Chullin Daf 68

All right, today's daf sam as we get to start a new perk primarily focusing on an uber and it's really actually kind of a question what it's even doing here. The Meri works out this is actually a digression from the previous peric and we're actually going to come back to hilus at the end. But be that as it may be let's say an animal is having a difficult labor and the fetus sticks its leg out of the mother animal and then came back inside the animal and then the mother was that uber has its mother. So if it's alive you can eat it without any and if it's dead it's not going to be an avail. And we'll see in the gamar if this is even going to include the actual leg that was stuck out of the mother or if it's only the rest of the body. But for sure the main part of the body is not going to require any. And the of this peric that we got to keep in mind as we continue to learn this is whenever we talk about aita and the mother that works also for the uber. Is it that the uber has a ali the mother or is it that the uber doesn't need a okay but the first case of the mission is that the animal that's masha le stuck the leg out and then brought it back in. It does not need let's say the Uber stuck its head out even though it went back in. It's as if it's born already and therefore the won't work even though now it's inside the mother at the time of the let's say somebody cuts off part of the fetus while still inside the mother and then you did the because that will work. However, if it's one of these critical parts of the animal, spleen, kidneys, then even though you left it inside the animal and then did the oser, if it's part of the animal's body that's found inside, it's going to be a mut. But if it's not part of the animal's body, but it's an uber, then it's going to be mut. And we'll have to see in the gamarra about what the zahal is coming to be marb zom aer that a that the animal stuck out and then retracted back in we said that the of the mother works on the but that doesn't work on that a because it's once the animal leaves its own becomes the application of this and that any that left the of the bdish cannot be even if it's brought back inside. But Rav is using this dasha that it left its makita because it went outside the mother and therefore the shita can't work for it. Now in lumis the are busy with understanding is that a new is that's going on this animal even though the should have worked on it or does it preclude the from being on this uber because of the fact that it was and it makes a pretty significant if the isra is or if it's a newer of which puser you master with but anyway the bottom line is according to rav that a is going to be user and we're going to spend the rest of talking about Rav before we have his bar we learned in the Mishna our so the mission is saying that it is my that even that a is going to be Uber it's talking about the rest of the actual Uber but not that a well if the mission is only talking about the Uber it's got nothing to do with being it'll still be mut even if the mother and of the Uber is still inside that rev will be mut and the would be even though it didn't come back in. You're right. But since the Mishna wants to teach you the saf of the Mishna which says if it sticks its head out then it is like as if it's born. So because in the safa you need to say came back in well what's the telling me is so important that it has to go back into the mother that once the head goes out it's considered a that I knew already we learned in a considered a but not from aim what's an example of akar where the criteria is whether or not he is a racious which is on the love that's the father's relationship to the child which is whether it's the first thing to come out of the mother and let's say a baby's born after there was already is still born so even though that child that subsequently died that it came out with its head while it was still alive or let's say it was a full-term pregnancy that came out not alive otherwise known as dead those would be cases of but out. So it sounds like this bent is a cla because the head came out when it was already dead. But it sounds like if the head would come out while it's alive it wouldn't even be considered. So bottom line you see from this mission of that if the head of a baby comes out it's considered like it was born. So our mission doesn't need to tell us this and we're back to our ra because now the is not the mission should tell me that even the a has a you want to tell me that's why I need two different one because they're talking about and animals respectively because I can't learn from and what would be the there's a pder that a person has when they're born meaning the person traverses more space whereas the animal is more exposed the animal just comes right out and I can't also learn from because the parts because a person's face is more whereas the face of an animal is not and therefore maybe that's why I need to have too much nice well to that I'll say we also learned coming up later on that is if a comes out of an animal we have that maybe there was a vad in there and therefore it might have needed a and the miss is going to say just like there is a shy and a sign of a fetus that's by the so you see putting together animals and behemoths. So you can't tell me that we need two Mishnas and all is good in the world if you want to tell me that when it's I need to have the because the a came back in and you want to tell me that it's going to be to eat therefore like you ra want to say if the is not really the and the is not really aish why does the mish have