Chullin Daf 77

Okay, today's this is Thursday's DA and we're picking it up 11 lines from the bottom of let's say the bone is broken and sticking out. Now the question is is it still part of the mother animal when you if the skin and the buser is covering it or at least covering the ri of it will be mut'll be user. Now the issue that's going on over here is whether or not we think this is going to heal on its own. If it's completely exposed, we don't think it can ever heal because because the buster won't grow back over it and therefore it's going to have thera of the audles. So now the gar wants to know when we say, how much do we mean? There's two ways to look at the it could either be the rev which is a cross-section of the interior area of the exposed bone or it could be the circumference. So that buser that's going to cover r of the bone. Question is what part of that has to be covered to be considered like to regrow because of so according to you need to have both mileus both the thickness and the circumference of the bone have to be covered this is classic papa this is one of the 10 times in chas where papa said let's just do both shittas we had this a little earlier in this ma and I actually heard in rabb razir when I was listening to it that one of the guys in the said that it's connected the 10 times that raa's name is mentioned at aim and was because that it's connected the 10 times in shapa makes shm between different cheeses says to do both, you know, like saying both kinds of etc. If you only have skin covering this broken bone, that's enough to say it was still covered with buser and therefore it'll be okay. So why are you saying that R by itself will be okay? It should be R in addition to the buzzer or that's how I learned it. Either or that's how said it or which because the mission only talked about buser the B is adding the so the is being covered with buser and the is only just a little add-on that you could bear and be mashim. So I know the story which brought this to the four there was this bird that had a broken leg that was brought to it was one of these situations of a combination of ander it was half and half and was so you see you're allowed to be mitarif and berer as long as they're equal amounts he says back to barla barla shiny the skin is very soft of a guiseel of the bird. So we look at the skin like it's buser but you can't necessarily apply the same to an animal that has a very tough hide and it won't be considered like buser and therefore the arm might need to be mashim but not to be mitarif and half and half would not be okay. There were these soft giddon, the soft senus that now were misupic. Are they considered like the buser cover of this exposed area of the so this situation was brought to what could be the problem of like buser because the gan that are ultimately going to harden moving over to that's enough for the of the carbon. So this way you can have a inab. So clearly those are considered like buser. We want to make sure Jews don't lose any money. So therefore it makes sense to be we've had this idea earlier and in about the mocker is either from that the terra says to get rid of your that cannot be a mikvah to to avoid having the tomb of the nega in the house or from the fact that hashem said we should make sure to get the behemoth the water but no matter what the mocker is there's certainly a concept you may remember the pherise is question about how do you reconcile that with an mashirus and perhaps that's only in the basa mdash and this is outside the ba mdash but either way is being mro Lish you have that argues with and says that are not considered like boss and also you're being so cool about being on give up all your money to not be what in the world would it be because of so was quiet so why was quiet he said himself he only like by three things and one of them was not the over here so holds like you go for these even though it's eventually going to harden later on. If that's the case, why was he should have said himself was to Omar. We're going to see later on in the ninth paric that was masked about a different issue of the of the head that will eventually become tougher later on that it's going to have Thomas Nolla as if it's soft. But over there where had thought that the Mishna was a Mishna and therefore we should like it. He ultimately realized it was a and therefore he said don't bother me about that Mishna because I don't have to be worried about it. There was a case where a bone was sticking through the skin partially and most of it was but a little piece of the bone had broken off and now the assumption is it may not grow back. So, so he pushed off the pak for the gimmel regums and Rashi says this way he would have the opportunity to ask the other who get together by the shagum and of course you have to figure out how in the world did the animal last all this time without refrigeration. Okay, so they figured out an omnil go to the son of because he was super sharp and smart. They went to Omar and he said we learned in the Bryson before that if the bone is broke through the skin and if is covered it's going to be mut. So we could say malaf mal what's the difference whether or not part of the bone broke off or if it's all here as long as it's mu with buster on rife of it it is going to be muta mate mahu let's say you have and buster and they're all over the place in different areas and if you add them all together it will be rife but it's not in one straight area or missah let's say it's flattened it's very flimsy or missah let's say if it was rotted what would be these are allus with the r in the buser miss what does it mean that this buser has decayed of Yeshua card. Anything that the doctor or in this case the vet would cut away if he was trying to heal this animal that's considered miss masm and therefore it would be a shila whether or not it would count to be m this eu nik mahu let's say the buser that's covering the rave of the had a hole none of it's missing but it had a but there was a hole that was stuck through it is this gone or niclu let's say it was peeled away but it's there but it's not just attached or nizduk mahu let's say it was split or mahu let's say the bottom third of that thickness of the buser was taken away and only upper two/irds of that thickness of the buser stay will that be considered buser that if it's it will take care of this. and we don't seem to be. So at least this last case if you have and 2/3 of the thickness of the buser that will be considered a proper way to be the maybe we're talking about where the skin already adhered to the buser and therefore it's better and we don't give up about this. Let's say the