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Bechoros Daf 2
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All right, daf bay era of yipper daf as
we get to begin this two-month journey
of makus and we're going to start the ma
talking about the mitzvah where the Tory
tells us you ideally should be p the
firstborn donkey with the sheep or the
goat and if you don't then you have to
kill the kamar but this kamar will be
kadesh as soon as it comes out from its
mother but that is only going to be true
if it comes from a Jewishowned animal if
it's a gish animal it's not going to as
we're going to learn more about now
there is a just to kind of keep in mind
that the discuss this that it has to be
a Jewish owned animal Is that because it
can't be the G or because it needs to be
the Jews? You can hear a right. Maybe
the Gisha ownership is Mafia or it
really has to be owned by then of course
would be is there going to be by heer
that would be telling that Shiloh. Okay.
So
let's say you buy this unborn which is
still inside the mother animal from a
guy. And now the mission is going to
list a bunch of more cases which is
going to have a similar outcome in
let's say you sell your own unborn
donkey to a guy which you're not allowed
to do as we're going to learn more about
because you can't sell any to a guy or
somebody who goes into a partnership
deal with a guy that you jointly own
this donkey together or someone who's to
take care of this from the guy. So
really the guy is the owner of the
animal and the yid is just taking the to
deal with it. Or about nice and let's
say the yid gives his donkey to a guy so
that the guy should take care of it. In
all those cases why because
there was a whole long list in this
Mishna which all seem to say the same.
So Frank the garam call. Why do I need
multiple cases to tell me the same that
it has to be owned by aid? And for the
if the Mishna only told me the first
case of buying that unborn fetus from
the guy,
I might have thought it's only because
he's bringing this uber to a mata of
kadusha. Now when we say kadusha means
more like a status. Now what's that
status? Because as Rashi says he can't
work with such an animal on chabas. So I
might have thought that since the person
did something positive because now he
somehow has protected this futureb born
animal that will not have to worry about
shabas because of that positive
activity. So there's no reason to punish
this guy and therefore we could just be
that the guy's ownership of the mother
is mafia the kaducious Rashi calls it
the mitzvah of it. We're not going to
con him. Now the mubet is printed on the
page over here. If you look at it he
asks on rashi. What are you talking
about? The lian kadusha wouldn't be shy
to the fact that it can be shabas on
chabas and also what are we to go ahead
and buy up animals from gam in order to
prevent them from working on chabas.
Remember the animal has no problem
working on chabas. It's the owner of the
animal who can't work the animal. And
the way the shittita understands the
garment is
because when you buy it from the guy now
you're being into so that kind of a mile
maybe that's a reason not to conson the
person but back to the but if you're
selling your own fetus of this to the
according to rashi because the shabas
and according to the because
maybe inami he should have the and
therefore he should have the and
therefore even though there is going to
be aur of the but the mness of having to
give it to the kay we should still have
him do one. The Mishna tells us that
even this sale of the unborn is always
going to be put. Okay, let's go to the
third case now.
The partnership with the guy.
So now we need our Mishna to tell me not
likely.
What about the fourth case of of being
the donkey from the to take care of it
and for the
okay?
Why do I need that case?
since in such a case really the whole
animal is owned by the and therefore
that's a real case where we should
actually this owner and give the status
of this
because
people will come to confuse it with
another animal where the guy has no to
it and therefore they could come out of
therefore the mission tells us we don't
do such a and he's still going to be
putter because of the involvement of the
guy we learned in the mission of
does matter. This that we talk about the
is of selling a to a guy
is an animal that has broken legs
because you can't work with it and
therefore you don't have to worry about
the whole problem. What's the whole
problem? If you remember from the
garnora because the whole problem is
that the guy is going to do work with
the animal on chabas and even though
there's no problem with a guy doing work
with this animal on chabas but if a yid
was allowed to sell a behemagasa to a
guy you might also come to rent or lend
the animal to a guy and in that case the
yid still is the owner. So when the guy
go does the work with the animal on
chabas the owner is now
the animals do [clears throat] have to
rest. So now getting back to our dinner
is because the animal can't work and vis
allows a horse because horses are not
usually used for the kind of work that
would be in the first place. horses are
used to ride on them. That's only going
to be avoid
is only because the animal has this
physical limitation and therefore can't
do the work on chabas. So
in the same way the can't do any work so
maybe there should be noer.
It's not normal for av and therefore
it's going to be outside of the realm of
our
it is normal for the uber in its
development to not be able to work and
therefore it won't have that status of
being a shoe
if you sell your donkey's uber to a
even though you weren't allowed to
argue seems to be masking with the
Mishna that you're not allowed to sell
an Uber to a there you have your
fracting that's
What about what the mission then says
that we don't see that argues over
there? You're going to tell me, "Oh,
vice he doesn't argue." We know that
Huda argues in those cases. We're going
to bring a Bryce Buffer that says Rauuda
argues with that part of the Mishna.
He of course argues it just doesn't say
so in the Mishna.
All right. Tash try to bring a ride from
another Bryce which is going to speak
out that which we just quoted.
