Chullin Daf 117

All right, Duff Koff Zion. Tuesday's Duff as we get to finish the eighth perek, but first let's pick it up on the third wide line on Koff Zion and base. Omar bar Yochana, mamiden bekevas nevelois. You can be mamid the cheese meaning that the process of making the cheese that mixes with the rennet enzyme that's inside of the kevas nevelois even though obviously a nevelah is also to eat, but we look at this as like an independent separate entity. But the ain mamiden bekevas shritas avodah the goes ahead and shechts an animal which you obviously also can't eat. That will be a problem to make your cheese inside of that kevas shritas avodah and of course the question is what's the difference? Why isn't a nevelah any better? Omar bar Yochana keman who's going like it's Eliezer de Omar stam machsheves avodah avodah it is worse because when a kills an animal he's doing it avodah which has an to which Omar says back Omar velakeman like who else like totally Eliezer. But ki bar mamiden bekevas nevelah bekevas shritas avodah they're going to have the same halacha that you can do it and you can be mamid your cheese in there. Why should we be Eliezer? We're not for Omar that the doing avodah. The ain mamiden bekevas nevelah you can't be mamid inside the actual the of the nevelah avo mamiden bekevas nevelah but you could do it with the rennet that's found inside the stomach cuz that rennet is not considered part of the animal. Because we're going like Omar bar we're not for Eliezer and we'll read the gears of the way we have it here with a kevas shera yunkam in treifah that rennet that comes from a kosher animal that was from a treifah of a kosher treifah and where that rennet actually came from and my time is because that that milk that's inside of that keva is almohu it's just considered which is like waste but the idea is it's not considered anymore. It's a different product and therefore the rennet that's found inside the kevas gedi that was Yonic a treifah is going to be motor because it's looked at as just this fairish. That is that Zuck the last mission in the park. Khmer be Halal me be dumb. There's a Khmer of Halal meaning that also kind of fat over dumb even though they're both us are and likewise the Khmer be dumb and be Halal. Khmer be Halal what's the Khmer of Halal over dumb show Halal moving over dumb and olive my own by there isn't is from a yellow for being Nana with Halal. You got to bring your sham yellows and you got to pay for the Halal plus the extra Khmer fish but that's only by Halal. pickled nicer for Tommy even though there's typically in this you will still have these machine came be dumb as opposed to the dumb of cod gym that if you're Nana from the dumb of cod gym of course it's us are but you're not for the me yellow. The Khmer be dumb on the other hand there's a Khmer be dumb over Halal show dumb like be a man kind of life being with the main being with the time all these different kinds of animals are all having a sort of dumb. The Halal of in a night yellow be a man to hire a bull vat just kosher be a man's not even highest or highest face. Okay but this is the mission that says that you have me yellow for Halal of cod gym me Nana me yellow. How do you know that there is going to be the system me yellow by Halal of cod gym and the way the more is asking the questions how do you know even by cod gym column there's going to be me yellow because cod gym column are moment by them and in fact there is no is from me yellow during the lifetime of the animal but from the fact that our mission is not my Halal it seems that there is an is are of me yellow even by the cod gym column. So what's the marker on my rabbit yellow night to a marker the passage says by the park line gold will catch here you run me show a show a man. Now we can all the one of me show me out there. What's the new thing that we're learning here about this carbon show a man of the kind gold is bringing that we didn't already know. How is a ball of a llama even into llama. Since we're not learning anything new to eat it must be coming as a source to teach something else that Marcus show a man of a show a man of the park line Messiah that my park line Messiah is for me yellow because that's cod gym cod gym of show a man of a show a a man of a llama even be me yellow even by is a llama which is cod gym column and there was no is from me yellow while it was still alive but once it's good show a man it's a more of a cetera are going to be kind of me yellow after this week is a dumb is done. Right the tomorrow I'm early be honey now cool is a good Rebbe? Do you have such a big problem with what Rebbe already taught us? That the Bryce says call Kayla of LaHashem which we Darshan LaRabba say more Kachim Kalam LaMila. So we already had a mocker. Call Kayla of tells us this. That there isn't Isram Ela because they're all BeChlav of Kodesh Hashem. So Amara Bayana Itstrik I need both Drashas. Because of Rachmana Kayla of which Rebbe tells us have a mean of Kayla of in but Yisrael should take a loyalist. Lie. Those other parts of the animal are not going to be hive me Ela because the Pasuk wasn't talking about Yisrael and the Shita Kalaist. And therefore Kodesh of Rachmana Kasha Yoram. Our Drasha that we started off with. The Yikas of Rachmana Kasha Yoram our have a mean of Kayla of Al LaLisa Bashar. There is no Kayla of Aliya in the Shur that the Pasuk was talking about and therefore lie you might not think that there'd be