Bechoros Daf 12

All right. Today is daf the Wednesday of we are picking it up from a new Mishna the top of your balishna this that we know that you can beam with a the is pretty specific you can't do it with a cow she says the animal can't be it's not going to die on its own because of a traus like she says which is a suffic Now, it's important to point out as Rashi will on the Gumra that of course you can always use if it's of equal value to the that we saw multiple times already in the gar beforehand. But this mission is talking about where it's not worth as much as the that you could swap it out with the se and do the pigeon with the se. That's when that se is a but not an egg. But verbi since the mother animal over here is a because in this kim animal there is a but still suffic by a koi because a koi might 100% be considered a kaya and totally not be okay for the pigeons. Let's say the bum gave the to a without doing the pigeon. So now the ken has this animal that needs pigeon. So the isafish the kayen can't just call it a day and keep the he now has to be a otherwise he's going to have that same on the parish on the of makes the point that this is different than the lion we have by the bum. And it could be that there really is no is for the kayen to actually keep the kamar in its user status. He's just not allowed to be na from it but he's not technically doing anything wrong by not being paid or that discusses that issue money who's the t of our mishna and for the gamorra it's the tana that's named after a yakwaki song benbag. So we're the two by the carbon all of the kinds of things in our Mishna. So all these different things but now let's see if we could take it to its logical end just like it has to be it has to be meaning and it has to be only one year old. So to that we dash in tiffa ta the double lotion of ta that reeba that were marba animals that are not zer to include it in a caum or an older animal to also be used to do the pigar practa if you're telling me that we're using tift for the reafili why stop only by the three things of older than one year even all the other things that were meaning should also be to allow them to be used for the pig and for The garan then the whole heckish two carbon pes would have no purpose. But now the gumar is going to give us four shilus that'll take us through today's da three on one on om bay boy mahu lift ben pakua a ben pakua which is a living fetus inside of a gash animal. We know the is it does not require a so the sh can you use such a benu to bear mayor mayor Benita according to mayor who requires by it is a full-blown and you can use it for like why wouldn't you be able to according that doesn't need its own what's going to be the shila is itraul is it like meat in pot rashi's over here dummy. So it's already like it's and our Mishna said that you can't use for since it's running around karina bay and perhaps another way to look at this sham could be the we talked about even when we learned by Benua that do we say that according to that you don't need a ben pakua is that because it's considered like it's gash or it doesn't need there's a big difference there if it's gashan then it's aut but if it doesn't need you're not necessarily going to call it aut so marza You can't bear with why do you say pesak? Because why? Because you learn it from carbon pesak that just like a pen pakua can't be used for carbon pes. So too you can't use a penua for well those other kinds of things which we are not shpping over from carbon. to which Marzucha says just like we said beforehand the double of says that even an animal that doesn't have those meaning it could be or something that's older than one year old then why can't be even to say you could do the with it so they stick with their mleus we have no masa to this e boy and now we move on to our second shila e boyid now a nidme is an animal that is mutant It does not look like its parents. The mother and the father animal are both of one species, but the vlad looks like a different one. And what's exactly the shila? And let's break it down. According to our Mishna, there's no sh because if you can do a with an animal where both parents are from different species. So where they're both of the same species, for sure that should be okay. I hold you can't use a killay animal for opinion. So what's the shila? Because on one hand you could say park maybe it's only the kion that you can't do the pinion benid so bring arrive from the following bry a cow has a goat or one could say it's not really a goat it just looks like a goat but what looks like a goat came out of a cow is in python you can't use this kind of a to bear it's mashma though that if a sheep gave birth to something that looks like a goat then python you could use it because it was only a problem that you couldn't use the para because a par could never be used for pigon But the shelves could so it can't bear because he's even you could do it with a so certainly with aid. So you see according to that could be used for to which the says because and the reason why the BC is not is because the Bryce didn't need to tell us of coming from an a because that wasn't the point of the Bryce when the Bryce is coming to tell us the itself by the cow because we don't go buster its own appearance and its own surah and say therefore that this product of the cow that looks like a goat is a goatil buster eay go buster the mama eaglehoo and this animal's mother is a cow so that's the point of the bryera it's not there to tell us that a rul is going to be somehow kosher tshma let's bring a ride from this bry tunnel a killay is an example of klay so the mother's a sheep and the father's a sheep and it gave birth to a so the obvious question if the father is also a sheep then it's not kayim if anything it's nitmu you're mislabeling this kind of creature cuz it came out looking like a goat but both parents are sheep that's not kim that's not a hybrid that's nidomar what the bryson means to say is what's to a case of kimon which therefore the raon treat it like kim that's going to be so this is and the says because the is similar to kim we're going to treat it like so in what ways treated like that's going