Chullin Daf 47

All right, daf mem zayin, Tuesday's daf. As we were discussing these different halachas about the lungs with Rava, and we'll pick it up now, mem vav amud beis, close to the bottom of the amud, three lines from the bottom. V'eima Rava, "Hani tarti unnei d'srichan l'ahadadi." Let's say you got these two lobes of the lung that are sticking one to the other. These are the classic sirchas. You can think of them as like scabs that kind of put together the lungs. The halacha is less l'hu b'dika, you can't actually check it, because even if you put the lung into the water and it's airtight, these sirchas have closed off where the air would escape, but that doesn't make it any more kosher, it's still a treifa, so therefore you can't check them. And therefore it's a problem if the unnei are s'richan l'ahadadi. But v'lo yomar anan lo shurei k'sidran, that's only if those lobes that are stuck together with these sirchas are not consecutive, but rather the first and third might be connected to each other. Because if it's k'sidran, avu k'sidran hai nu r'vi sayhu, which is an expression that you find in different contexts, that that's its normal way. And when something is r'vi sayhu, when the lobes naturally move one to the other is the way they grow, then the sircha is not going to make a problem. Even though physically it's the same kind of sircha, the same kind of scabbing, but since it's r'vi sayhu, it doesn't create a treifa. So moving over to amud aleph, v'eima Rava, "Hani tarti bu'ei d'smichan l'ahadadi." Let's say there's two of these blisters or bubbles on the lung that are next to each other, less l'hu b'dikusah. They also can't be checked. It won't help you if you b'dika them in the water because they'll be airtight as a result of these bu'eis. So what do you do? If it's just one blister, if it's chada u'mischaziya k'tartin, and it looks like two, well then we got to determine. Maiseinan silva, bring a thorn, u'bazi'inan lo, and puncture this double blister on one of the two sides. T'ei shafchan l'ahadadi, if the liquid one of the blisters drains from both sides, meaning it was one big blister, okay, then chada hi k'sheira. So then even though it looks like kind of two blisters, but really it's only one big blister, that's why the that's why the fluid can completely drain out of the hole you made. V'ei lo, but if the fluid does not drain from compartment A into compartment B, then tartin u'treifa, and that will be a problem. V'eima Rava, [clears throat] "Chamsha unnei is leil re'ah." The lung has five different lobes. Appa k'lappei gavra, the underside of the animal that faces the person when it's hung up by its hind legs. In such a situation, plus a meamina, a tartemus mola. There are three on the right, two on the left. Chaser oyatier oy cholef, if there's a lobe that's extra or it's missing and doesn't have that setup of these unays, then it'll be treifa. There was once a case that came before Maraymar that had an extra unays. So have a Yosef bar Achah Abba, Rav Achah was sitting at the entrance to Maraymar's house. So when this shochet who came to ask the shaila to Maraymar left, Omar layer What did Maraymar say? Achshur nilayhi was matrid. Well, Rav Achah was pretty surprised at that cuz he went differently than Rava who says that the extra unay is going to make the animal into a treifa. So Omar layzok to Rav Achah to the shochet, You should take it back to Maraymar. Ask him again. Maybe he didn't see it carefully the first time. When it was brought back a second time, Maraymar who recognizes that the shochet was sent in the second time says, Go tell the one who's sitting by the door, I'm meaning Rav Achah, Probably a serous. We don't pasken like Rava if there's an extra lobe, if there's an extra una. And therefore it will not make the animal into a treifa anyway. But where is this cooler? That's the kind of badora deuna. If it's in the right location, in the right row of these unays. But if it's between the rows, then it taco will be a treifa. I guess it's not natural that way. There was this shaila about lungs that had an extra una in between the rows that came to Rav Ashi. The mice that's what we just said. Omar lay Ravuna bar Ravaya, The yossa chachi eslu, all of these kind of wild animals have these extra lobes. And this little extra lobe even has a name that the butchers give it, they call it the rose like lobe. But where is it going to be located? Behind him big away. That's only if it comes from the inside, meaning it's on the underside of the lungs. But if it's on the dorsal side, which is the side that's up against the spine, Even if it's small as a tarfa deasa, which is the leaf of a myrtle tree, the beheimah will be a treifa. Omar Rafram, chireia de damya le ufta treifa. Let's say the lung is like a piece of wood, it's a treifa. We had this word ufta earlier when we talking about writing the letter vav on the bark of a tree. It's like a piece of wood. So, what do we mean by that? Eka de amri be chazusa, it looks like that, it looks like the wood. Ve eka de amri be gishta, maybe it's the way it feels, it feels like the wood. So, eka de amri an ifta, if it looks like it, meaning that lung is bloated and therefore whitish and therefore the color looks like wood. Ve eka de amri aprizo, and some say it's the way it feels, that it's the texture of it is like hardened like wood. Ve eka de amri de shia de les le chituche de unai. And some say that Rafram's talking about it's smooth and doesn't have the separation of these lobes, doesn't have these divisions. Omar Rava, ke chuch le shera, if the lung is colored blue, it's going to be kosher. Ke de aisa treifa, but it looks like dried ink, which is going to be black, it is a treifa. De amar Rav Chanina, shachar o dam hu ela she laka. And this is of course in reference to dam nida. If you see dam that's shachar is black, it really is blood, but it just was laka, it somehow became somehow sickened and turned black. Same thing with the lung, really the black means it was red and deteriorated and became black. It was diseased. Continues Rava, yeruka ke shera mid Rebbi Nosson, if it's greenish, it'll be kosher based on what Reb Nosson says. We'll see soon what that means. Aduma ke shera ke de Rebbi Nosson, if it's red, it's kosher based on what Reb Nosson says. De Tanya, the braisa says Reb Nosson amar pa macha le achti le kachra yam. Passi isha achas le fanai, a woman came to me, she mal bena rishon umes, she niyo mes. The woman nebach maled her son, I don't know if she maled him she hired but the fact is her baby boy was gemaled and died, and then a second one was gemaled and died. Kid sounds like a