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Chullin Daf 65
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All right, today's daf samak shabas is
daf. We've been talking about kusher
birds and their eggs and today once we
finish that we'll get into grasshoppers.
But first we're up to the middle of
it's like seven lines before the lines
get wide.
How do you know that eggs that come from
not crusher birds are going to be to eat
the which is the daughter of this which
according to a lot of items seem to be
the ostrich.
Does an ostrich give birth to a live
animal that it can be called a baso? No,
no, it doesn't. It lays an egg. What's
the bas that we're talking about that
product of it? Zuba toa. So you have
this rebu in the basay that can't be
referring to a live birth, but rather to
an egg coming to tell you that that is
going to be user to eat. Minhhatra the
ram in mulasaurus beginning a pair of
gimbal says this is the mocker for any
yitz from a not kusher animal that it's
also going to be user. In other words,
we accept it as a fact that any yates
from a dvar is going to be tame and
typhus even asks for a kasha anomal like
why is the gumar looking for a muker?
It's a regular yitz. But the Rambam
learns that this is the booker for
Absilates. Interestingly, the Rambam
doesn't want to give you malus for
eating something at he compares it to a
man where even according to Katirra, you
still don't get malus. The magishna
brings from mushimum that argue with
that raam frict. How can you make a
dasha from the basayana the dilma humyu?
Maybe that's its name. It's called a
basayana and you can't therefore say
it's talking about the egg that comes
from it
that that's the name of it a basayana
because it says in the pk in the fourth
per of which seems to be good timing
being that we just started the three
weeks because the says
like these that are in the midbar. So
don't talk to me about the yana being
called a basana because the puss
expressly calls it just a without having
the bas in the front. Well, practicing
Marvelite, but maybe I'll show you that
the name is Basana.
The mik seems to be calling it a benana.
And over there, we're talking about the
beno being Miss Abel. And obviously eggs
are not being missel. They can't talk.
And for the mis means I'm going to be
singing like the Anna, which is Miss
Abel on its own. Meaning the benana is
not talking about its children but
rather there will be an ais like the ais
on its young. You read the pus a little
differently
which this seems to call the actual bird
the benana which the answers
again a way to read the not the
bonana are going to be singing praise.
If you tell me the basian talk about the
egg of the yana
an egg can't sing shiraiv hayana basana
sometimes is written yana sometimes
written basana vashani haka when the
terra will sing basana amongst the not
kusher birds clearly the bas is not part
of the name
because the cipher when he writes the
tyra he actually makes it into two words
bas and yana two different words so
therefore over here the tyra calls the
bird yana and the bas is referring to
its egg just on that point of the garra
saying that baab Basar Shir that an egg
can't sing Shira. The Margolius Ashass
points out that whenever you have these
animals singing Shira, it's always a
shila. Is it the animal that sings a
Shira or the Malik of the animal that
sings a Shira? So this gar seems to
imply it's the actual animal because the
malik could do it even if it would be an
egg. Frank Safra from the fact that the
cipher broken into two words moving over
to
does that mean that the egg of the is
separate than the yana and it's not just
a two-word name?
the safer betray that the terra splits
it into two words even though the points
out that ar does not split it into two
words but the saying it's and then is
two different words
you can tell me it's two different
people it's not it's for sure the same
person was his name
because
you can separate into two words but
won't be two different lines of the
baser
can split the words bas and yana on two
different lines. So clearly it's not two
words of the same name but it's two
different things. One being the mother
bird and one being the egg. There's
actually an important ran over here
where Iran
and the daff says that when you write a
get you can't put the husband and the
wife on two different lines and it's
brought that way in
just like has to be on the same line so
too the information in a document like
again has to be on the same line and the
mucker is going to be then the said
etc because the tyra does not give us
real simash but kazal know that we had
these different sim that imply kash or
not kasherness by birds so tanya The
Bryce says
if a bird is dy is definitely not kusher
and when we spoke out there different
reshinim and what that might mean
according to rashi back on ness it's
that the bird will use its claws to lift
the food to its mouth rather than
bending down to eat it. Tyus doesn't
like that because a chicken does that.
We know a chicken's kusher. So Tyus says
it's dur while the actual prey is still
alive. And the ramban is a third shot
says that it uses dus means it actually
kills its prey with its claws. But
either way, we know that dy is going to
make it not kosher. Also, if it has this
extra toe or visic or a crop or van or
you can peel off the cork of those are
actually simony of cases of the bird.
How do you test it out? You take this
string and you stretch it across. Give
it a high wire.
If it splits its feet when it stands on
it,
then it'll be tummy. That is a rya. That
is a tummy bird. And when we say I'm
saying that really it's the we keep
claring about whether or not are a sim
or a because if it's a then that's what
makes it kosher or not kosher
it's a sim of being
if there's only one toe and three toes
split accordingly then it'll be
any bird that can stuff in the air like
if you throw it and catches it the prey
in the air tom is definitely tommyra see
part
Even the kosher birds will do that.
It's not that just catches it in the
air. It catches it and eats it in one
fell swoop. That's when it's going to be
not kosher.
