Chullin Daf 40

Okay, Daf Mem, this is Tuesday's Daf and we'll pick it up from the Mishna at the bottom of Lamed Tes Mem Beis. If somebody shechts for these different avoda zarahs, the halacha is shchitaso pesula. Interesting how Rashi on the Mishna only says by leshem yamim shlo asah yam. Avodas kochavim umazalos, that's the point by all of them. But the Tiferes Yaakov explains that it was the derech to put these avoda zarah getchkes on the harim and the gevaim. So the chiddush is that the yamim which would not be the derech to have an avoda zarah on the water, but that's what happened. And that's why Rashi speaks of that dafka there. Moving over to Mem Aleph, another halacha shnei meisim mesakin beshachtin. Let's say two people are holding a knife and they shecht together. Echad leshem echad miklal and one of them is doing it for the avoda zarah and echad leshem davar kashya and the other one is doing it for a good reason or without any specific intention at all. Shchitasan pesula, that's enough to passul the shchita. Zog the Gemara. Pesula in the Mishna is very meduyak by saying that if someone shechts for a mountain, meaning the avoda zarah, it's going to be passul. But the fact the Gemara pesula in zivchei meisim lo ein. It sounds like it's only going to be passul, meaning the shchita is no good, but it won't have the status of zivchei meisim which would make it assur behana'ah. Well, why not? Viraminhu, we have a braisa that seems that there would be an issur hana'ah on this kind of flesh because the braisa says leshem midbarim, leshem chamah ulevanah, for the sun or the moon, or leshem kochavim umazalos, or leshem micha'el sar gadol, for the malach micha'el, or leshem shulshal katan, even for the tiniest of worms, meaning from the biggest to the smallest, doesn't matter. All these things hare eilu zivchei meisim. see, it's not just passul, it's going to be assur behana'ah. But the Gemara am Rabba leika sha hado over lahar and hado over legada dehar. Is it for the mountain? Well, the mountain itself can't be an avoda zarah, it's muchbar, it's not yours to assur. But doing avoda zarah to the power of the mountain, that sar of the mountain, etc., that's not considered muchbar and therefore it would become assur behana'ah. In this big Tais, this Tais Agav points out that the mazalos are also considered muchbar. The sun and the stars are fixed in the sky. Rashi doesn't seem to list it that way. Could be there's a for shining whether or not the constellations have a definition of open on him. We don't have a steer our mission is talking about the versus the God of the heart, which would be actually a the economy the price is very this way do me a lot of made this very specific example of doing it to the actual of me so the vice president is not actually talking about the physical mountains but it's talking about those entities that are on those physical things. All my homies are with me let's say your buddy's animal is being it's lying down in front of the so the is once you one of the it's you have now this animal so the way is that was telling us of that was already lying there because we didn't have to lift up the animal to do the because had you had to lift it you might be kind of it with your all you so didn't want to use that case cuz he wanted to tell us the other Tyson's doesn't like that because the wouldn't make it yours and it would still be a problem because of the other as we know rather Tyson says the of even though he was already and therefore it was a less of a cuz it's all so ready I guess for the still anyway this memory from says if you one one the shame of it's going to ask her the animal so also holds that I can't ask her my buddy's animal and therefore it'll still be kosher for potential carbon but also also if I go ahead and I do a to my friend's animal then it will ask her it certainly for a carbon but even I say a lot of let's say somebody who's having a really bad day and they accidentally shaft their carbon outside the base on Shabbos for Azara for being over three different carbons which will be three. So now he asks the question. According to you that one semen you're already in the animal we said. So then by the time you come to the you won't be turning over because as Rashi says as soon as it became for with the of the Parker shame Rashi says. And therefore it's almost and you have to be also so you see from this not like that the semen will make it into everything Papa what's so special about as we know you only have to cut one semen and therefore you will be for the one semen all of these of the and all going to happen at the same time come on come Who did say his memory like like that's who had quoted my and said that even a is going to so even by the it should become as soon as the initial beginning of the cut is done cuz that's already considered a and therefore it should already apply the offer that doesn't have a problem of and we're talking about a case but maybe this he specifically spoke out that he intends to do the only when he completes the and therefore it's not going to