Chullin Daf 102

All right, duf bay Monday's daf. Let's pick it up from the two dots smack in the middle of there's a said that the giranosha is going to be user even in not kusher animals because it was to the said back to that there was no until and then the put the back there as we said how to understand that now we get the bry that has the more expansive version of their conversation the bry says Benov doesn't say benovi and Jacob's children were not called the ben until so clearly this p wasn't said before then but rather it was written in the appropriate place in order to give the yidden a reason to know why the waser this you're just assuming that b is not an expression until I the says Ben Israel is Jacobim that the Ben Yakov took their father to join Y in Mitzim and that was before Mantra and still they're called Ben Israel but this was long after the Malik named Jacob Israeli but so then at least from the time when Jacob's sons are called Ben Israel based on what we said was a given at different times Therefore, since at that time when Jacob was being taken by the shift to that was neither the time of the so you can't just say that at that point would become that's not when the terra was given and it's not when the mis happened says this concept of as we're getting away from now to talk about this is the important thing doesn't matter whether Whether these kinds of species are kosher or not, they're still going to be only the both learning from the same. So the Tyra says the to eat moving over to olive and don't eat that nephesh meaning that dam with the buser. This is the mocker. So verbry in the terrorist putting together the is of in the same place where there's an issami and not kosher animals are also now same but the exact opposite. You're not allowed to eat the buser only when it's accompanied by nephesh, meaning you're taking it from a living animal, but you're allowed to eat that buser from a dead animal. Therefore, any animal that you normally could eat when it's dead, meaning a kosher animal, that's when you can't take it off when it's alive, meaning you'll have an meaning. So, there won't be any from a noter animal. Why do I even need a Pik to tell me that would also be to not cuss animals according to be able to say let the be on the noter because we've already established that there is a bigger and therefore there's no problem of so in the same way we said by it's going to be by not animal the same thing should apply that is also because the is also negated. So that same logic should apply also to create an iss for the on the not kosher animals but didn't need a new mocker in is going to be on not kosher animals because he doesn't hold that the more will alleviate the problem of but rather you won't be able to have that second on the first is we also see from this that bother and we're going to learn from the same The only time you have is by animal but you are allowed to eat the buser taken from a dead animal only an animal that's to be eaten when it's dead. meaning a kosher animal. You'll also have an like. So here you have a Bryce that clearly makes the in the same way from the but now we're going to introduce a third. The only time you're going to have an aiser is by a behemoth. So even though Rome really seemed to sound a lot like the but it's not true because he's saying that is not negated to or a knife only to a behem and a kher one at that time mayor. Why is limiting it only to a that's where you only have because and those are talking only about this is about what the what kind of animals are going to be on everybody's asking that by not kosher animals just like by kosher animals. So it's more but there's another animal meaning is how you read it may some say we're talking about animals and that would end up being because according to the raon the is not only by that's why it's ra of shisby aanina Oh, we also see this from the mission in the first paracaris. If a yid ate an from it, meaning and it's talking about a non-cusser bird while it was alive is not going to get malus because the isra is not to a not kosher bird because the mission is going like that and it's only talking about kusher birds for and won't be there to be mat. So, what are we talking about? Obviously the of a not kusher bird is not going to make it kusher. It's not kosher. So is not going to help. We must be talking about a and what it means to say is that the of that bird that's not kosher isn't going to immediately make it mut to be eaten by a because if the bird continues to thresh out after it's considered and it's going to be alive and you're going to have a problem of a but what do you see from this? Clearly aai of a living non-cusher animal is going to be ushered to a but we had just said beforehand that the is of a is not to a not kusher animal. So clearly the mute of not kusher animals is also only by and not by he made that mission into a steer because the mission says if you eat from a not kusher bird you don't get malus but the inha says that the of a non-cusser bird doesn't make it right to eat. So the first tells us that the is not neg animals while the safe of the same mission says it does same idea you need to eat a kaz in order to get the malus for the soil classified as an whenever you eat less than the kaz you're never going to be called eating and therefore you need to eat a kazorth in order to get the malus if somebody eats an a from a non kosher bird while it is alive because as we keep saying there is no from a non-cosher bird and the is not going to make it roy to eat beforehand we dealt with what it meant about we're more focused on that first line that you're not going to get malus now if you're telling me that you need to have a kaz for malus must be talking about somebody who ate that amount otherwise you wouldn't get malus so the kaz if you're telling you always need a kaz and the mission will be telling us it's a obviously an esophagus if you don't eat a kaz but if you did eat a kaz why would says he's not going to get malus typically he ate a kazayas of not kusher bird buster so you're going to get malus that even if you don't get malus this is a mixture of not just berer but it's berer that together equal to also so it's not so push you can be off the hook from the malus so he's not going to get malcus for eating the buster of this not kusher animal whether it's alive or it's dead because the isra owes only n when he eats a kazayas of entirely barely meet without the gidd we're working of course the assumption of tam so they don't have a status of buser in of themselves let's try again to bring a riged rav rav himself once said about eating an entire bird in gans turning over to bes don't let's say you eat an entire kusher bird while it was alive just pop the whole thing in your mouth you're going to be for eating that whole thing even as a you will be even though it's smaller than a kazayas because you're eating a complete a so clearly does not require a kazm. If you ate this ker bird when it was dead, then you need to have and let's say it's a not kosher bird is because it has a status of a burri when it was alive when you ate it. Even though it's very small, you're going to be so to himself that said you need to have a kaz, but he says you don't need a kaz. So we're talking about where you did have a kaz, but the kazayas is a of the Okay, so let's try again. If you took a kasher bird that's smaller than the eat the whole thing all at once which we're going to have to see why he somehow is not going to see that as but that is certainly considered so the whole thing altogether certainly be considered continues to let's say first you just kill the bird then you eat it therefore ice because now it's just a nea so for noa you have to have meaning repos are not arguing. looks like a series of right you can look at it as a collection of these avarim it's not divisible the thing is alive but everybody's masking that if you only eat one single a after it's been taken off the animal you don't need to have a kazaru same thing we're talking about there's a little bit of meat but it was together with the makes the kazay does the even exist of a bird leazer it doesn't have enough collective buser on this entire bird to be a kaz but from but I can get a kazay if I combine a little bit of meat together with its bones and senus so yeah there is such a bird thea this kind of klena bird which has big bones so that's the kind of thing that you can get a kaz when you're the senus and the because now it's ana but it sounds like it's a kusher bird said to if it's a not crusher bird it's going to Mashu so I have to brace talking about not kusher bird doesn't require egg eyes kisa we're talking about a kusher bird that is kane kisa just it has a similar characteristics but it is a kusher bird okay so we said in the previous bry that rebi is going to from any of eating an entire kosher bird because it's not cold it's alive but that a person's thought can make a difference when it comes to right we know will make the difference. So in this case let's say I intend to eat it one at a time is that going to be divisible as a such a case that would also just because one has the one doesn't say yeah that's it can work that way if you want to say Let's say he wanted to eat this bird when he was dead, but instead he ate it when he was alive. And he's not going to be because by pushing off the until after it's died, the person shows that he's not ready to divide it into the calls. It's alive and therefore it's not going to have a status of because it's not two people doing the same exact thing. is going to be on. That's the way it is. And we're going to call here and we'll pick it up. The dmer of Yan.