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All right, daf dalet. And we're going to
pick it up like 20 lines from the bottom
of gimel amit base. He he giarsa, there
was a giaras, which means that her
siblings, biological siblings, are all
To have a master in law ahe givas
al lipituma. So, her goyisha brothers
gave her animals for her to fatten them
up. So, asoyla came to Rava, she came to
Rava to find out, now these vladas that
are born from these animals, are they
going to be much to be given to the
coin? Are they a bachar? So, am I
allowed to Rava less to law la had Rava
Yehuda? Nobody's mocked but on sheetas
of Yehuda dam shitas have much as be
bachar. The shitas of Yehuda that we
were talking about in the past two blood
that do deal with a din bachar on the
chelek of a yed is not something that we
pass can like. No one's mocked but on
shitas of Yehuda and therefore the fact
that these are owned by the brothers who
are is definitely enough to potter
these things from bachar even the part
that she would own. Next story, Rav Mari
bar Rachel have you lay a he givasa? So,
Rav Mari bar Rachel had a flock of
animals. Have a magnet le
So, what did he do? He went ahead and he
was magnet the ears of the bacharim to a
in order to potter them from the din
of bachar. As we learned, an ear might
be all it takes to potter. That's enough
to be considered like a goyisha
ownership. The aser le who be gisa but
yet he still proved with these animals
as if they are imbued with kedushas
bachar. to gisa avoida And he gave them
to the kohanim. He even gave them to the
kohanim. So, on the one hand he's trying
to potter it. On the other hand he's
treating it like a bachar. But what
happened bottom line?
Rav Mari bar Rachel, the animals died.
Sounds like he was punished for his
wrong actions. So, let's figure this
out.
Once Rav Mari bar Rachel has gisa avoida
gave it to the kohanim.
Why was he being magnet the ears to the
which seems like a way to get out
of the bachar kite?
He was doing it alta tzidkus. He didn't
want to accidentally have a takala. So,
he wanted to make sure there would be no
chiyuv to treat them like bachar. So,
yachi my time he was there of Mari. He's
being a tzadik over here. Why did the
animals die? To which the answers
"Mishum de mafka lehu mikdusha saihu."
Because lemaisa he took them out of
their actual kedushas bechor, and
therefore that was considered like the
wrong thing to do, and for that he was
punished by having his flock die.
A person is allowed to stick their hand
into the animal before it comes out, and
actually inflict a mum on it, making it
not have kedushas bechor when it comes
out. So, clearly the hafkha from
kedushas bechor is not something that we
ossur. Rebi Yehuda says that's an okay
practice to do. To which the Gemara says
is a chiluk.
By the case of Rebi Yehuda that's muttar
to put the mum on the unborn fetus,
you're you're making it not shiyach to
bring as a carbon on the mizbe'ach, but
mikdushas kindley mafkaleh. Because even
though it's going to be possul for a
carbon, it still has kedushas kayen,
meaning it has to go to the kayen. And
when we say kedushas kayen, it's kind of
like status. We're kind of using the
word kedusha a little more loosely.
We're using it like a term like status,
because it doesn't really have kedusha
in the conventional sense. But we're
saying that Rebi Yehuda's hetter is only
to make it not for the mizbe'ach. But if
I it will still be mum and kayen, and
therefore you're not doing anything
wrong.
So, that's considered worse. Or Rebi
Yehuda says another reason why Rebi Mari
Bar Rocha got punished. Rebi Mari Bar
Rocha yodea like nuyaki in Gemara. He
knew how to make a proper kinyan with a
As Rashi says, he would know to do
the kinyan kesef to make it into a
proper kinyan. But because he lay in a
shachrin of also the ovid, but another
person might see him doing this kinyan
and might try to think to do the same
way. The suffer of Mari Milsa who do
ovid and the onlooker might think that
Rebi Mari Bar Rocha was only doing it
with labor and not with actually paying
the money. But also bailey detakola. So,
because of that potential takola that
could happen, that's why Rebi Mari Bar
Rocha lost his flock. Kind of an amazing
thing. Why would a person think he's
doing it with lemaisa? Why can't he see
that he's changing hands with money? The
Shita Mekubetzes actually asks this for
a kasha on Rashi. If you want to see
Rebi Gross, he says over a teretz from
Rebi Chaim Berlin, which was a creative
teretz, although it's a little bit hard
to read it in the Gemara. Okay, so now
before we start the next Mishna, let's
make sure we know our basic from Chumash
over here, that we know in the midbar
every one of the bechorim, both people
and animals, all had kedushas bechor.
