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All right. Do pay bays Tuesdays do.
Yesterday we were talking about that
and therefore you won't be for the list
in our Mishna of all these things that
are not considered a proper. Now we're
picking up three lines from the bottom
of pay. One of the things in the list
was a paras. That's a paraded to get the
a for par that's included in the list of
that you won't be forcing.
That won't be a case of practicing. I'll
show you that a paradum could
potentially be and be to eat the meat
because the Bryce says
even though you're not allowed to eat
the paradum after
because it's heish still has a of
because it has its owner means it's
possible moving over to where is that
because
maradum could be nifty. named even after
it was when it comes to be put on the
misbeh which is a reference to the that
where it's possible for this paradum
that you to be nift what's the example
let's say the paraduma and then lo and
behold holy cow quite literally I find a
better paraduma so now what do you do
with the one that you already pit and
you could serve it for dinner so it is
possible for it to have this
it has
it should be so why is listing it as
doesn't make sense to be in the list
which is mask that Omar
you're right
takes it out of the Mishna could be
according to it's not an authoritative
Mishna could be their is actually
arguing with the Mishna because he holds
this so it might mean that idea of
arguing with that they can't or they
wouldn't
writes that they wouldn't but they could
but over here felt compelled to do so
another example in the list
is chopping off the head of the egg
roofish.
Let's say you find this murderer. That's
the whole reason you bring the egglar
because you didn't have the murderer.
But now say you find him
until they decapitated the
just release it. What do you see that
before you do the egg is mutter and
therefore if you would be so why would
the mission listed amongst the things
that are
also don't count that one
time heard about that about that line
that you can't cross that the egg will
become but I forgot what that is I know
it becomes but at what point does it
become
and all my told
read
when it goes down to that's when it
becomes
said there was a steer between the
he should have said
so why have to say that it's
we learned this and not
but the not so happy with that either
because
puppy
and as we know when the has his one of
the birds goes out free and one of them
is killed
the one that is becomes at its time of
when you take both birds become when you
take the birds
because
so just like
when you go down to So too did become
even when they're alive. So what do you
see that according to the becomes
so the becomes when it goes down to the
and therefore it's always
so since you have that why wouldish now
say that it's a
butish
hold that there is an option for the to
be once it goes down to the sun and
therefore that's why it's a can be in
our Mishna
The next
let's say two people bought an and now
the question is who gets to who doesn't?
So it's basically first come first serve
but the second one bought the animal
first and already he's already
not talking about the we're really
talking about the it's more of a which
guy gets first we learned
he's considered like a zor and he's
niskar and he prophets or does he
prophet meaning he gets to eat the meat
and whereas zoro visura and niskar
that he gets to eat that meat. And this
is where the bahag gets the from that if
you do
you're not allowed to eat it that day.
It's like a shabas you know you're not
allowed to eat it that day. That's why
we're saying here
you're allowed to eat the meat the ra
doesn't hold that way holds
you're going to get malus but you're
still allowed to eat the meat doesn't
the flesh but this is an important line
of the gur for that
let's say the cow and then both of it on
the same day. So now you've done two of
even though there's only one mother
you're gonna get two sets of
let's say two little and then the mother
because now you've only done one
because there's technically only one
let's say the cow its daughter and its
an on the same day. So you've done two
generations of cows and there's two
therefore
let's say I shuck the mother and then
the anle
and then I shuck the middle generation
the daughter afterwards then because
again there's only one
but
has this fascinating that says that with
this one myita you'll be over for both
the mother and for the anicle and
therefore you're going to get two sets
of mouth and we're going to talk more
about the gamar now but it's very
possible that sumas is arguing on the
ratio of the Mishna also so now the
garamar wants to know why are you going
to get malus if you first the children
and then you sh the mother why do you
get malus
it's not the other way around it's not
the children then the mother to which
the answer is no it's not true because
the says
in that direction
let's say you go up a generation after
you the child
when the says don't it
sounds like there are multiple cases
that you would want to
What's that case talking about
the last two cases of
so you see that if you a parent and its
offspring on the same day it'll be
irrespective of what direction and which
one got first turning over what do you
