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Chullin Daf 27
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All right, Daf Chaf Zayin, Wednesday's
Daf, as we begin the second perek.
Which sounds like a b'dieved
d'choloshan, but someone who shechts one
siman by a bird or two simanim by an
animal, then sh'chita is k'sheira. The
ruba sh'alacha k'mayo, and roiv of any
one of these simanim is like the entire
siman. Rubo is k'chulo.
You got to cut the v'ridin, which we're
going to translate as the jugular.
If you only shecht half of one siman of
the oif or one and a half simanim of the
beheima, so that's not enough, and
therefore sh'chita is p'sula. However,
roiv b'oif or roiv sh'nayim b'beheima,
then sh'chita is k'sheira. As long as
you shecht the majority of either the
one by bird or or more than 1.5 of the
beheima, it'll be kosher. And it's going
to be shalom u'shainim if that roiv is
just mash'hu roiv, like if you used a
magnifying glass to see that you just
did it over 50% line, then you're okay.
Or does it have to be a ruba d'minkar?
That's going to be a machlokes Rishonim.
Zokti G'mara, "Hashocheit", which sounds
like it's lashon avar, means someone who
did it already, which is mashma
d'evedin, v'lechat'chila lo oif. But you
tell me sh'nayim b'beheima l'chat'chila
lo oif. The mishna The mishna also
includes that shechting both simanim by
the beheima is a kashrus. That can't be
a lashon of b'dieved. But for crying out
loud, that's that's mul simanim. Ad kama
l'shecht v'leizilam? How much more do
you want to cut? Says Zokti G'mara,
which seems to be two t'rutzim. Ibo eis
sima, "Echad b'oif", maybe that lashon
of b'dieved is only talking about by the
oif. V'ibo eis sima, "A ruba sh'alacha
k'mayo", it's going on the roiv as
opposed to more than the roiv. Now, the
pashtus from the G'mara is that both
t'rutzim are accepted and there's no
machlokes in these t'rutzim. The Rif
does not learn that way. The Rif seems
to pasken one of these two t'rutzim.
Rashi is very clear that the
l'chat'chila b'dieved here is talking on
a d'rabbanan d'ka level. But according
to the Rif, who holds it's machlokes a
t'rutzim, and we pasken like the more
meikel d'ka t'rutz, that's going on the
ruba sh'alacha k'mayo, that means there
would be no l'chat'chila d'kapel simanim
of the oif. This gets into the whole
issue also whether or not there's
l'chat'chila b'dieved by a matir.
Because if you hold sh'chita is not a
mitzva but a matir, there may not be any
l'chat'chila / b'dieved when it comes to
dinim that are only matir. In the same
way, you don't open your mouth when you
go into the mikva because of kol ha'roil
b'vilas, since it's only a kashrus and
paslus issue and not a mitzva like
picking up a lulav. Zokti G'mara,
"K'mash simanim?" Amar Rav Kahana, "I
mean, in English, she shechts human etc.
How do you know that shechting is on the
animal's neck at all? And now we're
going to go through a whole bunch of
different ideas of what that muker is.
Number one,
so the word shechita is mashma mean
mukem she shach in that place where the
animal bends.
You clean it and the way you clean it is
by removing its dam which is by
shechting it. How do you know that it's
a loshen of cleaning?
It's a bias. I know that it's the bias.
The pasuk can tell us says you're going
to clean me with this ezov and I'll be
based on that. The aimem is novah. If
you're telling me that the shachat means
a place where the animal bends, who says
the animal only bends by the neck? It
also bends the tail. It's always bent
there. The shach is mechulash shazak of
peena. It bends means it occasionally
bends but normally it's not bending. So
a good example that would be the neck.
The shach the tail is always bent so
it's not the best use of the word.
Maybe the shach is talking about the
animal's ear which is naturally straight
but bends from time to time.
Lucky you don't have the dam and nefish
that comes out of an ear. The aimem of
the karban is dam and nefish. Maybe you
cut from the ear until you get to the
jugular. And more than that, maybe we
shouldn't even use this drash at all
because
how do you know all these other pesulei
shchita?
It must be a mesorah. So shchita in the
tzavar now we have a mesorah. It's a
mesorah. After all halacha l'Moshe
miSina. But how do you know you can do
shchita on the neck? It's because of
this mesorah. So if we have a mesorah so
then why do I need to have the muker
from the pasuk at all that Rav Kahana
had brought? Because
I know from the pasuk that you don't
need to do more and completely sever the
head and chop it off into two pieces.
Different muker.
So we darshan mi'mukem she'zav the place
where the animal's dam is zav where it
flows. That should be chatehu that's
where you should sever it. So my mashma
the high chatehu loshen the misbarhu.
How do you know that chatehu means
actually breaking something?
Okay,
it talks about this place where it's
flowing. Maybe he's not talking about
the dam from the neck. Maybe some of the
animal's nose where the animal has other
stuff flowing out of its nose. No,
because zav al yedei chita being and it
has to be flowing as a result of a
cutting. The high zav may alav and the
nose is running just because it runs.
