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Chullin Daf 36
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All right, daf lamud vov. Do the best I
can here to finish recording before the
flight attendant tells me I have to turn
it off. We're at the very top of lamud
vov amud aleph, where we're finishing up
the gemara about different kinds of dam
that may be machshir l'kabel tumah. And
we had brought a pasuk of dam chalalim
yishteh. So now the gemara says, "Tanna
d'vei Rebbi Yishmael, the dam chalalim
yishteh, which is a lashon of the dam
being a mashkeh, cuz it needs to be a
mashkeh for it to be machshir l'kabel
tumah. So the Tanna d'vei Rebbi Yishmael
darshans pratt l'dam kiluach she'eino
machshir l'zorei'a. There's all kinds of
different dam at different points of
when it leaves the beheima. The
beginning is just a wound, and then it
becomes dam hanefesh. So the dam
kiluach, that's the dam that comes out
immediately.
That is not going to be machshir l'kabel
tumah because that is not part of its
death. As Rashi goes through, there's a
process for how the dam comes out, and
it gets darker as it comes out, and that
becomes the dam of the shchitah itself,
of its lifeblood, if you will. Turn to
Ramban on as she hates the heat is dam
al hadalas. Let's say you're going to
shecht an animal, and lo and behold, the
dam squirts out onto the nearby dalas,
the gourd, and this dalas, Rashi says,
is a tlusha shel trumah. It's
disconnected from the ground, but it's
made of trumah. So it's very important
that it should not be tamei. So now you
got the shchitah blood that goes on the
dalas. So Rebbi Yishmael it now becomes
l'kabel tumah. Rebbi Chiya says it's
tamei. It's going to be in a matzah of
kli. Sounds like a safek, really, tamei.
Kind of waiting. So Rebbi Ashi about
this memra, mi acharei Rebbi Yishmael
Rebbi Chiya Now that we've had these two
conflicting dayos, essentially a Rebbi
and a talmid that are arguing with each
other, anan b'mei nismah, who do we go
like? Which is kind of a funny question
because there are klalei ha'poskim.
Especially if it's a Rebbi and a talmid.
Rav Zilberstein in the Chashukei Chemed
over here discusses how a talmid really
could argue with a Rebbi under different
circumstances. And over here in two
different batei midrashos, it happens to
be a Rebbi and a talmid that were saying
their own opinions, but they weren't
face-to-face arguing with each other. So
that makes a difference. But anyway,
he's now asking the shaila, who do we
pasken like, Rebbi or Rebbi Chiya? So
Zok b'vei nismah al divrei Rebbi Shimon.
Rebbi Shimon, who we had quoted from
yesterday's daf, that seems to go like
Rebbi Chiya because sheya Rebbi Shimon
shchitah the es l'dam. That which is
machshir, the basar letumah is not the
actual liquid dam, but rather the
shchita itself. So, Reb Shimon lined up
together with Reb Chiya is going to be
two against one, and we're going to
pasken like Reb Chiya that it won't be
hochsher, but rather be taylin. The dam
itself is not necessarily hochsher. Amar
Reb Papa, let's clarify this. Al kul
alma mechad is al dam michil v'ad seif.
Both Reb Chiya and certainly Rebbi would
agree that if the dam was there on the
delos from beginning to end of the whole
shchita process, kul alma lo yipligi
d'machshir. Avada, it is definitely
going to be hochsher l'kabel tumah
because the shchita itself makes it
shiyach l'kabel tumah. But keep pligi,
where is there going to be a machlokes
Rebbi and Reb Chiya? That's ben
diskanach hadam ben siman l'siman. Let's
say the dam is wiped off between one
siman and then it gets wiped and then
another siman. So, now becomes a lumdish
machlokes. Rebbi sover yeshno l'shchita
michil v'ad seif. It's one long process
the whole shchita. Despite the fact you
cleaned off the dam from the delos
between the simanim, but still it's all
considered one process of shchita. And
therefore, v'hai dam shchita. And
therefore, the dam that spritzed onto
the delos when the first siman was cut
is already considered dam shchita. Hey,
guys, shchita hasn't been done yet, but
it's part of the process of shchita. And
therefore, the delos is now hochsher
l'kabel tumah. But Reb Chiya sover einu
l'shchita l'v'seif. That only the last
moment is the shchita moment. And
therefore, when that first siman was
cut, that dam that went on it is not dam
shchita. V'hai dam makkeh. And the part
you have to explain is once you actually
get to the end of the shchita process,
