Chullin Daf 44

All right, Daf Malid. This is Shabas Daf. And we were talking about this story where rava was very mahm to the ben ravoka because the shila was nag to a turbet which is that top of the esophagus the top of the vehet and there's a micus between rav and whether or not that's considered a makita and he was machmir like both that even the smallest nekv in the veset will also make it into a traa and ah you'll say all right but lisa it is considered a mukita so it should be a good but he also was machmir like they say it's not a makumita and even if you hold like holds you need to have r of the vesa to be But in order to create a tarfus you can go like Rav who holds even the smallest neck creates the tarfus. So by holding the humras of both shittas rava made this animal totally trafe and now we're picking it up five lines from the bottom of megimble bay Omar marbar de raina mvina son da I'm going to have thisina I'm going to slug up rava but he calls him sanane drava the enemies of rava because he's about to have almost like an insulting kind of a tina as we'll see and he didn't want to say it to directly so he's against the enemies of rava and he starts this off with a quote Isa but really you can go like either B which is an inherent and the Gar is going to have to clarify you just said like B now you can't say you can pick and choose to go like Basil or B and then B let's say you want to go buster both kulas of the respective shittas then Russia because you're just picking and choosing kas moving over to which sounds like which sounds like you're being a that you're going to like both of their kahela says says that fool is traveling in darkness because anybody could be like everybody did that's an amoratis either go like all the way or mule. So you can't pick and choose you can't go shopping for your kulas or your rather you have to stick with oneita all the way. So now this of course is a kasha and rava that you can't pick and choose thermas of rava and to trafe up this animal. And now we understand why he didn't want to say he had a kash on Raa but the enemies of Rava because he had this kind of a sharp comment of saying and he's not going to call but first we got [clears throat] to explain the actual of this memor itself seems to have a steer that we always like that you could go like well which one is it but like the price itself is not fair. There was a bas that announced that we like basil. So it depends whether or not we're talking before or after that basal existed that you can even pick to go like or because so either way the price itself it's not going to be but kosha what do we say for you can't just asking like the random shittas you have to go with one name all the way through also unique name kula karav ada rava wasn't just picking and choosing he was tak going all the way with shittita rav it's just that rava had a different understanding of what Rav's was. As we'll now explain, don't pay attention to that which Yehuda my brother said because this is what Rav said a meaning a certain area where the can happen. Now if you're saying that the veset has some shum to it to have that top area of the vashet is because otherwise you wouldn't tell me a would just say the whole v would be okay for the komashu and what does rav still say that the smallest neckv in the vet will make this behemoth into a traa. So in rakkins the starting in the turpus of ves and working its way down is mamish rav and inami raven never said he was really going like the of both ravage because he was just going like rav okay so now that we said that there's going to be a shear in the shita of the vet now you actually got to give me the rules what the top level of the hand can grab it at the top which rashi learns means three or four it's bis tyisus brings other ideas the rishinum suggest but it's all going to be a small amount of little centimeters there until that point you could do the and what's the bottom line you could do the until the point where it becomes se where there's hair now of course we're not talking about hair on the outside we're talking about on the inside the digestive tract there these little things that look like hairs at that point you can no longer do the it's too low I am a can you really go down all the way until that point so low on the A tea of the food pipe which is attached to the stomach is considered the carapim. So am I. Why does Rabv say that in the is legal all the way down until it gets hairy which we assume is all the way into the car when you that last you're actually in the already you're already in that caris which is certainly possible but what did Rav mean when he said that bottom shear it's that last of that part of the stomach near the is called thei which is what our mission was talking about the whole tube. tube all the way down to the car is considered the veset and the carapmia is not that last tea of that simmon but rather it's the first teak of the actual stomach itself. So there's no problem with such a low down going all the way down to this point of the seer of the hair. In other words, where the veset meets the caris as ravu had said another mahalik which would not require us to change what rav had said is the definition here. We're talking about an ox the masier fay. It's got more of these kind of hairike substances further up along the vet. So it's a different shear for that animal. And therefore there's no kosher. Let's say that whole area of the top of the vashet had become detached from the lower jaw. The animal is not going to be a traifon of tuna. And we learned this in a Mishna that is kosher. If the whole lower jaw was removed from the animal, it's still going to be mut. Even though you're essentially detaching both of the sim, but the animal is still going to be kosher, which is certainly in line with what is saying that removing the taset from the lower jaw is not going to make it into a tra mask of papa. There's still another problem. How is this animal allowed to be mutter? Either the animal starting off being a tra or there's anor which is one of the things but now you already have a problem with papa how you going to understand our if you took away the how was the saying it's kosher in the first place there's an eer issue I don't have a problem there because where is talking about where those were uprooted from the area of the jawbone but this is We're talking about where the whole lower jaw was cut away from above the simon but the buser connected to the sim was still intact but according to the got detached that's going to be because there's an equal