Bechoros Daf 29

All right, Shabbas is daf. We're picking it up at the mishna at the very bottom of and one could say that even if you're not holding in today's daf is for you because we're getting off topic a little bit. Someone who takes money to be to inspect moment for and you can't take his word for it to go the animal because if you took money for it, maybe that's why he's saying you're allowed to and unless he is a moving over who was a very person apparently. They paid to check out whether or not independent of whatever the was. It was a flat fee for payment and six for the payment and therefore there wouldn't even be any kind of to be incentivized by the money because it's always going to be the same fee. Why do you pay more money for the on the moment for then for the high the bigger ones are bigger work. But inspecting the payment is not nearly as big of a deal. Then the mission said whether this was a or was the same amount of money. I get why he would get money when he says it's a mission cuz that's the that that point you're allowed to if he says it has no moment and therefore it's am I? Why is he taking any money? What does he do? What kind of benefit to the offer the person who hired him that he should have to pay for it. Cuz if you only take money when he says there's a moment there people are going to going to say hi to maybe this that he said is really a is really better than yeah and why was he because he got paid. So there's going to be a if you're telling me he's going to get money no matter how he told me there should also be a that he's actually saying the wrong thing when he says it has no moment cuz why I'm really people will say really that's the reason why he didn't want to be matter is maybe now have another chance because later on in 6 months maybe the animal will come back and he'll be able to now again charge money for it. So he's incentivized the other way. We're not going to be going to want to take money more than one time. People will still be to them. Because if he says that the is now maybe he's doing that in order to save himself the of having to do this again for free in the future. We're saying you can't charge the second time. Which answers number one maybe the is not to see the second time but rather if he does so he doesn't take money for it. And therefore he's not to go ahead and check the again. He can just turn down the offer second time. And the second answer says is because he's not going to make a false just for a little bit of convenience. I mean you got to give more credit than that. Let's say someone takes fee for judging a case. The is every makes his it sounds like step in and say his is not going to work. It's interesting cuz it's Robin of the which sounds like it's not just the entire in question but all of his prior are also possible cuz maybe if you took money for one case maybe he's been taking money for other cases. Let's say somebody takes money to say also in. Let's say the takes money for actually doing the or from being the with the the water meaning it's garnished and and the of the is like like regular ashes which don't count for anything. So let's say if when he's doing any of these kinds of services that was made to become and therefore the can no longer have his own because he's so the guy who made him become telling you like say he walked in a place where there was tumor or something. So, the person who needs the service of the coin Mahila or Mashka the circle, he can actually sustain the coin by giving him food and cool in the cup food and drink and give him the oil to anoint himself. He might have a second Machiavelli America and ride him on a donkey. The next nice circle I can pile and you can also give him the regular fee like a laborer. But, the point is you can't pay him extra money cuz then it's the same problem of paying for the mitzvahs of like the dinum of like Ladonna or being a or being a mumcha for the bachar. But, the coin got to live so you can take care of him in that regard. For the government of Nion and Meli, how do you know that you don't take payment for mitzvah-related services? I'm ready to do more rev the more crow rate limit to S him that my sure been who says I've taught you these things that I sent taught me that money began to fight and begin him just like me my sure been who was given it without any cost so too you're also given the terror without cost and therefore when you teach terror you should teach it also without charging money for it. Even though this is the car only talking about terror and we're talking about other mitzvahs but it could be this is kind of the fun the mental [clears throat] inside that we're learning from Talmud Torah that we can extrapolate to the other mitzvahs. Tanya Nami we also went to the brass cashier T Vani Hashim Ali Kai money began him a fight and begin him just like me my sure been who was taught terror without having to pay for it. So, too you can be taught terror without having to pay for it and therefore when you do mitzvahs to other people you also can't charge for it. We know I am surely more to begin him she only describe let's say if I can't find someone to teach for free that you might need to pay somebody to learn Talmud Lemer MS Kene. You got to purchase your terror. We know I am surely more to begin him how do we know that someone who had to pay to learn terror shouldn't say Kushim Shalimada T of Zara just like I had to pay to get my terror learned Kushim I am dinner of Zara so so too I should charge when I teach it to someone else tell me Lemer MS Kene the old team car. So, even if you had to pay for it you still can't charge somebody else. And then the mission I said that La Haza so La Kadish Memov if this coin takes money for these services Memov is Memora and Efra is Efra Makala. For the Gamara Viramini I got a steer cuz the mission Kadushin unknown has says I'm a Kadish the May Hatos be Efra Hatos. If someone is Kadish in Isha with May Hatos or Hatos or the Efra of the how is it clearly you can take