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All right. Today is Dy Thursday's daf.
We're going to pick it up at the Mishna
Mishna.
That's a behemoth that's giving birth to
its firstborn which anytime an animal
gives birth to its first male offspring.
It achieves its kaducious at the lea. So
that
who's having a difficult labor
as the animal that's coming out in
distress, you can cut off each aver of
that uber as it comes out and it won't
have kadusha. So you're allowed to now
throw it to the kov because until r of
the uber or its head came out of the
mother, it's not considered yol and
therefore it doesn't have that kaduca
yet. However, once yats rub and then you
cut it apart, well then it already had
the kaduca. So therefore, har yakov. But
the mission ends off by saying even if
terrace even in a situation where the
first animal wasn't technically a bar
still the for the next one cuz it's not
going to be the firstborn animal from
that motherish
let's say aish a third of this bkar came
out from the mother.
Now the bum of this animal sold it to a
guy because the is that only an animal
that's owned completely by a yid has
kaducious bakar but even if it's only
partially owned by a guy it's not going
to have kaducious bkar and it's going to
be like hulen. So let's say in the
process of when some of it came out and
that only represents a mi of the and now
the bum went ahead and sold out to a guy
and then it goes back in the and then
another came out. So by the time you're
done adding up these different mutum you
might now have arrived
and
now let's explain
that there is why
that even though it doesn't happen in
real time but in understanding the
kaduca is that the first moment of as
it's coming out is significant moment
and therefore even though it will only
achieve the kaduca when revive comes out
but you're going back to that initial
moment enough rub and since now reve has
ultimately come out
even from that first moment there was
and therefore
the didn't happen because it wasn't his
to sell since it had
it only happens
since that first third if you will was
sold to the guy it never achieves any
they both are litum
Let's say the first third comes out
which doesn't achieve
and the second two/3s comes out the more
natural way whatever the muses of the
case but only the latter would give it.
So nowadesh
and let's see how it lines up
because
as we said we look back to that first
moment and we say that was from that
point. So ironically come to
since we're going to back from that
first moment that first moment has to be
part of the of it coming out and it
wasn't because that first mi came out
and only the came out derk and therefore
we don't have the derm and therefore it
will not bear but because
and since now on the timeline has come
out there's a regular kaducious now it
seems like a little bit of a but it
really is saying the same. So why do I
need both? It's because
if I only knew the first case I would
have said
came out as a cool that would potra
but in this latter case where going
would end up being
maybe Rahuna wouldn't be so insistent
upon his he would actually hold like
moving over to Alf. only had the second
case of Derek and Dera
that's where Rabba said ends up with a
but in the earlier case when going would
end up with a delay and therefore it's
the top TISS deals with the issue of
being because over here we're talking
about being giving it to the if there is
there should be problems being tis and
the other do deal with the I'm aware
that there's the brisk on this but I
didn't get it clear enough to be able to
say over but just making you aware that
it exists exists because I'm here for
you guys. Okay.
So now let's try to fit into our
you cover me by what's the you told me
it's
so they should all have which answers
you're cutting it off and giving it to
the as you're going. So you're right if
you would cut off all these different
pieces and have a pile of and now came
out
they become and they would need to be
but raun would read the mission that
we're talking about where you were as
you went
based on what we're saying if you cut
them and make a pile of these things
what would be
you cover why does the mission have to
now introduce another case of if came
out then it has to be lift
as The Gomorrah often does don't
introduce another case just make a in
the original case that we should say
however
should be so the Garra says no problem
that's what the really means
if you cut them out in peace meal and
you start making a big pile of these
things you will have to be because they
now retroactively have of course inasuna
and now for the rest of the om we're
going to have a series of Shil this will
be like for the rest of the day and this
will kind of wet our appetite for the
follows
the when it comes to
now it's an unclear question. Thear says
what's your sh about
if you want to tell me that of an a
let's see the behem has come out you
don't have yet and there's no but now
you have another a that comes out but
within that a it's only now been a
portion of that a it's only mute of that
respective a and vcom now you want to
say maybe the shila's mute droy since a
mute of that a is outside a do we look
at the aver as an independent thing and
therefore you don't have of a birth and
therefore there is no kaducious
or maybe that little mut of this last a
is now going to be put together with the
whole uber in which case there would be
ra of the uber that came out if that's
what you want to say what's meant by
raim that can't be because treat
you'd only look at it in the totality of
the uber and you wouldn't look at it as
reaver most of this a doesn't make sense
so what do we mean by
Let's say I've got an animal that half
exactly came out, but it's only half
because of the of one particular
is going to be
that that's still inside.
