Bechoros Daf 21

All right. Today is Friday and we're going to pick it up now. Seven lines from the bottom of so now this is going to be in reference to messer behema where the is only maer animals from that same year right as we know from the first Mishnaash that rash is the sha for messer behema because every single year you reset the clock of which animals could be muser for other animals. So now we're going to talk about a situation where where an animal was able to give birth to multiple generations within the same year giving it now a whole flock that you can now be master from. So the case is the this one little nanny goat one little kid had three females and then those three females each one of those three female offspring each had three more equaling a total of nine. So add those nine to the three mother animals now we have 12. So now all 12 go into that deer that pen to be and adds to that. I saw that all happen within that year. So since we know it has to be within the same year in order for there to be and be able to be miss. So this of course is now going to be to the between and about when you buy this goat from a guy and it now had a zer according to it's a vad but according to bishu it's a suffic because maybe the animal gave birth already or had tenf earlier now frank on this bryce why did have to give me a case where these triplet daughter goats now each had three more making a total of 12 one of those triplets could have also only had one of those goats the other one could have had two each cuz then you'd have a total of 10 and that would still prove the same point that all 10 could be as one group and for the okay since one of them needed to have triplets gave that the simple case for all of them so you can't be mad from that well why do I need any of them to have three each one of them can have two and then let one of those mother animals have another one along with them so then you can get to the total of 10 you still don't have to have triplets so moving over to my flame Maybe that's the because a goat that is can't go back and have more of that same year within that same year of the ten and we're equating here an actual lea to the tenf because they're essentially the same idea but you don't really have to say that even if you want that a goat that is can go ahead and have more that same year but if it has a fullterm birth is not going to Because a fullus is definitely going to be more traumatic to the animal physically than just the tino. So this price is not neg since we're talking about actual birds over here and not just now getting back to that price. So that I saw this happened. So what's been adding more than what the tanak already said to which the says you remember from yesterday this whole gamar is now going to parallel yesterday's verbi if you remember said yesterday that the a that is matan won't want to mate for 30 more days and therefore it's a tight that they're not going to have any more valad for the rest of that tufa. So if you hold of Zeri's hala that it's not going to want to mate for 30 more days then on a case where the three mother goats themselves on the final day of their sixth month it will be telling whether or not you hold to determine if they can be in the same year or not it's not going to want to mate for 30 days but whether or not you can have less than a full pregnancy. That last day, do we look at it as a full day or not? How do we count it? And a fourth mahal that is going to be new for us for today is can this man an animal that is not yet 8 days old can go into the deer? That's going to be an independent shila. Turning over to we learned this idea that the man can be from the following we look at just like even though it's not 8 days old it's already for its carbon and you actually bring that carbon later on it's also even before it's 8 days older correct the garb instead of learning from me from let's learn from regular which you can't make them heishman they are not old enough and for the garb have it makes more sense that would tie together micer to bkar we have the following uniquenesses that only exist between and messer as opposed to kachum which is tamuras is a reference to how you are p animals are similar is the fact they're even though they are both could be bal they're going to have the same by tum And that a bkar and a messer beha animal once they've developed a mum can be eaten without padia meaning a bar the kay will eat it in the case of messer the bum will eat it as opposed to any other kinds of kajum but the mar says may have leaf I'll give you uniquenesses between micerma and regular kajum shain zadesha z meaning that both messer and kachum are both for males and females whereas is only for males kadesh is that both messer and kachum are not immediately kadesh but as opposed to a bkar which comes out of the already kadesh matanis that neither mser or kajim are matnus kahuna and they're eaten by the bum klam is eaten by the bum and messer beha is a subcategory of schlamim as opposed to a bkar that's given to the cayenne and lastly it's posh meaning micser and kochim are neg to all animals firstborn and non-firstborn as opposed to bkar that's only a firstborn not a pit so I got four and four there's no logical reason why put me together it's why he learns from now this we've been talking about the whole time what is it it's this kind of a discharge that the roy the shepherds of of tlosa would say that there's some sort of some suppression in the womb. it's bubbling blood something some other kind of discharge and you should show this to a to determine whether or not it was the remains of an aborted fetus or not or if it's just very interesting question how would happen to know he's never trained in these things when we say we don't mean we mean an expert because sometimes you got to go to the professionals to understand this zoology or whatever it is this that we say that only after 40 days a fetus is considered a fetus before that call it a it's not really a person yet of so how does that work when it comes to animals because when we're looking at this tino we're saying that this was potentially a but how long does it take until it kind of changes status into a soay this is actually what was talking about so it's got to be 30 days that's not true is not talking about when the vlad is going to be viable or when it's looked at that that's talking about when the female animal is willing to be again with the male animal and therefore we don't have a for that. Now getting back to the idea of our Mishna if you're buying an animal from a guy and you don't know whether it had already given birth but what's gonna be the ifid buys another animal from another. Now, of course, if the id was around to ask, we could just ask him because but we're assuming that the is not around. And now the question is, is it going to have the same status in about the animal? So, the first one born to the guy who bought the animal is definitely going to be because if it had already been had the animal given birth in the first possession, he would have bragged about this. Why would he brag about it? that is either he's bragging because this animal is not giving birth to aar and therefore you're going to be off the hook from giving aar or because he's saying how it's a healthier animal because it was able to give birth. So he would have bragged about it deals with the issue of whether or not a would be if he's talking about the health of the animal and we want to extrapolate from that about but he argues and says no the first one born to the is going to bear because maybe the seller thinks that the is just buying it and therefore he's not going to brag about its ability to have given birth already and the first animal that's born to this is definitely it's not a ma Because if the animal had not yet given birth since there's a potential is here the seller would have certainly been right they take care of each other that that new animal that's born to the is going to be because the price says this is in reference now if the didn't tell the he sold the parent or the offspring on that same day we don't have to worry about it because he would have told him well well then maybe this is because because it seems Now we have a saying that the animal should be and for the nos it's on the seller to be the but here it's always going to be on the lake to find out whether or not the animal had already now before we stop I'll just share with you an entertaining shila that asks over here which is a pretty big stretch to say it's but he says it over here regarding being people to do a he tells a story about two seminary girls who were speaking lashar about a kala that if if the knew about what this girl is really like, he would have never been masked him to the and a rebbitson was sitting on the bus listening to these two girls speak. So she turned around and said, "Oh wow, girls, thank you so much for telling me about this girl because my son is the and now I'll make sure to break off the shik. I appreciate you being my dear me this information." And the girls were horrified. Oh my gosh, maybe we exaggerated. No, no, he's he's I'm sure she's a really good girl. Don't break off the shik. And then the rebbit admits, "No, no, I'm just lying. It wasn't true. I wasn't I'm not the mother of the here. I just was pointing out to you how terrible is and if Zilberstein asks did this rebbitson do the right thing or the wrong thing al the sheer alley I know us he ultimately pus it's totally fine what she did because she did it for all these good reasons to prevent them from doing is okay we'll pick it up with the mishem for shabaf