Chullin Daf 59

All right, dafna and test Sundays daf picking it up at the very bottom line of known has made base my Tia the Bryce had listed that if the animal eats Tia it's not going to be a treifa and you're still allowed to eat the animal. So my Tia what is this thing called Tia? So I'm Ruby who do moving over to my dollop it Cara de marita. It's the root of this poisonous plant. Maybe it's Wolfsbane on Ruby who do how am I going to tell us what tickle a hilters a Libra a corner if you eat these three shekel weights of hilters on an empty stomach mishnah mash hey your skin's going to fall off either it's cuz your skin will fall off cuz of the extreme fever or there have been a Gershom learns you're going to be so itchy that you're going to scratch your skin off. I'm Ruby a bow but he do have a over there a mom was happy with me but I had tickle a hilters I didn't eat three weights worth but I ate one weight worth the lady asked me but Maya mish dollock mash koi had I not gotten into the bathtub for the cool water and cool my body off I would have lost my skin key empty but to me a hawk my tickle you a belly also the hawk my is the medical knowledge that I knew to cool off my skin. So he's saying this happened with only one weight and it doesn't have to be a my like us with Ruby who do because Ruby who do said if you eat these three weights of hilters on an empty stomach you're going to lose your skin. That could be even if you would go into the cool water. I think I saw that with the shame of the terrorists kind but above all saying with one if you don't do the roof wall you're going to lose your skin. I'm Ruby who do you have I am under a hole Siri Bay if someone eats 16 eggs for our boy I'm go say and 40 nuts the show boutique the pier hay and seven of these kinds of berries these kind of berries the show Siri of your Siri of do show and he drinks a review us of honey when but cool with Thomas only be a corner in the summer time on an empty stomach if you do that whole recipe on an empty stomach miss hacker tell you the leap a it's going to be terrible for his heart. It's going to pull on his heart strings in a not such good way and not like the tugging on the heart strings that my client say will make people cry but it's more like pulling on the heart strings out of the neck of the guy's heart attack and dies. Okay. Who bought a TV the also be rage a loser. There was this by TV which will touch as a small deer to have him a carry me to our value. It had his back legs were severed off and now the show is is this animal a treifa. So bad girl but to me so good in the actual area as we had seen before the tsum of you get in that place where higher up on the legs that all the sinews come together Rav was bydek that area and saw well it was intact. The fact that the legs were severed didn't create tarfus and therefore meaning he wanted to eat some of it meaning without proper cooking just wanted to eat it kind of raw meaning he would salt it and eat it like that. So, aren't you worried that maybe this deer was actually bitten by a snake and the reason why you can't see the snake bite holes because the leg is missing there. And therefore the deer should be be sakana of eating an animal that was bitten by a snake. So, Rav said how am I supposed to know whether or not it had a snake bite in there. So, nice way to put into the oven because it will be itself. Ice way they put the deer into the oven and it fell apart into different pieces and therefore indicating that it was bitten by a snake. So, a lady Rav so said about Rav you were saved so implying that his and his was the reason he was spared and saved. But, Rav said about Shmuel Rav Shmuel there's no secret that's missing from you. You know everything Shmuel. As we know Shmuel was a doctor and he knew about this medical procedure to verify if there was snake venom inside the deer. That's a little bit of a troubling story because a couple of first of all Rav was going to eat this thing without cooking it just by salting it which the other places says that's the of Rav Sannes. It's like a gluttonous way to eat animals. So, sure to think that Rav would eat that way. And we even know that Rav wouldn't partake in any Rashos and the very fact that Shmuel knew this medical knowledge and that deserves such praise. This was his expertise. So, what's the big deal? So, the of course Rav doesn't want to eat and Rav would always tell people that he doesn't eat