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Chullin Daf 109
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All right tests Monday's daf and we've
been talking about coupled with and we
had touched on whether or not
means whether or not that is when it's
pilate can expel from the source is and
therefore now make that so we're going
to pick it up on 13 lines from the
bottom
that idea of whether or not the iser can
actually leave and now be that original
that's going to be that's
the
Let's see. Have a little drop of milk
falls on a piece of meat.
Once that little drop of milk is into
the
right and therefore
because now it itself goes ahead and
makes all the other also
because of the whole thing. That's
you have to have enough [snorts]
to be nice into all the different
products of the meat. And if there's
only enough Tom to give Tam into that
particular but not the rest of what's in
that whole pot, even that will become MT
because the Tam that goes into that now
gets this battle amongst all the other
things in the pot. So that's
near
as long as you didn't cover or stir the
pot.
But
to the
when you did stir or cover that pot
because the near and the kisa that
action causes there to be more of
dispersement of the tam. So that's the
bryson. Now we break this down. My
valisa. What did Remy mean when he said
there is going to be near when you were
not near aisa? nearly you didn't do
anything. So,
so the that the fell on has now absorbed
that but it wasn't pilot into any other.
So there's no reason to answer the other
as said. So of course it had to have
been somehow mixed or connected with the
other
you must say that when Rebi said you
didn't do the near and the was in the
beginning before that got the
you had to have been near at the end
after that has now gotten the and
similarly
but the question is why is that whole
pot going to be according to am I
absorbed but then it spit it out so must
be
you have to learned that what Rebi is
saying is that when it's even if it's
for that to be pilot out of the original
stays and we don't say but rather is
that's where we get to see on that side
of the now moving over to now this that
Rebi says that near where you were not
near and you not and we're only
understanding that to be in the
beginning
or it's going to be because Rebi was
limiting to be here in different only
when you didn't do it in the beginning
but my fractal
that first never was the since it was
already near from the beginning and it
was immediately dispersed and therefore
it was already right away to which the
answers
is going to say it's going to be because
you didn't quite disperse that time of
the right away through a proper near and
a proper but anyway the point for us is
that we've established the
Now we got to show the other side of the
coin
that was near to everything when it was
near. So my near
you only did at the end and
you only did the covering at the end.
But near
we already said that he was masking to
in that case where he didn't cover it in
the beginning and he didn't mix in the
beginning because it's already must be
near
the whole time it was already near and
it was covered and that's what it'll be
near
that would imply that is only in that
case but themselves hold that it was
only near and not near and
that's when it's going to be mut if
you're telling me it's going to
Even though that near was only must be
you're going to say
because even that original
once the tom was pilate from it. So you
have a now for
who says that's actually
maybe the idea of everybody's mask it's
going to stay but what's the between
it's a different issue whether or not
you about the whole idea of and the
whole issue is about that original
whether or not when it's if it is going
to become because
But the doesn't like that cuz
it would be fine and all would be right
in the world if in this would at least
hold
and they're arguing as we want to
suggest about
therefore
that's when would pick and choose when
he likes and when he likes
but if you want to say that really
everybody's mask the piece of meat can
never become again and is simply and
that's what are arguing about
it should have said I'm asking here I'm
not masking there it wouldn't say I'm
it has to be that reb saying I agree
with and I disagree with on this front
and likewise the opposite in the other
way and the gar is very confident that
this has to be the issue about whether
or not it's actually not about the
just based on the way rebby was speaking
about
and the Mishna the udder of a cow which
has the unique property of being both
meat and containing in it milk the is
before milk comes out of a cow it
doesn't have the property of being but
there's a process to how you're supposed
to actually prepare the
you tear it open you take out the milk
that's inside if you don't tear it open
but rather you just cook it the way it
is you're not going to be ivor meaning
you're not going to get malus for buster
because there's no isserv on milk that
never came out of its mother. Now
similarly
let's say you have a heart which of
course there the problem is going to be
about the blood. Now even though malika
will typically always take care of blood
but not blood that is pulled together
and therefore might as you got to tear
it open and take out the dam but like if
you don't tear it open and just you cook
it the way it is you're not going to
have a problem of bas because as Rashi
speaks out based on the gam increases on
we're talking about the lathe of a bird
which is very small you don't have a
kazayas to give you an actual is curis
but if a person ate a heart of let's say
a cow or a sheep which was not ko before
cooking you'd get curries because inside
that There's going to be a kazayas of
dam. All right, turning over to BGR. Our
mission had this expression of
when we say that's not like you're not.
No, it's not even it's
we learned in the
which sounds
that there should be and that the milk
inside of the is still going to be which
the says no.
