Chullin Daf 34

All right, today's daf lamid dalid, Wednesday's daf. We're smack in the middle of a few blatt worth of tumah and taharah gemaras. We've been trying to work through the mishna explaining that if our mishna is talking about chulin, what's the issue whether or not your unwashed hands will be metameh the chulin? Like we already learned in daf shin aleph, they're not going to affect anything but kodshim and terumah. We're not talking about kodshim and terumah. We suggested maybe it was foods brought with maaser sheni. We suggested maybe our mishna is going according to shitas Rebbi Akiva or Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar. But now we're up to a new machlokes in the gemara which is going to start on 10 lines from the bottom of lamid gimel amud beis. Amar Rebbi Elazar amar Rebbi Hiyya, "Acham b'chulin she naslu taharas kodesh." In other words, we were talking about chulin, but it's chulin that we're treating like kodshim because it's because it's naslu taharas kodesh. And in such a case, that kind of chulin can become a shlishi mid'rabannan of course, al yedei touching the sheni with the unwashed hands. With Rebbi Eloi, Rebbi Akiva and Rebbi Yeshua who actually happens to hold acham b'chulin she naslu taharas kodesh cannot become a shlishi. Now we're going to spend an entire amud plus discussing shitas Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yeshua. Deitznan, as the mishna in the second perek of taharas says, Rebbi Eliezer amar, "Ha'ochel ochel rishon rishon. If a guy eats a rishon, he himself becomes a rishon. Sheni, sheni. Shlishi, shlishi." Basically, it's a halachic you are what you eat. And that's a d'rabbanan which Tosefos brings from the gemara in Shabbos that the reason would be is a gezeirah that if you're eating, let's say the sheni, we're afraid that when you drink something while you're eating, you might drink mashkin of terumah. So to avoid such a problem, that gemara in Shabbos by the Yid Chresh Varim says that that according to Rebbi Eliezer, we give the person the same status of tumah as the thing that he is eating himself. But Rebbi Yeshua argues. Rebbi Yeshua amar, "Ha'ochel of someone's eating, ochel rishon v'sheni." If he's eating a food that's a rishon or a sheni, sheni, he becomes a sheni. Shlishi, if he eats food that's a shlishi, he'll become sheni l'kodesh v'ein sheni l'terumah. In other words, he'll be tamei as a sheni klappei the kodesh. That if he touches kodshim, it becomes a shlishi and therefore it could turn around and make something else into a revi'i by kodshim. But we don't consider him to be a sheni klappei terumah and therefore if he touches terumah, he can't make it into a shlishi. So Rebbi Yeshua has this very mechudash, like a unique shita. And application is going to be shnas al taras truma. If a person is going to eat chulin that was made on the level of truma, we're treating like truma, it will also be the same halacha. Meaning this whole idea of Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish and Reish Lakish, that's all going to be for chulin that was shnas al taras truma. But al taras truma and al taras shnas al taras truma something by truma but not by shnas al taras truma cuz he spoke up a few times he was talking about shnas al taras truma. 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Do you have truma meat you don't even have meat truma. So how am I like that's any better but how can you remember in the list in our mission there was a and you never bring us from a so why would we say you're going to treat this like shnas al taras when it can't all become well now there's a very practical difference. I can make a mistake by the cuz I'm not going to confuse my meat and my shnas al taras but you will by the different kinds of meat. If so even though a can never be brought as a carbon there's still what to be worried about. 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Al kol panim, zoker Rabi Yehoshua, ela matzinu sham maychal chomer min ha'ochel. We find fakir that the food that becomes tamei as a result of touching other foods is going to be more chomer than the ochel who eats that tamei food. De'ilu maychals kibaytzah, food can become tamei through touching just the amount of a bay'ah's worth of tamei food. But ba'ochel, but if you eat tamei food, ad achal k'chatzi prasi, you have to eat twice that amount. So you see the halacha of the maychal is actually more chomer than the halacha of the ochel, of the person who eats it. Ochel k'maychal, how can you make the guy who eats the tamei equal to the actual level of tumah itself, like you Rabi Eliezer want to say? Rabi Eliezer, what's he going to say back? Tomah b'shiur l'khamdinan. That's just the amount. That's not a chomer kulah, that's just the shiur of the size of it. That's not the same