And as we know, the bechorim were
actually supposed to do the avodah, but
since they were involved in the chet
ha'egel, it went over to shevet Levi.
So, Hashem told Moshe Rabbeinu to make a
cheshbon of how many bechorei Yisraelim
there were, and have them be nifted by
the Levi'im. So, the Torah tells us that
there were 22,273
bechorei Yisraelim, while the Levi'im
were actually exactly 22,000, leaving
who had to pay the five shekalim to the
Kohanim. So, the Zohar ha'Mishnah says,
"Kohanim u'Levi'im peturim mi'kol
bechorim." Kohanim and Levi'im are patur
from dinei bechor based on the following
kal v'chomer. "Im patru es she'Yisrael
ba'midbar," if they were able to patter
the Yisraelim in the midbar, which we
just said what that was, "dinu
she'yiftru es she'atzman." So, it makes
good sense that they should be able to
patter themselves from dinei bechor.
Moving over to mem aleph, "U'frat
d'Gemorah, inu patri?" Did they
themselves patter the Yisraelim for
their peter chamor? "Adam adam patter."
A Levi person pattered a Yisrael person.
And likewise, "Beheima beheima patra." A
Levi's animal was pattering a Yisrael's
bechorei animal. "D'chasid kach es
ha'Levi'im tachas kol bechorei bnei
Yisrael. Es beheimas Levi'im tachas
beheimasam." So, how do you read the
Mishnah that's mashma that the Levi'im
themselves somehow pattered the chamorim
of the Yisraelim? That doesn't make any
sense. So, Amar Rabba, "This is how you
have to read the Mishnah. Hachi k'amar.
Kohanim u'Levi'im peturim beheimasam
mi'kol bechorim." Regarding Kohanim and
Levi'im, their animals, meaning their
bechorei chamorim, are patur from dinei
bechor based on the following kal
v'chomer. "Im ifki'a beheimasam
she'Levi'im beheimas she'Yisrael
ba'midbar," if the Levi'im's animals
were able to patter the Yisraelim's
animals in the midbar, "dinu she'tafki'a
es she'atzman." It makes good sense that
the Levi'im's animals should be able to
patter their own firstborn animals. So,
it's kind of like a two-step process.
Amar Lei Rabba, "V'ha patru inu ketani."
The Mishnah says that the Levi'im
themselves are creating the petur, not
the animals. Doesn't read the way you're
saying it. "V'iy dai Mishnah," if you're
telling me that the kal v'chomer should
be the way you're saying it, "I feel im
bechorei beheima tehora niftaru," then
the Levi'im should be patur also from
the halacha of bechor for kosher
animals. So, "Al emet and a non then why
does the Mishnah say coming up later on
Dafi Gimmel lo niftaru me Bachur Beheima
Tehora they're not putter from Bachur by
a kosher animal ela me pidyon haben
u'peter chamor. They're only putter from
their children a pidyon haben and the
peter chamor but not from a Bachur
Beheima Tehora. So hello Mar Rav another
Tanna had to read our Mishnah Huchi
Ketani. This is what the Mishnah means
to say. Kai Hanem u'Levi'im peturin hein
atzman me Kal v'Chomer they themselves
would putter from a Kal v'Chomer. Im
afki Kedushas u'Levi'im Kedushas
u'Yisrael ba'Midbar If the Kedusha of
these Levi'im were able to remove the
Kedusha of the Bachurei Yisraelim in the
Midbar lo yafki es shel atzman shouldn't
they be able to remove their own Bachur
Kedusha? Cuz it doesn't make sense that
the Kedusha of the Levi was removing the
Kedushas Bechora of a Bachur Yisrael
certainly the Kedushas Levi of the
Bachur Levi should remove its own
Kedushas Bachur. Zoch te Gemara ash
k'chan Adam okay that makes fine by
people but Beheima T'meia me nan how do
you know it's going to take care of our
donkeys the Beheima T'meia? And for the
Gemara cuz amar kra ach pidoy sifta es
Bachur Adam v'es Bachur Beheima T'meia
tifta. So the Torah is putting these two
together the human Bachur and the not
kosher animals Bachur. So we can make a
drasha Kol she yeshnu ba'Bachur Adam
yeshnu ba'Bachur Beheima T'meia and
likewise Kol she einu ba'Bachur Adam
einu ba'Bachur Beheima T'meia. But come
to choli is all Kohanim u'Levi'im are
going to be putter from these Halachas.