anything from a Rashos. The reason he wouldn't eat by a Rashos is not because of some sort of it was because he was for different of and that he might have about the and if he would be able to do this mitzvah, he would probably come up with other excuses, said the Ben Yo'e Yo'e, that why he wouldn't trust the shchita. And once he checked the tzumos agudin, he didn't feel like he had an excuse not to eat. So, he figured he'll eat it b'umtza because when you're eating it b'umtza, I think, if I understand this correctly, when you're using only melicha, you don't have to worry about the same chumeros of nikur. I guess we'll see later in the sugias. But the process of eating b'umtza was somehow going to be a more kosher way to do it. But this didn't make Rav happy. Rav still wanted to have an excuse not to eat this because he didn't like to from anybody else's food, but he couldn't avoid eating because of the politics of eating by the Rosh Kollel, so Shmuel came up with a suggestion that maybe we should be worried about this far out chashash of the nikur from the snake. So, Rav asked, "What do I do about it?" And Shmuel gave him this medical advice about putting it into the oven, but it turns out that Rav really was saved. So, that was a praise for Rav because of his sidkus, he was takka saved from this far out chashash. But Rav was praising Shmuel that he chapped the whole matzev that Rav didn't really want to eat in the first place and needed an excuse not to eat. Okay. So, the Mishnah, simanei beheima u'chaya nemurim ba'Torah. We know the kashrus signs of a beheima u'chaya cuz they're in the Torah. But the simanei ayef lo nemurim, they're not in the Torah for the simanei ayef. Aval amru chachamim that kol ayef hadaris tamei. Any bird that is daris, it's a big shaila in the Rishonim what does daris mean. Either it means that it picks up the food with its claws and lifts it up or it kills its food using its claws. But somehow the claws are negaya to the lack of kashrus of the ayef. Kol she'eish bo etzba yeseira, if it has an extra toe, maybe like the opposable thumb, you know, something sticking out on the bird's foot. Viz zefek, and it has a crop. U'korkuvanai niklaf, and you can peel the korkuvan, the gizzard, then those will be the simanei of kashrus for a bird, those will be tar. Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Tzadok omer, kol ayef ha'chaylik es raglav tamei. Any bird that if it was on some sort of a string or a wire, it would have its toes split apart on different sides of it, that's going to be a not kosher siman. That's about birds. U've hagavim, and on grasshoppers, kol she'eish lo arba raglayim, if it has four legs, but I have a kind of I am in four wings, the cartoon lion and two jumping legs with enough of kindness to be and its wings cover right of its body, it will be kosher. If you see a hammer which might have of and its name has to also be a hug of that's a synonym of its cashews. Over the dog in the fish call she yes life not for the cascasas if it has fins and scales will be who do I am or snake cascasin who snap here at Scott have two cascasin and one snap here the alien cascasin that's a cover and body that's if it's fixed to the fish meaning it has its scales. With a sun period that's a period behind that's what makes it glide through the water. In other words, it's the fins that push it through the water. So if the Gamara turn around the price of says a low hanging see money behind my these are the same money of a kosher animal called behind me versus para of a gamer any animal that has split hooves and called behind me shamala gear and any animal that choose its card be a do we share in low she name the my low entire definitely does not have these upper front teeth and therefore will be kosher. So that's the price of as we all know from elementary school split hooves and choose its card. But now we're adding this thing about be a do we share in low she name the my low entire doesn't have these upper teeth and therefore it's kosher. For the Gamara color low who is that a rule for her a Gamara what about camel? The my low gear who is certainly choose its card the alien should I am the my low it doesn't have those upper front teeth with Tommy but it's still not kosher. So how are you going to make a rule saying if it doesn't have the front teeth it's going to be kosher and for the Gamara Gamara maybe as well it has these canines it's got these kinds of teeth