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All right, Daf daily. Mondays Daf. And
we're going to pick it up at the two
dots at the bottom of Gimel and Bet. Now
that we figured out how to read our
Mishnah, let's talk about this Brysa
about Kusi and we get to spend the Daf
today about a Kusi. Turn to Rabbonan.
Shchitas Kusi Muteres. And again, just
to reiterate, in this context Kusi's
talking about the actual Kusi, not just
a reference to a but a Kusi who we
have a shaila whether or not he was
Gerei Arayos or Gerei Emes. So we have
this Brysa that says that Shchitas Kusi
is Muteres. Bameh Davar Mamrim K'shey
Yisrael Eino Gavah. Aval B'Uma
Sheshochat, let's say you show up after
the fact and it turns out the Kusi
already did the Shchita. So now you can
test it out. How do you test it? By
Choteach K'zayis and nice and light,
give a piece of that Geshachtena flesh
to the Kusi. So Achlei, if the Kusi eats
that K'zayis, and we spoke out from the
Chasam Sofer that it has to actually be
a K'zayis, then it's Mutar Le'eichol
Mishchitasah because the Kusi would be
Makpid on not eating from an Aveilah.
But Bimlav, but if he doesn't want to
eat it, Asur Le'eichol Mishchitasah. And
as we spoke out from Rashi yesterday,
he's not Makpid on Lifnei Iver in the
way we understand Lifnei Iver. Ki Eitzah
Bei, and in the same way is Zok the
Brysa, Matza B'Yadai, moving over to
Maseches Alef, the Kuriya Shel Tziporim.
If you find this Dekuriya Shel Tziporim,
which is a Machlokes Rashi and Tosfos
had a Taitch it. Rashi learns it's a
string of these birds that were
Geshachtin. Tosfos learns it's a basket,
but either way, the point over here is
the fact that they're different birds.
You have this whole collection of
Geshachtena birds. K'teir Roshah Shel
Echad Mehem and nice and light, you cut
off the head of one of them and give it
to the Kusi to eat. Achlei, Mutar
Le'eichol Mishchitasah. Bimlav, Asur
Le'eichol Mishchitasah. Same kind of an
idea. So that's the Brysa. So now Abaye
and Rava that we had yesterday about how
much Shmira needs to be on the Kusi can
see their Shitas in this Brysa. So Abaye
Dayek Me'reisha. Abaye, if you remember,
was very Makpid. You need to have like a
Mashgiach Tamidi. You can't just have a
Yotzei V'Nichnas. He saw the Dayek from
the beginning of this Brysa. And Rava's
Dayek Me'seifa. Let's break it down how
that works. Abaye Dayek Me'reisha
because Tam Yisrael Eino Gavah. The
Brysa says if a Yid is Eino Gavah, if
you have a Mashgiach Tamidi, it's good.
Aval Yotzei V'Nichnas Lei, it's Mashma
that if you're only yet if you're which
the didn't talk about but we're being
that if you're
that would not be good enough. But
rather be safer about when you show up
and it's already
the time of the
that's when it's going to be a problem
that you need to test it out. I will yet
if you're sharper dummy. But rather will
be that if you're only yet if you're
that little mitten dick kind of that's
going to be good enough. Okay, but now
need to understand the price like the
way the other understands it.
How come it's not going to see from the
safer that necklace would be okay? Cuz
I'm going to say
it's not going to
If you're just showing up
intermittently, then that
like you just showed up and it's already
and will say if I care
which implies you need to have that to
me I'm going to say well
I mean
I'll go dummy. If you're
then you're achieving the same
of an of you've created that you've
created that kind of oversight. Okay,
now the price I said
be added to create
etc. So if you see the now has this
whole
parent. The string of birds, the basket
of birds, you can cut off the head of
the bird and test to see if the will eat
it. Why is that going to work?
Maybe this is the head of that bird that
he properly. The knows what he did. So
what kind of test is that?
So
we have a over here
that you're
talking about a case where the puts all
of these birds inside his coat. Like I'm
imagining the guy back from Sesame
Street with his trench coat that opens
up and says "Hey, you want to buy a
watch?" that kind of thing. He's got all
these dead birds inside of his and he
takes one of these heads and gives it to
the and the won't know which one it was.
