Bechoros Daf 9

All right, DAFF test. This is Yontiff Sheni Daf. We're in the middle of this very interesting story about the Sabatuna with that was facing off with them to prove that the Tam was smarter than them to the quesar and he just remembered there are 12 different questions and now we're up to the third line from the bottom of B. So he brought them to the ship because that was the deal right if they lose they have to go onto the ship with them and when they each came into the respective rooms of the ship you remember that he had 60 beds put into each one of those rooms. So Omar they each said, "Hey, all my buddies are coming here." So they were more willing to go in because they thought they were going to be together with all their since they saw 60 chairs in that room that they were in. But that was not the case. They were sequestered apart from each other. Armlay the Sapina Shi Safins Rubishua told the captain of the ship to untie the ship and let's go back when they were leaving Shakal Aframe Aaru. Rishua took some dirt from Athens moving over to Manav. Kimatu Leier when he got to the place of somehow there was when he got to these dangerous place of waters maybe was some kind of a whirlpool inside the water muzza deaya mime took some water from this special place and we're going to see later how he's going to use this water kosu when they came to the end of the trip and got back to Romeu Kameesar Yeshua brought these of the batuna to the but the didn't know for sure that this was them and he saw they were very like they weren't impressive and that's because they weren't in their natural habitat so the queser sister of Yeshua Honey, they knew this can't be them because the because those are supposed to be very and arrogant and these are not. So, Shak Mafaray or Bishua took out some of the dirt from Athens that he took before he left and he threw it at them which actually made them feel like they're back in their own native land. So, these Sabatuna got very again and they became bala once more towards the quesar. So, the quesar said to the boys, you could do anything you want with them. So brought the water the special water they took from that whirlpool area and he put it into empty barrel and he said to the malu fill up the barrel then you can go free after you do that. So they said okay no big deal they started filling it and the water kept swallowing up at the bottom. It's like a bottomless pit and the barrel would never fill up. So their shoulders became dislocated and they wore themselves out and they met their endu whatever all that means at the end let's see a female donkey it never gave birth before so you know the next baby that's going to come out if it's a male one it's going to require pigeon but the two males came out only one of them was going to be thear so nice and you give one to the cayenne as a pinion because you don't have to give both and whichever one it is is the one that gets a pinion and you don't know which one came out first and now it's possible that neither one of them is because of the neva first it won't be. So he has to keep one for himself and he can do whatever he wants with it. That way on the was born first it's potentially has kadusha and therefore because of that he wants to do the pigeon but he doesn't have to give it to the because now let's say they're two different female donkeys that never gave birth beforehand and between them two males were born. So that is now if they had a male and a female and now only one of them could have been the nice because there's going to be one but that's all you're going to have to give to the let's say there are two females so it's possible there was no also it's possible no now say two donkeys one had already given birth and one had never yet given birth. So nice and since we know that each one of them gave birth and one of them is certainly a you certainly have to do opinion but therefore it's possible that neither of them are like we had the first like we had in the first part of the could have been the first that can either be from sheeps or goats and could be male or female it doesn't matter as long as you can supply that animal you have flexibility there and you can redeem it many times over which we even mentioned back that this is either Rashi says if the gives it back you can do it again and again and again with the same or likeis if it's a safar you can do it multiple and that kind of animal will go into the of the if it dies you're still get from it we'll see more about this in the garana who's the says that if one donkey gives birth for the first time to two you only give one to the kay maybe you should give both maybe they were both a bakar well it can't be bothar Because according basically the of having two at the same time is because it's possible for things physically to happen at the same time but everybody else outside of holds there's a no matter how much it looks like it happened at the same time it didn't really happen at the same time because shiam by a case of aps that gave birth to twins like basically was talking about which the lion sounds like more than one could be aar but the terror didn't talk that Therefore, it basically could be masking by that only one could be actually the well frankly let's learn from to the law of for the extra of is saying that's only by the say it the following way same idea just Our mission is not going like that's why our mission didn't say a case of when both heads came out at the same time who holds it basically is not arguing with our mission be a bigger also the Bryce says if you have a dog that never had given birth until now he gives birth to and both heads come out at the same timer. So you see the fails from this basically holds the it's going to also be a basically this is only talking about when