money for the and for the because these things have value and because you can charge money for it I'm sure it's not a because in the mission which sounds like you can charge money for these services which the money that you're going to pay to bring it from your or to draw the water but the dish I'm just talking about potentially charging money for the actual of or the itself that is what that's what you're not allowed to charge for and they can because it's really if you look carefully it says our mission says for and for which is that the money is for that mix of itself but I don't know if I have to wait for which sounds like it hasn't even been mixed together yet they're separate the water and the are two different things and therefore the money that you're paying is really and therefore the potential fee that you could charge is really only for the transportation of these things you talk it don't have Then I said with all who say let's say you're the kind and therefore now you've kind of heard him so you and you need to pay him cuz he's losing money now that he's coming he can't have his so you can actually supply him with these and how can the kind himself do these if he himself is it's also for the kind to become in the first place and for the now we're talking about the base of the base of what's the whether there's any dead bodies there to the it's even possible to do it legally that all them base of the person can blow on the ground in front of himself in a base of you can walk that's how you can take care of it turning over to the base the hood of base of should need that a base of that was trampled down by a lot of people is going to be tough it makes the person who goes through their is a and would also allow the kind to walk through it or maybe our mission is not talking about at all but Thomas to lay me other kinds of Thomas where a kind does not really to come come contact the kind is not for him to be tommy tommy sherits or a tommy navela and therefore in such a matzev where he can't eat his truma but it's not usser in the first place and that's when you can compensate the cayenne. Then the mishna said in mahayo zokain markive al hamar if the one who's doing this aveda is an old person who can't walk you're allowed to put him on the donkey you can give him that kind of scar batola it's a ton we learned kapayal bottle the fee that you can pay the person who's doing the mitzvah for you is like a person who is a payal bottle like someone who's not working and he can be sustained. Amar bayah kapayal bottle shall usser melacha only from the kind of aveda that he is being bottled from that's what you can pay him. So like the mishna ha hoshid al bacharis if someone is hoshid and what are they hoshid for they're hoshid to actually do in inflict a mum on a bachar. So that kind of person is really hoshid ain't like him a menu basar tzivaim you can't even buy deer meat from him and there's no bachar by deer. So we're just saying we're afraid it could make it mixed together. V'lo airis ain avudim you can't buy the airis the hides of the animal that are not tanned. Rebbe Eliezer omer lechem menu airis shel nekeva because it could never become a bachar. V'ein lechem menu tzemer meluban v'tzai but you can't buy from him wool whether it was dirty or clean wool because that wool could have come from a bachar. Aval lechem menu tzivi u'begadim but you can buy from him the spun woollen thread and clothing made out of wool. And we'll see why in the gemara. So like the gemara you're not even allowed to buy deer meat from such a person who is hoshid to inflict mumin on bacharim. So like the gemara basar tzivaim why is that going to be usser because the michalef [snorts] b'de egla he might swap it for the meat of an egla which has a similar kind of a look as this deer meat. Then the mishna said v'lo airis she'ein avudim you can't buy these untanned air hides but sounds like avudim zavninan if they are tanned you don't have to worry about them coming from a bachar. So why aren't we hoshid for that why would we be mutar to buy from this guy? Like the gemara because the maysis the bachar have a lo have a tarach bay. If it was taka the airis of a bachar he wouldn't have taken the trouble to tan them to do that tanning process. Because the saffri is going to say to himself yishamu bay rabbonim matzli d'lomeini night if the rabbonim hear about the fact that I am a guy who inflicts mumin on these bacharim they're going to just take it all away from me so it's not good for me. It's too much It's too risky. Eliezer omer You can buy from this kind of guy in the cave of the guy because it's not good for him in the first place. It's only for him. Why is he maybe these are actually from he's just fooling everybody. You can tell the difference between the of a or but he holds in case of he if we're going to allow him to sell the in the cave of then even if he had a dick he could cut out that part near the of the and just tell everybody that this was from a but when he says, "Hey, why does this look like it's cut out over there?" Oh, that's because the the mice ate away at that area. That's why he had to cut it off to make it easier to sell. He says I'm not because maybe the other people can see the difference if it was eaten by mice or if it was just cut. Then the mission had said you can buy from this guy wool whether it's or whether it's dirty. There's no effort put into this kind of wool at all if it's still dirty, so clearly that would be more of a reason to be that he's lying. Everything is really all one case. If he took a bleach the wool from all of its from all the and dirt, that's the one that you can't buy. You can buy from him spun wool or clothing. Once the mission had tells us you can buy from him the thread there's a lot of effort there. That means different kinds of felt clothing which is not made out of spun threads, a different process. And therefore it needed its own All right, we're going to stop here and pick it up with the next mission up for Sunday's daf.