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Chullin Daf 117
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All right, Duff Koff Zion. Tuesday's
Duff as we get to finish the eighth
perek, but first let's pick it up on the
third wide line on Koff Zion and base.
Omar bar
Yochana, mamiden bekevas nevelois. You
can be mamid the cheese meaning that the
process of making the cheese that mixes
with the rennet enzyme that's inside of
the kevas nevelois even though obviously
a nevelah is also to eat, but we look at
this as like an independent separate
entity. But the ain mamiden bekevas
shritas avodah the goes ahead and
shechts an animal which you obviously
also can't eat. That will be a problem
to make your cheese inside of that kevas
shritas avodah and of course the
question is what's the difference? Why
isn't a nevelah any better? Omar bar
Yochana
keman who's going like it's
Eliezer de Omar stam machsheves avodah
avodah
it is worse because when a kills an
animal he's doing it avodah
which has an
to which Omar says back Omar velakeman
like who else like totally Eliezer. But
ki
bar
mamiden bekevas nevelah bekevas shritas
avodah they're going to have the same
halacha that you can do it and you can
be mamid your cheese in there. Why
should we be Eliezer? We're not for
Omar that the
doing avodah.
The
ain mamiden
bekevas nevelah you can't be mamid
inside the actual
the of the nevelah avo mamiden bekevas
nevelah but you could do it with the
rennet that's found inside the stomach
cuz that rennet is not considered part
of the animal.
Because we're going like Omar bar we're
not for Eliezer and we'll read the gears
of the way we have it here with a kevas
shera yunkam in treifah that rennet that
comes from a kosher animal that was from
a treifah of a kosher treifah and where
that rennet actually came from
and my time is because that
that milk that's inside of that keva is
almohu it's just considered which is
like waste but the idea is it's not
considered anymore. It's a different
product and therefore the rennet that's
found inside the kevas gedi that was
Yonic a treifah is going to be motor
because it's looked at as just this
fairish. That is that Zuck the last
mission in the park. Khmer be Halal me
be dumb. There's a Khmer of Halal
meaning that also kind of fat over dumb
even though they're both us are and
likewise the Khmer be dumb and be Halal.
Khmer be Halal what's the Khmer of Halal
over dumb show Halal moving over dumb
and olive my own by there isn't is from
a yellow for being Nana with Halal. You
got to bring your sham yellows and you
got to pay for the Halal plus the extra
Khmer fish but that's only by Halal.
pickled nicer for Tommy even though
there's typically in this
you will still have these
machine came be dumb as opposed to the
dumb of cod gym that if you're Nana from
the dumb of cod gym of course it's us
are but you're not
for the me yellow. The Khmer be dumb on
the other hand there's a Khmer be dumb
over Halal show dumb like be a man kind
of life being with the main being with
the time all these different kinds of
animals are all having a sort of dumb.
The Halal of in a night yellow be a man
to hire a bull vat just kosher be a
man's not even highest or highest face.
Okay but this is the mission that says
that you have me yellow for Halal of cod
gym me Nana me yellow. How do you know
that there is going to be the system me
yellow by Halal of cod gym and the way
the more is asking the questions how do
you know even by cod gym column there's
going to be me yellow because cod gym
column are moment by them and in fact
there is no is from me yellow during the
lifetime of the animal but from the fact
that our mission is not my Halal it
seems that there is an is are of me
yellow even by the cod gym column. So
what's the marker on my rabbit yellow
night to a marker the passage says by
the park line gold will catch here you
run me show
a show a man. Now we can all the one of
me show me out there. What's the new
thing that we're learning here about
this carbon show a man of the kind gold
is bringing that we didn't already know.
How is a ball of a llama even into
llama. Since we're not learning anything
new to eat it must be coming as a source
to teach something else that Marcus show
a man of a show a man of the park line
Messiah that my park line Messiah is for
me yellow because that's cod gym cod gym
of show a man of a show a a man of a
llama even be me yellow even by is a
llama which is cod gym column and there
was no is from me yellow while it was
still alive but once it's good show a
man it's a more of a cetera are going to
be kind of me yellow after this week is
a dumb is done. Right the tomorrow I'm
early be honey now cool is a good Rebbe?
