Chullin Daf 107

All right. Let's pick it up from the bottom of a person can wash his hands in the morning and he could say this should keep my hands to her throughout the whole day. Make it tonight that I can eat bread whenever I want throughout the whole day just from that one washing in the morning. I'll be careful not to touch anything tummy. Now Rashi speaks this out that when a person's masa they have to be careful that they shouldn't be matama their hands. But it sounds like from Rashi that you still have to make the because you could make a simple D from Rashi that why can't I just be careful not to touch anything tell me all day why does Rav have to say that nightm so based on that zba you see from rashi that your natila requires a kavana and that's what we see from um because the person has to have the intention to eat based on the washing and the even puts a finer point on it that if you're a night yim without any kavan you have to wash again and even the mishna brewer in says you're supposed to have kava for your washing of go so far to say it's and therefore if a person goes ahead and washes without kavana and then now decides to use that for there's technically a suffic at that point whether or not it'll work so the place right the best thing to do is to touch something that would force a new so it won't be and therefore you will have a new another issue to deal with rab's memory here is what tyus talks about in the bottom tus that we have this idea of tiff that right after a you have to do the mitzvah it's negas but one of the things Gamar and Braa says is take of so how can you go ahead and be mass for so Tyus himself brings from the time that it makes a difference whether or not you're mass but the is actually brought in says it makes a difference whether or not you're making the or more that if you're doing it for the then it needs to be taken even brought all right let's get back to memor so you can mass nolurina libé moving over to paka arvos which was a location where there was a lack of water like you that you don't have much water. Wash your hands in the morning that your hands should just stay throughout the whole day. It's an to not have to use too much water. It's only when you have a lack of water but if you got plenty of water like generally with us, we have plenty of water. You can't just wash in the morning and have it cover you throughout the day. And accord to this kind of is arguing with and saying you shouldn't do it unless you have a and it's going like ram papa hi arisa deoy let's say you have this kind of a irrigation system where there's a canal of water where they take the water from these different buckets and pour it into the ditch and then it kind of moves into the fields okay it's like a whole process for irrigation so the question is I want to use it for my dime so the iso you shouldn't just Stick your hands into this ditch and let the water rush over your hands. Why do osumi kayak gavra? You need to have a kayakra for it to work. Now even though the water in this ditch it was poured in from buckets but rashi's lush over here is there's no nila and there's no tila the natila zukrashi asar says and lessa kir mikvah zukrashi you don't have our bo you don't have a sherv mikvah so you can't do the either. This Rashi does seem to be taking a very important stance on the issue of whether or not requires it's not shuim or not because Rashi seems to only care about the shear that you don't have the sheer mikvah. Well, if you did have a sheer mikvah, it would still be shuim. It came out of a bucket. So, it sounds like from Rashi that wouldn't matter. That is a major shinim. And we'll leave it at that. But back to our puppet's memorab. So now you can without water. The bazia let's say that bucket has a hole in it such that the water that flows into the pale through that hole and connects it to the water of that whole canal where the water is getting drawn then life. So now the water that's already in that ditch is now connected to the other water and therefore you can do and therefore you can eat bread based on that another that has a hole in it such that the mashka can go into it because as a let's say there's not a reus of water in the clemen I ain't is that true that you need to have a whole ra I have a cliche a max let's say a doesn't even hold a a nightly but it sounds like homoxic if the size of the cle is big enough to hold a raas alpha depppe even if there's not enough liquid in it but lice it's still going to be okay even though it's not a raas had where do you need to have a raves that's when one person is washing but if two people are washing even if there's not enough to have raas for both of them then it will be okay as the says may that same ra can work for both people layer A are you mak that you have to have a kay or in I amusa how about the of the water that has to look like water in how about how about the amount of waters need to be reveal in there's another lotion of how the conversation went this said to your only about the ki and the water because the as we quoted before says may reve But veo it's not really correct to be mad that way from the Mishna that you don't need a raas because shiior in the case of the Mishna the reason why you need less than a raas because the second person was getting shuri tahara and therefore it's not the shot that you never needed a raas there was a raas for that first person asking rayakobin natlas rais that ravy made a raasized kay to be the standard that he can therefore measure how much you need for natiline asking raashi bhutel kuza basiosa he made a sized and also to use as the measuring standard. Let's say you have a cover of a barrel that you carved a hole in it. So there's now there's a clay cable nit dime. You can actually use it for an TLC dime. That's how Rashi understands that. Tyus has a problem with that because LMA it's a clay cable. So obviously it's cushion for TLC dime. So he says maybe it's because maybe the bumpout will cause it that you can't set down the cle and therefore it would tip to one side and spill out what's inside. So that's a question of whether or not it's going to be for TLC. And also these other kinds of flasks made out of skins are also going to be okay for nil. These things are all nitlad but sakva koopa which is not going to be sturdy enough to hold the water off alpishia mabob even though they now temporarily can hold water in nitimlad they are not good for nilsia dime. This of course is a very big modern-day issue when it comes to disposable stuff. There's an of quoted Romesha Feinstein in her gimmel lammed test that he wrote that you can't use these paper cups that are disposable