So from the fact that the will eat it
the all of them properly. Of course
there's some fun here that you get to
clear cuz we get into Vegas. So I can
wants to know why don't we say it's
going to be right. Maybe the won't hold
a bit of the wants to know what
which is only according to the
but we move on. I think I don't have a
yard of labor got a day. when the Kusi
this particular bird head that he gets
he says, "Oh yeah, I recognize this one.
This one is a siman that this is the
kosher one that I did." Homer of
Misharsha
the Yid who has all these different dead
birds in his coat
squashed the head of that bird and
therefore there is no more siman. I
guess he had the squashed bird head in
his dismembered only jacket.
Okay, practically Marvel at the make if
you're telling me there's no siman and
therefore if the Kusi eats it it's a
riot that all of them were go shocked in
properly. But the whole Hanukkah here is
that only things that are more furious
but cry is what the Kusi's going to be
mocked with on. The other Halacha of
Shahi address of Halacha the Hagroma of
the Ekor mix even the five big things
which possible Shita we've only
mentioned three of them so far. But
besides Shahi address of Halacha pausing
the Shita karate chopping the Shita
cutting from underneath the Simona
Shita. Also there's Hagroma which is
cutting above or below the Simona more
of the Ekor and just tearing at the
Simona. Those are also not more furious
but cry and therefore the Kusi wouldn't
be mocked with on them. Rabbi Kiveger
points out that Drossa is more furious
but cry but Rabbi Kiveger writes in the
Galena Shasha it's a sugar delicious
that he's putting it all together. Uncle
Panim why are we being same on the Kusi
Lagabe the Shita of the Behema the her
these things are not more furious but
cry Allah Kive and Ziga boo since the
Kusi is mocked with and Ziga boo we
consider him to be reliable. So how can
I mean also Lagabe the bird Shita Kive
and Ziga boo and Ziga boo. So what do
you got to have the whole test for just
trust the Kusi's Shita on these birds.
So this issue of whether or not a Kusi
who's who's sick to be Naman about
Zachen that are not more furious but
tire is tonight. That's actually going
to be telling my colleagues tonight. Did
Tanya as the brice says Matzas Kusi
Muteras you can eat the Matza of Kusi
and assume it's not Hametz but I mean
it's about you need Hametz of Pesach and
we can even assume it's Lishma which is
what you need for Matza of the first
night of Pesach will be a liar I see you
can't ever eat the Matza of Kusi Lishia
and begin the dick to give it to see
sell and therefore you got to be
cautious that maybe it is Hametz. Rabbi
Shimon Ben Gamlio Limer call Matza Shish
Ziga boo Kusim Harbe Madak to give it by
Yisa of Yisrael. They look about Shuva
that's more mocked with than the FFB.
Now on this brice about the Matzas Kusi
Omar Mar Matzas Kusi Muteras for all of
them yet to be a liar. chavaso b'Pesach,
trekt the Gemara shita, if it's muter
then why wouldn't you be yoitze with it?
Because Mar d'Teima lo b'ki b'shimur,
maybe you don't have the maila of that
halacha of shimur for matzah, of doing
l'shem matzas mitzvah. Kum ash malan,
the braisa is telling us that it will
also be okay for that halacha. Continued
the braisa, Rabi Eliezer oiser d'risha
ein b'ki b'dikduke mitzvos. Dok the
Gemara k'savar lo b'ki b'shimur, which
Rashi understands to mean that we are
choshesh that it might become chametz.
And then the braisa finally says, Rabi
Shimon bar Gamliel omer, kol mitzvah
she' chazika b'kusim harbeh mitzvos.
Practicing by yoitzer miYisrael.
Practicing by Rabi Yehuda bar Nachmani.