Do you have such a big problem with what
Rebbe already taught us? That the Bryce
says call Kayla of LaHashem which we
Darshan LaRabba say more Kachim Kalam
LaMila. So we already had a mocker. Call
Kayla of tells us this. That there isn't
Isram Ela because they're all BeChlav of
Kodesh Hashem. So Amara Bayana Itstrik I
need both Drashas. Because of Rachmana
Kayla of which Rebbe tells us have a
mean of Kayla of in but Yisrael should
take a loyalist. Lie. Those other parts
of the animal are not going to be hive
me Ela because the Pasuk wasn't talking
about Yisrael and the Shita Kalaist. And
therefore Kodesh of Rachmana Kasha
Yoram. Our Drasha that we started off
with. The Yikas of Rachmana Kasha Yoram
our have a mean of Kayla of Al LaLisa
Bashar. There is no Kayla of Aliya in
the Shur that the Pasuk was talking
about and therefore lie you might not
think that there'd be me Ela there. So
Kodesh of Rachmana call Kayla of. So
basically we need both Drashas to cover
all our bases the different parts of the
Kachim Kalam. Frightening Amara Amara of
Marila Rosvid Ela I agree Kayla of if
you're telling me that the Aliya which
is the tail is Taka BeChlav the word
Kayla of so Titzra Achila because Kayla
of Taka Assur but we don't find that the
Aliya is considered Assur. So Amara Lays
Dr. Rosvid back to Amara Alecha Maracha
call Kayla of Shar Deches of Voiz. That
we Darshan Dover Hashav Bashar Deches of
Voiz that the Kayla of Israel will only
be on the kind of Kayla of which is
across the board all these different
animals. LaAfuke the Kayla of Aliya
which is exclusive to that sheep. So
even though Kayla of Aliya is BeChlav
the word Kayla of it's still going to be
much to eat. Rav Ashi Amara different
mocker. The Kayla of Aliya Ikroy but
Kayla of Stama Lo Ikroy. You're only
going to call it Kayla of Aliya but
you're not going to say it's Stama the
regular Assur Kayla of. So then
Frightening Amara the other way. Ela
Meata Lo Yuma Lo Boda then there
shouldn't even be me Ela because the
Torah only Assured the regular kind of
Kayla of not the Kayla of Aliya. Ela
Mach Varta Kidor Rosvid you're right.
Let's go back to what Rosvid had said
that only a Dover Hashav Shar Deches of
Voiz is going to be Assur. Then the
Mishna said Masha Ain Cain BeDam that
Dam of Kachim is not Shaik to me Ela
Pigel Naisar Tamei. So we don't even
need it. So Amara Ula you know how I
know that Dam Kachim is not Shaik to me
Ela because Dam of Kora Lo Chem. That
the Dam gives you Kapara Shalo Chem
Yihay. That it's considered yours. It's
Lo Chem meaning it's not Hashem's that
would be Shaik to me Ela but rather it's
locham. The very Bishmole Tana, lachaper
that Hashem has given it for kapara.
Lachaper anasativ veloi lemeela. A third
mocker, Rebbe Yechana Amar, omer kra hu.
Because the pasuk says ki hadam hu
banefesh yechaper. So hu implies it is
as it was. So hu lifnei kapara kela
achar kapara. Mala achar kapara ein
bimeela? Once the kapara is actually
done with the dam, it's not shaikh to me
Ela. Af lifnei kapara ein bimeela. And
we'll see soon in the Gemara about how
after the mitzvah is done, it's no
longer shaikh to me Ela. Ofer the Gemara
ve'eema, maybe it should be the other
way around. Hu la'achar kapara kilifnei
kapara. That malifnei kapara yesh
bimeela, af la'achar kapara yesh
bimeela. Who says we're going to go
lekula? Maybe we should go lechumra. And
for the Gemara, ein loch davar shenaseh
mitzvaso uma'alam by now. Because we
never find that once you do the mitzvah,
it's still going to be shaikh to me Ela.
