Chullin Daf 75

All right. I hi and we're discussing Ben Pakua and various Shilas regarding Ben Pakua and we're picking it up on the sixth wide line on Dal Bayu. Mahu lieni. Let's say the mother animal becomes a reish lma. Maybe you touch the sherets. Of course, the whole body of that mother animal is a reish. The question is do we look at the ben pakua once it's born as part of that reshine or maybe now it goes down a level and it is now a sheni. How do we view the ben pakua? So we separate them. The mother's the fetus is a sheny but the whole thing is one body and therefore it's all a reish we look at this fetus inside the mother like it's a nut inside of a shell. No one would say the nut inside the shell is a separate entity. It's the same thing. This fetus is like part of the mother totally. We learned too ago on the Mishna that if the Uber sticks his limb out of the mother and then the mother was gan while that limb was sticking out and then you chop off that a habos maga the different mayor of mayor who doesn't hold of the ben pakua says that that bosser now is ma maga so even though the m is between the mayor is whether or not what kind of tum is the rest of the uber going to have everybody's mask it's going to become through the of that a was cut off now it has to be to receive the tum in the first place so bish according to me says it's one body. That's why the Uber is considered like it's the dam of the mother at because there's dam there and the dam touched the mother and therefore the uber is considered part of the mother and therefore it's but according to the uber and the mother considered like two separate in what way was that you may remember this back from dam and gimble where shiman says the itself is a even if it doesn't technically become wet If a Benua went through the water and now became wet and then went to the bakar and became tame. So it sounds like for this bry that it's because it became wet in the river then it became tame. So bish according to goofy since the mother and the uber are considered like two separate things. That's why this Ben pakua has to become it's a separate entity and since it's food it needs to become but according to who says that the and its mother is considered like one entity it's already because when the mother was and that was the there was blood there and that was so it doesn't need to go through a river to become moving over to the bishes we're talking about when there was no dam it was that kind of bizarre that the blood pressure was so low that there was no blood that spurt it out and of course we can't go like that itself is so it never had a and therefore we're talking about a case where it went through the river and then went to the bas now regarding this mana says going to have because now we look at his food and it needs to have a because As Rashi points out, it's goofy. It's not part of the mother. It's alive and living things. It can't have soy that Benua doesn't eat. But they're not going to say the because it's still alive. But comes out by himself is the hold of a benua is an that can be eaten without it has a even while still alive. So that brace we quoted before it must certainly be going like basically is the same thing that a that a thing that's alive that can be eaten without is considered an or basically because the says in the third paragraph of at what point do fish have even though they're still alive but once you catch these fish since they don't need they now considered food and therefore they can be no they first got to die then they have food has like a middle ground they can still be alive but they have to not be able to survive we'll see more about that soon but what do you see about that even though they're still alive which is like so what's the meaning between we're talking about a fish that is on it way to die. It's definitely going to die. So according to Basil, it's still alive and therefore it's not makabma. But according to Bakiva, once it's gotten to the point where it's not going to come back from the brink over here and it's definitely going to die. Even if you were to throw it back in the water, it's considered like it's dead and therefore it can be mabisd. Let's say there's a sim of tar in a fish mahu according to there going to be the or not because it's going to die, but maybe it's not the same thing as marta. So the more breaks down the sha as you remember back me in the beginning of alfus we have is whether or not a traa can survive according to the mand that says that traa can survive an animal it takes more to kill an animal has a lot of life there but fish don't have a lot of life in them you can snuff out the life of a fish pretty easily they won't be shy to tra and therefore any fish that has a traa in it is considered like it's already dead kapel and they're not going to survive, but they're still going to be a sh because animals are because they are a fish has no in the first place. So therefore loy I'll say that there's no traus laggab fish because there's no shyus to the and this already sounds like we're connecting hilus traphus to hilus and we'll talk about that more soon about that famous verb kim but it does seem like it's licked in this gammora already and after them the shila is going to be tu all right new shila nafl let's say an animal miscarries so now you have this uber that is dead and now the shil is going to be what's going to be with its