in its jaw. So it does have the kind of teeth. I have a hurry been Gamara what about the young camel? The navy name a less it doesn't even have those kinds of navy those kinds of teeth. So it won't fit the rule the sue and also hurry shuffle for a nervous which we can simply translate as a rabbit it may not be a rabbit but when these other kinds of not kosher animals the my low gear and they also chew their card the alien should I am the my low to man and they have these kinds of teeth and they're also not kosher. So clearly it's not a good rule but I should I am extremely very nice he never says anything about teeth in the terror at all. So why is the price even mentioning this? Hello he come out with the price of means to say is called behind me should I am the my low any animal that doesn't have these kinds of upper front teeth. It's a right that it does to its kind have split hooves and therefore it's kosher. So the price is telling us that really the in the and but I'm using the teeth as a sign to know that it also has that. It sounds harder to have to check inside the animal's mouth. Just check to see if it's split has split hooves. Seems like a better way to go and for the we might have a case where you can't check its feet. Let's say the feet were cut off. Guys traveling in the what's a should he finds an animal that's hooves were cut off. So I'm stuck now. How do I know if it's a kosher animal? So you can now look in its mouth to determine if it doesn't have these upper front teeth then it's going to be kosher. Then love you do we see and you can rely on this calls money you can identify a camel because a camel doesn't have these kinds of teeth but it's still not kosher. So as long as you know what a camel looks like you can rely on this of looking for the teeth to know if it would have had the split hooves had it still had its feet. But we already established that the camel has these other kinds of teeth these in its upper jaw. Even the small camel which doesn't have the but didn't you yourself say that this was another exception to the rule because the which is still doesn't have the upper teeth and it's not going to be kosher is an exception to the rule also. So that you can maybe there's another men that you don't even know about that looks like a it doesn't have these kinds of teeth and it's still not kosher. So if you can't see the split hooves how can you make any right just because it doesn't have these teeth and it's not a that it's kosher. To which the says there is no other species of animal. The the master of the world here knows that Gomel, only animal that's the exception to the rule, that's Malagera, but it's not kosher cuz it doesn't have the split hooves, it's just a camel. And Taysus points out also the Shofar and the Arnevus. Those are the only exceptions. Lafikach Poret Boycha Kosov Who, so except for the exceptions that are in the Torah, any animal that is Malagera is going to be kosher. So if you check out an animal and you see that it does not have the teeth, it's a Raya that it's Malagera and therefore you can assume it's a kosher animal as long as it's not a Ben Gomel. The Amora of Chizda, I am a Halachic Madarik we traveling on the road who motza Behema she piha gomum and the animal's mouth is so messed up you can't tell if it ever had the front teeth. Boydik Biparsaisa you can check its hooves. Imparsaisa Hasadukus Biadushu Torah, if it's split then it's going to be kosher. Im Lav Biadushu Tamaya. Lovachi Yaker Chazir, as long as you know what a Chazir looks like because it has the split hooves but it does not chew its cud. So as long as you know what this little piggy looks like, you can use the rule of the split hoof to determine if it's kosher. But Valav Amardika Chazir, but you just said that there is this Chazir that is an exception to the rule that even though it has split hooves, it's not going to be kosher. Ekanami Minachrina Damyul Chazir, maybe there are other animals that also have that same kind of misleading Simanim. Amri Mar Lasaka Daicha, there's no other animal. Detana Devar BiShmuel, it's a Chazir Kimafres Parsa Who, and Sholat BiLoma Yadea, the one who is Sholat BiLoma, he knows. Shein L'Chadover Shemafres Parsa BiTomei Ela Chazir, it's the only one that has the split hooves and is still a Tomei Dika animal. Lafikach Poret Biya Kosov Who, so bottom line, if you find an animal has split hooves and you know it's not a pig, you can assume it's going