So you can't learn it that way lechumra.
It's got to be more lekula. Aiv aloi, I
can't show you a case of where the
mitzvah has been done, it's still shaikh
to me Ela. Vaharai trumas hadeshen, that
first avodah that's done every morning
where the kohen would go up to the
mizbeach, take the ashes from
yesterday's korbanos, and then he would
put it on the east side of the mizbeach
where all the pinasa would be absorbed
into the ground. That avodah is nases
mitzvasai, and there is meela deshiv
disamai etzel hamizbeach. And then the
samai implies has to permanently be
there. And you can't be naneh from it
afterwards. So why don't we say the same
halacha as by the dam? And for the
Gemara, mishum dehavei trumas hadeshen
ubegdei kehuna. I'll show you there are
two things that stay ossur, which is the
trumas hadeshen and the begdei kehuna.
And the begdei kehuna is referring to
specifically the additional four begadim
that the kohen gadol would wear on Yom
Kippur, that they also stay ossur. And
those are shnayim tzitzim ubain
keyachin. Kol shnayim tzitzim ubain
keyachin eim lamdin since there are two
exceptions, therefore you don't have a
model for the rest of kol haTorah kula.
Vahanicham sham lamdin shitu miginiza.
That only works well like she says
Rabbonan that say that beinicham sham is
referring to the begdei kohen gadol that
they have to always be nignaz because
they stay ossur. Ela Rebbe Deiset to
omer, shelo yishtamesh bohen leYom
Kippur acher. That we don't learn that
in issurei meela, but rather that the
kohen gadol can't use them on a
different Yom Kippur, but they're mutar
for the rest of the year. May ikal
le'eimar, what are you going to say
according to Rebbe Deiset? Doesn't seem
to be shnayim tzitzim ubain keyachin
anymore. Ela the Gemara is going to say
you're right. We can't be matter that
dumb after the avoid is done because we
should have a true succession of a girl
or a roof there's those are the two
exceptions and therefore there will be
snake swimming in
the whole snake swimming in the animal
okay fine so we'll use the true
succession of a girl or a roof as the
two exceptions but honey
in Milan then I'll mother my love and
Michael the mayor cuz that is after all
a Michael and for the Gamora Trey
turning over to me base may you take CV
there are two before you tell me to me
in the tire regarding true succession of
a girl or a roof or exit this summer as
we said by true succession it says
before then it's going to be a sir and
awesome
which is the additional hey that seems
extra we dashing to say that it's going
to remain a sir so you have the tire
basically telling you before
saying it's tough going these two
different of true succession of a girl
or a roof that they'll be an issue to
use them after it's not
but by the dumb there will be no after
this week is a dumb in the
and it will become motor for a thing of
war
acquire a llama little bit dumb the mice
that comes out from these different
Macarius that we had on
that there are three different Macarius
to me my Adam and seems we need to have
brushes to use all these different
mutant that there's no issue so the
choir is going to be
mean nicer that in a case of dumb nicer
you're going to be
for the issue of dumb but not for the
nicer but maybe
as we said and
that if he ate this dumb culture when he
was told me he's only going to be
for the dumb but not for the issue of
eating culture when he's told me but
people but if you eat the dumb of people
it's all because as we've said many
times in this book did that call she ate
being a little bit scared I have a love
mission people you can only be high of
people when it is something that is
mattered but I'm going to matter and the
dumb itself is the matter cuz you do
this week of with the dumb it's matter
the boss of culture but nothing else is
matter it and therefore is never issue
of people and dumb so we don't even need
a possible be in my head and there you
go how do I love culture boss and now we
begin the ninth pair of the sector one
the mirror actually this is the 11th
pair of but our Gamora's have this as
the ninth pair of all about to my entire
yay so I can mission
the The of the animal the ha'oreidate,
and the liquid that comes out of the
animal, the ha'akipa, and the spices
that were used in the process of
preparing the meat that are now at the
bottom of the pot, the ha'elal, which
are the little pieces of meat that
remain attached to the hide of the
animal after you skin it, the atzamos,
the bones, the gidim, the karnayim, and
the horns, the tzalafayim, and the
hooves. All of these things are
mitztaref l'tamei tumas ochlin. They can
be mitztaref with the basar for tumas
ochlin. So, you can actually add these
things together to make the shear avlei
tumas nevelas. But, these things are
actually not the nevelah themselves, and
therefore they won't be mitztaref to
comprise a kazayis needed for tumas
nevelas. Now, the issue in this list is
what's the halacha by a shomer. A shomer
is that which is protecting what's
inside. Like a shomer pri is the peel of
a fruit. So, each one of these things
may have a din shomer for what's inside.
