Chullin Daf 31

All right, daf lamed. I left Sundays daf, we're going to pick it up the Mishnah on lamed amud beis. Zucht the Mishnah. And of course we brought this Mishnah on Shabbos this daf. Hashecheit shnei roshim ke'echad. If you shecht two different heads of animals at once, meaning with one motion of the sakin, you cut both necks, shchitasa ksheira. And the loshon of hashecheit, which implies bidei'avad, talking about kutchin, but chulin you could even do this l'chatchila. Shnei meizim besakin l'shachtam. Let's say two people are holding the same knife and they shecht the same animal. So the same location, shchitasa ksheira. And we learned that Shabbos this daf that it's being done by al ach tzav, or it's being done chulmes, you know, it's one line. Hitiz es harosh bevaseres. Let's say even though you're doing a proper shchita, but it manages to cut right through the neck of the animal. Some rishonim like the Rashba and Meiri say that we're not talking about where it was momash decapitated the animal, but it did cut all the way through the sibonim. Halacha is at that point it's psula, cuz now you have a problem with drasa, where you're pushing hard through the knife and not slicing. Hayashcheit hitiz es harosh bevaseres. Let's say you're shechting properly, but l'ma'isa still a cut through the bosim on the way. Im yesh besakin molei tzavar. If the knife is long enough that it extends beyond the width of the neck, which Rashi speaks out, meaning the knife is two times the length of the neck, then it'll be ksheira. Cuz it's long enough that the shecheit didn't need to do any pressing. Hayashcheit hitiz shnei roshim bevaseres. Let's say he's shechting and he cuts two heads with one ma'isa. Im yesh besakin molei tzavar echad. If the knife is the width of one neck, it'll be ksheira, meaning it's one width longer than the neck, so it's it's long enough to be three necks long. But by midvar mem, when do we say that there is a kashya here if it's that long? Bizman sheholech v'heivi. That's only when the shecheit is making one direction slice. Meaning he's not going he's not pulling it back, he's just going forward. Oi heivi v'lo holech. Or he's making a pullback kind of a motion with the shchita, but not a forward thrust with the shchita. Aval im holech v'heivi, but if he's going backwards and forwards, afילו kosher, afilo izmel, then we're not going to care about how long the knife is, even if it's a short little blade, that's got a small scalpel, it'll be ksheira because you don't need to do the drasa. That's the whole issue here. Does this shecheit need to do any pressing motion or not? So, I think I'm going to ask you to know that you will have the psul of the d'Rabbah in the first place. Amar Shmuel d'Amar Kra, because the pasuk says in the ninth perek of Yirmiyahu, "Cheit shachat l'shanim mirmah diber." So, cheit shachat implies that an arrow is what does shechita, and that just like an arrow is propelled when you pull back the bow, so a shechita has to be done with this kind of pulling back, like a sawing kind of a motion of going back and forth with the knife. As opposed to the pressing motion of d'Rabbah. Tanna d'Vei Rabbi Shmuel, another makor, "D'shachat ein v'shachat ela mashach." The shechita has the meaning of a umashach where you're actually pulling back. "V'chein omer zahav shachat." This is a kind of a description of gold, which once again, you're drawing it out, you're pulling back, and you're not pushing hard. "V'omer cheit shachat l'shanim mirmah daber," which also tells us the shechita has to be done with this sawing motion, and not a pressing motion. So, my v'omer, why did the tanna have to bring the second pasuk once he brought the first pasuk? Because cheit emet might have said, "Zahav shachat shnei v'chei chutu." The shachat is actually the gold like which is spun like a thread. "She chot" is the shachat, that like a thread. So, to that, it's going to be "Toshma cheit shachat l'shanim," which we learn from that that the shechita has to be like a sawing motion, and not a pressing motion like the arrow. Okay. Rabbah have a bodak l'geira l'Rabbi Yannai bar Tahlifa. Rabbah was being bodak the arrows of Rabbi Yannai bar Tahlifa to make sure that it was smooth. "D'shachat b'eifa b'chadei d'parach." And he would actually, amazingly, be able to shecht an animal by shooting an arrow at it, and it would glide over the front of its neck and take care of the shechita. Amazing. "D'ilma d'chaladah." Yeah, but how do you know that you didn't do chaladah where the arrow would go behind the simanim on the bird's neck? After the Gemara, "Chazinan" moving over to "Amud Dalet," "gidfei d'mifamei." That the feathers around the neck of the bird were cut through. So, you could see it happened in the front of the neck, and it was not a chaladah problem. Okay, but another technical problem, "v'ha bei kisui." You have to do a kisui hadam, which you can't do if the bird is flying in the air and the blood is squirting out over the open ground. "V'chei temei d'miksulei." And And you want to tell me that afterwards, you found all the blood and you covered it, but it's still not good enough cuz Rabbi Zeira Amar Rav," a lot of people put the dirt above and below the dam. So over there it's going to be within that dirt. And for the there is a way to understand how there was the cool dirt was prepared on this big area of the ground beforehand. So when you shot it in the sky, the dam fell on the prepared dirt and then they were put more dirt on top. There's an interesting Rashi over here. The Rashi says they were actually kind of dug up a lot of the dirt. That's this first shot. So he prepared the dirt. Oh, he is there was already soft dirt there. And he verbally designated it. So the point out the Rashi