parts and it is just like the we know that of is going to bearis so the Same thing the of an Uber is also going to bear for no the is going to be like a which is not part of the is of and when we say it's like the of means it's part of the meat of the and here this will be part of the meat of the mother and therefore it won't be and it will only have the that's how Rashi learns the gar because the way that we al have an iss of is when it's born into the world it's a verarum irrespective of whether it was a full term Uber but it was born and therefore it's going to have a status of behem but because that which that which shafts the is the fact that it was the months of its development as an uber that's what ultimately will classify it as a and since it wasn't born as a result of it because it was a nal it will not have the is from the following just like and the two clo the two kidneys that are brought in carbon are from being part of the uber of so to every carbon where the and the are mentioned are from those of an uber. So Tyra gives us this dasha by the par of asham to tell us as a rule that whenever you bring the mother animal as a carbon the of her uber is not brought on the carbon now that says there's an is of an uber so that's why I need a from being brought on this but according to you who say that the uber is not considered a even though it was born but since it was a nal it's not going to have the why would the need to be an uber it's not a behem it's in the first place to which I learned from the fact that of an from a carbon that's how I know that it's not but had the ter not here I might have thought that it is considered and you do have to bring it on the we have a different version of the same but according to me this is the of an Uber is this category even when it has the and that's why the terrorist it from bringing on the but according to you that of an Uber is user once it hits that full term like you should be able to bring on this backlo it's no different than an animal that was not old enough from being brought in meaning it has to be 8 days old even though it certainly has a status of being a but it's hilaka so same thingab the uber and the ofab that uber Even though it's technically a behemoth, the Tory says it's considered like it's okay. Let's say you a traa and it turns out that there was a fullterm 9-month uber inside of it. What's going to be the I can't eat the uber because the mother is a traif. So now the gar wants to know. So according to our mayor who's the direer that you're not allowed to eat a ben paku without shing it mater he will allow this kind of an animal to be gashen with its own but mater if you're going to tell me that a ben paku is mut alita meaninghuda so is he'll asser that ben pakua of a traa even after it's now just to understand the background over here there's no question that the will not work for that uber the only sh is can I now sh this fullterm uber now that it was born from the traa and the question you have to think about says, "Why can't the haim that the trafa work on the Uber?" Because the way I would look at it is I shuck the mother and I find out, "Oh, no, the mother had a hole in its lung." All right, but the Uber doesn't have a hole in its lung. And if you're telling me that the shita works on that Uber in a regular case of Ben Pakua, so here also the Uber doesn't have the traofus. So why can't I just remove the issue of the Trafus because it's only on the mother, not on the Uber, and make a sandwich out of that Uber tomorrow without a Ben Pakua of a traita. And this is a great ride to that he said over in his barmit. Briskarrov writes this in histo in the back of the cipher on the Rambam on page iness where he says here you have a riyah that the problem of tra is that the can't work to be mate it's not a dot study that there's an isser called traus alone the traphus is a problem in the mushita so the traa on the mother animal does not allow the to work properly to be matera within it's a beautiful ride from the okay anyway that was all rai amii now rava le matami Even according to the matter meaning that says that a paku does not need once the mother was gash. So according to that matter it'll also be motor the uber will be now motor as a result of the even though the mother is a trait because our mubber with the four simon that's an expression that means that the two of the mother or the two of the uber let's say and you find a full term uber inside turning over that uber will require a to eat it it's a regular healthy animal that now is required to give the matnus kuna the emason of it drops dead without having a melata it doesn't have to nea so the ben pakua kite because the mother had a shita that does accomplish to take care of its tomas novela because that's really the mishna earlier and I invita is not mater the buster but it does prevent it from having the na practic who are you saying that this animal is going to require and that you can eat based on that it's Kirby mayor because Only Romero says that Aben Pakua needs the in the first place and then we said who is it going like that once it drops dead it's not going to have the that's playing both sides of the fence over here you working with says back to you let's say you and you find a fullterm inside to eat it if it dies without having any It's not going to have any nea. So the price is saying exactly the same as but yet may that so