to be kosher. The Amora of Chizda, I am a Halachic BiMidbar, if you're traveling in the midbar, who motza Behema she piha gomum u parsaisa chatuches, and its mouth is messed up so I can't see teeth, its feet are cut off so I can't see hooves, so Boydik BiBisara, you can check out its muscle tissue and make a Hashara that way. Im Mal Shasiv Or Biadushu Torah, if you could stretch it across it's going to be for sure be kosher. The Im Lav Biadushu Tamaya. Lovachi Yaker Or, as long as you know that it's not a wild donkey. Now Valav Amardika Ared, but if you're saying there are exceptions to the rule that you could stretch out the muscle and it's going to be a non-kosher animal because like the arid economy mean nothing to the dominant arid. No, give me the luck of having a Tsar that there is no other specie of animal except for the arid now where are you actually stretching out this muscle to see that it is a semen for cashews the country gates in that area of the posterior of the animal if you can stretch out the muscle it'll be a semen of its cashews. Then the mission Simona the Simona of a kosher behavior and higher are in the Taurus a ton of rabbonim a low hanging Simona higher What are the Simona of a kosher higher practice tomorrow higher you will see money is the same as a behavior but what was the time even asking on Ruby's era turning over to a base we need to know the uniqueness of how to determine what is a higher to be matter the higher because the higher of not for behavior let's go back to the price of kosher any animal that has horns and split hooves is a higher Ruby dice yes for a higher at the closer to a higher if it has horns you don't even have to look to see if it has any split hooves yes if it has the split hooves so I have to look at the corner you still have to check out to see if it has horns Ruby dice yes you have to look at the corner if it has horns you don't have to look to see if it has the split hooves and yes though so I have to look at the corner if it has the split hooves you still have to check to see if it has horns the carriage the carriage corner if the carriage only has one horn by it's a higher we'll see what this animal is soon practice tomorrow if it has the horns and split hooves it's going to make the higher matter because the higher is that such a rule the higher is what about a goat the higher corner and still the higher is also the fairies says that you can't eat the higher of a goat to which the higher says I'll tell you what the price of meant crew case being in the kinds of horns that will be matter the higher have a certain layering in the horns that will make it a riot that it's a higher and a goats horns don't have that layering practice tomorrow higher sure the crew case the higher is also it has those kinds of horns in that for sure Oshur is going to be a behemah and a chayah. And for the Gemara, charukos b'einin. Those horns not only have to be layered, they have to be grooved. And the ox's horns are smooth. Prak the Gemara, v'harei eiz. Let's go back to our goat. D'charukos, d'chelbah osur. The horns have grooves, but they're still a chelev osur. And for the Gemara, m'futsoles b'einin. The horns have to be branched, like the antlers of a deer. That's the raya that they are a chayah. And the goat's horns are not branched. Prak the Gemara, v'harei tzvi. What about a tzvi, which we like to translate as a deer? D'ein m'futsoles, d'chelbah mutur. The horns are not branched, but the chelev is mutur. There is a fascinating Rashi over here, where Rashi is bothered by the metzius. Because a deer has antlers. So, how can you tell me that ein m'futsoles, d'chelbah mutur? So, Rashi says, v'neir b'einai, that shamasha anu karein tzvi. That which we call tzvi, lo haya sham karein tzvi. They didn't call it a tzvi. Elo aisin she'nikra ein steinbok. D'karnaim she'einam m'futsolin. So, it's a different animal. An ibex, a mountain goat, a gazelle. I don't know, these are different animals. Supposedly, Rabbi Slifkin has plenty to say on this Rashi. But anyway, we like to oversimplify and always call a tzvi The Gemara is asking now, l'maisa, the tzvi is ein m'futsoles, but yet chelbah mutur. And for the Gemara, chaduros b'einin. You're right, the horns aren't branched, but they have to be rounded in order to be considered a chayah. And the horns of a tzvi have that rounding, but the horns on a goat do not have that rounding. Helkach, bottom line all this for us. Heicha