mean you're learning from hum I needed
to tell me the how do you make a drawer
from that and for the gam because I can
make an extra dasha
my
what's the lion of must tell you the if
you the mother and its offspring or the
offering and the mother both are going
to be it doesn't matter what order you
do them in
I still need the robin for a different
but let's say two different people might
be putter maybe it's only for the same
guy to the mother and child animal so
that even two different people who have
no sh to each other but they each bought
the mother and offspring animal they'll
be and for the how is it not used up for
that because
that they should not be that the going
on the animals
which sounds like you should not which
sounds like we're talking about
themselves
that we're talking about both
also for two different people and also
it tells you that it doesn't matter the
direction mother child or child mother
then the Mishnet said
that if you the grandmother animal and
then the anacle animal and then you sh
the bas you're only going to get one set
of malcus but you're going to get 80
malcus of my time why does hold you get
two sets of malcus is it because
that this is a that if you do an twice
in one you're going to be two carbonas
and therefore when the guy the bas for
the mama and for the anacle because
you're doing to a ver with one misa and
you can tell me sumita anywhere in chass
and as rash explains it would have been
a bigger to say it where it's not
because over here there's more of a
reason to give multiple machus because
of the goof
to say that
you're only
hold
maybe this is not a
saying in says
because of the fact that it's two
different animals that's why holds
uniquely here you're going to be two
sets of malus to which says back says
back to
really sus holds it's a cool if you eat
two of one you're two carbonus and ma
how do I know that that's what holds
because
kim like if someone plants kim twice
you're going to
Malus what does it mean he gets
obviously you get malus that Bryce is
not telling us anything then
what's the double lionus
it must be that the B is telling us that
you get two sets of malus so now how do
you get two sets of malcus
if it's two completely independent so we
already learned this in that
sitting at the bar all day and drinking
wine non-stop he's only one set of malus
even though he's doing it multiple times
he only got one but
let's say he gets a and then he
continues to drink and then
each malus is separated by an
independent so that's also not going to
be
we're talking about where he planted two
sets of with one in that case the B is
saying you get two sets of but who's
that going like
if you tell me it's who argue with
certainly when are going to Even
you're only going to get one malus for
the
must be that price it must be that says
that if you do multiple a not only when
it's like the case of our but even when
they're not you will be
really that can be by the
really two different kinds of because
there's two different kinds of when
you're planting or inside the vineyard.
The only time you really is when you
plant wheat, barley and grapes all at
the same time. So the Bryce is telling
us
if you plant wheat and the grapes
together or the grapes together, you're
going to be from Malcus for kim in the
clayum. Tosh mouse try to bring another
riot that sum holds that if you do
multiple ais in one helm or with one
you're gonna be each time because the
mission is going to say later on
if you eat and this mission is talking
about ganosha if you eat a kaz of the
ganosha on one side and you eat another
kazayas on the left side of the ganosha
you're going to get two sets of malcus
you're only going to get one set of
malcus what's the case talking about
if you're telling me that he ate one of
these after eating from the other one
and each was that he shouldn't eat the
other. So my time what's that even once
it's because as the gumar is going to
say later on might be which of the
ganoshas is going to be on the right or
the left side of the animal and which
one's only and therefore the master
can't say vi that if he eats this he's
going to get malus even though he ate
both of them one after the other but
lisa each independent is a sophic
we learned inab
Let's say you have a case of a kid that
who his father is and we've got these
two men and he's and he hits both of
them one after the other. So
he does a on both of them
in all those cases because he certainly
was over the but
because each one of the is a suffic. So
that was a digression but it just
establishes that a suffic. So getting
back to our ganosha
must be the mission is talking about
where you ate both of these ganoshas
together with one set of for both and
that's the case a single set of malcus
but the hold you get two sets of malus
so
well that's not going to work because as
we just said beforehand
when it's not it's less of a reason to
get more than one
it must be that if you do mult multiple
every single time you're going to get a
separate case of Malus even though it's
not
which the says lightly
and it could be that time of that
mission is another version of
and that's why you're going to be for
each and we're going to continue talking
about this more tomorrow but we'll stop
here for