Why is that a third shita? You're saying
it's okay and good matzah. Now, because
eeka b'nai d'ktiva b'lo achzika ba. This
is the punchline for us. The nafka mina
is about things that are in the Torah,
but the kusim are not choshesh that they
actually kept it. Tana Kamma savar
keevan d'ktiva, because it's in the
Torah, you're allowed to be sameach on
them, a filga d'lo achzika ba, even
though it's not known to us that they
were already muksak to take care of it
and do it. But Rabi Shimon bar Gamliel
savar, e achzik in e lo achzik, lo you
have to know for a fact that they are
muksak to actually keep it in order to
be sameach on them. Well, trekt the
Gemara yochi, if you're telling me that
according to Rabi Shimon bar Gamliel,
we're only talking about where the kusim
are choshesh, kol mitzvah she' chazika
b'kusim, it seems like it's the wrong
loshon. Im chazika mi ba'ei lei. You
can't say kol mitzvah she' chazika
b'kusim, it's always going to be more of
a im, an if. Ela, what's the machlokes
tanaim here? Eeka b'nai d'lo achzika ba.
We're talking about not that it's
established, but whether or not it's
actually written in the Torah. Tana
Kamma savar keevan d'lo achzika, since
it's not b'feirish in the Torah, a filga
d'lo achzika ba, it's still nami lo. But
Rabi Shimon bar Gamliel savar, keevan
d'achzik achzik, even though it's not
written in the Torah, once they've been
established that they are makpid on it,
that's going to be good enough. So, come
to choshesh from machlokes tanaim kamma
and Rabi Shimon bar Gamliel, whether or
not you can be makpid a kusi l'gabei
something that's not b'feirish b'Torah,
just by doing the actual mitzvah. So,
the braisa that said that a shchitas
kusi l'gabei these birds, you could be
sameach on it if the kusi eats from it,
is going like shitas Rabi Shimon bar
Gamliel, because the Torah doesn't say
anything b'feirish about the shchitas
bird. But once the kusim started being
choshesh to do it properly, you're
allowed to eat from their goofa. I'm a
rubber mummer
and
who eats
meaning if there's kosher flesh will
certainly eat it. He's not trying to be
a
so in such a case
according to rubber you can check the
knife give it to him
and my time because
since if there would be a choice of
which have a
we're not the going to
eat
so as long as he has a
to do a proper he'll be fine to be
he'll be
why do you got to be the knife he's not
going to do an but not because
we're talking about over here who's not
going to work hard to get another knife
so if the knife is
he'll still end up using it so we got to
check it first to make sure it's not
going to be I'm really
that the
is now I'm going to
cuz the price of says
you get these
who are not doing the proper
of their so
turning over to me base me at other
cannot eat from that stuff and we're not
worried about being over love a cuz we
can assume we're going to
we're going to assume that the
swapped it out for other motor
that they got from so we're bending over
backwards to assume they're not doing
anything wrong because their whole
motivation is their him does moment so
they didn't want to get rid of their
comments but the smaller of a of using
their over love a to get new quote
unquote kosher comments from the guy
that's smaller of a something they would
be willing to do and we could be now
that you're allowed to take the comments
from these less than from you then so
the rubber figured how many who's the
town of this price it's
the comments
is
the attorney
and even though it's the
we're allowed to be
that these
swapped it out for the smaller of a if
you will so what do you see even by
the of
which is a riot to rubber that you can
be on the of this
as long as you give him a second that
was right to go
how do you know the braces you
distribute Dilma Rebbi Shimon he the
armor
and that's why we're going to be Michael
and the chemical in when are we Michael
that's only been there upon the public
so let me kill him so you don't have any
Raya that you could be saying the sheet
of which is the right practice to have
you know me let the braces talk to be a
real shipment and it's still going to be
a riot to rubber why cuz me shiny armor
the hell are you does the braces say I
need armor
which implies I will go out on a limb
and say maybe they switched it not by
the they did but I'm allowed to be semi
they did not that's not the second
braces is not playing Shakira
they did the weather
they swapped out their over
for more to take a comment so therefore
we can make the same moment upon
the carrot so
the culture came it's even a stronger
riot because we can be so sure that
they're not going to want to even be
over the Easter
certainly if they're only a moment of
and you can be saying as long as you
give them a second bad luck let me say
let's bring a riot from the following
braces to also bring a riot to rubber
that I call them the feeling
all the feeling all the feeling all the
highly this all who didn't have a
hey that he can share with me
what must be the family full of
hemophiliacs or whatever and therefore
they couldn't do
so the braces telling us this legal who
was an honest and can't do the Mila he
can share well how do you know
he's a perfectly good for me and why
would I need to tell you that his
culture for a guy can't do a Mila what
do you want from his life
must be that he is a
he's choosing not to do the it's the
smell and the silver what is the time of
this braces saying that he could share
he hold over the
way have a moment
he just has a hang-up about this one
particular and therefore he's not
considered a moment in the way that
that's why you're allowed to trust his
over that same braces is that feeling
moment is also allowed to be trusted so
I moment what kind of moment is that
talking about
if he's talking about a moment for a
different
not then I know I really it's It's idea
he's picking and choosing which of
theirs he is not going to be McCullen.