me Ela there. So Kodesh of Rachmana call Kayla of. So basically we need both Drashas to cover all our bases the different parts of the Kachim Kalam. Frightening Amara Amara of Marila Rosvid Ela I agree Kayla of if you're telling me that the Aliya which is the tail is Taka BeChlav the word Kayla of so Titzra Achila because Kayla of Taka Assur but we don't find that the Aliya is considered Assur. So Amara Lays Dr. Rosvid back to Amara Alecha Maracha call Kayla of Shar Deches of Voiz. That we Darshan Dover Hashav Bashar Deches of Voiz that the Kayla of Israel will only be on the kind of Kayla of which is across the board all these different animals. LaAfuke the Kayla of Aliya which is exclusive to that sheep. So even though Kayla of Aliya is BeChlav the word Kayla of it's still going to be much to eat. Rav Ashi Amara different mocker. The Kayla of Aliya Ikroy but Kayla of Stama Lo Ikroy. You're only going to call it Kayla of Aliya but you're not going to say it's Stama the regular Assur Kayla of. So then Frightening Amara the other way. Ela Meata Lo Yuma Lo Boda then there shouldn't even be me Ela because the Torah only Assured the regular kind of Kayla of not the Kayla of Aliya. Ela Mach Varta Kidor Rosvid you're right. Let's go back to what Rosvid had said that only a Dover Hashav Shar Deches of Voiz is going to be Assur. Then the Mishna said Masha Ain Cain BeDam that Dam of Kachim is not Shaik to me Ela Pigel Naisar Tamei. So we don't even need it. So Amara Ula you know how I know that Dam Kachim is not Shaik to me Ela because Dam of Kora Lo Chem. That the Dam gives you Kapara Shalo Chem Yihay. That it's considered yours. It's Lo Chem meaning it's not Hashem's that would be Shaik to me Ela but rather it's locham. The very Bishmole Tana, lachaper that Hashem has given it for kapara. Lachaper anasativ veloi lemeela. A third mocker, Rebbe Yechana Amar, omer kra hu. Because the pasuk says ki hadam hu banefesh yechaper. So hu implies it is as it was. So hu lifnei kapara kela achar kapara. Mala achar kapara ein bimeela? Once the kapara is actually done with the dam, it's not shaikh to me Ela. Af lifnei kapara ein bimeela. And we'll see soon in the Gemara about how after the mitzvah is done, it's no longer shaikh to me Ela. Ofer the Gemara ve'eema, maybe it should be the other way around. Hu la'achar kapara kilifnei kapara. That malifnei kapara yesh bimeela, af la'achar kapara yesh bimeela. Who says we're going to go lekula? Maybe we should go lechumra. And for the Gemara, ein loch davar shenaseh mitzvaso uma'alam by now. Because we never find that once you do the mitzvah, it's still going to be shaikh to me Ela. So you can't learn it that way lechumra. It's got to be more lekula. Aiv aloi, I can't show you a case of where the mitzvah has been done, it's still shaikh to me Ela. Vaharai trumas hadeshen, that first avodah that's done every morning where the kohen would go up to the mizbeach, take the ashes from yesterday's korbanos, and then he would put it on the east side of the mizbeach where all the pinasa would be absorbed into the ground. That avodah is nases mitzvasai, and there is meela deshiv disamai etzel hamizbeach. And then the samai implies has to permanently be there. And you can't be naneh from it afterwards. So why don't we say the same halacha as by the dam? And for the Gemara, mishum dehavei trumas hadeshen ubegdei kehuna. I'll show you there are two things that stay ossur, which is the trumas hadeshen and the begdei kehuna. And the begdei kehuna is referring to specifically the additional four begadim that the kohen gadol would wear on Yom Kippur, that they also stay ossur. And those are shnayim tzitzim ubain keyachin. Kol shnayim tzitzim ubain keyachin eim lamdin since there are two exceptions, therefore you don't have a model for the rest of kol haTorah kula. Vahanicham sham lamdin shitu miginiza. That only works well like she says Rabbonan that say that beinicham sham is referring to the begdei kohen gadol that they have to always be nignaz because they stay ossur. Ela Rebbe Deiset to omer, shelo yishtamesh bohen leYom Kippur acher. That we don't learn that in issurei meela, but rather that the kohen gadol can't use them on a different Yom Kippur, but they're mutar for the rest of the year. May ikal le'eimar, what are you going to say according to Rebbe Deiset? Doesn't seem to be shnayim tzitzim ubain keyachin anymore. Ela the Gemara is going to say you're right. We can't be matter that dumb after the avoid is done because we should have a true succession of a girl or a roof there's those are the two exceptions and therefore there will be snake swimming in the whole snake swimming in the animal okay fine so we'll use the true succession of a girl or a roof as the two exceptions but honey in Milan then I'll mother my love and Michael the mayor cuz that is after all a Michael and for the Gamora Trey turning over to me base may you take CV there are two before you tell me to me in the tire regarding true succession of a girl or a roof or exit this summer as we said by true succession it says before then it's going to be a sir and awesome which is the additional hey that seems extra we dashing to say that it's going to remain a sir so you have the tire basically telling you before saying it's tough going these two different of true succession of a girl or a roof that they'll be an issue to use them after it's not but by the dumb there will be no after this week is a dumb in the and it will become