Now amar lei Rav Shmuel bar Abba lei
didakta amar Beheima T'meia according to
you who said that the putter of the
Levi'im's Beheima T'meia came out of the
Kal v'Chomer so then it could come out
that Ben Levi deHavalay said afka lifka.
Remember it was a set that you used to
do the pidya for the chamor. So if he
happened to have the kinds of animals
that would take away Kedusha of this
chamor from the Yisrael so then okay his
own would also be putter. What about de
loy Havalay said de lifka? Let's say
that Levi didn't have his own set to go
ahead and take away the Kedusha for the
Yisrael's chamor loy lifka it won't
work. So why would generalizing that all
the Levi'im should be putter from peter
chamor? It should depend whether or not
they happen to have the set. And more
than that Ben Levi de bein de Rava what
are you going to say about a Ben Chadish
de afka lifka? Only a month old Levi who
could take away the Kedushas Bechor via
Israel. But Pochas me ben Khaidesh to
lay Afka Livka, what about babies that
were less than one month old? They could
not work to be Poyda the Kedushas Bechor
via Israel. So then also his own Kedusha
shouldn't be able to go away. Why are we
implying that all the brand new Levi'in
babies would also be Poter? And also
more, Levi Leisivka, let's say a female
bas Levi should also not be off the hook
because Al Am Omar Rabah
Rabah, Levi'ah she Yolda ben na Poter me
Chomersh Laim. Why she Potura? She
herself couldn't be used to take away
the Kedusha? To which the Gemara says
hello Kasha. That last thing is not a
Kasha because the Mar Bereh the Reish of
Mishnah may be Rava the Amar, Peter
Rechem. A Bechor is only one that is a
Peter Rechem, means the first one that
comes out of the Rechem. So Peter Rechem
to the Rachmana. And what he's saying
with Egzayrus Kasuv says clearly no
Chiluk between a Levi'ah and a ben Levi.
All of Shevet Levi, including those who
couldn't Poter the Israelim, are still
going to be Poter from the Kedushas
Bechor. So Rav Safra's Kasha about a
Levi'ah doesn't really add anything to
the previous question about the Pochas
me Khaidesh. But now Rav Safra's going
to ask Vaydav Aharon. What about Aharon
himself? Shelo haya ba Yisa Minyan, he
wasn't part of that Cheshbon of the
Levi'in ba Midbar. So also he himself lo
Livka, there should be no Poter of
Bechor for him. Now of course he himself
wasn't a Bechor, we're talking about if
he would own animals. Taisus here points
out that his sister Miriam was three
years older than him. But Aharon himself
shouldn't have this Hafka from the
Kedushas Bechor. The Tanya the Braisa
says Lama Nakud Al Aharon she be Chumash
ha Pekudim. In Pekudim it's safer ba
Midbar. By the whole counting of the
Levi'in, shelo haya ba Yisa Minyan cuz
he wasn't part of that Cheshbon. And
from the Gemara Amar Kra ha Levi'in
Hukshu. Kol ha Levi'in zeh lo zeh. So
even if you're going to show some
Levi'in are not going to have the
qualifications to do the Pidya
themselves, but le ma'aseh it's all part
of the same tribe and they're all and
they'll all have the same Halacha. So
the fact the Gemara Kra ha Nami Nolan,
the Pasuk is only talking about Levi'in,
how do you know the Kohanim are also
Poter? And from the Gemara Kidrei bi
Yeshua ben Levi, the Amar bi Yeshua ben
Levi, be Esrim u Arba Makomos Nikru
Kohanim Levi'in, they're called the same
thing. V'zeh Achad me Hem ba Kohanim u
Levi'in bnei Tzadok, which puts them all
together in the same category. Turning
over to Maseches Beitzah, u le Dayrus me
Nolan, and how do you know that this is
not just in the Torah midbar, but even
the day race, it'll also pop to the
carbon of the young everything tomorrow
on my cover how you leave Halloween and
the Halloween means we have Yasha and
Yahoo. They're all always be with that
status of Allah. Now when am I to say,
how do you know that in the midbar
Israel's Petra Kamar is going to be
redeemed all you do you say because the
person who only talks about a Behema. So
how do you know it's a set? I'm a of his
dad cuz now I'm a casa for the day race
and now I'm a set the day race. So my
casa for the only the day race by puddle
of the day race. That's the tool that
could do the PDA for a day race and by
puddle of the day race and they use it
during that time in the midbar. We know
they use the Kamish Akel against those
273 Beheiras who couldn't be taken care
of by the Levium. So after how I'm a
little day race bow puddle of the day
race and bow puddle of the day race. But
for the how can you compare to money?