And a lot of Mummer lies to Duffer must
be talking about he is a Mummer for the
issue of Navela and yet he'll still be
kosher to be a shake it or give the
rubber that as long as you're by dict
the knife you're allowed to let him
shake it. So how you arrive from this
price like rubber to which the tomorrow
says lie the element of a lot of Mummer
lies to Duffer lie about it if he tuck
is a Mummer for eating Navela then you
are not allowed to trust his shake it.
Not like rubber my time it because
keeping the dodge bay since he's a
Mummer to eat Navela it's caterer
dumela. So you can't even trust him for
anything cuz he Mummer doesn't hold to
the whole Halacha. Hey yes, it's only
Mummer to tell him but it's caterer
dummy. So we're not going to trust
anything of this guy. Ella Mummer live
is caterer of the price is talking about
someone who's specifically a Mummer to a
beta Zara or caterer of Anan to Mummer
of Anan to well Israel Mummer live is
caterer of Mummer live is caterer say
which we don't pass it like but we're
going to learn more about this that he
had who is a Mummer live is caterer of
lay lay new according to Anan you could
still trust his caterer. That's what
that price was talking about. Goof let's
talk about this some more. I'm a Anan to
well Israel Mummer live is caterer of
Mummer live is caterer say. How do I
know that chicken and zucchini be high
shaft milk you do unanimously
he ate from the suit is a half a half of
a big Russia over the beta Zara should
not be able to use back layer half of
saying you back a lot of all the arm I
share email the SC say you lie a lot of
all the arm you get it and I have a
convinced you I should have it to join
with him and fight in the war with him.
But you see you I should have it eight
from the suit is that I have made
clearly I have shake it was kosher even
though I have was certainly a Mummer
live is caterer of for the Mummer who
says it's a riot that he accepted the
dome of Misbah Zara Halacha. Maybe you
should have it didn't eat from the suit
is now cuz we see say you accept that he
enticed him. So it sounds like he
persuaded him with food. For the Mummer
of dome of maybe he only was messing him
with words and not with actual food and
the Mummer gives us a very important you
say it for anybody ever making an event
in a saucer with warm. You ain't going
to convince anybody to do anything with
just words. You got to have the
challenge in order to actually make a
difference to convince somebody. So of
course I have fed him. The lie you can't
be messing only with the warm box of key
you see score a key car by the actual a
very in the terror of being a of
convincing somebody to do avodah zarah.
You're not feeding the guy, you're just
telling him. No, you are feeding the
guy. It's
practically more of a
possuk by Iyov. And that's talking about
Hashem who's obviously not being
convinced
which the Gemara says come on.
Don't ask me kashas from Hashem. That's
not going to be any kind of right one
way or the other.
Maybe
only drank the wine that Achav served.
But
he didn't eat the flesh. So you don't
have any raya that the shchita is going
to be okay. To which the Gemara says
what would be the chelek between the
wine of Achav and his basar?
The reason why the wine would be mutar
is because you're telling me that is
avodah zarah is not going to make him
into a
well then
to which now the Gemara makes a chelek
between the wine and the flesh.
Achav's wine was only stameinan.
There is no yet on the wine of So
even if Achav was a
his wine would still be okay.
So
maybe only drank the wine didn't eat the
meat. So
it doesn't make sense for a melech to be
drinking and not eating. So we can
assume that he ate the meat also.
Which tells like the
with what did he convince him? It's
with the shchita. So how are you doing
that the
you can eat from his shchita. And we're
going to stop here and pick it up with
the of avodah zarah for
tomorrow's stuff.