there's actual how could you basically possibly say that same will be the says because it's says all of these toe meaning that which the says that it's after time saying that they both can become have kadusha. The same should be true for also for the kamar. So basically mask the puzzle is not telling me anything about and the is only talking about but once we learn that it's possible for two heads to come out at exactly the same time you can say the same thing is true by a donkey says turning over bays. So our mission is not going that's the bottom line. So meaning the over here that says that means you only give one to no matter what because he holds us not sh for both of these animals to become a ragdish. Let's say that only part of the gives the kadusha. What do you mean? Why only part of the if you need the entirety of that animal's uterus to give it its kadusha? So if two are coming out at the same time, one is blocking the other from touching the rest of the walls of the and therefore it's clear that only mas is mish otherwise you have big line and therefore it is not a now you might think this is not so nea but it happens to be very neg because there is a chew from the what happens with human birth if there's a katita. Let's say the doctor's using forceps and is actually creating a katita between a newborn potentially a firstborn boy newborn and the raim and the uterus's wall. So he goes through three pages of rise he ultimately concludes that there won't be a problem of kata there will be a kaducious and you'll have to do the pigeon but back in 1980 writes that it's not true what the are saying that is only talking about animals and people are not you're not going to have any issue of with just not a thing to begin with and rebar spoke out from the safer pig in the second paric over there that he talks about that even if a doctor was to use forceps it's not even going into the anyway it's lower along in the birth canal there It's not neglig if this animal gave birth to both and then you have to do keep it for yourself. Frank keep it once you're keeping for yourself. Why do we even have to separate it at all? What's the point? I don't have to give it to the remember it's says no because there's still so you have to do the to remove that is alma. Clearly our time of our mission is saying that not the kadusha of of the it's and who's that who holds that way but verbish and is m there's no iss so my time why would hold that the isser before you do the redemption why is there so is there anything that requires a and stays there's no such precedent for that so we have to assume that it's going to be until otherwise there's plenty of things that need and are still mutter before their right if your little that's born needs you can still kiss the kid there's no the is a very specific requirement that you need to have a set to do the that should be before you do the frankly is there such a has to be a sheep or a goat before you do the he used cooked vegetables in other words he used you don't really have to use a there's satya to which the says no is not talking about when you're doing a at the actual value of the you can use the of anything else but let's say it's less than the value but when you use less than value you have to use a set so then if the has such a that you have to use the set must be that should be until that point well the also is not so true because messer by micer shi does have a what's you have to use a certain kind of money you can't You have to use minted money to be paid to the mi but we still learned in the mish if he's with pairs of mi it's kesh and obviously it can't be otherwise the kion wouldn't work and for the peter as far as kushian goes she'll be mudes even with the before the like the way says tomazar why doesn't become mudes with moser sheni because she knows that the ms is not going to become when given to her for kaducion. She knows it's still she'll take it to your and she'll spend it there which is of course what you do with the also she knows that there's still an iss and therefore she'll redeem it with the and therefore she'll be mudes with the difference in value between the and the in other words she's delaying the kudin until that until that point she doesn't become mudes with the mashen now is only when she takes your shallayim so there is an actual is right now and she's technically not mudes Now for every time why would say that the is before the is there anything that the pig is bahan while it itself is since the sec used by a kayen and there's no iss I'll show you it's not that way the pig money of perish is mut but it itself the pairs of isservion is also the mara So there is this. All right. So they're really arguing about how to understand the following puzz of your cow which we understand to mean you're allowed to work with the of yours and others meaning the bea that you own with somebody else that you own with a guy. And the says and you shouldn't do any Giza with the of which we learn if it is jointly owned with you and a guy. That's the verb don't work with your own there's no even before the you can shear the firstborn donkey. So according to Shim the P is telling us that that the isu understands the differently and will hold that the is going to be so that's why you have two wonder telling me that it's and the giz is going to be for other kinds of and one's needed for it's redundant who learns both the giz of this animal. How do you know that there's for the that is of working the is only when it comes to animals, not people? Therefore, what we need to and it says you don't need to have a for to say that will be for it's yours. So, that's not exclusively yours, but rather it's owned by a guy and yours. That's coming of your sheep and yours. And we are going to pick it up with Omaraba on Isra.