Chullin Daf 137

Okay, Zion and we're going to pick it up in the middle of the by the two dots that the Mishna said it's more by the matonis in the sense you have to give matonis even for one animal but you need to have several animals to shear to be but listen we should flip it around and say that is more because even if the animals a traa you have to give the wool mash matis you don't have to give the matonis if the animal's a traa the question is how do you know You look over here, Rashi. Rashi tells us a dra that doesn't exist in any gum. Rash says you're going to give it to the and not to their dogs. The has another that's not in the gar, but just it's accepted that that's fact. So why don't we say that there's an extra special by that even though it's a tram who holds that tra because the brace says shim. So my time in shiman and why would he say that because yol nina nina matanis he makes shava from nina to matanis that matrices but fract if you're willing to make such vina well then I should say the other way as we had on yesterday's datum just like you have a special ka that there's no truma in a nami which is kgishna Therefore, why does our mission say yesterday we said that according it's not but but our mission wasn't going like and we're talking about our mission here in a time you know who says that from is not because of the sha but rather the yell of meer it's a different shava from the words to messer and here we're talking about micer behema not micer messer behema the micer taloy just like by messer behema there is no of micerhema if it's a trafa Aza also it will not be giving the kay if the animals are tra how do you know that a traa is not meer as the puzz says whatever goes underneath that shove it that staff that's what you got to mark and give as messer behemoth can't go now after the first reading of that it's hard to understand is missing a body part that doesn't mean it can't necessarily go under the shvet so rashi actually says over here that you have a case in our lalo that kind of case where it's missing so much of its leg it can't go underneath the shvet so rashi seems to be saying just because it exists by one case it's going to be the everywhere which is a little bit hard to understand because what about all the cases that is not that way and the stipler the way he learns rashi is that rashi learns this is a sib not a siba it won't be the sa of the den and therefore it won't matter if you're going to show me an animal that will be able to be but this is going to be the sim to the status of this animal why don't we make of a different sign to akar hard to learn a fila if aar is born with traus obviously you can't bring it as a carbon but it's lisa still has so the same way operation say I guess a traa to which the says if you're going to make the shv it's more mistra may messer have a la why now we're going to stack up a whole bunch of similarities between messer and ragez and bkar and raz and we're going to see which one has more but it's going to be like seven against eight so you got to keep track over here because what are the different things in common between messer and razarim Because both bra z and mser applied to both zar and a cav as opposed to a bakar that's born has to be a zer has to be a male animal that's born to man that neither applies to a not kusher animal reubin they happen with many animals that you need five for z according to basil and you by definition need and you of course need 10 for micser as opposed to a bkar that doesn't require multiple animals both messer and raz is not kadeshim in fact by there's no kadusha at all neither one of messer or negate to a person whereas is posit both messer and razar neg to a posit meaning a nonarib and neither one of these mitzvah were given before kabalyra I'll show you more parallels from bkar to have because yasim that both mitzvah are going to apply to a ysum whereas messer has a special pure when the animal's mother dies by childbirth or is also by micerut or if the animal is given by a tana or biff or It's lifna depending on the mash and ties over here about the gears but neither of these mitzvah require the mdish to be around and cayen both are mus kahuna turning over bay mikdusha and neither one of these mitzvah require you to be mishakar doesn't need you to do anything it's kesh and raz doesn't need to be kish because it's never kesh as opposed to micer that you have to do something and both could be sold and there's eight similarities between as opposed to the seven that you mentioned between messer and squez which says still is going to rather learn a regular as opposed to aar is the nature of the animals more similar. So you'll have more numbers of similarities but the the the quality is more important than the quantity over here and so we're gonna learn outrage from okay then the said it's only two sheep so how do you know this because goats also are part of a flock so why can't it be goats why who says it's just the word says and it says So just like by was talking about sheep now it's kind of amazing that we're going to make from but Tyson says it's really not just a and is going to be broader than just one kind of animaliz how do you know that we're going to mix and match the different by each kind of So in the same way that the Giza is going to be by the means the Giza shearing is applying to the to these shearings of oxen should also be to which the answers to give it to him that means he got to give it to the coin that he can make clothing out of it not some sort of sack. You can't make proper clothing from ox hair. So then the goat's hair which is actually translated as the feathers of the goat. It is possible to make clothing from there. So that should be based on what we're saying for the giza. No, you don't have a shearing process. You're plucking it out. That's not called Giza and therefore you'll be put there from even though you could make clothing out of it. So man who says this kind of an idea that you need to understand the shearing literally and therefore if you pluck out the hair it won't work as part of the mitzvah that is who we're going to see shortly takes it very seriously about the nature of how you do that shearing or plucking. But but even himself will be masked that if this is the normal way to extract whatever you're doing then that will count and we'll see soon more about the but won't work. So the gar says now the reason why we're being the nights of the from is because what levy said because the say it has to be something that to make into the big day kahuna that's roy and that's going to be only the wool but not this kind of theim so if you tell me it has to be