If you accept an animal from a guy and
it gives birth,
we assess the value of that newborn
animal
has to give half of that value to a
because there's a here. He has to give
his because as we need to keep in mind
argues with our Mishna that the is not
from and therefore if you have a with a
half of it is to be given to the
and if one gives his own animal to a to
take care of it even though you're not
allowed to do that because you're not
allowed to give a to a guy
you have to give to get it back even if
it's going to cost up to 10 times its
value but of you got to give the entire
value of that animal to the cen turning
over time. So my uber in that case,
can't we say we're also talking about
the Uber and we have a riot to which is
lema
and do is talking about the uber as
opposed to the female mother. All right.
So change it her value of the if the B
is talking about the animal itself
to the mother animal has to be talking
about the the to give the entire value
to the cayen. And there you have a it's
user to give the uber to the guy. Even
according to thean
going to yave bea mabar leatuma. We're
talking about giving the guy a pregnant
animal to fatten it up. And the deal was
that they're going to divide equally the
profit the extra fattitude. that
appreciation due to the fattening in
addition to the Uber. So that kind of a
mativ is certainly user because the
is going to have a partial ownership in
the mother animal and therefore deina
because that's going to be a problem
uber it gets rolled along with it but
inamiuda in a regular case may not have
a problem selling just the uber itself.
It's only when it's agab the mother
which was user now
bring from the following
is
because it can't heal but will be
an uber naturally will become healed
because it will grow etc. So what do you
see from the Bri saida that is taker to
sell the uber to the guy according to
and now we have a different lion of
almost exactly the same thing
as opposed to an independent it's more
of a from our mission
if you sell the Uber of the donkey to
the guy even though he's not allowed to
do that
because we learned
and since the mission says that an uber
which is just like avur cannot be sold
to a guy must be is not going like
because love but uber Let's bring arrive
from the review
because the owns half and we're going
according to distributor that you got to
give it to the
implying the Uber. Talking about the
mother,
the mother.
So the second almost is exactly the same
thing. It's just asking from the Mishna
as opposed to having it as an
independent question. Okay. More about
the selling gases to a guy.
Let's say I want to sell to a guy this
of an Uber that will come. Do we also
the to buy it back and that's going to
be
because
selling
because it's not going to get confused
with a regular healthy animal. But to
sell a regular healthy animal for its
future ubers dos maybe oma maybe I'll
tell you mash deam the shv has no sh to
the original mer once it's done he's not
retaining anything and despite the fact
that it's such a final sale or huda
still says it's going to be okay in mut
let's say he retains the ownership of
the animal but he's only selling the of
the more of a reason that it stays by
the id and therefore it should be mut to
do it because he's not selling as much
and likewise explains the boy raon well
it's the sh according
because
why do they sell because at that point
there's a finality. It's completely
separated from the owner and therefore
it looks like a real sale which is
always user but a regular healthy animal
for its Uber delay because it's still
connected to the seller. So maybe
because there's no confusion
which cannot be confused with the sale
of a regular healthy
and therefore there's more of a reason
to answer it.
Is that the reason that the kazal asked
the sale of avur because of this ivany
the says
the raon said to yudv
the reason why they're selling this shva
is because they're going to mate this
shva with another animal and it's going
to give birth so
the whole reason that the raon as the
shva because of the ultimate uber that
it's going to have so clearly according
to the raon the reason why they were
assuring selling the shv is not because
of the aluf but because of the ultimate
uber So this is what were saying
we hold that the whole problem of
selling because with a healthy animal
why are you going
we're assuming the is because since the
animal is not going to get healed from
its legs are not getting better so
therefore it's being sold for and you
don't have to worry about people making
a confusion with another healthy animal
because it's going to get But let us but
the shur can still give birth and they
are going to mate it with another animal
is not going to but rather keep it
around for the purpose of breeding more
animals and what to say back to the raon
when she gives birth you can answer it
meaning she's never going to give birth
the isid
so maybe there's over here between but
that's the way to understand this
dialogue between the raon and of course
in notab
There's no reason for problem. Let's
bring a ride from Aramishna nice and if
the kid gives his donkey to the guy to
take care of it
and it doesn't say anything about even
though you weren't allowed to do it
sounds like it's mut to do such a
transaction even though the gy is going
to have the in the animals vad because
that's going to be the deal. So
basically that should be a ria that you
can sell the guy the of a future Uber to
which the says based on that what are
you gonna say if you go into a with a
guy also didn't say that you're not
allowed to do that you can't mix
we don't want the guy to actually have
to make because let's say they have a
financial dispute and you're you're
going to be making the guy swear and the
guy is going to use if he deserves his
name in the swearing
which over here if you jump over to the
typhus this is an important typhus
regarding
meaning at the time of tyus about the
Christianity whether or not is
considered classically in a deseat
when the Mishna was talking about even
though you're not allowed to do that it
was only talking about the actual sale
meaning the Mishna's second case but it
also meant also
on this
why did the case of as opposed to the
other cases
that's the primary was talking about and
not these other cases but in it applies
to the other cases as well this is where
we get to call it and sometime on Sunday
I will post y kipper's daf