if you didn't wipe it away, why is einu
l'shchita l'v'seif considered dam
makkeh? And the way the Chidushei Ran
explains this Gemara is that the reason
why the dam shchita can be hochshur
l'kabel tumah is because it's nidmeh
l'mayim. It has to have that mashkeh
kite. And therefore, in the same way
that a mashkeh can't be potentially not
shiyach, so to this also can't be
potentially not shiyach. So, the dam
that fell on the delos at the beginning
of the shchita, which was wiped away
before the end of the shchita, doesn't
fit the bill because in order to be
machshir l'kabel tumah, it has to do so
before the end of the shchita. But at
that time, as a mashkeh, it was still a
safek if the guy was going to complete
the shchita. And therefore, it doesn't
cause the delos to be hochsher l'kabel
tumah. You see from this run that he
looks at the Lima Fraya kite as a Mikono
Lima Fraya rather than a Lima Fraya
just because we're going to wait and see
until it's finally complete to know what
to do with this done. Continues to
explain what my talent and when said
that we're going to be the done which
sounds like it's a
look here shouldn't be something it
should definitely not be hooked up to
the couple to him if it's got to wipe
away between the two
so what meant was another
we just got to wait and see until what
happens with the done. If
the done is still present when the is
complete then the the lettuce is
but
it's not there it will not be couple to
him since when it was there it was just
done and not done
in my both of this
what do you mean when he said
to line him up with she does cuz
he's not talking about the same thing as
according to it's the that works not the
done of the even if it's there at the
end of the but
it's
so it's two different because kind of
like in that case where the done was
wiped away between cutting of the two
they'll be to each other in the
situation because
he will hold that the done does not make
it hooked up to the couple to him also
because
it will not be
even though it's for different reasons
and how will they
it's very interesting that the here is
using even though the is coming for two
different reasons that you're going to
make
even though the are not saying that
because of the same intention because of
the same reasons.
We're telling
him actually holds it will indefinitely
be it's going to be in a matter of and
as he says we're only going to know
actually have a
so we don't want to say like a papa but
the is rather
spooky
that done that's being wiped away
between the two
we're talking about
whether or not is the
or
we're whether or not is the
that the is only at the end or
throughout the whole process and when we
say
what we mean is we're going to be toilah
this and suspend it
and lay serfin. We can't either eat it
because it might be tummy and we can't
burn it cuz it might be torn and you're
not allowed to burn your trumah.
So now according to Reb Ashi, what did
Reb Ashi mean that Reb Shimon holds like
cuz they're not talking about the same
case because
there's two different according to Reb
Shimon it's never going to be
according to Reb it might be
so if there
clop it the burning the
they're going to be masking to the
bottom line because as
Reb Ashi won't burn it because it's not
because it's not Reb Ashi won't burn it
there's no point to this. But there's a
crime that tries to explain this
I ain't sure. Okay, but Reb Shimon ben
Lakish sorry
let's see you have a clump of dried
flour in your carbon mincha and that's
what touches the tumah. So it's not
liquid. So the question is by Reb Shimon
do we count it in levels of Reb Shimon
such that it can be the next thing it
touches and the issue over here is
because of the Kadish which is a rule
breaker or do we not? Maybe we only say
the Kadish by things that are mashka.
The reason why we're cuz according to
Reb Shimon a regular that is in a normal
way by mashka is going to be tumah even
without the mashka because of the
Kadish. Question is if something is only
tumah because of the Kadish is that
enough to be
things that are not the Kadish with
liquids to a Reb Shimon level of tumah
as we're going to explain now. This is
bothered by the fact that why isn't it
be tumah just because it's all in the
same clay. Now the is going to break
down the more. Maybe the Kadish is
enough that it could become
tumah itself. However, Reb Shimon Reb
Shimon Reb not going to be something
else that it touches.