And I now that sue to the ra of the a
now creating a totality of ra of alle
giving it a status of being born and
therefore this kadushkar or not in which
now we're going to try to forever from
our mishna
rubber
if of this ubra came out it has kadusha
and therefore it has to be buried so my
rub if you think that the mish is
talking about where the of the entire
ubra came out in one complete piece well
then ruba what will be the kdish you got
to tell me the idea of ruba
the been talking about ruble
etc. We know there's a mus of rubula
that the tunnel wouldn't have to teach
me this
must be we're talking about this kind of
a mud case where exactly half came out
but you achieve that with the of one
particular a and we say that's telling
us that we even the mia that's still
inside to give it a kaducious which the
garra says you don't have arrived from
our mishna like a rub of a we're talking
about where of the actual uber came out
but it was only a miat of a certain ash
malan delev
Aver that we don't look away from the
from the totality of the uber of the
whole animal and go buster the ra of
that particular aver that's what we
don't say now even though the garamar
earlier had said that that was pusha and
it wouldn't have been a shila but the
tyis rush just acknowledges that and
says it's the d of the gara sometimes to
go with it even though originally we had
said it was more shus
let's say as the uber is coming out it's
wrapped up in some kind of material a
natural material what would be the
and therefore will not have kaducious
bakar on the way out or not. or bitalis
mahu let's say it's not in something
that was natural but like a tal is a
piece of cloth that someone stuck in
around the Uber before it came out or
let's say it came out inside the inside
that amniotic sack what would be
that's how it always comes out no
it's not its own it's a different would
that create some kind of to prevent it
from getting another shila
let's say the midwife lady uses her
hands and pulls the Uber out of the ram
what's the is that kind of process going
to create a kita that won't be kaducious
so I just typed that like rashi but ty
doesn't like it because why are we
saying that there's a woman there a roya
would do this not a midwife so he learns
another we're talking about twins it's
another animal and that's the na that
wouldn't get kushar and that's what
might create the
wants to clarify this particular shen
if the uber came out head first and you
wrapped up the rest of the animal pat so
at this point there's a tour on the
rehem
That Uber already now has Kushkar just
by virtue of the fact that its head came
out
must be we're talking about where the
Uber came out feet first and that's
going to be our sh actually these kinds
of shs have practical nafkamas even
bisman if there would be a child birth
that would be done with forceps that
might create a kita there are some pants
say that you wouldn't do the pion with a
braha could be that the forceps today
don't go in so far and therefore there's
not so much of a kata but there are
practical applications for kaducious man
Next shil the
mahu let's say a the weasel consumed the
fetus while it was inside the mother
animal then came out of the mother
animal and then was might see it and
vomited or spit out the uber or as we
like to say pop goes the weasel what
would be the was that uber will it have
kaducious
the took the uber out of the mother so
then so the uber was now enveloped by
the kula so really it's the same shal as
we had beforehand where it didn't touch
the walls of the birth canal same kind
of shila Ella. This is the Shila.
So the swallowed the Uber, took it out
of the and then went back into the spit
out the Uber via and then the Uber had a
normal birth. It's been a long day for
mom, but the Uber now has come out of
the ram quote unquote naturally. So mahu
on one hand it came out with a natural
birth. On the other hand, there was
already there was kind of a sort of
birth as it came out through the orn.
Let's say two different of two different
animals were stuck to each other.
So it had a birth but it kind of went
into another
but
maybe maybe the uber can be considered a
pet even the of not its own mother. So
it would be from the ber and to these
shilas are all going to be
let's say were so wide that the uber
didn't have to touch the walls of the on
its way out.
Is it the airspace or the actual to the
walls of the base?
Let's say those walls of the birth canal
were detached.
If they're not there, obviously it can't
become hegish. No,
they're still there. They're just not
really connected in the body anymore. So
in that location is where the kadusha
happens. But
mach even if they're not in their proper
place still, they're there and therefore
it can imbue the kaducious as it goes
through.
