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Chullin Daf 137
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Okay,
Zion
and we're going to pick it up in the
middle of the by the two dots that the
Mishna said
it's more by the matonis in the sense
you have to give matonis even for one
animal but you need to have several
animals to shear to be
but listen we should flip it around and
say that is more
because even if the animals a traa you
have to give the wool mash matis you
don't have to give the matonis if the
animal's a traa the question is how do
you know You look over here, Rashi.
Rashi tells us a dra that doesn't exist
in any gum. Rash says
you're going to give it to the and not
to their dogs. The has another
that's not in the gar, but just it's
accepted that that's fact. So why don't
we say that there's an extra special by
that even though it's a tram
who holds that tra
because the brace says shim.
So my time in shiman and why would he
say that because yol nina nina matanis
he makes shava from nina to matanis that
matrices
but fract if you're willing to make such
vina
well then I should say the other way
as we had on yesterday's datum
just like you have a special ka that
there's no truma in a nami
which is kgishna
Therefore, why does our mission say
yesterday we said that according it's
not but but our mission wasn't going
like and we're talking about our mission
here in a time you know who says that
from is not because of the sha but
rather the yell of meer it's a different
shava from the words to messer and here
we're talking about micer behema not
micer messer behema the micer taloy just
like by messer behema there is no of
micerhema if it's a trafa Aza
also it will not be giving the kay if
the animals are tra how do you know that
a traa is not meer as the puzz says
whatever goes underneath that shove it
that staff that's what you got to mark
and give as messer behemoth
can't go now after the first reading of
that it's hard to understand is missing
a body part that doesn't mean it can't
necessarily go under the shvet so rashi
actually says over here that you have a
case
in our lalo that kind of case where it's
missing so much of its leg it can't go
underneath the shvet so rashi seems to
be saying just because it exists by one
case it's going to be the everywhere
which is a little bit hard to understand
because what about all the cases that is
not that way and the stipler the way he
learns rashi is that rashi learns this
is a sib not a siba it won't be the sa
of the den and therefore it won't matter
if you're going to show me an animal
that will be able to be but this is
going to be the sim to the status of
this animal
why don't we make of a different sign to
akar hard to learn a fila if aar is born
with traus obviously you can't bring it
as a carbon but it's lisa still has so
the same way operation say I guess a
traa to which the says if you're going
to make the shv it's more mistra may
messer have a la why now we're going to
stack up a whole bunch of similarities
between messer and ragez and bkar and
raz and we're going to see which one has
more but it's going to be like seven
against eight so you got to keep track
over here because what are the different
things in common between messer and
razarim
Because both bra z and mser applied to
both zar and a cav as opposed to a bakar
that's born has to be a zer has to be a
male animal that's born to man that
neither applies to a not kusher animal
reubin they happen with many animals
that you need five for z according to
basil and you by definition need and you
of course need 10 for micser as opposed
to a bkar that doesn't require multiple
animals both messer and raz is not
kadeshim in fact by there's no kadusha
at all neither one of messer or negate
to a person whereas is posit both messer
and razar neg to a posit meaning a
nonarib
and neither one of these mitzvah were
given before kabalyra
I'll show you more parallels from bkar
to have because yasim that both mitzvah
are going to apply to a ysum whereas
messer has a special pure when the
animal's mother dies by childbirth or is
also by micerut or if the animal is
given by a tana or biff or It's lifna
depending on the mash and ties over here
about the gears but neither of these
mitzvah require the mdish to be around
and cayen both are mus kahuna turning
over bay mikdusha and neither one of
these mitzvah require you to be mishakar
doesn't need you to do anything it's
kesh and raz doesn't need to be kish
because it's never kesh as opposed to
micer that you have to do something and
both could be sold
and there's eight similarities between
as opposed to the seven that you
mentioned between messer and squez which
says still is going to rather learn
a regular as opposed to aar is the
nature of the animals more similar. So
you'll have more numbers of similarities
but the the the quality is more
important than the quantity over here
and so we're gonna learn outrage from
okay then the said
it's only two sheep so how do you know
this because goats also are part of a
flock so why can't it be goats why who
says it's just
the word
says
and it says
So just like by was talking about sheep
now it's kind of amazing that we're
going to make from
but Tyson says it's really not just a
and is going to be broader than just one
kind of animaliz
how do you know that we're going to mix
and match the different by each kind of
So in the same way that the Giza is
going to be by the means the Giza
shearing is applying to the to these
shearings of oxen should also be to
which the answers
to give it to him
that means he got to give it to the coin
that he can make clothing out of it not
some sort of sack. You can't make proper
clothing from ox hair. So then
the goat's hair which is actually
translated as the feathers of the goat.
It is possible to make clothing from
there. So that should be based on what
we're saying for the giza. No, you don't
have a shearing process. You're plucking
it out. That's not called Giza and
therefore you'll be put there from even
though you could make clothing out of
it. So man
who says this kind of an idea that you
need to understand the shearing
literally and therefore if you pluck out
the hair it won't work as part of the
mitzvah that is who we're going to see
shortly takes it very seriously about
the nature of how you do that shearing
or plucking. But
but even himself will be masked that if
this is the normal way to extract
whatever you're doing then that will
count and we'll see soon more about the
but won't work. So the gar says now
the reason why we're being the nights of
the from is because what levy said
because the say
it has to be something that to make into
the big day kahuna that's roy and that's
going to be only the wool but not this
kind of theim so
if you tell me it has to be roy
what am I learning from this
if you have hard wool of the sheep.