Malachi should came by the Beheiras and
my session. They're specially unique
Milo by money and maybe that's why you
can use it to be paid to the Beheir even
in the midbar, but I said you can't use
a set to be paid to the Beheiras and my
session. Who says they could use it in
the time of the midbar. So I'll give you
a different marker. I'll put the day set
is Beheir Adam is Beheir of Beheima to
me a tifter. So since the day puts
together both the Beheir Adam and the
Beheima in a tifter also Beheir, you can
learn my Beheir Adam like a lot to be in
the day race Beheir also show the casa
for half payment to me like talk like by
Beheir of the day race Beheir also show
the Beheir Adam Beheir Hanina. Set a
head show Beheir Levi one set of a
Beheir Levi put the camera Beheir
Kamarim may Israel. You can do many
Beheir Kamars from a Israel. So it's not
an equation of one to one for one set
goes one Beheir Kamar. You could do
multiple Kamars with the one set. I'm a
Beheir Adam bring you right that Shahare
Monah casa in Beheir Adam. The day
counted the Adam the surplus amongst the
Israelim Beheir Adam for the Monah Adam
Beheima. We didn't count that extra
surplus amongst the animals because the
273 extras that we had is only counted
by people. So clearly one set of a Levi
could take care of multiple Kamarim from
a Israel. But for the Beheir Adam do we
have any official Beheima to maybe the
numbers actually worked and there
weren't actually extra animals.
That doesn't make any sense because
they had a lot of animals.
Maybe the regular
these animals of the
equal the number of the
donkeys of Israel. It might have just
worked out. All right, so let's try
another marker.
So let's say
we make a
that you can use one against the
multiple
or
maybe
means many animals like the term
that we learned yesterday in the fourth
even though the word usually a
but the Torah sometimes will say the
expression of
to mean lots of animals. So therefore
maybe lots of animals were needed for
the
of the
and maybe in a one-to-one ratio.
Everything came across
My
task is to switch the lotion.
One set to care many donkeys. All my
rubber
the mission coming up on
who paid by all of my that you can do it
many times. That's the mission coming up
that if you still gives a a set for a
and then he buys back that set from the
he can use it he can use it for another
firstborn that's how learns over there
in
argues we're talking about a that you
can do it with multiple
Rashi may not like because of the how
much
all of implications. I guess we'll
probably talk about that more on
for
and explain the that mission of he said
my time I played the
why can you use a single set multiple
times we should
show me lady
picture
as we've been saying. Okay, new it might
have been all my culture
that there was a culture in the Midbar.
But Reish Lakish Amar, "Lo Kadshei
Bechirah ba Midbar." The animals that
were born in the Midbar did not have
Kedushas Bechirah. Everybody's Maskim
the ones that came from Yetzias
Mitzrayim did. As well as everybody's
Maskim that the ones that are born in
Eretz Yisrael. But what about the ones
that were born in the Midbar? That's the
Machlokes here Rebbi Yochanan and Reish
Lakish. What's the Machlokes? Rebbi
Yochanan Amar, "Kadshei Bechirah ba
Midbar." The Rachmana Amar, "Likdishu."
Because the Torah said they should
become Kodesh.
Reish Lakish Amar, "Lo Kadshei Bechirah
ba Midbar." They weren't Kodesh because
when you're going to bring them into
Eretz Yisrael
and right afterwards it says in the next
Pasuk you should set them apart. Clearly
the ones that were born in the Midbar
did not have that Kedusha. So according
to Reish Lakish, if it had Kedushas
Bechirah from the time when it was in
Mitzrayim, it's fine. But it can't get
new Kedusha in the Midbar. This
Machlokes Rebbi Yochanan and Reish
Lakish about whether or not a new
Kedusha is going to create a Mitzvah
that breaks the prior Mitzvah. Rebbi
Yitzchak Zefangel in Klal Tes of the
Aserei Devarim has 20 other such
examples that are similar to this
Machlokes Rebbi Yochanan and Reish
Lakish. Prak Gemara Eis Ve'eir Rebbi
Yochanan and Reish Lakish. The Mishnah
in Zevachim says, "Ad Shelo Hukam ha
Mishkan." Until the Mishkan was actually
built in the Midbar, "Hayu Bamos
Mutaros." They could bring Korbanos on a
Bamah. "Va'Avodah ba Bechirah." And the
Avodah was done by the Bechirah. Meaning
even the Bechorei Yisrael could do the
Avodah until the Mishkan was built. So
what do you see? There was a Mosif of
Kedushas Bechirah even in the Midbar.