The aimem of the liba. Maybe it's
talking about the heart of the animal
which would flow if you would cut it
with a knife. The same also she had a
drasha
of ikrumi no one. Same question. All
these other pesulim how would you know
that must be
what am I doing with
okay
okay I got to go board my flight all
right we're going to pick this up here
on the plane see if we can finish this
before take off
this is now a third mocker this
we're getting into country chicken here
in the beginning of
I'll take with the all of the season one
for a sin
I don't know
where the animal makes a noise where the
animal makes sounds he is
that's where you should do that
cleansing of removing the correcting the
maybe that the
is talking about the place where he
makes a sound meaning the animals tongue
the neck
of being a dominant
is you're not going to have the dominant
by
maybe you have to cut until that point
and the
she had dressed a little bit
same
must be that we know these
as a
and therefore likewise in the I don't
know my also the
same
okay another mocker
my
here's a mocker for being from the
tavern did because the prices
are the same
as it says in the partial of the carbon
and they should arrange the different
pieces of the carbon chain
is
you didn't need the terror to repeat and
those are different parts of the animal
because he's already said that all the
pieces of the animal are going to be
arranged on the
so my is this I don't know what the
color of the my is so I don't know
if you should because the says earlier
in
the
that you do the
of the of the and cut into pieces
as long as you get to those pieces that
are skinning
you don't do any skinning on the it's
already been disconnected from the body
since already considered a separate
piece before the rest of the is done on
the rest of the carcass tell me that
it's
a driver you should range the
so tell me the color of the once I
already said
since the Torah said
you have to include it it's not going to
have any
of
already been already been severed and
disconnected based on the fact that the
head is already severed how do you sever
a head
is already severed how do you sever a
head
on the throat
is on the animal let's just get into
these
starts off bringing his from
about the ration of the saying that were
extra words in the same way and then
afterwards he goes to a later just
talking about the ration of the what is
the
matter with the you know
what I mean I didn't know what to do
this
this arranging on the of the ration of
the
since it's already been severed from the
rest of the time
is this a ration of the
why do I need to say it again in
the
ration of the
head of the animal fats precede all of
the other of the animal when they're
brought in the time and ration turning
over to the common
why do I need the initial header in the
that's
the says
it's a
how does the coin actually do this
process
on the base of he covers this header
this fat over the place where he did the
and that's how he brings it out of the
the reason why he does that is because
covers
you don't want to have the exposed
coming out of that open wound so
therefore you use the to cover up that
part of the bottom line is this is now
another marker for the to take place on
the high time and I see what the because
the says the
Torah of the
this is the of the and the and the bird
in what way are they actually the same
and
back the other way also in the
it has a in the but I think about the
and is about the and the Torah is about
the and the is about the and the is
about the
and the is about the and the is about
the and the is about the and the is
about the and the is about the
and the is about the and the is about
the by the animal.
I'll give you a different thing that we
make a parallel between a bird and an
animal.
Now, you might learn more. If you want
to say just like by the case of a bird,
you do it from the back of the neck,
meaning melika.
That's not the case by regular shchita
of the wife.
Specifically only being done to that
melika bird, but regular shchita is not
going to be done that way. Comes out
that he has a muker now that the shchita
is done on the tsavar, the front of the
neck of the animal.
What does he do with the zayis? The
zayis is a meat, and he's trying to make
it a ribo.
Dafka limited to the bird that only has
one siman, and a beheima though requires
both simanim.
Beheima and birds are brought in the
pasuk between beheima and fish.
You can't have konah and veshet by a
bird.
You can't tell me that the reason why
the bird is there is to tell me that you
have to cut both simanim like you do by
a beheima.
Because there's a hekesh from birds to
fish.
You can't go the other extreme saying
you can eat a bird without shchiting it
at all.
So, how can you reconcile it? How do you
have a hekesh both to an animal and to a
fish? You split the difference.
So, you only need to shat one siman by
the wife.
And in that way, it's in some ways like
a beheima and some ways like
Now, let's back up. Dog and the love of
shchita and the numina. How do you know
fish don't need shchita?
That tzein and bakar require shchita.
They only need to be gathered.
All we need for fish is just to gather
them, and you don't have to shat them at
all. But that can't be the muker that
dog and don't need shchita because of
the matter of gabei
they gathered also those and
you still had established
also you know why this are from because
of the
there's never a time we have a in a
place where another animal gets a
but
so come to
is all you need for there's a
is the by
a
or maybe you just don't any kind of
killing at all you could just like eat
it that would be the
said the from the
an animal which was created from the
earth whatever that exactly means
whatever that exactly means
is by cutting both
of them they came from the water
this is kind of a thing I believe the
says
a shot in what this might mean
birds which are created from the mud
they only need to have one of their cut
bring your that the are created from the
mud which is partially out of the water
and therefore it borrows some from the
aspects of the fish
and you shall have similarities
similarities of fish in the same way
there are similarities to and bottom
line is only one needs to be cut
there was more of this conversation is a
reference to the conversation between
and
the general who is from Rome that in the
have a whole dialogue this is some of
their dialogue
this is what I am sure I have
all but we learn from here that we might
that the birds were created from water I
have also says seems that the birds came
from the land how do you reconcile that
it seems that the birds came from the
land how do you reconcile that it seems
that the birds came from the land how do
you reconcile that
to this general that came from the mud
which is a combination of both earth and
water tell me that
the general saw that his were very
surprised when he said this I later on
said to the it seems like you have a
problem with the
cash that I just pushed away this person
with a piece of straw meaning I was just
there him, but the it's true Min Hamayim
Nevru, the birds were created from
water. The love of Havaya and all of
them, why were they brought to Adam
Rishon which sounds like they came from
the earth? That's only because they came
to Adam Rishon and shame. So, Adam
Rishon should give them a name.
Some will say the Lashon Acher Omer Lo
Yisa Min the following way. Rishon Omer
Lo Talmidav and it was flipped around.
Mishnah
and it was what he told the Talmidim
that mud was the way to reconcile
between the earth and the water. I'll
stop here and pick it up with Yehudah or
tomorrow's stuff.