because as the gamarra says here you can't use the sakvakufa however wrote the chuva in 1968 when Dixie cups were very flimsy. Rasher Weiss and other piskim say that of course if Risha would take a look at the very sturdy kind of disposable items that we have today he may not say the same. So even though it's popularly quoted as disposable cups are no good. It's not so pushy. That's what me. Let's say I don't want to touch the bread because I don't want to wash my hands. So I'll just cover it with a napkin. Right. All of our kids learned this in elementary school at one point or another. And as long as you don't touch the bread, you don't have to wash. Not so simple. So the gar has the sh itself. Are we afraid that maybe he's going to touch the bread with his hands and therefore it's going to be to eat without washing? Oo. Or maybe not. will bring a riot from the Mishna in cuz the mission says when they gave him smaller than the size of a bay's worth of food. So what do he do? He ate it inside of a map outside of the he didn't bench after he ate it. There's a whole bunch of important alkas learned from but for our purposes my love boy in a TLC d it sounds like only because he ate less than a that's why he didn't have anc heen size he would have needed ancing with a mappa but it's nishka because maybe the reason why the mission was talking about the eight lesson was not al but it was also of so bring from another story found Rav eating one time with his hands but he had a mappa separating the bread from his fingers right so turning over to Bden kadain is this an appropriate way to do don't bring any rise from what I'm saying because it did do and the only reason I'm holding the bread with this mappa is not because of but because I'm diet kitsara I don't want to touch the food with my hands myself this is a good story to quote next time you go to a falafel shop and they put the falafel inside of the paper sleeve. It's not the that you're being such a for some reason. You don't want to touch the bread cuz it's cuz you're going to get the and the humumus in your chips and your all over your hands. Found eating this bread with these worn out flasks around their hands like gloves and they didn't wash their hands to make a mistake. story about Rob and Schmool. You think Rav was eating because his hands were unwashed. The Rav himself said the reason why he was using the covers on his hands is but not because he didn't wash his hands. But obser forgot that which were for those who would eat because as Rashi says reason and they're not going to touch the bread but they were not m eating any for just people wanted to eat meaning and therefore that's why it was okay for them. Now bottom line it is brought in that you don't have to wash if you cover the bread but you have to be dalled mill you got to be very far away from the opportunity for water. So next time your kids say I don't have to wash because I'm going to not touch the bread. Yeah sure if there's no water around within dalled mill which is a shisman as how to even equate that because we can travel faster than they used to do in back in the days. So is it the distance that you could go on a train or is it walking specifically? But either way, it's going to be a substantial amount of time that you wouldn't be able to find water nearby. Back to the somebody who's being fed food is not touching it. And he roasted a meat for him in the coals and put it together with his bread and put it into mouth ate it. Had you not been feed because says you didn't wash your hands. So my what do you mean because he's ra isn't it because he's saying if it wouldn't be for the fact you're so mid not to touch the bread with your hands. So someone who's being fed by somebody else is not to wash his hands to which the says even if you're being fed by somebody else you got to wash your hands but was just being thatun who was must have already washed his hands. That's what he assumes. You can't put a piece of bread into the mouth of your shamish into the waiter unless you know that the waiter already washed his hands. And also incidentally the shamish has to make a bra on every different case of wine that he's given to drink because we have to assume there's but you don't make a on every piece of bread that he's given to eat because he's going to assume he's going to be eating more bread. So it's considered one long mess of argues that he has to make another on every piece of bread. So there's no steer between that does not make a on every piece of bread and who says he does make a on every piece of bread because where there's at the and therefore the waiter can assume that the is going to offer him food and therefore he's not from the but therefore he doesn't know if he's going to get any more bread and therefore he should make another said unless we know that he already washed his hands Even a person who's being fed must wash his hands to which the says it's not really a because there's a specific because he's already because he's so turreted he might forget if he didn't wash his hands and touch the bread with his tsun says a person shouldn't give a piece of bread to the shamish bane shak whether or not the shamish is still holding we don't want to get the host distracted and make him choke on his drink and the waiter who didn't wash his hands, you cannot feed him. So the Bryce is pretty clear and for whatever reason the Gur didn't want to bring this Bryce right off the bat as a clear riot the person who's doing the feeding does he require not the guy was eating it but the guy was doing the feeding a woman can wash one hand with water and she can now feed that bread to her little who can Omu he didn't want to feed his child even with one hand and his colleagues said that he should wash and feed with two hands. Don't don't think that Shamayakim was going to starve his child. It was just not to feed him bread but you do have a you got to wash your hands even doing the feeding. The reason why you're washing hands is not because of the dime. It's because of the on your hands after a nightm's father found little crying. He said to him, "Why are you crying? Cuz my rebi hit me." His father asked says, "Because the rebi told me to feed his own kid and the rebi hit me because you fed my son and you didn't wash your hands." So's father said and didn't you wash your hands. So to his father because he's eating and I should wash. It's not enough that the rebi didn't even know that he's not to wash his hands but he hits my kid as well. Someone's eating as a result of somebody feeding him but the actual feeder does not need to wash his hands. We'll stop here and pick it up with the mission for Sunday staff.