Chullin Daf 109

All right tests Monday's daf and we've been talking about coupled with and we had touched on whether or not means whether or not that is when it's pilate can expel from the source is and therefore now make that so we're going to pick it up on 13 lines from the bottom that idea of whether or not the iser can actually leave and now be that original that's going to be that's the Let's see. Have a little drop of milk falls on a piece of meat. Once that little drop of milk is into the right and therefore because now it itself goes ahead and makes all the other also because of the whole thing. That's you have to have enough [snorts] to be nice into all the different products of the meat. And if there's only enough Tom to give Tam into that particular but not the rest of what's in that whole pot, even that will become MT because the Tam that goes into that now gets this battle amongst all the other things in the pot. So that's near as long as you didn't cover or stir the pot. But to the when you did stir or cover that pot because the near and the kisa that action causes there to be more of dispersement of the tam. So that's the bryson. Now we break this down. My valisa. What did Remy mean when he said there is going to be near when you were not near aisa? nearly you didn't do anything. So, so the that the fell on has now absorbed that but it wasn't pilot into any other. So there's no reason to answer the other as said. So of course it had to have been somehow mixed or connected with the other you must say that when Rebi said you didn't do the near and the was in the beginning before that got the you had to have been near at the end after that has now gotten the and similarly but the question is why is that whole pot going to be according to am I absorbed but then it spit it out so must be you have to learned that what Rebi is saying is that when it's even if it's for that to be pilot out of the original stays and we don't say but rather is that's where we get to see on that side of the now moving over to now this that Rebi says that near where you were not near and you not and we're only understanding that to be in the beginning or it's going to be because Rebi was limiting to be here in different only when you didn't do it in the beginning but my fractal that first never was the since it was already near from the beginning and it was immediately dispersed and therefore it was already right away to which the answers is going to say it's going to be because you didn't quite disperse that time of the right away through a proper near and a proper but anyway the point for us is that we've established the Now we got to show the other side of the coin that was near to everything when it was near. So my near you only did at the end and you only did the covering at the end. But near we already said that he was masking to in that case where he didn't cover it in the beginning and he didn't mix in the beginning because it's already must be near the whole time it was already near and it was covered and that's what it'll be near that would imply that is only in that case but themselves hold that it was only near and not near and that's when it's going to be mut if you're telling me it's going to Even though that near was only must be you're going to say because even that original once the tom was pilate from it. So you have a now for who says that's actually maybe the idea of everybody's mask it's going to stay but what's the between it's a different issue whether or not you about the whole idea of and the whole issue is about that original whether or not when it's if it is going to become because But the doesn't like that cuz it would be fine and all would be right in the world if in this would at least hold and they're arguing as we want to suggest about therefore that's when would pick and choose when he likes and when he likes but if you want to say that really everybody's mask the piece of meat can never become again and is simply and that's what are arguing about it should have said I'm asking here I'm not masking there it wouldn't say I'm it has to be that reb saying I agree with and I disagree with on this front and likewise the opposite in the other way and the gar is very confident that this has to be the issue about whether or not it's actually not about the just based on the way rebby was speaking about and the Mishna the udder of a cow which has the unique property of being both meat and containing in it milk the is before milk comes out of a cow it doesn't have the property of being but there's a process to how you're supposed to actually prepare the you tear it open you take out the milk that's inside if you don't tear it open but rather you just cook it the way it is you're not going to be ivor meaning you're not going to get malus for buster because there's no isserv on milk that never came out of its mother. Now similarly let's say you have a heart which of course there the problem is going to be about the blood. Now even though malika will typically always take care of blood but not blood that is pulled together and therefore might as you got to tear it open and take out the dam but like if you don't tear it open and just you cook it the way it is you're not going to have a problem of bas because as Rashi speaks out based on the gam increases on we're talking about the lathe of a bird which is very small you don't have a kazayas to give you an actual is curis but if a person ate a heart of let's say a cow or a sheep which was not ko before cooking you'd get curries because inside that There's going to be a kazayas of dam. All right, turning over to BGR. Our mission had this expression of when we say that's not like you're