Maybe it won't matter. Even things that
have become to me all you
is enough to be something else into a
and
so I'm
going to bring you
from the it says
that any food that becomes wet with the
liquids is going to become to me. So
only the foods that come into contact
with magic can become actual
however you know what I mean by I'm
going to show you something like this
shouldn't become a
and I'm going to show you something like
this
what do you think I'm not food has to be
to me by touching a of course he's to
that and we also know that there's a of
that's a rule breaker so
this is the how do we look at the is
that like food that came into contact
with the magic with the liquid and
therefore it can take other to make it
to me or maybe not and how does
understand the because I mean it can
take other to make it to me or maybe not
and how does understand the because I
mean it can he's trying to bring a from
the fact that the seems to repeat itself
because the says
if the
water is on these which is on the seeds
and then the thing falls on it becomes
to me so what do you see from the that
it becomes to me when it comes in
contact with the
because
why do I need the earlier of saying any
that become to me to water is going to
become to me the same turning over to me
love
maybe it's coming to be
to me
that don't really have the same property
is something that became what everything
tomorrow
had the maze for had the shards it has
to repeat itself because of their two
different kinds of it's really maze and
shards are both needed to me maze
because I was a boy that's where you
need to have a couple to me
to me to me because to me maze is not
going to be to me to me with the smaller
size of the to me to me with the because
it has to be a size which is bigger I
will share it to me to me
share it which can be to me to me with a
smaller amount of boy
oh is that so
I will share it share maybe
it doesn't have to seven days of like it
does by
all makes to my Shiva
and therefore both of them are that they
require
most of
from our mission
of the becomes official all you did is
now which sounds like it's totally
a few
machine machine but a night according to
what should be true
just because there's a sheet that does
not mean it was it wasn't
back to a so
my
dear made this couple of at the same
level as is if it came all you did my
remember this is all
anyway so according to Shimon he can
structure any way he wants but talking
about the day to come minimum level of
my day
for that it has to be only all you did
my over
to bring from a brace a little bit
someone who's picking grapes for the
basket to press them and the grape juice
comes out of them and makes it wet
and even though you're going to ask well
isn't one of the seven matches of
the year but that's not grape juice so
there is not
but
she does become middle of the bottom and
therefore it's a little
bit
afterwards a little was quiet in front
of and he was going to now my according
to
what is nothing but magic can ever
create a couple of why should consider
them a couple of a a little bit of my
this squeezed out grape juice is not my
it's not a legally recognized magic so
why should it be considered a full of a
buyer so my
and a rabona made this dinner of a
couple of the same way as the but once
again is only talking on a couple of the
only
that a couple of will be all you did
and that's what will be other things I'm
going to back to I mean a little bit of
I said that she of all you did she of is
a riot
telling me the made it like my I
basically asking you what they write and
you're telling me but
the
water
No, thank you.
And
when said the riot you told him that the
made this
of the grape juice that comes out of the
grapes just like the water the water So
location and then so what are you going
to answer for that is going to be the
same
cash as well that
so then what is the cash that asking
what do you mean by
say that this ticket Michael that comes
into contact
ask about this stuff that touched the
clump in the
touching the dry flower we're saying
that should be
no but it was that that food is going to
be because it's going to be but
because
listen if the whole is whether or not
you should burn it so the whether or not
that dry flower is going to have a full
fledged
with the
and therefore the riot from
are not going to answer that because
it's only going to be
which the now says the
vice from which
the
creates a
ticket to
get me for that
but by a carbon
it says that the that touches anything
is going to be which the vice this
busser can now have a ticket to
but the now wants to know how could it
possibly be come to me how does my what
did it become to to me with you discuss
if you're saying that that couple to is
all you done from it's that can't be
because of
we could
let's say
which teaches us that
to my but you didn't mean to
the of the of the carbon cannot be
so what is it going to be all this cash
but
maybe it's from the fact that he used to
mix it with water to wash everything in
the base on migdash. for all of
them
Not only are they tahor, but they're not
going to be much more to come with them
either.
So the water from the base on migdash
cannot be the thing that's much more to
come with them.
You want to see maybe Hanina's memory
was talking about the dam that comes out
of that base on migdash, but not the
water that's there.
The base Hanina said mashecha which is
rabim, that's two different liquids,
meaning it's the dam and the mayim. So
that mashecha base on migdash has to be
the mixture of both of them.
The reason why it's much more to come
with them is not from any liquids, it's
because of the kodesh and you see that
works on the stick level.
But
We're talking about There was a carbon
and it walked and it went through the
base on migdash and it went through the
water on the way to the base on migdash.
So some of the liquid went on the bus or
making it come with them and that's what
the bus might be talking about. So you
don't see the kodesh is going to be
there because we might be talking about
this case where the actual animal was
wet. Now there's an important case over
here that wants to know that even if the
animal was wet, who's the one over here
on this one that decided that I want the
water to be there. Remember things are
only come with them because of the one
that want that liquid. The case says
this isn't the one at all, right? It's
the base on migdash it's
so he's not a
to go ahead and say I want the water
there. And the case says well it's
that's maybe why we're picking on carbon
because
according to
is a moment it's got some
and therefore the
is a day out to want the water making it
come with them. I'm getting the dirty
looks and so therefore I got to turn off
my phone here and we'll pick it up from
here for shabbos is tough.