Chullin Daf 140

All right, today's as we continue through per and now let's pick it up from the two dots in the middle. The Mishna told us about the birds that are not which one of the examples were. So we have mandard al-shus because they were named after king hordis who rashi says was the first to actually raise and domesticate these birds hardus al-shman which was some sort of a place where these birds came from of kahana and I once saw these birds shitzer dur pesa they were standing in 16 rows each row was the width of a millara kiri kiri they were calling out kitty kitty which means master master. So kiri kiri. One of those birds was not calling out kir kiri. So one bird said to the other one suma kiri kiri you suma which is a way of calling him an insult. You blind idiot say kiri kiri like the rest of us are saying. So omra she said back to her suma kiri biri you're the blind fool and you should rather say kiri biri which means my master and my slave. So, so the servants of King Hordes took that bird and she the whole slave thing for Heris was a bit of a sensitive subject of Ashihanina said to me that this whole story can't be true. It's just mil because the birds didn't speak. Is it really just called this milahana said this what meant to say is that said this was done with mil which is like the words of sorcery. Then the said and not bird from doing with it. So a bird is however kosher birds can be called it but is that so true? Let's find out. This is reference to making a pest. So what kind of birds are we talking about that you're making to even not birds? And is referring to like the winged grasshoppers which says no it's not true. is and is the is being mar than non-coosher birds and the grasshoppers. All right, let's try again says that all of these different creatures will be praising Hashem. So, and therefore you see once again that seeper is a reference to even non-coosher birds and likewise says same thing lighter is buter only means kosher birds. Let's try again to the puzzle seurf when the Torah is listing all the different species that came into the ta of nayak. So my love shouldn't we assume again that seeper is referring to both kosher and non-coosher birds and kaf is referring to grasshoppers like the way we answered before and that seeper is a reference to only kosher birds and the kaf is including not kosher birds and the grasshoppers try from this is saying that the nva will happen that in those end times by the animals will feast on the armies of go so my love which the says asked and answered Let's try this one. Moving over to Alfuraya that on its branches are living the birds of Shamayimaray are including even non-cooser birds. They're called but they're not regular birds. So you can't now define the word seepra to also include not kosher birds. All right to m try from this pussyra. You're allowed to eat any kosher bird. And the very fact we have to say to that's redundant if you're telling me by definition is tora which the says there are not kosher birds that it's coming to and my what's that referring to what's that so my love what is this that we're talking about if you're telling me it's a tra bird that's going to die on its own well because it says you're not allowed to eat a trait if you're telling me it's the bird it's already included it's written you wouldn't need to tell me a new is about the traus because we already know that the PK says maybe you want to suggest we're talking about a properly gashan bird of a mitz and really that's what the is coming to that cold seur you're allowed to eat but not that seeper of the mitzy mayka we already know that is from the end of that same pk or technically the next pk because the bis ism that these are the ones you're not allowed to eat so it's already included so why do I need to have the coldra sounding like there's something else is going to answer and for the It is coming to that. Why don't we set sign that the coer toyra that you're allowed to eat is coming to the traa the same idea that you have multiple sur don't just tell me you know it already clearly it's okay to have multiple sur everything this is an example of a dra that's only l to the same kind of an idea and what's the idea we're talking about here what's the Indian it's the so we're not going to talk about the traus and the veil we're going to talk about another and that'll be the of the mitzvah and you'll be love or love both the essay and the lace essay all right one last tshma So, what do you mean these that are alive? Maybe the is a reference that they can be alive in your mouth, meaning they're allowed to be in your mouth and they could be eaten because they're kosher. Must be there are some kind of sear that are not allowed to be eaten because they're not kosher. Oh, so now you have a seur that means a nakosher bird. Says no. That means it has all of its limbs. But you can't make the argument that a seer even refers to nakosher animals. But cyha that same puz says referring to these kosher pyramis you have tra birds that can't be used in the tahara of a mitz even if they're technically a kosher bird the mute of traa birds is already from the fact that they have to be alive and a traa is anaya so it must be that the fact it's kosher cannot become a traa well that'll depend though that it can't live what are you going to now say well the say woodwork but it's not going to live like we're saying what are you going to say it's not going to live you can't call it we can learn this even from the and not even need the talking to beim there are some of that are not there for kapara but they're just to allow the person to eat the kajim and actually go into the mdash and an example of such a den would be an of so by making them the same what the Bryce is doing is pling a traa bird from being used in the tower of the mitzy. So therefore the kash and the is not coming to be tra because we would learn it from the vishmo of the kash and the pusk is coming to be mayat the birds