Like the hooves could be a shomer of the
basar that's in a foot. And that's what
the Gemara will be talking about this
halacha of a shomer. Ki atzei boi
another halacha. Ha'shocheit beheima
t'meiah l'keichavim. Let's say a Jew
[clears throat] is hired to slaughter a
goy's animal. Now, the halacha is for
Yidden, once you do shechita, it's
considered dead. There's no more eiver
min ha'chai. It's not that way for a
If the animal's still thrashing
about after you do a shechita, it's
still considered alive klappei a
So, zok the Mishnah, u'mei'farcheses, if
this animal that the Yid shochted for
the is still thrashing about, it's
going to be mitamei tumas ochlin avlei
tumas nevelas. It's not considered a
nevelah yet ad she'tamei until it's
really dead, o ad she'yatzas es rosho,
or until it gets decapitated. We'll talk
more about that in the Gemara. Ribah
l'tamei tumas ochlin min mashah ribah
l'tamei tumas nevelas. The Torah gave us
more vehicles to be mitamei tumas ochlin
than tumas nevelas because as the
Mishnah listed, these things are
considered foods, and therefore they're
going to be conveying a tumas ochlin,
but they're not considered a nevelah
even though it's about to become a dead
carcass. Bar bei Yehudah eimer, ha'elal
m'chunas, those shreds of meat that are
attached to the hide when you're flaying
the animal that were gathered together
im yash b'chazayis b'makom echad, chayav
alav, there will be a tumah, and
therefore potentially, if he goes into
the Beis Hamikdash or eats kodshim,
he'll be chayav kareis. Zok the Gemara.
The chilluk that our Mishnah initially
makes between tumas ochlin and tumas
nevelas. So, tanina l'cholah d'tanah
Rabbanan, shomrim l'tumah kalah, there
is a halacha of shomrim klappei tumah
for Shimon the tumor camera so I wish
you tell me
there's a
lot of the Shimon and what it's
protecting coffee to my number not for
the size of Thomas
and now we need a marker Shimon the
tumor camera mean Allen how do you know
there's a lot of Shimon that there's a
by Thomas the tunnel of the Shimon
I'll call Zara the lower I share you so
rare that when the falls on the seed it
will stay tar and because this is of
course the marker for the cobble tumor
and we could
automate scenes in the way the people
plant seeds which is he to be
sorry
the
big person seeds are planted with their
husks and their shells on that even
though those shells are not themselves
you don't eat them they're not edible
and they just protect the food that's
inside but you learn from this that a
Shimon is Mr F with the food that it's
protecting club Thomas because that's
the context of the prices stops on the
big that we know from the famous that
at the very end of the
that in the same way that is planted a
rumor without any clothing so to a human
body is buried without any clothing but
Mason is going to come out with lotion
so why is saying that you're bearing a
with its connected to the services it
might just mean an that people are not
to take off the shells and the husks
actually that way in Russia is gross
points out the chain is Russia is
Russian but anyway we're still dealing
with the carrots of the prices but we're
going to stop here and pick it up from
Shimon
for tomorrow's stuff