the price itself has a steer in it. Don't hack me a chic to which Rabba says the price is really not fair because I could say wasn't talking about where the Uber the was found dead inside the mother and therefore it's because at that point the mother took care of that to but according to you you didn't say that the uber was originally found that way dead inside the mother it sounds like from you that even if it was found alive and subsequently died and that's going to be the question that's gonna be a steer to which says suspect rabba Oh, no problem. Our bossim said that all four different are going to be fine for this Uber. And therefore, even though it's shita was shak to the Uber taking care of the tomaha, we also still have an option of sheecting the Uber itself and making it for and we don't say that you can't the uber because it was already gash with the of the mother. That's actually his saw when he was saying over this member from sister since you're only saying it sounds like is arguing no mish would sometimes wait for to finish his and then say it overlay and even if didn't like what he said he would still be quiet for and he wouldn't argue with him so when said this particular pak I left and I don't know whetherish agreed or disag agreed or some say that was drinking a cup of water at the time when said this and because of that he was quiet and I don't know whether or not he was arguing with interestingly enough was drinking water in this rabbi razer spent a little time in his talking about the pis of whether or not you're allowed to drink in a misdel today but some people make a when they set up a shul to not give of a basicus which has other complications but one thing he mentioned that I never knew is that's why able is called able you ever wonder like where does that word come from why aren't they just called a basic because not calling it a basicis in order to have more cool things like eating and drinking inside the sh. So you don't want to call it a shul called a steel. Then the mission had said shazuru that even if this uber was alive and grew up to be 5 years old and it's plowing in the field the mother worked for it and therefore you could just kill it and eat it. That is in the mission of everything. It's the same just seems more dramatic of kahana. It's different whether or not the ben pakua actually put its feet on the ground. According to the tanakama it's only motorish if it's killed before it steps onto the ground. But the tanakama would hold once it walks around there's going to be nod. I mean people are going to see you eating an animal without any it's going to certainly make a but it's even if it's walking around that we are for the father and this is going to be that we don't only look at it as the child of its mother but it's also the child of its father so if a benua produces an animal with another healthy animal or normal animal that child can't ever be because since and therefore would need a benu part of it says that doesn't have any and therefore you don't have the two to cut because it's considered like it's already and the won't help and therefore it's saying let's have a which is an animal that doesn't have the split hooves and it's a ben you don't need to have even if it puts its feet on the ground there's going to be no at all in my time why won't there be a reason to make because people remember mudna and this is pretty mudna so the benua is something that does not need even if it's walking around people will not learn a Benua if it's a cullet the son of a cullet who's a benu that's going to be my time because it is so ma you got the two people will certainly not make a mistake that you're allowed to eat the benu with it's walking around multiple generations from the benua do not need no motor the ben Ben Pakua needs to have au Benua duba oleavu had a grown-up Benua that was attacked by a duba which will touch as a wolf of ashi is to eat said go and sh it's interesting how we're not concerned with any internal taras of a ben pakua because hey the den over here requires you to so there shouldn't be a tala but ty speaks out that we're not really concerned about real tarfus goes it's fert wanted to know why does he even need he asks But the benu itself shouldn't need his back is that only was saying that like the benua doesn't need to have a but he doesn't mean that the is like that. We always passing like Dr. I hold like the plug of that idea by someone who's very sick and going to die by those two but not by anything else. And therefore the is going that says once its feet are on the ground it requires a now what are those that we said is a guy who's very sick. We learned in the mission originally they said someone who's going out to be killed by the government and he failed to say so later on said someone who goes out do a dangerous thing he goes out the same even somebody who's very sick will also have this they didn't say to and what was the other learned in the Mishna in the fourth paracum shall demise if the trumuser of de got mixed mixed up with the stuff that he got separated from. Even on a weekday you can ask the whether or not he was mafish and based on what he says you can trust him because and the whole thing is so covers we understand you can ask the but even though you don't have the covers of asking during the week you can still be on the we will stop here and pick it up with the Mishna for tomorrow's daf