that all you have to do is just verbally designate existing dirt and that's enough to be the offer for the then the mission said that if you're and you actually cut the head, maybe not totally decapitated like we mentioned, but certainly through the it'll still be a so the length of the knife has to be the width of that neck and beyond it. It's going to be more than the length of the neck. So you more did mean that has to be the width of a neck with an additional width of another neck. So the length of the knife is the length of two necks. I do more more just a little bit more than one so why from our mission says if you cut two heads with one in the my more does it mean with the width of one neck? Only exactly one neck. Well, that can't be cuz if you one animal being in more of a you have to have more than just the length of the one neck. You can't tell me that it's going to be the length of one neck for both animals. More of a the length of the knife It has to be that when the mission said you shake it two animals that the knife has to be the width of one neck, it means besides the length of the two necks that you're already cutting. So it's an additional whole length of a neck. So therefore when it says it has to be means a whole second length of a neck. This much they're only going in one direction, but if you go back and forth then even with the itty-bitty small knife it'll still be a kosher receipt. We're talking about the kind of little small knife that has no little decorative horns on it because it's not a perfectly smooth little blade. What's the actual needle? Can you use it for cuz you could drag the tip of the needle over the front of the neck. So no it's going to ruin the it's going to tear the and therefore it's going to be puzzle and make it into a tray. Okay, but what about the what about someone who works with leather and he has an all like a w l all. We learned the our mission that says if you look even if it's very very small it'll be kosher. Would that include even this kind of a tool that's used for leather? No, it's talking specifically about a small little knife like a scalpel. That's the kind of small itty-bitty knife we're talking about but not a little puncture tool. We already know that no cuz my it's talking about it's talking about the small kind of knife. And cuz master of the tool If you're telling me the small little kind of knife is talking about the like this leather all you're going to have a problem cuz then it'll be a can you use a small knife if you can even use this little pointy thing? That's not really a cuz it's mostly I would still have a by because there's no or there's there's a reason to be answering every kind of so by saying in the mission is telling us that there is no such so after the mission no let's on its own and it shucked it on the way down. After it was shucked even though everything seems to be normal, but it's still because it fell. So, you have to intentionally shuck. That's what we're going to talk about. Now, time in the knife. The reason why the shuck is going to be because the knife fell. But let's say you made it fall and there's your guy involved and it'll be kosher. You don't have to have in mind you just have to have the guy. So, man turned to leave him. If you're telling me that all you need is the guy and you don't need an actual guy, who is that guy? 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Rebbe Akiva Eiger has a point over here of whatever happened to mitzvas tzirchas kavana. And Rebbe Akiva Eiger says because the issue here is not the mitzvah of the shrita, it's the issur of eating the non-gishakhtin of flesh. So you're not going to have a sugia mitzvas tzirchas kavana ligabei the issur not to eat the not kosher food. It mar. Nidah shenensa vetavla. Let's say you have a nidah and she needs to go to the mikvah. So obviously she's currently assurah to her husband. But then she has a tvilah by accident. Maybe she fell off the bridge. And when by the time she came out and said, "Hey, look at that. I was in the mikvah." So Rebbe Akiva Eiger to assurah lekhul bitrumah. She's muteres to her husband but she's assur to eat trumah if she is in nishkas kayan. Rebbe Akiva Eiger now they're saying thing afla basra let tahara. Even to her husband she's not going to be muteres cuz one is tied to the other. Amar lei Rebbe Akiva Eiger to Rebbe Akiva Eiger tahara lebasra lekhul bitrumah. According to Rebbe Akiva Eiger who holds that the woman's muteres to her husband but she is still can't eat the trumah. So freak there avan karis hutra. You're matter the avan karis meaning living with her husband but issur misah miyam be boys of first dates you can eat the trumah. Why would Rebbe Akiva Eiger said that she should be still be assur to eat the trumah? Amar lei Rebbe Akiva Eiger said to Rebbe Akiva Eiger, "It's not about khumra and kula. They're just different. Bayla khulin [snorts] hu vakhulin lebay kavana." As opposed to eating trumah which is not khulin, that's more like kodshim. Freak Rebbe Akiva Eiger no tamah. How do you know to make such a khiluk between khulin and not khulin? Ditsnan cuz the mishna in the fifth perek says galshin itlashu bay arbaim saah. Let's say a wave gets detached from the water. So it's flying through the air this massive water. And it has arbaim saah within this wave. So it's like a disconnected block of water. The nafla al adam veala kelim. So the halakha is tahara. They're completely covered by the arbaim saah. So my love adam dami lekelim. Can't we assume it's the same thing like kelim delay makhvin. Just like the kelim themselves are don't kavana obviously. So if adam dami lebay kavana. So you have a right you don't need to have kavana for the tvilah. Kol Rebbe Akiva Eiger is talking about divrei