Bechoros Daf 24

All right, today's this is Monday's daf and we are picking it up with the zishna. Let's see you buy a nursing behemoth from a guy. So our question is going to be did this animal already give birth and if it's nursing well sure looks like it did. So you don't have to worry that the animal that it's nursing is not its own and it's just kind of doing a favor for some other animal. So you can assume that it's her own offspring and therefore this mother animal is no longer going to bear. If you now buy this animal and you see it give birth to another let's say you walk into your owner of animals and you see the ones that were meaning that just gave birth for the first time were nursing and the ones that had not just given birth for the first time are also nursing. They don't have to be worried that maybe the animal that's nursing is not its own animal. But rather you just assume that every parent animal is nursing its own child animal because since you didn't witness the birth itself you'd have no way of knowing which vlad are bakyus and which ones are not. So Shrim says you can assume that the newborns from a specific mother are nursing from that mother and therefore those are the and the ones that are nursing from the animals that were known to not give birth to the first time are not all these which are said like except for the times that there's going to be a was sleeping when he said this which is one of the more famous sharp lines that you find Rav and this is of course one of the examples of the kavasar in his famous chuva that goes through all the insults of shas in chuva nun bay where he goes to explain this line as well but the kash ahi which Mishna are you rav talking about that you need to tell us that we asking like you talking about the very beginning of this paricle that was between that's how we started this paric so that can't be it which is the second mishna we also don't need that because we already know that is kavani so we already have a reason to Paskkin like him. So that can't be where you're saying we should paskan like these. So that can't be where Rav is saying that we pascan like all the in this paric must be the one that we just said now. But that's not either we have a that we're about to expand on on about this that seems to go. So it must be the next mission that we're going to learn at the end of today's but he already told us this once. So he wouldn't need to tell us this a second time. must be the Rav's telling us the of the hair of a balm which is going to be the upcoming Mishna but that's also and Rob's not talking about where there's a so what in the world is Rob talking about must be talking about our Mishna the that you want to say that the Bryce is going to be arguing with the Mishna and therefore it's okay so Rob's telling us the fact that there's a different tana in the bry is not enough to say That's considered like moving over since nobody's arguing with Rav said that we go buster all the so why does he also need to say affairs that we specifically like that should be his statement and for the ifra would only have said that goes I might have thought that that rule is only but not going like and what would I have said that he meant when he said the whole per what's that referring to because there were two suck of we'll see about taking the hair from a bkar's neck to be able to and also taking the hair from akar to be from plug and I could have also said that a based on a is considered a plug so that's good for what was came talking about it's good for the that we don't with a to say that there's a now my this coming what is it and here we go because the says you do that it's not being from its own mother an animal can sometime have on another baby animal even though she herself did not give birth to it we can assume that that is the other animal. If you go into your own at night and you see 10 or 15 animals, some that have given birth to their first vad and some that have not and all of these 10 or 15 animals are giving birth now. They're all in labor. And the next morning you see some newborn male babies nursing from the ones that had not just given birth their first vad. You see the female newborn animals nursing from the ones that had just given birth to their first ones. So that would be a mat of nokar in that entire you don't have to worry and there's no here. So there you have your between and the Bryson. Now this we can assume it's the mother animal nursing its own young it's not going to have on some random animal unless it gave birth to it. But it sounds like maybe the animal will only have on its own. It ain't its own. It is not going to have on it. So what difference does it make? It's gonna be from because the animal that's nursing has already now given birth. What's the difference whether or not it'll have this rahas and bean another kid? And for the garam milk, it's important to know who the mother and parent animal is because of the malus potential for then lucky because then it was definitely a mother child relationship. But if we're willing to say that it would have and nurse some child that's not its own, then lay lucky because you don't know. will bring from our Mishna and therefore it's but the question is it's not really a because Mikani who does the Mishna say that we're not worried about it is not the other animal that we're not concerned that it was the vot of another animal. So why does the mission talk about invar but the mission means to say is we're not that maybe this little baby animal is the product of a different animal and the one that's nursing is still shing because who does the mission really say that we're not that it is not from another animal we're saying that we're not that it was a lot from another animal so why is the mission When you buy an animal from a we don't that is the product of that mother animal and that the mother that's being manic is not going to still be shy to having a barl unless you already knew that there was a previous vlad from that mother animal. In other words, even if that little nursing animal is not her own, it'll still potter the mother because it's clear that she produced some vlad already, even if it wasn't this particular vlad. Okay. But bring arrive from the end of the Mishna. If you go into your own and you see all animals nursing, some mother animals that had given birth for the first time, some that had given birth from other times zoo. You don't have to worry. They mix and match. And to that shouldn't be since