d'm'futsolah, when the horns have branches, l'deina v'lo deina. You don't even have to check anything out. It's definitely a chayah, and it's chelevly mutur. And heicha d'lei m'futsolah, if it's not branched, b'einin kruchos, chaduros, and charukos. They have to be layered, rounded, and grooved in order to have the simanim of a chayah. B'hu, d'm'iblah cheirkaiyo. And also, the grooved is only if they're so close together they merge one into the other. And the Gemara says, b'ein usfeika d'eiza karkus. And this type of these kinds of horns of a chayah is going to be a shailah when it comes to the karkus goat. Because hahi eiza karkus, this kind of karkus goat, d'havei b'reish glosah, was one time owned by Reish Glosah d'okur m'lo tsana d'tarba minah. There was a basket full of chelev that was taken out of this animal. It's a big basket of cheilev. Achai bar Assi said, Reb Shmuel and Reb Yehudah ate from it. And Reb Shmuel and Reb Yehudah said, "We got to have a good meal because of my heter." They sent from Bavel the halacha is that a carcass goat is mutar. But still you should be makpid on the kavod of our brother who asered shomer einayim galuyot. So out's kavod for him you're not going to eat this thing that you're matter in front of him who asers it. Now going back to what we said before and the keresh af al pi she'ein lo ela keren achas is mutar. This animal is a keresh even though it only has one horn. It's going to be mutar. Keresh tavi de bei ilai. The keresh is the deer of bei ilai. Seems a bit like a unicorn. Tigras arya de bei ilai. And and and the tigras animal which Rashi says I don't know why we're even talking about it because nobody mentioned it. But lema'aseh it's the lion of bei ilai. And now we get into these animals. Teisha amasa teisha amasa have they bein uno leuno dearya de bei ilai. There are nine amos in between the two ears of the lion of bei ilai. Amar Reb Yisa shitser amasa have they mashrei detavi debei ilai. The 16 amos is the length of the deer of bei ilai. Amar lei Keisar Reb Yehoshua ben Chananya. The Keisar one time said to Reb Yehoshua ben Chananya, "El Keichem is karya masil. The pasuk is medameh your Hashem to a lion. De ch'siv arya sho'eg mi lo yira. Who's not going to be afraid of the lion when it roars?" Amar Reb Yehoshua "So what's so great about it? Parsha katla arya. A strong warrior can kill a lion. So I'm not so impressed." Amar lei Reb Yehoshua, "Lav kehayarya masil. Hashem is not like a regular lion that you know about. But kearya debei ilai masil. He's like this big scary bei ilai kind of lion." Amar lei Keisar back to Reb Yehoshua ben Chananya, "Be'ina de machazis leinei lei. I want to see this kind of lion of the bei ilai kind of lion that you're talking about." Amar lei Reb Yehoshua, "Leima tis chazis lei. You're not shayach to even seeing it. It's too scary." Amar lei Now Keisar says, "Ivra chazina lei. I want to see it. You got to show it to me." So Reb Nachman so Reb Yehoshua ben Chananya davened is Aker midukte. And that lion kind of came out from its, I guess, hiding place. Ki havim machik arba meya parsi niyam chad kola. When it was 400 parsi away, it let out one roar. I feel the cold my barta vishura d'remi nafla. And all the pregnant women miscarried, the walls of Rome collapsed. Adam arachik tlas meya parsi niyam kola achrina. When it was 300 parsi away, it let out another roar. Noser kochevi shina d'gavri. And the men's teeth fell out. Vi'afu nafla mikursi l'ara. And Caesar himself fell off his throne and hit the ground. Amarle says Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai, "B'matusa minach, I'm begging you." By Rachme alei, t'lahada l'dukte. Get rid of it. Davening it should go away. By Rachme alei v'hadar leila asrei. Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai davened, and the lion went away. Over here, the Chashukei Chemed of Rav Zilberstein says that Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai made the lion come out and the women all miscarried. So, he brings the shaila about collateral damage in time of war, which this was. And how the rules, Rachmana l'tzlan, are different, and there are heterim to allow for collateral damage because the regular pikuch nefesh rules don't always apply. All right, we're going to stop here and pick it up with the Amarle case of Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai. And we're going to get into some more agadata tomorrow. We'll pick it up from here.