to say it at all to which the garra finally answers lightly Uber that is talking about the Uber and not talking about the a like Rob was saying the whole of our mission is talking about that actual location of that place where it's getting cut. So even though the mission is talking about the without having is talking about the whole uber the is that point where the a was actually sticking out because then I could really cut the leg to separate it. That is actually the mo is kind of an interesting concept idea and will have other applications in if you look at zilber in the kashukmed he asks the shilah about human beings who are being used to make a makita. He brings a story from the about some people who are standing in order to make a separation between and other people who need to dodujah. So the sh is the people who are acting as that makita. Do they have a that they're already within the makita? They're the mum. Another example is if you could come up with a sear of people being the wall of a suka because there is a because it is possible for a person to be a wall of the suka to allow you to eat in the suka. The question is can the people acting as the wall can they actually eat in this makeshift suka? Okay. But anyway that was shittas rav. We figured out how to work out. She disabs the aver came back in. Let's say it stuck out it a and you cut it off. That which was outside meaning that severed limb will be and that which is inside meaning the rest of the will be let's say you do the while that aver is sticking out and then afterwards you cut off that a turning over to the buser of the uber and the mother is to because the fact that it touched this nea remember part of this thing is a nea sticking out that's dribb mayor maga the buser of the shutoa is going to become magata nota but a lower level of toma like magata. So of course that's not but the bry that we're actually bringing the rim said in the beginning. So isn't that talking about even that you stuck out which is talking about the actual Uber itself. If you're talking about the Uber safe, why should it be even though it was talking about the Uber is not talking about that a forum of okay there's no either from our or from the you're telling me that that a is going to be came with a says let's say one of its parasites, right? Which is one of the sim of the cautious of the animal. If a single split hoof went back into the animal, then you're allowed to eat the animal. If both of them went back, you're also allowed to eat it. So my love, it sounds very much like from this bry that if the Uber stuck out one of its foot, that same foot that pulled back in, you're allowed to eat, which is that says you're not allowed to eat that one because it has no on it. Which says no, that's not how to read the Bryce. When we say it's deep, we're not talking about that leg. According to Ravami, it's only going to be a header for the Uber. In fact, uber because the Uber was always going to be it's talking about that same area that it was actually flush with the outside of the animal. The Tana brings two different of and since it's all the same, it makes more sense that each one should be talking about two different denim. One's talking about the a itself besides the other is coming for a different kind of collet where the animals not really have the split hooves because each one of the legs has a single hoof than the split hooves. So if this Uber doesn't have split hooves, it's still a shakra that it could still be mut to eat. That if you have a meaning this anomaly of this uber that has the non-split hooves, but it's coming from a kasher animal, it's going to be according to it'll be even though it doesn't have the technical split hooves that you would expect from a kasher animal. But the bottom line is there's no kashan ra from here either. That's all she does. that that a is going to be even though the mother atma is mut argues with rav and says that that will be mut even though who's quoting and had said himself that that aver is going to be like rav so who's going to give us the apher this dust of ravage that we're going to fill our eyes with it which is an expression of hal could take their dust maybe even from their graves to put into my eyes of so you're saying this is what had said meaning if they leave their not let from them and if they become then they will stay even if they go back to their but that is only talking about who depart So that a will be because the is not talking about only talking about the kim and therefore argues with rav m let's ask on this from this I would also think would also have the same that it would be muta therefore it's not kusher and it sounds like it's definitely going to be and therefore says now regarding this where do we actually see this so you're supposed to take these kinds of pairs to the base of magnitional and not eat will be it's okay to take it out and go back in. That's the context of that price was talking about they taught it like this and therefore it'll become once it goes out if it doesn't have what difference is there in the two ways to say the is of the ific of the a stays inside the mother and only of the a goes out because according to the first lion that says ra is saying when the whole a leaves it's going to be user maybe only the part that actually left the mother's was going to be user. But according to this other version, according to Marava where Rava is saying that there's considered a lea, it has to be right of that aver to be considered a lea for that aver. We're going to stop here and pick it up with E boyhoo for tomorrow's dove.