Okay, but you know how to get out of
that Kasha. Amar Lei Reish Lakish back
to Rebbi Yochanan, "Ba'Yitzan She'asuha
Mitzrayim." Those were talking about the
Bechirah who came out of Yetzias
Mitzrayim. Therefore they already had
the Kedushas Bechirah. "And Hachi Nami
Mistabra." "De'ilei Teima Hachi." "Ben
Shanah Bar Me'aveid Avodah." What are
one-year-olds doing Avodah? Obviously
we're talking about older people who
were alive by Yetzias Mitzrayim. Now
what would Karly Makarly what was even
Rebbi Yochanan's Hava Amina? So Hachi
Kasha Lei. This is what he meant to ask.
"Im Bishleima De'ilei Posel Kedusha." So
if it makes sense if you're going to
tell me that the Kedusha of the new
Bechirah didn't stop in the Midbar, so
how could they become an amulet pocket
of Kedusha Siyum? Then it's also miss
average to say that those that had the
Kedusha before, meaning by Yitzias
Mitzrayim, also didn't lose it in the
Midbar. Eliyahu brought the pocket of
Kedusha Siyum, but if you're saying that
those new Bahiras stopped their Kedusha
in the Midbar, now they would need new
Kedusha. So how could they become an
amulet pocket of Kedusha Siyum? So those
who already had the Kedusha before
Yitzias Mitzrayim also should have lost
their Kedusha and therefore no Bahir
would have been Shiyach to do the
Avodah. Now if you eat the how would
answer this question? He'll say
the Kadosh Kadosh of Bahir who was
already Kadosh by Yitzias Mitzrayim
stayed Kadosh in the Midbar, but the
light Kadosh light Kadosh. And this kind
of a debate about how we look at things
that stop and start again is what Rebbe
Yossi HaCohen is going to give all these
other examples about in in As Vender
Raisa. Ace fair of Yachna had another
question with Reish Lakish. Oisa Hayam
Shokam Mishkan, that day they made the
Mishkan in the Midbar. Karvu Lahem
Yisrael, they brought a lot of Korbanos,
they brought the Duram, the Bavais, the
Chatais, the Ashamis, Bahiras U Maisras.
So clearly there were animal Bahiras
Midbar that were Kadosh. So Hachina Ami
by Yitzias Mitzrayim it's not Kasha,
those animals were Kadosh because they
came out of Mitzrayim. Umina, and from
the Braisa itself I would say that the
Bahiras that were born in the Midbar
Dafka are not Kadosh because what does
the Braisa say? Oisa Hayam who Dikarav,
on that day Bahiras were brought as
Korbanos become like Korav. But after
that they weren't brought until they
came into Eretz Yisrael. Must be because
the ones that were born in the Midbar
did not have the Kedusha of Bahir. And
he could tell me there's another Lashon
of the same Kasha Tairutz here. That Ace
fair of Reish Lakish learned of Yachna
and Oisa Hayam Shokam Mishkan Karvu
Lahem Yisrael the Duram, the Bavais, the
Chatais, the Ashamis, Bahiras U Maisras.
Oisa Hayam but become like light. So
Rebbe Yachna now Eima Maisa Yam Beilech,
the Braisa means from that day and on
they did bring the Bahiras who might
come out of one and therefore what would
be the Chidush by saying Oisa Hayam?
Maisa Yam in Mikarla, but before that
they couldn't because because even the
Bavais were Motar, they couldn't bring a
Korban Chiva. Alma Chivas BaBavais like
Korav. Let's try again, Tasha Maisa,
let's bring a right from the Braisa.
Nimse Sata Oimer, Nimse Sata Oimer
BaShlishi Ba Makom Kichu Bahiras
L'Yisrael. Comes out from what you're
saying, Nims out to Imer, we'll have to
see soon what that means, that three
different locations the
were Kodesh for Israel.
were clearly Kodesh in the Midbar,
that's what this price is saying.
It just means in three places the
were given at we like
but the themselves weren't actually
Kodesh until they came to Israel.
They weren't Kodesh in either because
you got to wait till you get to Israel.
But
but you said that they were Kodesh in in
Israel. So how do you reconcile that?
The were given at about in three
different locations. And in some of
these places they were actually Kodesh
while in some other places they weren't
Kodesh. And this is where we're going to
call it. Picking up with of Papa
for tomorrow's off.