Chullin Daf 61

Okay, today's daf alf Monday's daf as we pick it up at the very bottom line of sam bay as we take a deeper dive into figuring out what birds are kusher to eat. The Mishna had said that the tyra doesn't list what the simon are of a knife. We know fish have simonum snapper and cascuses. We know behemoth and have simon split hooves and chooses its cud but birds don't have any specific sim that are listed in the fracture moving over a neer which might be an eagle or a vulture just like the neer is unique that it doesn't have that extra toe that we talked about that's a sim of cautious this effect it doesn't have a crop it can't peel its corkus and somehow it uses its claws in the context of eating we mentioned it's shin what dy means but the neesher has these for simon of non- kashras so that kind of bird is t of kit so we can apply that any other bird that has these forcim of tom will also be not kosher on the other extreme you have tyrn tyr says that these tyrin the turtle doves or whoever you want to touch tyrinets vizic vork a darson vin in they have all four sim of kash they'll be tyin so the bryce is telling us that you do have simonyim from the very fact that the neesher has four simonum of non-cash and the tyran has four simonum of kashras there in lies your simon what's going on with our mishna that says that the tyra doesn't give us cyhim the tyra doesn't explicitly say what the simon are rather kazal are able to extrapolate it and we're calling that ciphim it doesn't mean that it's but say when something is not it's called ciphim but still have the of a great example of this might being a when the guy makes a to learn even though but since it's not considered what are you talking about you got a mitzvah to learn all day since we only know it's not from it's rather even though it's that to learn but it doesn't have that same and in that context it was talking about but over here there'll be a difference now practically Ally speaking either you're allowed to eat these birds or not what might be the difference whether or not it's muurish bakra or it's ciphim the ruggage in general whether or not they are a simmon that they are kosher or they themselves are the siba of their kashers and it could be ruggage that if there are mid tyra and they're mafurish in the tyra those are actually sibas of kashers they're kosher because of those sim whereas if they're only mipim the simony kashras are an indication and only a simmon of their kashras which would in turn make nfkaminas tony You know, we just finished saying that the tyran have four simon of kashras whereas the neesher has four simon of nonashas. So what happens in the middle? What happens if you have a bird that has a single simmon of kashras? It will be kosher. Why? Because it doesn't have the characteristics of the neer which has all four simmon. So if you can find me a bird that has one simmon of kash then it's not to therefore it's kosher. As long as you have one of the simmonautious, you're allowed to eat it. Assuming it's not one of the 24 birds that the Torah expressly says you're not allowed to eat. The Torah does list a whole bunch of birds. Even though we ourselves don't exactly know what all these species of birds are, but Lisa there are expressly listed 24 birds that are not kosher. So provided it's not one of those 24 and it has one of the simash, you're allowed to eat it. Let's learn out from tyrn just like the tyran has all four sim. So we should be and say how can your say that only one of the sim is enough to make it need all four just like the tyran to which the garra says if you're telling me if it doesn't have exactly the same characteristics like a tyran it's going to be not kasher then shmanly you wouldn't need to have the list of the 24 because all other birds that don't have all four simash are going to be tame and from the fact that tyra does list all these other birds must be you don't have to have all simony tara well van ma let's learn out from those 24 birds that the terra does list that a bird is not kher if it has three different sim because also other birds that don't have three sim are not allowed to be eaten certainly if it only has two or even one kasher simmon it should certainly not be kasher we should learn from those other birds because some of those birds in the list of 24 do have three simon or two sim of kashras to which the says if you wanted to learn out from any of those 24 why would the terra need to list the ir as one of the list of the not kasher birds The has two simashers. So you'd never need to have the inclusion of an which has two simashes if you're telling me that three simashers are not enough to be maturing over to Ble. So you're right up the gar. So let's talk learn from that two simash is considered not kosher and therefore mahome. Why would the tyran need to list in that list of 24 not kosher birds the parisnia? Because if you're telling me a bird that has two simmon you're not allowed to eat boy and since the paris and which only has one sim of kashras is takisted it can't be that two simmon is going to be not kosher fract the obvious question then venigma parisnia let's take a look at parisnia which only has one sim of kautas and say that all birds with only one sim of kash are not kosher why would I need to include the which has no sim of kash call me boy of course you wouldn't have to list But as long as you have even one simmon of kash, we learn from the that you are allowed to eat it. So in theory, if you could find a bird with even one simmon of kash that's not part of the list of 24 birds that's not kosher, you would say it is kosher. Now which has no signs of kashirus. I learned that a single simmon of kash is going to say it's kosher. Had it not been for the neesher we've already established that parisnia which has one sim of kautus that would be the standard but how could that be so it cannot be the source to teach you what is kosher and what's not because of the problem because are two different things telling me the same thing that's classic to which the answers no because giri that kosher sign that we find by one the paris is leah is not found by the other one the oia leabay and vice versa. The same way they're different, so they're not considered snakes. As we said, there are 24 different types of noter birds in the Torah. 23 of which outside the neure do have some simum of kashras. So it's you can't say that one of the simum of kashras that is in the parisnia is not also in one of those other birds from the list of 24. So lisa why the terra need to speak at the nasher soar we have a messy estim there 24 different types of not kasher birds listed in the traba and there are four signs of that kashas so tasa bakulu three of those simony kashras are distributed amongst all 23 I'm saying 23 because because the 24th is the ner which has no simony kashras and how does that 23 break down estrama 20 of those 23 have all three simony kashras utre and the irv has two of the three sim and but is the and the paris don't have the respective simum because they're two different ones for each bird. So you might have thought that we should learn from this bird that any bird with that particular sim of cautious but no other sim of cautious is going to be not to tell you that as long as there's even one sim of cautious it will be kosher. So if you're telling me that all I need to know is that there's at least one sim of cautious. Why does the tyran need to tell me that tyran are kosher at all? It's push that there should be a kosher they have forum of kash and you don't even need to know that there's going to be more than one sim of kash to make it kosher carbon. The reason why the tyra says specifically the tyrin are going to be kasher is not for the eating them. It's for the kash of the carbon which is a higher standard. So you need to have forceim in order to be able to bring this bird as a carbon. And we'll stop here and pick it up with Omar of Nakman for tomorrow's dove.