to be pussle for because it's like so from the same that may you could also be nidma just as easily. So you're not learning it from kion you're learning from the pusk itself as the bry says shv by carbonus it has to be either a sh or av which is o is in the says or a goat and we data nid so you see from the fact that we're not being the fact that it's dion but from the itself in the if you want to say the nidm compared to aim that's also not using the fact that it's to aim because the tyr said it's not a unless its mother is going to be the sh and it's also a which is a nidm. See it's not because it's bar because of the pik itself. Ella laer must be that the raon are comparing a nidma to a klay regarding the pur of messer but also that's not true because it has its own pa the bryce is telling us of petamar that just like klay can't be used for petamar so too nidma can't be used for petamar so then finally we've arrived at Aria that nidma won't work for petamar but thear says it's not a riot because leila leiser really this bracelet that's comparing nidmma to kime is for hilaser ah we had a pik that was going to be a mite already No some of the simum of its mother it had and therefore that the messer is learned from Bakar in the sense that just like a nidma that has some of its mother's characteristics is also so messer comes to Bryce and tells us that it's just like that it's going to be put and it'll be nismay from micser and again no masa from this shila and now our third shila ibu can you be paid with for example that you were with cash and now it's no longer so now this disqualified payment that's no longer heish can I use it for so I'll leave it in general the is according to and therefore you could certainly be paid it withd because as we're going to see soon in the gam if mukdash would taka not be able to be used for praar It's because the itself is so that can't be going like but and now what's the sher maybe the is can't be on this which is already since that of the is not going to move over to the animal that's doing the pad right it doesn't absorb all the isurum of the petar itself the is afu isuru Maybe that misipedia just takes away from the there's no transference happening and therefore you can even use. So now the is going to actually be push of braider of kahana is it so of that which is written by that you can't use because the context of that is talking about that even just like so once the terra saying that have a and we know that can't be used so and turning over even who holds that is still you can't use it with because it's so for our first two sh we had but this third one is very clear you cannot use for and the fourth and final shil of the day can I now bear with an animal that was bought with peris meaning pairs that were grown during the year which now has So now talk to about the Shiloh if it's definitely because the Tyra says that they're yours to eat but since you're not allowed to eat the you certainly you certainly can't use an animal to be suffic that animal of he keeps the in that case the question is if it's bought with perishabius would that be okay Because according to it's not nega because according to it's even before it's so the point of its pad is not to take away but just because it's m and kayen and because of the fact that a suffic anyway you'd never be giving that set to the cayen you don't need to do the pad on the kamar so according to whether or not has no practical but that does make it that you're being so since we could say that he's doing the and it stays is his therefore there's a notes like and not therefore should stay is going to be so it is to be with a because that will bra but you could be paid. So now that we've settled our we can go with other in itself is not going to have it's not going to have the and therefore it's just like any other kinds of you have to give to the and since the actual parts of the animal are going to be burned you can't use for that cannot be a why and since the gets to eat these You're not being over the requirement of the Torah. Let's ask from the Mishna in the ninth per of if someone eats from the dough of your because it's a kind of truma which is but why according to should this be in the first place since you'd have to burn it therefore it can't really be in the first place because which says it's different by the case of that the is even going to during that says more of a why don't we learn from the that is not going to tell you that there's no problem when you have a so by the by the also shouldn't be a problem which is by the case of where is for and it's only burned if it happens to become so since is generally not burned the fact that this has a kaducious is not going to say it's a problem of by the case of the it's to burn on the soar is always going to be for the kaducas of the animal as a is going to be a and therefore this animal cannot be aar and the mishnad said let's say the bum gave the to the kayen without doing a pia so the mission had said that the kayen can't keep it even for one moment until he is as in its place. So we learned in the taught that if had that in his house and the cayenne says give it to me and I'll take care of it. So don't listen to that unless you know that the does it in front of you and the speaks out if the doesn't do it you got to do the yourself. So this is essentially saying that the might use them without being pied to them which is user. But why should have to tell us this? Cuz maybe I would have thought this is only when we have that this particular cayenne is suspected of wanting to break the rules here but we don't have to be worried that he's going to take the kamur without doing the soam comes from and says no the cayenne will decide that it's mut for him to use this pakamar without doing a so therefore you're not allowed to give a nonredeemed pet to a cayenne unless the cayenne does it right in front of you. There's a bit of a shiloh. What's the incentive of the cayenne here to use it without the padia? Why doesn't he get this from the Israel? So, that's hard to think about. Okay, we're going to stop here by the Mishna. Tomorrow, we get to finish the perrick and start the next peric. I getting mad.