kind of thing as chomer and kulah. V'ai, zoker Rabi Eliezer, lidvar achai, still shver according to Rabi Yehoshua. Because at the time Rabi Eliezer and Rabi Shimon yafeh atah omer, you said if you eat a rishon and you become therefore down one level into a shaini, that's fine and dandy. Because the one who eats the tamei goes down a level. But shaini shaini lamah? Why do you say if you eating a shaini that you become a shaini yourself? You should really go down to a shlishi, and since a shlishi has no problem touching a trumah, there should be no point in it all. So according to Rabi Yehoshua, it doesn't even make any sense to make such a g'zeirah. Amar lei zoker Rabi Yehoshua, matzinu sh'shaini asah shaini al y'dei mashkin. You can find that a shaini will make other things a shaini because that's the halacha of the mashkin. If the shaini food touches something that's wet, it can turn that liquid into a rishon, and that liquid in turn will turn that food into a shaini. So essentially that shaini makes another shaini through the liquid. Amar lei zoker Rabi Eliezer back to Rabi Yehoshua, v'ha'mashkin nam mitzilah hava. But in your example, the reason why it's going to make it into a shaini al y'dei the mashkin because the mashkin becomes a rishon. D'itnan, as the Mishnah in the eighth perek parah says, kol haposel b'trumah m'tamei mashkin l'yas trilah. It goes back to a rishon. Chutz m'tvil yom. But since a shaini can make a liquid into a rishon al y'dei touching it, so you should say that the shaini now becomes a rishon. The person should become a rishon as well, according to this kind of rationale. V'ai, zoker Rabi Eliezer, shlishi shaini lamah? If somebody eats a shlishi, he becomes a shaini klapi kachin. V'kam t'chazei, you're making him more chomer than the actual maychal itself. Amar lei zoker Rabi Yehoshua back to Rabi Eliezer, af al y'dei martil l'v'trumah. I wasn't saying somebody who eats a sushi will become a shiny little gummy coaching only for Ireland that are being done out of trauma that that person who eats the sushi will become a shiny turning over to me base to me he ate so kind of cloppa the coaching and that level of tire you're trying to maintain won't be good enough. So any my home of trauma that become a sushi are going to at least be a shiny old tires of coaching and somebody who eats it becomes a shiny cloppa coaching as if he ate a mama sushi. But what do you see from Yeshua is responsible Yeshua that when he said in the mission we're talking about and all tires trauma he only meant that the should become a sushi. But the that was made all tires of coaching is not going to be a sushi. So now who's talking here? This is all of them who said this is the of Yeshua. So we learned that the of that said that our mission is not going like Yeshua because we're talking about all tires of coaching can become a sushi. 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So holds that that did say it. But holds that is that didn't say it. So and therefore saying over that even if the was that was made on even those that a person who's a isn't he can't eat that for my mouth. What's the of we already learned in the mission that shiny and but however she have it. So it's from what himself that he can't have the and therefore why need to say it because he's if it was only this from have shiny have shiny have it. Maybe this guy who's eating it is not even a shiny or a club by our shiny he's only saying that and shiny but he didn't mean to be that he's a shiny club that's why is telling us no he's actually a shiny. And therefore to eat the A's favorite let's ask from the mission second paragraph shiny to me a from is as a from by touching it making that by shiny as well it stops after that it can make a shiny but it won't go past that. The shiny could be eaten even if it's mixed up with now that's mixed up with you have to be with it of but if you tell me that a person who eats a shiny has a level of club and it's good for the club. But he himself becomes to eat the because he becomes a shiny. How do we let him eat this how do we let him eat this mixed up stuff? You're feeding him something that's going to him and make it for him to eat the but you're not allowed to be yourself to the but the mission says he can eat the shiny. So it doesn't make him a shiny. So how don't talk to me about this that has the in it moving over the the nature of it is such that you're not going to have enough fast enough or amount enough and therefore is no raya from the fact that mission allows him to eat it. But in the Chanamie, Chulin that's not so tall as truma can become tuma as a shlishi and therefore someone who eats it becomes a shlishi himself and therefore he can't eat any more truma. And we are going to stop here. Pick it up with more truma and tire for tomorrow.