going on which the answers on behalf of okay it didn't get completely detached it was just and as long as some of that vet stays in place m the animal butami if it was all kind of nakar then the animal would be takoser via Omar if of the became detached the animals how can say that as long as there's something epis connected it'll be okay and for the where say that it's mut even if missing that's talking about where was peeled away such that the detached portion is still continuous but where rabbana said that the animal is going to be a traa that's where we're separated in different faces which implies that it was wrenched out. So in such a case even the part that stayed behind is still going to be stared because of the fact that it was wrenched out and therefore it won't heal and that's why the animals are at trauma. But if that detached section was peeled away in a continuous line even if there's only a minor amount that remains it'll still be okay because it will be considered that it could potentially heal. Then the mission had saidukasaras if the behemoth's k trachea is severed not because of aita but because it was already cut then that's a trafa. So ton of the Bryce says kama how much of that has to be nifak to make it into a trafa verba as we know most of the kana has to be separated to make it into a traa vama ruba what does the bry mean when it says ruba rav armor turning over to mbay's roy of its thickness which means from front to back including the thickness of the actual wall of the kana itself amila and some say a different version of what rav had said that's kalala ra of its hollow inside are you actually measuring it from the inside or the outside that's the nfkam here. There was once this animal with a cut that came before Rav was looking at it to see if it was cut through the rave of its lianu. Didn't you teach us that you're supposed to look at the interior hollow part of it and not the thickness of the actual ka itself? At that point sent this, the one that had the sha to get up. So was he looked to see in the inside in theal and it didn't go through that much and therefore he was and he bought 13 worth of that meat. In other words, Rabbarana himself went ahead and bought it because hey this is kosher. He could buy it now. How was now allowed to be m that which raar said was we learned in the team once a makes up sak that's something to his can't now turn around make and similarly so if that's the case rav who was already assering this behem how was rabban allowed now to be mature to raer meer ra really didn't make iter even though rav held it to be user but he didn't give such a he said let's ask you he didn't want to make the psac out loud there was a whether or not the reason why one can't be mater which another pash' say it's because of the covet of the first but if that would be the case then it wouldn't matter if it was or less but according to some sham the idea is the reason why you can't go for after you get an iss that I am subject to that requires me to maintain its level of is now that of course will only be if it's there's and it has nothing to do with the covet of the first maybe then I could go get a second opinion. Continues but once made up on that animal how was willing to even eat from this animal says when is protesting from not eating the breads that were baked in this stick away he said and I didn't eat any I didn't eat any I didn't eat any I didn't eat any piggle and of course if bragging We know he can't mean that he didn't do these literal ais that would be no big deal at all. So we try to say each one of these things and of course you remember this from last shabas that he didn't have the or he didn't do things that would bring him to the would make him seem by night he never ate meat that they were rushing they said because that was the last that would be a reason to and he didn't even take advantage of that because he didn't want to be to eat from msukenis and if ber pickle shalah I never ate from anything that had to make up sack about. Right? remember the just like pickles. So too if you had to have a sh about I thought this thing was not kosher and I had to bring to the ro to get a but anyway the point of is here why would by and eat from an animal that he had was that's the kind of an animal that had be on the seemingly shouldn't want to eat from such an animal that had so in such a case it could be that the who's saying such a reason maybe he's not saying the right reason and therefore I want to be so if it needs I'm not willing to eat such buser but he knew this wasn't a traa. So to him this was posit and therefore heigi is comfortable to even eat from it even though it went through quote unquote a shell fractur it still doesn't seem right that rabber would buy this meat that he was m there because because it looked like he was in cahoots he went ahead made a head and then he took the meat for himself like we've seen in the bryce had done his if someone makes up about a piece of property he was one person another person or all of these and these witnesses are allowed to buy the item that was given to one party or or made or it's nitain. You make up sock and then you somehow seem to gain off that. So shouldn't have been allowed to eat this meat that he made up sock about. But that's something that's sold based on an appraisal without any weighing and measuring. So a person wouldn't know that if it was a fair price. But its weight is nicker and shows that he paid the full price. So the fact that he's mater with anything heard sha there was a story where was mater and bought some of its meat and omrada and his daughter said to him when my father would be mkar because it had like a balm and he was mita and eaten as hulen he still wouldn't buy from it because he didn't want to look like he was in cahoots and doing an improper action so rabba said back to the daughter of bkra that makes sense byar dasha is dabbing because that's sold based on an appraisal. So there's more of a mukum for funny business but here the weights are nicker and I paid full price and my so what would be the reason to suspect me of doing something wrong maybe it's because they sold me the best piece of meat but call you they always sell me the best piece of meat because I'm the big so of course they're always selling me the best piece of flesh so they're not treating me any different and therefore there's no appearance of impropriety there's nothing wrong with what's happening here and all is well in the world we're going to stop here and pick it up with Sunday daf withda with a new topic