Chullin Daf 96

All right, Daft Sadi VV. This is Tuesday's DAFF. And yesterday we were discussing the difference between simonym and ayin between having a simmon on something and just recognizing it. And you kind of really need to have an explanation of what is the difference? I mean, I recognize something because of the way it looks and I also recognize something because of a simmon. So kind of what's the difference? And I forgot how Rabbi Razner said it shame, but he said an interesting thing that simmon is based on some kind of a mess. You could point to like this unique characteristic is it simmon. Tasin may not be a specific characteristic that you could point to. It could just be a feeling that you have. I just recognize it even if I can't quite put my finger on it. So now we're going to pick it up with the second to bottom line on Omar. I mean originally I used to say that a sim is better than why because we give back ana to someone who presents a sim. Moving over to if someone just says oh yeah that's mine but they don't give us a sim that's not enough. So but now that I heard these different members that we talked about at the end of yesterday's dafima I see that is actually moreark which typhus kind of jumps on this and says there's a big the reason why a sim is better is because we are [snorts] for that someone's going to want the aveda but a from person who doesn't want to be a we can trust their recognition that this is the piece of meat that was kher and tyus says well we're talking about aasu which is kind of opening up the door for different madregas of how much recognition I recognize it a little bit I recog recognize it. Very stark. And now the Gar backs up this idea that is so how is a blind man ever allowed to be with his own wife? He can't see that it's her. Maybe it's another woman. How has any man ever live with his own wife at night when they can't see who they are? And the equates the recognition of her voice is going to be the same thing as that I recognize her and therefore I know it's my wife. So therefore isim can be abated by knowing that this is the thing that in question works says this is not that you always have to hear your wife speak in order to know that it's her in the dark room because for crying out loud what other woman is in your bedroom but if there was a massive of suffic that there would be a reason to be mopic that would work bring you that is more than just a simmon of two would come to azon and say the plaima this guy who has this I don't know mole on his face or a beauty mark or whatever kind of sim he killed somebody well like that would not be enough you have to have actually seen it happen belave but if I say I recognize this is the guy who did it you can identify him in the police lineup then we will kill him so you see that is more than just by themselves I'll bring you a that is more reliable than just if somebody would say to is go get me this guy who has this simmon and that sim. So in such a case we're whether or not he's going to get the right person because other people might also fit that description. But if he recognizes him when he sees him he'll know he saw him. Typhus asks the kasha that we use sim to marry off a woman like Tyus says over there in the suggest of to say that her husband is dead and Tyus actually says and Tyus answers that we're talking not really on the simum alone to kill him but we'll use the sim to say that he's alive and the second condition is not a good kaducition and then Tyus gets into it's an important TIS in terms of how far he could take this rule but now we're going to start the Mishna if someone takes out a ginosha from that is cool you got to take it all out mean you got to dig in there and take out all the extra stuff around the git. You only have to take enough away to be the mitzvah of taking out the ginosha. You can just level it off on that area, but you don't have to dig out anymore. If someone eats a kazan, you get malus. Let's say the whole ginosha, but there wasn't a kaz in its totality. Still, you're going to be malus because as we're going to see because he's eating a barrier, it's an entire thing, which is he ate a different kaz on the right side and a different kaz on the left side. will get 80 muscular you're only going to get one set of malcus because according to the ginosha is only going to be on the right side but not on the left side soak atma so barpuli was in front of and he was doing nikaro of the gate he was taking out the g from a thigh of an animal he was doing it like on the surface not digging deep dig deeper so if I didn't see you you would have fed me something the saucer to eat. So, so now got scared being mocked with him and he dropped the knife to don't be so nervous. I'm not saying that you're somehow an or you're being look you're going like so it's a fine I just happen not to hold that way and I hold you have to dig deep and take out the stuff beyond just the surface of the gate that which was taking was the minra of the definition of according to it [clears throat] sounds like from that that which he did not take out is the according to in other words according to the letter of the You have to just take out the ginhosa. But the stuff beyond that will only be the command. So if that's the case though, who taught him how to take out a ginha? Who is he going like? Because according to he should be aid and take that stuff out too of my which took out was the minra of taking out mayor only according to mayor. It was a draon to take out the rest of that stuff and you don't even have to take it out. even according to that's why Barbuli left it in the next part of the mission said etc. Even though it's not a kazay, you're going to get malcus the only assert that part of the ganosha that's on the calf that rounded spoon-like part of the thigh of that is really because the b says if you eat a total but it doesn't have a kaz in its totality but so my time what's the rabbon hold you are going to get malus even though you didn't eat a kazayas the is it b because the it is a burri turning over to bays Butuda, why would you're not going to be for eating this entire thing? Because the cap is an has a you got to eat a kaz to have an that of is for a different is massive and eating it constitutes four or five and you only ate one of those. Still, you're going to be from even though you didn't eat the entire ganosha. How is he going to know that you're from eating even though you didn't eat the entire gan? What do they do with that? Only that area of that's on that area of the thigh, the spoon shape of the thigh for he'll say the entire gan of the entire thigh is going to be oser. So really argues with that only that area of the caf is going to be. And he holds if you eat a kaz of any area of the gid, you're going to be maluson. And what did learn from that? They're going to learn that tells us that the is of permeates the entire that whole inside gid as opposed to the outer gid that's not going to be but in reality only that inner part of the ganosha that lies on that is going to be the we need the toy a bird from girhanosha which doesn't have that shape of the kafar which the is not so true because tafi the tyra says the word kaf twice one for the dinner of bhud and the raon and one to be and now we get to begin all the we'll just do the and we'll start getting really into this tomorrow. Let's say I cook an entire thigh. I just never took out the ganosha in it. Now I have a big fat kishmaka cooked thigh. If there's enough boss in the thigh such that the ganosha gave it its tam haru then the whole is going to be oser. That means even if the ganosha was subsequently taken out the whole isser how do we actually measure that to know whether or not there is like meat and turnips which is another way of saying it's going to be 1 to 60 and of course we're going to talk much more about that let's say cooked together with other if you can recognize the ganosha and therefore take it out of that tarubis the other gimm are going to be user but only same time only if the gave it a flavor but if One does not know which one was to get on then cool and then all of these gimm even the mutter ones are going to become that means even if there's shishim of it's not going to be but because each one is a sufficer but the liquid the soup part whether or not there's ginosha that's recognizable there that will only be if it's 1 to 60 all these other not kosher things that are also cooked together with kosher stuff and if I recognize them and you take them out then it's all going to be about bam Viml but you don't recognize it and the whole thing is a tar and I don't know what's what cool because you might be actually eating the real McCoy even if it should be bashishim right nice Tom the right D which is the lock will always be totally in the nice Tom so we'll stop here now and pick it up tomorrow with the GMAR