There isn't even an how do you explain
this of it's
the heart has to be torn
and that if you don't tear open the
there won't be so
there there will be an iss
of the safe and now why by the safe are
you even though you're not going to get
the because of the
You're not allowed to have even a of the
dam but by the milk inside the inside
the other it's hast milk it's still
inside the animal it's not like blood
which has a den of blood even inside the
animal. So again is saying that there
isn't even an if you cook this with the
inside of it
let's say the following is going to be a
riot to this sheet of because
you tear it open you take out the milk
if you don't tear it open and
if you didn't tear it open
and you tear it open after it's cooked
which Rashi later is going to explain
that means it's roasted it'll be mut but
the but the mashmo isa
we only need to have the ka after it's
cooking or roasting if it was never
opened beforehand but it only says it
about the boy because by the we're
saying it's mut hasn't come out of the
so from this
maybe all the means is that you only
need to do ka for the le because of the
nature of the way the lathe is that's
very smooth and it's not absorbent all
you have to do is tear it open and it
comes out and that's the point of the
bryce
But the point of the price is that it's
not enough to do only ka by the because
the ka won't be effective by the kal
because now that you've done this bish
with the kal the ka won't be enough
because it's now been absorbed into the
buser of the kal but that's not the case
by the la and that could be the point of
the bry. So that's all lion number one
of that it's mut to have the that's
inside the but a whole another lotion
that
there will be of eating the of this
animal even if it never came out of the
and let's say our mission is because
but sounds like from the
to which the
no I'll tell you really there isn't any
you don't have a riot from a
love. We're doing it of the where it
talks about the lay of the heart.
Soon you know
really
you don't have a from to say like this
second that it's all try to bring a riot
from
you tear it open take out the however
this is the same rice we said beforehand
you now have to do the ka after it's
cooked which we're touching as roasted
and then it becomes mut but it sounds
And it's right away as it is
because
as we said there's a between the nature
of a and a how smooth it is and how
absorbent the boser is
let's bring a ria from aa like the first
lotion of ravish mutal
is mut if the was roasted with its own
milk it's going to be muta that's the
fourth stomach of the animal
is also because it's left the and now
that has a and the breaks it down
but what do you see from the that in the
mish mut which supports the first lotion
of now frankar when we talk about this
ka how do you do it
if you do it horizontally and vertically
and you squeeze against the wall you
squish out anything that might be inside
the any remaining milk rebel shame rebel
one time told
tear it from me. I'm going to roast it
and eat it. So
there's not
that extra he wasn't and he just simply
giving a regular giving a simple career
would be enough
of ya told her husband
called
whatever the terra assert there's always
a corresponding heter they're always
going to have the other thing that has a
similar but as mut what's the reason for
that some suggest because the terra
wants to show us that The reason why we
don't have this dvarer is not because
it's disgusting but because rather the
tyra said so hash said so and to
illustrate that we'll have the same kind
of thing in a mut form. So what are the
examples that we're talking about
blood but
the liver which is basically a
collection of hardened blood
but you have after a woman gives birth
that's
you have which is essentially the same
kind of thing but one's kosher one's
but shea but it's m the brains of a
shibuta fish which tastes a lot like
kazerusra
girus which is a nut kosher bird tastes
the same as a fish tongue assh Obviously
it's user to live with an ish but it's
even though her husband is still alive
which is going to be you can't live with
a
I want to eat something that has the
same taste as where can I find that
told his cooks to make
take the meaning that and roast it
because that will have essentially the
same taste of but it'll be mutar as we
were discussing So I want to infer from
here that there's no problem with the
bacon and parved cheese and these kinds
of things are certainly an impossible
burger. All the kinds of foods that
taste like they're not kosher because
you see that's what y was saying and
there was no real problem with that. You
could take a look at Zilberstein who
discusses that over here in kashukmed he
wants to be malik he wants to suggest
perhaps aik between when the m something
or when you're trying to make something
taste tfe. But anyway, getting back to
our gar
that you first have to be the
tell his cooks to roast this without
first tearing it. The garra who was
saying the mission was only talking when
you're cooking the in a pot in a kadra.
But if you're going to roast it, you
don't even have to do any ka at all
because the roasting process will
actually let the kalov drip out of it.
And the way Rashi seems to understand is
that was arguing with Ravener from
beforehand because they did hold you do
need a kaish
that you cooked that with the milk and
that sounds like but you can't do it
without the ka which says
you are allowed to cook the even without
tearing it open
won't be the either And we shall stop
here and pick it up with Kiska Belozer
for tomorrow's DAV.