hemophiliac. So, shlishi viato le fanai, she brought this third boy to me to pasken whether or not should I mal him. So, raisov shahu ya odom, I saw that he was red. Amar tila, so I said to her, biti, amtini le achi yibola le achi yibola boi damai. Wait until the blood goes away from the surface of his skin and it gets absorbed into the body, then you could do a proper mila. She amtini le umalo yisai vachaya. Yay. And because of the tape she had, she got this she called the baby nothing about me she named him after me another time woman came to me she brought me her third son to ask for reason and I saw that he was greenish meaning the dam had not yet spread properly in his body. different washing here. I examined him down bricks. He didn't have any blood meaning there wasn't enough blood in this body moving around properly to do the Mila. So BT I'm telling you until his blood comes in. Omar of Kahana if the lungs look like liver meaning it's the color of a liver or the learns it has the texture of a liver it'll be kosher. But if the lung looks like a regular piece of flesh that is like treif. Treif. looks like the color of all these different ingredients hops, saffron or like the yellow of an egg all those things are going to be treif. But if you're telling me that if it's yellow like an egg it's going to be treif. So what's the case that it will be kosher like I said when you was kosher? That's if it looks like the color of a leak. I'm a Ravina autumn breya if there's a clogged up section of the lung of this animal that the air can't get My skin is coming out you can bring a knife and cut it open where that clogged area is. E is if there is in it that the pus comes out from this incision. Then we can chalk up this clogging of the lungs due to that pus and therefore the animal is going to be kosher. But if you like there's no pus that comes out of the incision then my skin got fire then we can put some kind of a little thing on there a feather or some rake and then inflate the lung. If it flutters like we saw it days ago, or the rake bubbles up, so clearly the air is getting through and therefore the animal is kosher. If it will be a treifa. If a wound in a crumb is scab that comes as a result of a wound to the lung, which would seal up this hole, is not going to be a proper scab. Meaning it doesn't act to really close up the hole and therefore the animal becomes a treifa. If the lung is making a hissing noise when you inflate it, meaning the air is escaping, so now we have to take a look at it. If we know where it's making the noise, we could pinpoint that spot where the hissing is coming from. Then we could put on these different materials. If it flutters, that material that you put on it, then clearly the air is escaping the lung and the animal is still a treifa. But if it doesn't flutter, then it's clear that no air is escaping from the lung and the animal is kosher. If we don't know where the source of the hissing sound is coming from, so then bring a big bowl of warm water and you put the whole lung into it. Don't use hot water because the hot water will shrivel up the lung, closing up the hole and therefore we won't be able to identify properly. Don't use too cold water because the cold water will stiffen the lung and therefore you won't also have a good test. It should be just right, lukewarm water when you're inflating the lung. If it flutters, it will be treifa. And why is it going to be kosher? Because it clearly is the inner membrane that got punctured but the outer one is not punctured and it will hold in the air. And how do you explain the hissing sound? The hissing sound is coming from the area in between the space of these two membranes. If the lung is dissolved, so now it's liquefied, it will still be kosher, even though you can pour it out like a liquid. Because it's an internal hissing sound, it doesn't make the animal into a treifa. Because this is certainly a hissing sound in the actual substance of the lung, but still it's going to be kosher. If the lung was punctured or it was deficient on the outside, meaning the piece of the outside of the lung was deficient, so now it's liquefied, it will still be kosher, even though you can pour it out like a liquid. Because it's an internal hissing sound, it doesn't make the animal into a treifa. Because this is certainly a hissing sound in the actual substance of the lung, but still it's going to be kosher. If the lung was punctured or it was deficient on the outside, meaning the piece of the outside of the lung was deficient, so now it's liquefied, it will still be kosher, even though you can pour it out like a liquid. Because it's an internal hissing sound, it doesn't make the animal into a treifa. Because this is certainly a hissing sound in the actual substance of the lung, but still it's going to be kosher. If the lung was punctured or it was deficient on the outside, meaning the piece of the outside of the lung was deficient, so now it's liquefied, it will still be kosher, even though you can pour it out like a liquid. Because it's an internal hissing sound, it doesn't make the animal into a treifa. Because this is certainly a hissing sound in the actual substance of the lung, but still it's going to be kosher. If the lung was punctured or it was deficient on the outside, meaning the piece of the outside of the lung was deficient, so now it's liquefied, it will still be kosher, even though you can pour it out like a liquid. Because it's an internal hissing sound, it doesn't make the surface of the lung was missing. So then I knew that's the same thing as saying it's punctured which would be the a lot of must be the inside of the lung is somehow deficient. Which is the same thing as so the heart is connected to the so when the mission said that it's somehow it's talking about the outside of the lung but the core I do which is the same thing as a hole well I'll tell you know we have to mention the not give fine eyes because according to the mission the mission said the only time a punctured lung is going to be a treif if it's punctured all the way into the to the bronchi. Now I don't remember if it was supposed into the bronchi which I think is the right way to pronounce it instead of bronchi. I don't remember anymore what told me but by saying it was a the mission is telling us that neck of the left lung I will neck of the lung I feel might have but if it's actually a hole that really has a loss of actual material in it that's that's the even will be will be a treif even though it doesn't go all the way into the bronchi and we'll stop here before I got sick and we'll save that for tomorrow. The death.