roy what am I learning from this if you have hard wool of the sheep. So it has to have a certain nature for it to be one Bryce says you shear goats and you or you wash sheep your from the mitzvah because the wool that comes off when you're washing it is not considered being short and therefore it's going to be put in another says because the nature of the wool is still wool doesn't matter how it came off. Soon now we get into this because there's another brace that says in a totally different context by when these pieces that fall down when you're harvesting you have to leave them there. That's le but it depends how it came off. It's got to be in the process of being but not if you're plucking it that is very particular that those pieces of le are only going to be called leet if they came as a result of a kira meaning you're using a tool you're cutting with a sickle or whatever it is. So the garban so is not saying anything different than what the tanakama says in the beginning over here that it has to be to which the cooler the whole price is a leak. So according to it's because it has to happen a certain process that's why it's only going to be le if it came as a result of a but this is so about how things have to happen and in the same way in our context it has to be and not just came out through washing but it depends if it's because the B says that you have to reap and this is talking about in the context of paya that you only know that you're going to leave pa when there was a that you did that process but say if you rip out everything with your hands and you didn't do a kat there wouldn't be a pa but limer the terra therefore says and the extra telling me that there's also going to be of even if you uprooted the stuff without a kira butish how do you know that even if you just do a that you're still that's another additional word but you see there according to if it's if that's the normal way to do it is that that will fulfill the raashi We even see this bear in a Mishna because the Mishna says in the third paragraph that let's say you have these rows of onions that are planted between all the and the question is how do you define the fields over here you got to take a pay from every row because they're all considered separate now you don't do a with onions onions you pick out you pluck them but still says that for so clearly holds that as long as it's or it's considered to be a kim of How many the mission had said do you need said two and B had said fiveish I understand according a flock is defined by two so therefore anything more than two is going to be what according to bas is a reason to anything less than five that says that flock is defined by two is two of us an expression of which we dash That tells us that that which was five makes not one mitzvah but two mitzvah. Therefore less than five will only be one of these two mitzvah only be the matis alone and not the well for the mat. Who says that the two are matan? Maybe it's matanus and is one single animal and so when the five animals it's got to be and according to your you wouldn't have mat by one animal of course you would. So you can't tell me that it takes five animals to be in these two mitzvah. So the word we to mean five because they are of the owner of they tell the owner to go ahead and do that mitzvah of that's how we know it's going to be five we learned in a you need four sheep to be we have a bryce that says even if the words were in the of the bib and the words of berei which is here a reference to Riy who was considered such and his words were being kaba meaning in the non bib we would still go with and since were only in the kabal to begin with bibra meanwhile ribi was bringing from and therefore that's why we're going to go with over besame important rashi over here about the difference between d kabala and dra tyra defining them and make sure to Take a look. The third cannot make a between the other two unless it really deals with what they're talking about. Moving over to that like not because was somehow but because he said his based on a because of his own that's why is carrying all this weight not because of any kind of between hill. Then the said that how much wool is to in the midst of so he said but the said now the ask how much is so it's a and a half of wool altogether meaning each one of the five sheep is going to yield enough wool that's going to equal the 7.5 to add collectively to the 37.5 which is a and a halfimer it's shishim it's 60 altogether together as opposed to 37 and a half the bum gives one cell worth of wool as racial I guess to the six of wool is the cochain that we're talking about the bum gives five to the k and keeps one for himself any amount is literal that means that means if even all the wool together only weighs one cell it's going to be inz so you got these four different what is the sh for tonight we learned in our mishna The nice and light how much do you actually have to give to the slime the weight of five which is shesser those are going to work out it'll be said like our mishna had it and rav didn't talk about it at all and he only talked about the amount of wool that's going to be but inami the amount you actually give you don't see that he argues however who seemed to give specific amounts the says you give one cell and rebel says any amount mamish literally it's ketish it's kosha soamar according to the way you're understanding this Mishna does work well with that I guess is one of 60 that's how much you're supposed to give soar so the mission is saying something else because it's saying we're talking about who had many different sheep like a ton of sheep and he wants to give to many and the mission is telling us what do we tell this you want to give lots of razar Every kind shouldn't receive less than of that's a unique case that the mission was talking about not a standardized shar for every kind to always have to get that is the is one part in 60 and truma is also bishim and pa is bishima is the the for truma is 140th dice and That's not true. The minimum amount that you're okay fine just like says and dabona and the raon came along and made for that kind of forum which according to Rashi as Rashi says all over is vitzer can get the raom this is all the pis but whatever is going to be But the for only will be said that pay should be 160th. That's the shear. We have a famous Mishna that kicks off that says so there is no what is Ravish telling us we see it in the Mishna the second you can't have less than 160th. So what is this rabish even telling us? Which answers the ina is talking about init. And we're going to stop here by Kis Barhini and Masham finish this perk next