not. No, it's not even it's we learned in the which sounds that there should be and that the milk inside of the is still going to be which the says no. There isn't even an how do you explain this of it's the heart has to be torn and that if you don't tear open the there won't be so there there will be an iss of the safe and now why by the safe are you even though you're not going to get the because of the You're not allowed to have even a of the dam but by the milk inside the inside the other it's hast milk it's still inside the animal it's not like blood which has a den of blood even inside the animal. So again is saying that there isn't even an if you cook this with the inside of it let's say the following is going to be a riot to this sheet of because you tear it open you take out the milk if you don't tear it open and if you didn't tear it open and you tear it open after it's cooked which Rashi later is going to explain that means it's roasted it'll be mut but the but the mashmo isa we only need to have the ka after it's cooking or roasting if it was never opened beforehand but it only says it about the boy because by the we're saying it's mut hasn't come out of the so from this maybe all the means is that you only need to do ka for the le because of the nature of the way the lathe is that's very smooth and it's not absorbent all you have to do is tear it open and it comes out and that's the point of the bryce But the point of the price is that it's not enough to do only ka by the because the ka won't be effective by the kal because now that you've done this bish with the kal the ka won't be enough because it's now been absorbed into the buser of the kal but that's not the case by the la and that could be the point of the bry. So that's all lion number one of that it's mut to have the that's inside the but a whole another lotion that there will be of eating the of this animal even if it never came out of the and let's say our mission is because but sounds like from the to which the no I'll tell you really there isn't any you don't have a riot from a love. We're doing it of the where it talks about the lay of the heart. Soon you know really you don't have a from to say like this second that it's all try to bring a riot from you tear it open take out the however this is the same rice we said beforehand you now have to do the ka after it's cooked which we're touching as roasted and then it becomes mut but it sounds And it's right away as it is because as we said there's a between the nature of a and a how smooth it is and how absorbent the boser is let's bring a ria from aa like the first lotion of ravish mutal is mut if the was roasted with its own milk it's going to be muta that's the fourth stomach of the animal is also because it's left the and now that has a and the breaks it down but what do you see from the that in the mish mut which supports the first lotion of now frankar when we talk about this ka how do you do it if you do it horizontally and vertically and you squeeze against the wall you squish out anything that might be inside the any remaining milk rebel shame rebel one time told tear it from me. I'm going to roast it and eat it. So there's not that extra he wasn't and he just simply giving a regular giving a simple career would be enough of ya told her husband called whatever the terra assert there's always a corresponding heter they're always going to have the other thing that has a similar but as mut what's the reason for that some suggest because the terra wants to show us that The reason why we don't have this dvarer is not because it's disgusting but because rather the tyra said so hash said so and to illustrate that we'll have the same kind of thing in a mut form. So what are the examples that we're talking about blood but the liver which is basically a collection of hardened blood but you have after a woman gives birth that's you have which is essentially the same kind of thing but one's kosher one's but shea but it's m the brains of a shibuta fish which tastes a lot like kazerusra girus which is a nut kosher bird tastes the same as a fish tongue assh Obviously it's user to live with an ish but it's even though her husband is still alive which is going to be you can't live with a I want to eat something that has the same taste as where can I find that told his cooks to make take the meaning that and roast it because that will have essentially the same taste of but it'll be mutar as we were discussing So I want to infer from here that there's no problem with the bacon and parved cheese and these kinds of things are certainly an impossible burger. All the kinds of foods that taste like they're not kosher because you see that's what y was saying and there was no real problem with that. You could take a look at Zilberstein who discusses that over here in kashukmed he wants to be malik he wants to suggest perhaps aik between when the m something or when you're trying to make something taste tfe. But anyway, getting back to our gar that you first have to be the tell his cooks to roast this without first tearing it. The garra who was saying the mission was only talking when you're cooking the in a pot in a kadra. But if you're going to roast it, you don't even have to do any ka at all because the roasting process will actually let the kalov drip out of it. And the way Rashi seems to understand is that was arguing with Ravener from beforehand because they did hold you do need a kaish that you cooked that with the milk and that sounds like but you can't do it without the ka which says you are allowed to cook the even without tearing it open won't be the either And we shall stop here and pick it up with Kiska Belozer for tomorrow's DAV.