A bird that lives with other noter birds
is also itself not kosher. It'll be
which really seems to speak to the
muservart of your
respectively. So that is the so who's
going like is going like
Zarzer. It's not for nothing that the
Zarzer goes to the which we know to be
not kosher because the zar is the same
min as the surely ising any bird that
lives with nasher birds but the argue
with their bazar and I guess we're not
so happy about putting the together with
the
not just they live by the nusher birds
it also means they look like the
non-casher birds. So any bird that both
lives by ncusher birds and looks like
not kusher birds is for sure can be
considered like a ncusher bird. That's
what the are teaching us. But if it just
lives by the nakasher birds but doesn't
look like it, so then according to Billy
it, it'll be user. But according to
it'll still be kosher. Okay. So
concludes birds. Now we move on to
grasshoppers.
The Mishna had listed a bunch of
different forer grasshoppers that has to
have four legs, four wings, two jumping
legs and wings that cover the ro of its
body. And also had said in the Mishna
that has to have the name of a kagov. So
when we said it has to cover rife of its
body
of yehud
of the length of the grasshopper
and some say what ra meant is most of
the circumference of the actual
grasshopper
does here what he does throughout which
he says let's just do both shittas right
like
you say both was all about making schol
with the shittas ton raon the brace has
says
the grasshopper doesn't have its jumping
legs now when it's a little baby
grasshopper but it will grow them later
which develops those legs later on mut
it's still going to be kosher to eat
it's actually marum is that way in the
because the pics say that you're allowed
to eat it if it has no jumping legs
that's low with
how do you read it you read it that it
has these kind of legs it's creative
that's how we that it's going to grow
them later on So in the context of the
creukivar mentioned in an interesting
chuba from Misha about whether or not
when a balkure is reading of course a
bal can't do anything by heart right if
he loses his place he has to find this
place before he reads a word what about
kiosk does he have to look at the word
even though he's technically not reading
what it's written in the Tyra he's
actually kind of saying it by heart but
in giml is responding to a shil from
greenblat and says no you do have to
actually look at it inside even though
it's a creo my zahal when the bryce
talks about the zahalaya That's ascrin.
That's the kind of grasshopper we're
talking about. And now we're going to
bring these lengthyly bryes which is
basically going to take us until the end
of the do today. Tanu raon the bry says
arguy.
The bry is coming to explain when the
tyrus says arba it's referring to the
govoy grasshopper which is what the puss
continues and says Russ. That's the name
of that kind of grasshopper
and guardian minoi. When the terror says
and then
the terra uses this expression of
according to its kind four different
times
these four mean correspond to the ones
that are named in the terra specifically
and that's what's
you have the cl you got the prat aroy
lemi and its min is coming turning over
tid bays
which is similar to the Arab as we'll
see because it's not bald like other
grasshoppers as well as any other
grasshoppers that also have that same
kind of characteristic. So,
so far we've only been talking about the
four kinds of grasshoppers. They have
the Daly listed in our Mishna. But they
don't have that sim of having a bald
head. But
how you know if we see one of these
kinds of grasshoppers that's bald,
if this grasshopper is bald, you can say
salam and it's going to be kosher and
that's referring to the bald
grasshopper. Le what's the mu that's
coming to be marsh
which is also bald and therefore going
to be kosher.
Still we've only been establishing that
which is going to be kosher that has the
and it either is missing the bald head
like the Arab or has the bald head like
the salam but
it has no tail.
How do you know that if it has a tail it
will also still be
which has a tail. What's that coming to
include
which also have tails?
That's what we've been establishing so
far.
What about if it has no long head? Or
if it does have a long head, how do I
know that it will also be a kusher
grasshopper?
You can make a pin from the
all those kinds of categories by saying
one is not like the other.
What's the between all these different
kinds of grasshoppers?
It has four legs and four wings and the
jumping legs
and its wings cover of its body.
They'll all be kusher. Even if the head
of the grasshopper is long, but how can
that be? What about if you're going to
talk to me about a cricket?
I might think it's actually
it has to have the name. So if you want
to broaden the definition of to include
any kind of jumping insect so
you might think that even if it doesn't
have all the cautious that we mentioned
earlier
it has to be d to that same kind of
characteristics
it has to have the sim of the four
walking legs and the four wings and the
jumping legs and the wings to cover of
its body and since it's the cricket
doesn't have that it will not be kosher
and whenever we see there's always the
or is it actually a different ammyra
named if it is raen it would be after
raashi and kind of inserted into the gum
after the fact asked
which kind of grasshoppers have all
those kinds of sim of kash but don't
have the elongated head now you want to
tell me since it has four different
we can say it's kasher and we're not
going to slug up the difference just
because of the fact that it has the
longer head I'll say no it's not true
which is similar to for the arba and the
salam because it has the different four
sim but the only difference is that it
has a tail
I wouldn't need to have the name of this
listed in the because I would have the
four different and that should be enough
because it's to the
because it has no tail
from the very fact that the tail is a
simmon of its discrepancy so to the so
to the should also be a reason why you
need to have a mocker
this is what the t meant
thera mention is extra
once I establish
because of the so the salam also has the
same characteristics having the same
legs wings jumping legs and the wings
that cover of it so it's also going to
be kosher to my what are you going to
ask
doesn't have the bald head
and it's kosher anyway
and what you want to tell me that the
salam which doesn't have a tail it's
going to be it's not going to be
comparable to the kagle that has a tail
Well, I'll turn around and say and still
it's going to be kosher. So,
so therefore itself tells you that even
the longheaded grasshoppers are going to
be kosher as long as they have the other
four different simas. Now, the raj over
here says we're not going to want to eat
any grasshoppers because we don't have a
mess. The ines
is very unhappy with people who eat
grasshoppers even though they think they
have a mess on it. So bottom line, I
would strongly urge the to stop eating
grasshoppers.