that are user from the tahar mitz so what are you talking about which one of the two birds that the mitzer brings would need now to have a mute to not use a bird from if you're saying it's the bird that you're supposed to send away which is what you do with the mitsra you send away one of these birds So the Tyra wouldn't want you to send away a bird that's which will now create a problem for other people because they'll unknowingly have from the bird that they catch. Allah must be that the mit is coming for the bird which you're planning on which is the other one of the two birds because people won't make a mistake and there and therefore there'll be no taka but yet still the Tyra is telling us over here that you're not allowed to use the stick of bird for this purpose. Leotees. You're not allowed to pair another bird to the live one of the mitzer before it was sent away. And then now use this new pair to be matire another mitzer. No, you're not allowed to do that. That's what the t's coming. So, which one of these second mitzer birds would be needing to have the mi to be m using the unscent bird from the previous mitz? That bird now is sent away because of the first mitz. So obviously you can't she that I have to send it away because I have the prior must be talking about the one you're sending away and that's what the coming from or a third of papa the is coming those birds that were of meaning they were swapped as payment for the purpose of it that they're going to become like it whatever you generate from that is going to be user like thear itself. So the kash and the pyram that you need to have is being those birds in the tower of mats that were so which one of the birds that the mats is using do we need to have this mi of because it's also and the final fourth ram once again back to our murderous bird that the is you're not allowed to use that kind of a bird that killed somebody for the tower of What's the case that Rava is talking about if it's already been so you got to bring it to Rashi says it's push that's not right for because you got to give it raising about where it's before there's a which one of the two birds are we talking about that we need to have this I got to bring it to so of course I'm not going to send it away because I have this existing that I got to take it to and that's why I need to have the mute okay the mission had Let's say you have a noter bird sitting on the eggs of a kosher bird or the other way around. If the kosher bird sitting on the eggs of a non-casher bird, you are from the because I don't have the kosher bird. But if your kosher bird is sitting on eggs of non-coosher species because I'm dealing with a kosher bird, why would the just because it's sitting on non-coosher eggs? Which answers of kahana? You got to take them for yourself. is only if those are take for yourself that you can eat them not that you can take it for your dogs because they're not kosher actually say this we're quoting on that if the mother bird is afra and how does the Bryson know that that was the place where the memor was head over of khana fractur the lakisha why don't we compare the traa mother bird to the ta chicks and say what just by making that heish alone should be enough of a reason to know you're going to be putter turning over if you're telling me that there's no mitzvah whenever the mother bird is going to be to eat then why do I even need a m to say the mother bird is not going to be if it's from a not kusher species so clearly that's not the rule that whenever there's going to be aur by the it's automatically aur for the mother as well. Now this is the Bryce that says that is not neg if the actual is if the mother of these are so clearly the Bryce is not learning as saying that you have to be able to eat the what the BA means is a non where the mother is a traa then you're still to do the let's say stick a hand into the nest underneath the mother of the what's the pretty wild case but what's going to be the do we say that if you would stop right now and leave things in their present mat without finishing the actual little are going to be and therefore and therefore from a since I can finish it as long as I do don't do any but I'm in the process over here I can complete the and make them to eat To which the says next, can I make a mother and the eggs and therefore do feathers and Rashes? So these are disconnected feathers. Can they be aim or what about nonfertilized eggs? Can that be a between the mother and her eggs? or two rows of eggs or would that be a case of a in all these cases we're gonna say a dove is on the eggs of a tussle which is a kasher bird that looks like a dove mahu tussle mahu so to that bring you from our Mishna or but it sounds like if both species are ker even though they're different. It sounds like you would be like because maybe the mash that you should make is that only by a kaira who has the tea to sit on these bait and that are not her own but other kinds of birds maybe would beam. Now let's get into so my time. Why is by the because he learns means to gather the says the zer will gather in its young and it did not and it did not produce more and it also says over there got to be a mother bird looking after its own. that over there the bird laid her eggs and hatched and gathered them in the shade. But what do you see over here? That we're putting the zer together with the natural mother bird because of that. And therefore this is why would even have to tell us this is the only talked about never even had a just to tell you the comes to tell you that's not true but a male bird any other kind of bird that's not a and then be everybody's going to ask me it's well why would have to say that it's posit so it's of course saying any other birds are going to be from Because comes and tells us not that way and we have a Bryce that supports us that is patron in this. All right, I think we're going to stop down by the Mishna. A little early and we will pick it up from here.