motor for a thing of war acquire a llama little bit dumb the mice that comes out from these different Macarius that we had on that there are three different Macarius to me my Adam and seems we need to have brushes to use all these different mutant that there's no issue so the choir is going to be mean nicer that in a case of dumb nicer you're going to be for the issue of dumb but not for the nicer but maybe as we said and that if he ate this dumb culture when he was told me he's only going to be for the dumb but not for the issue of eating culture when he's told me but people but if you eat the dumb of people it's all because as we've said many times in this book did that call she ate being a little bit scared I have a love mission people you can only be high of people when it is something that is mattered but I'm going to matter and the dumb itself is the matter cuz you do this week of with the dumb it's matter the boss of culture but nothing else is matter it and therefore is never issue of people and dumb so we don't even need a possible be in my head and there you go how do I love culture boss and now we begin the ninth pair of the sector one the mirror actually this is the 11th pair of but our Gamora's have this as the ninth pair of all about to my entire yay so I can mission the The of the animal the ha'oreidate, and the liquid that comes out of the animal, the ha'akipa, and the spices that were used in the process of preparing the meat that are now at the bottom of the pot, the ha'elal, which are the little pieces of meat that remain attached to the hide of the animal after you skin it, the atzamos, the bones, the gidim, the karnayim, and the horns, the tzalafayim, and the hooves. All of these things are mitztaref l'tamei tumas ochlin. They can be mitztaref with the basar for tumas ochlin. So, you can actually add these things together to make the shear avlei tumas nevelas. But, these things are actually not the nevelah themselves, and therefore they won't be mitztaref to comprise a kazayis needed for tumas nevelas. Now, the issue in this list is what's the halacha by a shomer. A shomer is that which is protecting what's inside. Like a shomer pri is the peel of a fruit. So, each one of these things may have a din shomer for what's inside. Like the hooves could be a shomer of the basar that's in a foot. And that's what the Gemara will be talking about this halacha of a shomer. Ki atzei boi another halacha. Ha'shocheit beheima t'meiah l'keichavim. Let's say a Jew [clears throat] is hired to slaughter a goy's animal. Now, the halacha is for Yidden, once you do shechita, it's considered dead. There's no more eiver min ha'chai. It's not that way for a If the animal's still thrashing about after you do a shechita, it's still considered alive klappei a So, zok the Mishnah, u'mei'farcheses, if this animal that the Yid shochted for the is still thrashing about, it's going to be mitamei tumas ochlin avlei tumas nevelas. It's not considered a nevelah yet ad she'tamei until it's really dead, o ad she'yatzas es rosho, or until it gets decapitated. We'll talk more about that in the Gemara. Ribah l'tamei tumas ochlin min mashah ribah l'tamei tumas nevelas. The Torah gave us more vehicles to be mitamei tumas ochlin than tumas nevelas because as the Mishnah listed, these things are considered foods, and therefore they're going to be conveying a tumas ochlin, but they're not considered a nevelah even though it's about to become a dead carcass. Bar bei Yehudah eimer, ha'elal m'chunas, those shreds of meat that are attached to the hide when you're flaying the animal that were gathered together im yash b'chazayis b'makom echad, chayav alav, there will be a tumah, and therefore potentially, if he goes into the Beis Hamikdash or eats kodshim, he'll be chayav kareis. Zok the Gemara. The chilluk that our Mishnah initially makes between tumas ochlin and tumas nevelas. So, tanina l'cholah d'tanah Rabbanan, shomrim l'tumah kalah, there is a halacha of shomrim klappei tumah for Shimon the tumor camera so I wish you tell me there's a lot of the Shimon and what it's protecting coffee to my number not for the size of Thomas and now we need a marker Shimon the tumor camera mean Allen how do you know there's a lot of Shimon that there's a by Thomas the tunnel of the Shimon I'll call Zara the lower I share you so rare that when the falls on the seed it will stay tar and because this is of course the marker for the cobble tumor and we could automate scenes in the way the people plant seeds which is he to be sorry the big person seeds are planted with their husks and their shells on that even though those shells are not themselves you don't eat them they're not edible and they just protect the food that's inside but you learn from this that a Shimon is Mr F with the food that it's protecting club Thomas because that's the context of the prices stops on the big that we know from the famous that at the very end of the that in the same way that is planted a rumor without any clothing so to a human body is buried without any clothing but Mason is going to come out with lotion so why is saying that you're bearing a with its connected to the services it might just mean an that people are not to take off the shells and the husks actually that way in Russia is gross points out the chain is Russia is Russian but anyway we're still dealing with the carrots of the prices but we're going to stop here and pick it up from Shimon for tomorrow's stuff