all these were mothering animals that all had given birth. Let's be they mixed and matched children here. And therefore we have to look at every one of these little baby animals as a sufficar. So vice dice from the safe of the mission you can see clearly that an animal will never nurse another vlad even if it's already a mother and had given birth already to which the gar says I don't have arrive from that cuz if it's in the same place where her own vladis are there she's not going to nurse other vlades when her own offspring are present but when her own offspring aren't there then yeah she might actually nurse another kidspring arrived from the bryce that we said beforehand that said things stay with you assume that this is by the case of the 10 or 15 animals that you have in your deer. Some have given birth for the first time, some have not. We can assume that all the vladise came to their own parents and it makes it into a vanar for the other animals. So my ration shouldn't we assume that since it says that the ratio of this brace should be like the same of the saf that just like was talking about vi that it's definitely that the one that it's nursing is definitely its own. So also in the first it's talking about buying the nursing animal from the gym would say the one that's being manic from the behemoth is definitely its own offspring which says you can't bring a riot and say just because the end of the bre is this way the ratio of the brace is this way you could split it why does it say end similarly which implies it would be the same that's only that they are the same in that way you can't necessarily say it's all the same like the safe of the Mishna says Let's say you have this little piglet that is nursing from a sheep. Now you got two choices. You either have a very confused pig or it's a nidma and it was born but it just looks like a pig but it's not really a regular pig. So the is that we can assume is a mother and had given birth and the pig is user to eat until comes and tells us that you can. Now let's go through this. If you're telling me that the sheep is going to be put from hilar so come on who's that going like which implies that it gave birth to this but yet that pig-l lookinging creature is going to be user like raan who argue with that it's a traa animal that will come along and hang out with a different mothering animal so you're kind of straddling the fence here you're saying that one is like but the other is not and the sue is hard to understand what is saying why why are we saying that this is going to be user to eat comes in pask until we find out what really happened. Why are you coming on? This is a question not question. We just got to know the facts. And if you tell me then you got another problem because you can't pot the mother if it's only a sophic. It should be a sophic at that point. If you tell me is really about this except for those three specific cases which is or the get that was given in the city of or the you can overturn a but the point is that since hold that is always going to go like so you should assume that this is definitely the offspring of this and therefore you should be allowed to eat it and for the garamita You're right. He does. What he's about is whether holds that an animal that had given birth already will still have ramonus on a different animal's blood or it won't. So if you're telling me that's his sufficer, why are you even talking about? If I see with a I should be misopic and his suffix shouldn't have been about this issue at all but rather it should have been whether or not you could get malus for it's a much more of a basic kind of a question and for the wanted to convey a particular but I mean if it would only been a case of that was nursing from the I might have thought that even if you want to hold that holds that an animal that had given birth already will still be on another animal that's only because it's demeina similar kind of specy but delay mean but not if it's a different kind of min and therefore we must assume that this is not really a kazer at all but rather it's just a nidma and therefore we could be m it's because if it was actually truly a different min meaning a real khazer would not nurse it therefore is telling us says by aer that's nursing from the even if that little baby animal based on the way it looks is not the same men we can't assumed that it isid. It could be that the mother animal because it had already given birth is sometimes has to another minor this is like what had said boy turning over what if you see a pig that is to the and nursing from it what's so my boy what's the whether or not the subsequent are going to be considered so says each one of these is specifically to the case of the which is nursing from the rael and not a case of a nursing [clears throat] but still but not if it's its own kind maybe even it will have on something that's not from its own men and therefore it could actually be aer and therefore the next vlad that comes from this rael is going to be a sufficar and eating this thing that looks like a pig will be but that'll only be deina where it's its own kind but therefore we have to assume that this is actually aid and it's going to be to eat and therefore it's an actual pig and is all going to be next and you want to clear the area on the neck so you could do the better that's how Rashi learns because you want to avoid a problem Dis doesn't quite like that. But whatever the reason why you want to clear away the hair is you could part the hair from either side of that area. You can even pull out the hair. And we'll see in the Gmorra. This is not going to be a problem of the Giza as long as you don't move the detached hair from its mo. Also the same thing. If you're trying to investigate a mum and you got to pull out the hair also no problem. Ben Micha they asked Rauna. What about in the parallel case? If you want to go ahead and sh the regular animal on Yamiff, can you pluck out the hair in order to make room for the area because to say it's by which is specifically it'll be because a problem. You can't pluck out the hair. Maybe it'll be it's all the same thing. So what is the by regular and then based on that I'll be able to ask whether or not that can be extended all the way to shua they went and asked and he said to them this is what said and after that and he said to them it is also going to be motor because it's all the same issue and shame is going to be and we'll stop here and pick it up with at Mami for Tuesday's