be until that point. So if that's the case we're talking about where he speaks out that I only want the to happen my area why are we specifically talking about the fact that it's a carbon that he did last minute it shouldn't matter what kind of carbon clearly the price is speaking out of cuz there's something unique about the cuz the doesn't belong to the because the price of certainly picked a more common case of a carbon so the price of that thing I in the case by a carbon and now according to we're saying that's Davka when he finishes the shchita, we're not gaining anything. Hello Amar Marzuk Mish Medor of Pupa, Hacham Amayas Kinan, we're talking K'gancha Hoya Chotzi K'na Pagum. We're talking about this Chotzi Ayif like we had said, but it was already Chotzi K'na Pagum. There was already half cut before the shochet started to do his job. Bo Yisrael of Kol Shul of Gemara, so the first little thing he does is actually the Seif Shchita cuz that's what finishes the Reiv of the Siman. D'Puchuma B'Haya D'Kasin, in that case, all of the Avoda Zara and the Shchutei Chotz and the Chillul Shabbos are going to happen at the exact same moment and therefore Rav Huna is not sure from the Braisa. Amar Rav Pupa Y'lav D'Amar Rav Huna Siman Echad. Wasn't not for the fact that Rav Huna said a Siman Echad, meaning that little Maiseh Zuta, Lo Hava Chotzi D'Yofta, then the Braisa's example of a Carbon Chotzi would not have been a Kashya then. But my Maiseh Maiseh Rabba, because he's finishing the shchita. So now it makes sense to say Chotzi cuz the Braisa couldn't have said a more common Shlamim because the Shlamim is the Baylims and therefore you don't have to do any kind of a big Maiseh to take it away from a different Baylim like you were doing by the Chotzi. So Rav Pupa is just making the point over here that he needed to say the Siman Echad because otherwise it wouldn't have been a Din of the Maiseh Zuta. D'Yomar Pupa and Rav Pupa V'Yoter said he loved to Amar Rav Huna B'hemas Chaveira. Had Rav Huna not said it was somebody else's animal, meaning as opposed to shochting his own animal for Avoda Zara, Lo Hava Chotzi D'Yofta, so then the Braisa's example of a Chotzi would not have been a Kashya. Why? Because D'Day Motzi Assur D'Chaveira Lo Motzi Assur. Cuz according to Rav Huna that says that the animal becomes Assur by no with this Maiseh Zuta, he would have only been talking about his own animal but not somebody else's animal without a more of a Maiseh Rabba. And the point of the Chotzi is to say that something that does not belong to the shochet will not become Assur until the shchita is completely done. But a case of a more partial to Shlamim which does belong to the Baylim would be Assur even with the beginning of the cutting. So that's Rav Pupa's observation and Memra. But Pupa, what's Rav Pupa telling us that we didn't know already or we couldn't figure it out on our own? Says Rav Pupa a fascinating kind of a Maskana. May I would have taken it even the K'na Lo K'para K'Day Damya. Since the Baylim is bringing this Carbon Chotzi for the purpose of its K'para, so that's K'Day Damya. That somehow makes it like he's the Baylim for that K'para and I might have thought that he could now Assur and therefore you wouldn't have a problem of Aino Amar D'Vashina Sh'lo K'Amar Sh'muel comes Rav Pupa, that's not the case. That K'Lapei creating this Issur, the carbon is is not considered his at all. That's a very interesting how for me and my school now about how we view the capara at least in the Hava Mina that somehow gives you a by list on it but is after Papa that's not the case. Continues the Gamora of Nachman Amram ain't Adam even all you do about it sounds like you cannot ask your friends thing may say from the price that we learned how to cut the wood so I have a kind of problem. That's how we the price that we're talking about oh if they had already started the process of the cutting even though we had only said this to be me actually to serve on a we did that sign the case of the price like this at time of the who the only reason why you have all three carbon is because all three of theirs happened at the same time moving over to but had the case been about a regular regular animal not a then you would not be three now we ain't over so my area I feel even a regular carbon will give us all three of theirs at the same time since the animal which is not his would not become also a so why don't the price use a regular case of a why the price of pick a case of a so from the fact that the price is talking about it must mean that any carbon that's for even one that's not yours becomes also with the beginning of the which the Gamora answers no because Kanye capara the price couldn't have been talking about a regular because since he's kind of for the capara it's as if it's his club with the ability to ask her to as well so therefore we want to pick a case of a with the in a corner in order to find a case of the will also happen in the beginning when you first start cutting it and we're going to call it here and pick it up from the tomorrow.