So it has to have a certain nature for
it to be
one Bryce says
you shear goats
and you or you wash sheep your from the
mitzvah because the wool that comes off
when you're washing it is not considered
being short and therefore it's going to
be put in another says
because the nature of the wool is still
wool doesn't matter how it came off.
Soon
now we get into this because there's
another brace that says in a totally
different context by when these pieces
that fall down when you're harvesting
you have to leave them there. That's le
but it depends how it came off. It's got
to be in the process of being
but not if you're plucking it
that is very particular that those
pieces of le are only going to be called
leet if they came as a result of a kira
meaning you're using a tool you're
cutting with a sickle or whatever it is.
So the garban
so is not saying anything different than
what the tanakama says in the beginning
over here that it has to be to which the
cooler the whole price is
a leak.
So according to it's because it has to
happen a certain process that's why it's
only going to be le if it came as a
result of a
but this is so about how things have to
happen and in the same way in our
context it has to be and not just came
out through washing but it depends if
it's
because the B says that you have to reap
and this is talking about in the context
of paya that you only know that you're
going to leave pa when there was a that
you did that process but say if you rip
out everything with your hands and you
didn't do a kat there wouldn't be a pa
but limer the terra therefore says and
the extra telling me that there's also
going to be of even if you uprooted the
stuff without a kira butish how do you
know that even if you just do a that
you're still
that's another additional word but you
see there according to if it's if that's
the normal way to do it is that that
will fulfill the
raashi
We even see this bear in a Mishna
because the Mishna says in the third
paragraph that
let's say you have these rows of onions
that are planted between all the and the
question is how do you define the fields
over here
you got to take a pay from every row
because they're all considered separate
now you don't do a with onions onions
you pick out you pluck them but still
says that for so clearly holds that as
long as it's or it's considered to be a
kim of
How many the mission had said do you
need
said two and B had said fiveish
I understand according
a flock is defined by two so therefore
anything more than two is going to be
what according to bas is a reason to
anything less than five
that says that flock is defined by two
is two of
us an expression of which we dash
That tells us that that which was five
makes not one mitzvah but two mitzvah.
Therefore less than five will only be
one of these two mitzvah only be the
matis alone and not the well for the
mat. Who says that the two are matan?
Maybe it's matanus and
is one single animal and so when the
five animals it's got to be
and according to your
you wouldn't have mat by one animal of
course you would. So you can't tell me
that it takes five animals to be in
these two mitzvah. So
the word we to mean five
because they are of the owner of they
tell the owner to go ahead and do that
mitzvah of that's how we know it's going
to be five we learned in a
you need four sheep to be
we have a bryce that says
even if the words were in the of the bib
and the words of berei which is here a
reference to Riy who was considered such
and his words were being kaba meaning in
the non bib we would still go with
and
since were only in the kabal to begin
with bibra meanwhile ribi was bringing
from and therefore that's why we're
going to go with over besame important
rashi over here about the difference
between d kabala and dra tyra defining
them and make sure to Take a look.
The third cannot make a between the
other two unless it really deals with
what they're talking about. Moving over
to
that like not because was somehow but
because he said his based on a because
of his own
that's why
is carrying all this weight not because
of any kind of between hill. Then the
said that how much wool is to in the
midst of so he said but the said now the
ask how much is so
it's a and a half of wool altogether
meaning each one of the five sheep is
going to yield enough wool that's going
to equal the 7.5 to add collectively to
the 37.5 which is a and a halfimer it's
shishim it's 60 altogether together as
opposed to 37 and a half
the bum gives one cell worth of wool as
racial I guess to the
six of wool is the cochain that we're
talking about
the bum gives five to the k and keeps
one for himself
any amount is literal that means that
means if even all the wool together only
weighs one cell it's going to be inz so
you got these four different what is the
sh for tonight we learned in our mishna
The nice and light how much do you
actually have to give to the
slime the weight of five which is
shesser
those are going to work out it'll be
said like our mishna had it and rav
didn't talk about it at all and he only
talked about the amount of wool that's
going to be but inami the amount you
actually give you don't see that he
argues however
who seemed to give specific amounts the
says you give one cell and rebel says
any amount mamish literally it's ketish
it's kosha soamar
according to the way you're
understanding this Mishna does work well
with
that I guess is one of 60 that's how
much you're supposed to give soar
so the mission is saying something else
because it's saying
we're talking about who had many
different sheep like a ton of sheep
and he wants to give to many
and the mission is telling us what do we
tell this you want to give lots of razar
Every kind shouldn't receive less than
of that's a unique case that the mission
was talking about not a standardized
shar for every kind to always have to
get
that is the is one part in 60 and truma
is also bishim and pa is bishima
is
the the for truma is 140th dice and
That's not true.
The minimum amount that you're
okay fine
just like says and dabona and the raon
came along and made
for that kind of
forum which according to Rashi as Rashi
says all over is vitzer can get the raom
this is all the pis but whatever is
going to be
But the
for only
will be
said that pay should be 160th. That's
the shear. We have a famous Mishna that
kicks off that says
so there is no
what is Ravish telling us we see it in
the Mishna the second
you can't have less than 160th.
So what is this rabish even telling us?
Which answers
the ina is talking about init.
And we're going to stop here by Kis
Barhini and Masham finish this perk next