mekhulin. Freak Rebbe Akiva Eiger how do you know to say this? Dilma beyoshiv umtasviskinan emus yetlashu gal. Maybe there is a kavana because the The waiting and anticipating this wave to wash over them. Turning over to mid base for K and Domi the Adam. And this is how they would be a dimion. My Adam to be in a cover now of K and Nami to come a cover and Lou Adam. The person intends to have the water enveloped the K and Nami. Now if you tell me you want to say well that's not going to work because we have to be on top of my little memo. What would be the K and Nami? Obviously there would be a Tahara. So then to that I would say no because my would be a timer legs and machine heartless [snorts] show the shaman. The reason why there is a K and Nami over here about the wave going on my K and Nami even though you're anticipating it because we have to be K and Nami to rain water that's going down a mountain which is taco puzzle because it has to be and not K and Nami. That's a over there by McVoice. Or in Nami legs and machine auto keeping. We have to be worried about the air pockets that's inside of this wave that's flying through the air. It's not a mass block of water but there's areas where there's no water at all because of the curvature of the wave if you will. So K and Nami legs and machine. So that would be the reason why there's a K and Nami in the fact that the K and Nami are turning me from this guy. Frankly my amino timer to lay my to be laying on the keeping. This is how the air worried about this air space. Who says it's even a problem? It's none because of the safety in the second McVoice. My to be laying on the washing machine my to be laying on the keeping. She ain't my to be laying on the air. Okay. 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So now the this brice is connected that even for chulen meaning the heter to her husband you have to have kavana. I will say to Abaya Rebbe who said Rebbe Ben who held that for you do have to have kavana. The tanya cuz we have a different brice that says Rebbe Ben the bus is talking about washing the clothing of someone has on their my time to say this Why does the Torah say you should wash it a second time? Even if the Torah didn't speak out that it's a second time it would be obvious that's what it means. My kish to vices to vices to make this my vices to just like the first time you have to do it with the kavana of a person. I vices and you might think you need to have the kind of thing you need to have the kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kavana for the tevilah is required for the of chulen and this is what Rebbe is going to go like my flower of Barashe. Rebbe Barashe asks about about this understanding of Rebbe who that you need to have kavana even for the of chulen. I have Rebbe Barashe is Mishna and we learned earlier today in the Mishna not in the if the if the knife fell and an animal I fell she could still be but we about we had a time because and I fell but but he it's that if you throw the knife it's going to be Rebbe even though there's no kavana Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe you do not need to have kavana for the of chulen. So this is going to be connected Rebbe and Rebbe goes like a Mishna which the says there's no cuz Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe Rebbe would be mask him you don't need to have cuz with the Rebbe Rebbe from the fact that the Torah tells us that if you don't have by a of it's going to be even though and hold that is needed for like by to be to her husband they're still be masking for regular good old fashioned by you do not need to have what are going to say about this is because of the fact that So there you're right if you don't need to have for the actual but you do need to have for cutting the actual of the animal and here we're just throwing the knife into a wall you don't even have cut any meat you're not trying to even do that same all over the actually won over the this actually won over the cuz does it say anywhere that you have to cut the animal like there's an of actual cutting that you actually have to cut the animal and Does it have to do a and so if the Torah required a for the cutting of the so if you lose but he covered all the so there's no such thing that I'm throwing against the wall so I don't have an intention to cut the meat that's not a thing it's all about whether or not there's for the writer what's the case that we're talking about but this who accidentally went into the from the case from he answered we talking about another woman threw her the water so then the the of the other woman who did the throwing she's been the here in the story it's a little hard to understand because the actual woman in question is not having it's just another lady throwing her in and the way that explains it is that in the same way when you do your the obviously the has no you are putting the into the so the here is the actual woman who's throwing her in the in the water because the herself is like the Kaylee, the Matville the other woman who's throwing her in. You just have to look at it that way. The Eid also be true Manami according to both and Rav she could eat truma that we learned in the mission in that let's say you have a woman who's and she's in there are other women who can help them to get their tahara then truma they can eat truma. So clearly we can't be talking about where there's another player here who can take care of the tahara of our Nida. So I'm going to pop up with the case we're talking about Nelson and Rav she fell off a bridge. According to Rav where she went into the water to cool off but she didn't have any of the tahara. And this is where we're going to call it and we'll pick it up with for tomorrow's daf.