Chullin Daf 80

All right. D pay Sunday's daf. We were just saying that both according to and it seems that there is a in which case but my plegy that's what we ended up with that they both seem to be misupic whether or not you're so why is there even enough so starting at the top of the whole issue is this idea of having a portion of whether or not the satyra is going to be impacted by the mikas. So that's what they argue about. They're both in agreement that there's a and a suffic whether or not but the applications will be different because whether or not you have a requirement and now the Gar is going to go through the three different cases that we talked about at the end of yesterday's and by the matonis for the kay. So let's go through each one of by both of those things where you have to give it to matis or cover the dam. You're not going to find their to except for a k where the mother of the ki is a goat, a behemoth. Because as we're saying, part of the set. So according to the raan that any that requires a certain kind of species whether it's a higher like forabus or even going to be a gaya to this mishmash kind of an animal that has part of that min in it but according to Ezra it doesn't a koi that is from a female goat as the mother it may be considered part because we have a suffash but according to the it might have to have a of but it might not be because we're not so because of the suffic The Mishna said that the koi should not be and if it don't do the mat that the mother is a is part because of the fact that it's mother is a but we don't know whether or not it's a full because we're not sure about so therefore what's going to be the according to the raon and since it's partially a part of the matonas have to be given to the kay because that of matonus has to be given even for the mas but according to a mikas is from And since the is definitely not a full-fledged set at all the between is going to be how do weep because that the mother is a where it's only partially a the father's side. So the is going to be whether or not there's an isert to and its offspring on the same day. And therefore because it might be part because of the father and therefore it might have but that is we still don't say the idea of and therefore there's certainly no kind of where the mother is this female goat. So it is a se from its maternal side. And what's the m is whether or not you're going to get malus for and therefore it's only part because of its to its mother. Well it shouldn't matter the fact it's only part we say and therefore there's certainly going to be land if you're going to get malus if you k and its offspring on the same day is there still beer. Why? because we're notic and therefore this is a full-fledged like its mother. So of course you're gonna have a but we're not gonna get malusa because is going to give us other this whole thing's not a suffic a bria and therefore how to classify it but it's definitely its own is actually a wild ram and according to it's and you can because you will. But this is this wild ram. Some arguments say it's a crossbreed. And the people in the Bush used to actually raise a lot of these kinds of easy these forest goats. They are sh to be brought on the misbeh because the terra only allows you to bring a bea. not allowed to bring a kayuna that these debala are classified as holds are the ty only counted 10 different species of kosher animals there aren't any more and they have to fit into these categories and therefore says these since we know they're kosher because they split their hooves and they chew their since it's not listed amongst the it must be that it is a kind of goat and therefore We could bring it on the mask and therefore it's a and therefore ikatu could be there are lots of other kinds of species that are not listed in the and therefore this ebala might be an independent kind of and therefore you can't bring it on which says why the ter need to specify them at all if the was given a you wouldn't have to list the 10 that it lists but maybe these easy are part of the AO species which is listed amongst the and therefore you shouldn't be able to bring it down the revel maybe these ebala are part of this species called toe or zammer which is also considered of aar shuar was malev of these debala to eat now are you let of a you can only eat of so from the fact that he was m eat they were totally classified these he said to him the wild ox because this is about the shabar whether it's classified as a beah or a nan as the mission in the eth paric of says and interesting if you want to know what a shhabar is you can look inalid where the clearly says that the shahabar is a buffalo. It's actually the lush and you can see it in as buffalo since translates the name of this kind of creature as a tour bola which is a forest ox tbola. So we're calling it a tour and a ox is a kind of behemoth since the terra lists amongst the forget the uncle calls it a so but that's the only time they're born you're arguing but these these forest goats they're all goats and therefore they're mut to be brought on the like any other not maybe these debal are part of the a species which is not listed amongst the kay Omarashi maybe it's these other kinds of so finally shar since was m the of these debala to eat must be considered because he would not allow you to eat the of a okay then the said etc how you had these different cases so this whole list that the Mishna did about when is clearly telling us it's not like shim like shim. Arab shim is the famous that holds that in is not aita. If you can't eat as a result of the then it doesn't have the as you can imagine that's going to have a big enough for as you're only if the verse one was proper. How do I know that the Mishna can't be mean since the Mishna says that the are done on the same day in a case of when outside of the azar obviously that's user and raw the first because of the both animals are not allowed to be any is automatically going to be and you can't eat it you're going to get malus for both animals the first one's going to be because you did the second one is caris because of turning over. So if the first one you is puzzle as the Misha says so the first one wasn't really it was just killed didn't have a proper den of according to and therefore so the second one should not become puzzle it should actually be roy to be brought in the misbeh why are you getting malus on that second you should actually have cures because you now potentially kusher carbon outside the msbay so clearly the mission is not going like shim another riot because the mission says a case that The animal are both and they're inside also because of the bazar because of so the first animal that you killed isn't because it's and therefore it's considered like a just killed animal. So why you get malus there shouldn't be any for the second animal. So it's also a riot that's not and another riotim let's say the case of the kajim that's done inside the which is proper and that's the right thing as we know but the second one gets malus because of get a regular good old fashion that you even did right is still considered why because until you do that you're not going to have any of the buser so right Now before you do this, this is a puzzle. So why does the mission say the second animal you're going to get for the can't be working like Frank? Why is telling us something that seems to be pretty straightforward and pion? Okay. Okay. So the mission is not like and for the because there's a here about this last one about to say that because you haven't yet done the is considered a buser. If someone would do and not do a proper and then do the would not be m the buser. So you see that it's not all about that mystery buser. So someone does and then does the buser becomes mut. So I could really hear that's not considered like a ria because it is really one comes she says no it's actually not because you have not yet done this fractur in the case of when both beams are in the second one get malus because of the musher why don't we also give him malus from the fact which is because he has to wait a day since the says The bottom line is since is not sh be brought and if you over the law that you're going to get malus so why does the mission say that the second animal that was going to get malus really you should get two sets of malus you should really get 80 kops when the mission was talking about malus you're getting that's what we're talking about you will get the but that's just not what the is counting we're not talking about other kinds of the whole idea of the mdish which is also it's also it's not but the listed that the says both of So we're listing other kinds of that are not if you don't have then getting like because you're in because in that case you are counting the All right we're going to pause here we'll pick it up with for tomorrow's Dav.