Rebia mayigma.
Let's say the walls of the birth canal
were peeled. So that ngia now is not in
its natural ways back.
We already had such a shila
part. Borrowing a lotion from the Hilas
Aravan part of the wall was peeled away
but theade the regular wall is laurates
but the Uber came out at the location of
where it was peeled away or parts.
What's going to be the in either of
those cases had the sh which the says no
at least there is an existence of the of
the walled area of the inside of this.
But if the entirety was peeled away,
there was never a shila and therefore
this is an original question. We won't
necessarily know the turning overn.
Let's say a fetus dies inside the
mother.
Now the sticks his hand into the mother
animal and touches this dead fetus. The
sh is will there be no
I don't care the animal's kosher or not
a kosher animal to there is noisa
according to this tanakama.
If it's a tummy animal then the roya
will be tame.
It makes this interesting between the
kinds of animal it is. Whether or not
there'll be this tumala um whether or
not there'll be this tum inside of an
animal. My time what is the mucker from
the tanakama that there is no tum for a
dead uber.
If you the mother it's m the uber. See
if it can be m and uber to eat.
Can't that mother also achieve the same
thing but keeping it from being while
the mother's still alive?
Well, that'll all make sense about the
about the mother's but that wouldn't
help me for that there is no
different
if the says if an animal dies
and then the Tyra says that you can eat
at zoo. So the same puss talking about
both behemoth and Tyra sayar
is tar. Okay. So that's the tanakama.
Now for my time say that the dead uber
inside the of the mother of a tummy
animal will be and have
I'm going to only be
which is a reference to the animals that
walk on their on their feet on their
paws while they're alive those are the
ones that
and since this is from that beginning of
all animals even the not kusher animals
that are capayim that had they been
alive they would be walking on their
paws they will be tame even inside the
of the mother so it all comes down to
theap so
but then according to what you're saying
an uber that has the non-split hooves
meaning it's that should also have toap
but we know that the collet is going to
be kosher yet according to your
definition of kapim it should be and for
the garra
what the terra is saying that the tick
animals that would walk on their capayim
and are inside of animals that walk on
an arba. If when you're walking you're
walking on arba that talk about the four
feet of an animal that doesn't have
split hooves and that's why it's four
and not eight cuz the high the collet is
mahb maheshu it's inside of its mother
cow which is kosher and therefore the
mother cow has four legs but it's called
mahesh because of the split hooves.
Okay. But
according to that kind of let's say you
have this mutant uber that looks like a
para inside the of a gum or some other
noter animal then and then that uber
dies. It shouldn't have to
since now it's a dead animal that would
walk on eight and it's inside one that
would walk on force. So how could it
basically give a rule across the board
at any dead uber inside the not animals
in a veil for the
don't just say when it walks on these
says so being rabbis may this kind of
mud case of this mutant inside of a
okay but
let's say you have the mutant inside of
another mutant that should also be
and the terra says that's going to be so
how cani say that any uber that's inside
of a kosher animal is going to be cuz a
we know is kosher and for the
okay so we'll go back to the original
thera said to be able to ferm for that
case mask
well let me ask you from
according to aer that has split hoods
that's inside another shouldn't be
but it was very clear that there will be
no for an ubra inside of any noter
animal certainly a kazer
You know what the mucker is? It's a
different mucker
to that the guy will be
telling me it's only in the ta that's
going to make but is not going to make
tum. We know that it's the case that
behemoth will also transmit tumma. So
why is it harping on the behem? Ella a
z. What kind of dead animal are we
talking about? Z uber. It's talking
about the Uber that died inside of its
mother.
So it's a new mocker but there's a
between the kosher and non-coosher
animals clap the of the uber. So
once he has this mocker from
why do I need the earlier of the
what do I need any of that for? And for
the he had we not had that
I might have said the whole is coming is
for a different dra coming up on
tomorrow's d and I wouldn't have known
it's talking about an uber that it has
no kashan comes the dritzk the dead uber
that's going to have to na we can expand
the drussk to apply it to any noa of any
not kusher uber including the ones that
do have split hoods and we're going to
call it here I'm picking up a tanya for
Friday's daff