Bechoros Daf 16

All right, DA test Zion. This is Sim Tyrus Daf. We're picking it up at the top line Omar. This is going back on the second part of the Brya that was mirroring the same style as the Mishna that ain't nift when they are they should not be and you can't decide to pick any carbon you want for those. So the if it's aim you're not allowed to be but you could be pedal and but of the mama's carbon that she was intended for then that Vlad could go for that kind of carbon and do employ those from the where you decide what kind of carbon this unborn fetus should go for and after they're born you can redeem once they become so this is that we saw in yesterday's d have to be left to die because there's nothing you can do with them you can't solve the problem with any other way so is not like you know what would say a nift you really are stuck even after becomes you can't be of aim it's just the same lotion but you can't be mad so the fact that the safe of the bryer says It'sim is just the same kind of but we're not only limiting it to even are notifable but really the cannot be used for any other carbon even the same kind of carbon as the mother was the brace and the is because the only time for is if it was to be brought in the bdash but since this is a it's not to be brought and therefore you're not like ourim And he said by talking about the kind of mum that wouldn't really the carbon because it's only this cataract in the eye it's not really going to ple the carbon then the br said and it's that was made after the dies my time because what are you supposed to do with this thing to bring on you can't because it's coming from this weaker kind of kadusha because a tumor can't be more than the actual carbon itself it's coming from. So even though this itself is an animal that has no and therefore potentially it's still considered a kad and you can't do a if it is not strong enough to the money and that's different than so is but the to the is not and therefore is just going to have to die. Why can't it be eaten as a balm by its own bumulkar? Why should this be any different? Meaning the of this behema why should be any different than the tumor of a mer which you are allowed to eat as a balm by its own that's not as the mission says in they're allowed to be eaten. Zesame olive. The original bkar or micer still has its shame emoi which means to say that carbon that the tumura was intended to substitute is already on it and the zes shame olive and also this one the original carbon healum was also had its shame on it. But zoolasar but this one is called inansen the tumur of a miser. So it takes on that same property the love in this one has the same name as it and therefore it's called the of this carbon therefore but this of this it does not have kadusha strong enough to get a in the first place and therefore it has no choice but to die. How do you know the tumor of these puldashim meaning it was already nifa this animal that became a balm that it's left to die tom is tame that the pusk that lists all these different animals that don't have both sim is considered not kosher and the fact that the pusk ends off that it's tame which is a you don't have to say that we're going to dash that part of the puzza of a behemoth that was nifa that you can't bring as a carbon I we needed that already for the name is Kamehsh that aged out after that first year that was lost and replaced. It's the acronym of but anyway those me that's what we need to have the to teach me so and for the gam because the me are coming from the other words in the pal that's also borne out in the par etc etc that's the puss that lists all those animals but now fractur why do we even need a m You don't need a puzzle to teach it. Or if that's the way Rashi learns the Rambam won't say is potentially a different category according to the that's how you get out of the by even though according to the Rambam there's no such thing as anyway why do I need to have a coming tell you specific that has be and that you could be that's a specific that's also a mess is so I don't need to have a PK for that either. I do need it for those famous five. So I need both a and the mess and only had the you have to let it graze until it gets a mum and then you can be and eat it tells us that it has to die. If I only had the I would have thought that then if it would happen to be that someone ate from one of these then maybe there's only going to be an is but not really a there really is a in the to eat from them or I'll tell you the puss's coming to tell me something that comes from the malle meaning the of these nift to something that we can be mak to something that has the split hood meaning those that misa in other words to kufa to tell me this drasha that's why I need to have the pusk in order to create that heish now I didn't mention it earlier but the top tyus is an important typhus because typhus is going on the garra of tumas mesa that this animal even after pion has to die and tyus wants to know why is it any different than vlades because vlades are considered like a so vlades are a product of this mother meaning the kum that have m so why should they be so different than a tumura both of them are products from the original animal and Tyus says between Vladice and Tamura that a Vlad has no kaduca only but Tamura's kaduca is bahi at least that's the gear that we have it's in it which sounds like the kaduca of a tamura licked inside that original animal obviously that's the kind of line that's going to have major import when we get more into tamura to understand the lumbness of when you're transferring the kaduca is it a new den of kaduca or is it the original kaduca the stipler goes on this tyes to explain it and the eucal has problems with the stiper But be aware of this topus. Now let's pick it up with the next. This is getting back now into the so let's say you have a business arrangement with a guy but it's a barzel. You know we're used to the idea of but the idea is the same. It's ironclad in the way that you're always giving back the principle. Meaning whether or not the business deal works out the one who's doing the investment doesn't want to lose on that which he's giving. So you have to give back the investment as saying Barzil. And if that's the arrangement you have with the guy turning over to Banin the from that animal that was your are going to be that's enough to have the of the as part of this deal but the anch of that animal are going to be if the yid swapped out the original barel animals with the mother's vladise well then the anacl now go down only one generation they'll still be putter from But [clears throat] the meaning the fourth generation are going to be they're always going to be because since there's like a lean or however you'd say it, you know, there's some kind of a financial stake in even the no matter how many generations have passed. Next, this is referring to a nid. So the sheep gave birth to what looks like a goat or the other way around. But if it shares similar then it will be for regarding this of as long as the bum of the barel animal has not received money. Sounds like it still stays in the rash of that investor and that's why the gaisha ownership if you will will the but it doesn't work out with the mission of mitsia because verminu you can't accept an investment of barel from another ribbis because it looks like ribbis big shila based on tyus whether or not it's going to be dice durabon but it's certainly going to be user because if you're giving back that principle and the additional profit share it's going to look more like ribbis so but the point is that those are going to be given to the recipient and that's why giving it back creates a ribbous problem. Aramish is talking about where the bum took upon himself all of its meaning if it depreciates or if there's an happens to it he took more of but the case over there in where you're not taking on any kind of extra back to I got a couple of the took upon himself all this extra you're not going to call it barel at that point it's just not the right kind of definitions of terms based on what you're saying how can our mission make such a generalistic memo about when it depends on the kind of also instead of the end of that mission like we should have been talking about what's the case that's really should be the operative not whether or not it's so I got a different shot we're not taking that kind of level of but the reason why there's is because since if the guy was going to come and the money and the would not give it to him the guy would now take back his original investment of the animal if he wouldn't find that animal he would take its because that's the case therefore now that bl of so just because of that potential possibility of the guy acting upon his So that's enough. Then the mission said if the yid swaps out the for the mother. So that is now the original animals are from but the third generation similar. Now we're going to ask tonight we learned in our Mishna but it's only because swapped out those second generation instead of their mother button is talking about a case where the did do the swapping even if the does the swapping because it was the normal ish a minig for the to take the dice and therefore one might think that all of these different generations of animals should be from because we kind of expect the guy to collect on all these but yet we still treat it as if there was no swapping and and therefore the is that the are from but the fourth generation are going to be forkar we'll stop here and pick it up with next I'm