buser was cut away like a ring around that area of the broken bone. What's going to be the I asked both and the doctors you scratch that area of the buser with another bone and that will be a catalyst to cause its healing making it mutar don't scrape it with a piece of metal because that will only make it worse but the bottom line is the and are saying since this can heal and regenerate the animal will stay cauter that's only if that bone aderes to that bone That's when this healing process could potentially work by stimulating it. So you sh an animal and you find a shill. A shill is an amniotic sack. So there's no visible yet. So if you can hack it, you can eat it. And this is not going to have it's just not part of the animals. But if you intend to eat it at that point, if it's food, it's food. Let's say the comes partially out. So the issa because as we're going to see we're concerned that there maybe was a vlad in there and they will be considered born without a and vlad is because it's a simla and a simla the shy itself indicates that there is a vlad we don't see it but that's what we have both by animals and by people. Now let's switch gears and talk about you have an animal that's carrying its firstborn. So it doesn't put out a little baby animal it puts out a you're allowed to throw it to the dogs. You don't have to worry about kaducious. Now why not? So we'll see in the gar. It's because there's a that it has no kaducious. It may be a na it may be aid. We'll see in the and if the animal is then you actually have to do a for that don't do it in the would take these and they would use these things for their superstitious practices. Interestingly, Rashi actually says dark is which is on the surface pretty odd because you'd think this would be more like Rashi says in other places and you can listen to Ra Gross for his take on what Rashi might have meant by here. this that if it comes out partially it's going to become any animal you're allowed to eat that's a if you find the inside the mother you're allowed to eat it I might have thought that hetro extend even if it partially comes out only it now what's going on here the whole point is that there is no such thing as a shillia if you have this amniotic sack you know that there is a vlad there I may not see it but it's there so lumbly Why do we need a puss? Obviously, if a vlad comes out and even if it only partially comes out, maybe the head of this vlad came out and therefore there was a lea and therefore it's not going to become of the mother you're right. It's that you're not allowed to eat the sh that partially comes out. We use this as then the said there is no for this. It's a related question but let's say I take this inedible of a donkey which is very disgusting and very hard but I cook it so much that it softens and potentially is more edible. So what's going to be the lai? What are you asking about? Thomas already tanina turning over to bay and ne is also tanina. What are we referring to? We'll know about this R of when it comes to because the B says but this overcooked hide of the animal or the you intend to eat and I also know because the Bryce says so when the animal dies the dead body is going to be tummy all these other ancillary parts of the animal the bones the senus the horns the hooves all these things are not going to have the tomosis noa vomit kada this that you have to tell me that it's not going to have to nois talking about where you actually cooked it extensively with spices and you made your delicious horn and hoofchell so you see from both of these braces that if you tuck a cook the it will be and not have any so what was the but yeah specifically that hide of a donkey is particularly gross and therefore saying even if you try real hard to make it into something edible Will that happen to and we don't have a on that. Then the mission said if the comes out partially it's going to be after and the of this of the will be both by animals and by people. So we're talking about this is only when there's no other clear vlad with this. If a vlad comes out together with the you don't have to worry this was a twin but you can assume this amniotic sack is empty because the vlad already came out separately. You do have to be worried about another twin animal over here and therefore this will always be it sounds like you're saying we happen to know that was more but according to what you just said is more make this is how it was learned this shill is going to be even when there's still a vad inside only if that shill is not attached to the vaurad but if that shillia is attached to the vlad that's still inside the mother. You don't have to worry that there is that already had come out. The only time there's an iss when that shilly comes without any vlad at all obligation. But if there is a vad together with that, you never have to worry about that. There was another Vlad already in this chill and was already born and that works out by saying that was more and as we switch over to human beings if a woman is a vad that looks like an animal or a knife and there is another along with her and now our shil is about how many days does she have to sit for a male female regarding its child birth is when that shill is attached to them you don't have to worry about another kid inside the but separate I have to be worried maybe it was a boy maybe it was a girl and therefore the respect of have to be applied because maybe that embryo of that has dissolved and maybe that shia of that embryo that was actually already born is also dissolved bottom line is we see it makes sense to be between a case of the shily that's attached to the vlad or where it's not attached to the vlad and then the mission said let's say of an animal that's carrying its first born, you could just take that chili and give it right to the club. You don't have to be for anything. So my most animals that give birth give birth to something that could be a assuming it's a male and give birth to things that can't have what's that that's not going to be that'll be let's say if that child looks like a different kind of animal and therefore it won't have so you have that right in the but in the totality it's always half the mi that won't have get put together with the it comes out that are really in the mus and you can assume that that shia is not going to have kadusha that's why you can give it straight to the club and lastly in the case of you bury it because mikt because if you go ber most of these shillas will have kadusha and therefore you're not allowed to just give it to the dogs you have to actually do a kafur and bury it and we'll stop here and pick it up with inky Give a nice for Friday