Chullin Daf 101

All right, Dav Alf Sunday's D. So on Shab we introduce the Mishna where the Tanakama says you don't have an isser by a noter animal. Huda argues and says there is nisser because the bayakov had the isser to which the tanakama responds that the isser only came about at sai there seems to be a mis rashi and the ramam in the perishna is how to understand according to rashi that the isn't there until matra and only at matra according to rashi it was written back bim mukai >> whereas the raam in the perishay famously says that we're only to do things from what was said by sai and not what was said earlier >> but inami it was user for the benak even before manty. It's just not the reason that we don't eat the giranosha. But either way, this idea that ganha would be on that's not kosher gets into the because seem to be acknowledging you can have the isser giranosha on top of the iser of the not kosher animal which is problematic since seems to holder by the case of the t which is an aa and this is all assuming that the giranosha is considered meat because it's nice because if it's not nice then it wouldn't be meat in the first place to have any kind of iserna. So the last thing we did yesterday was the gar suggestion that again the nasha according to is nice to it is considered buser but it but it comes about at the same time as the is noa because it's nishil even as an uber as an as an unborn fetus of an animal it's already user which means that the githanosha is begins as the animal is a fetus so it's really essentially the same time from its creation if they'll be both the ginosha and behem it's not since they come together at the same time but then the garra We see that holds. We see from the beginning of the peric back on PE is that holds it's which the was it depends whether it's a ker animal or not. It is by but not by and now we're finally caught up picking it up like a dozen lines from the bottom of this premise that both the is happening at the same time says for the following kinds of a noir is cicers nazerus has to shave his head and start his count of nazirus again alame if he becomes into contact with a dead body the al kazayas miname and just a kazayas worth of a mason and that doesn't seem to make any sense. If you're telling me these for sure for a whole dead body so why do you have to list me both and said to that when we talk about the whole mace we're not talking about an adult corpse we're talking about a nel which was not developed that even though it's not a kaz is this itty bitty little nafel but since it's a complete mace it will be matama mace but what do you see from that the avarl developed before the rest of its body including the ginanosha alma So don't talk to me that according to computer they're happening at the same time they're two different times. You're right. The is going to happen before the before the gin is formed. But yet still I why there's a special of the that's more because it applies to because it was to even though we typically would say here because of the it will be that this is the so the way we're understanding this is that even according to the there would be no Practically speaking, it can't because it's already been and that means that also the Tanakama is acknowledging that the gan are therefore it is of baser but hold that the gush could be on the pre-existing of because it's more since it was to the bench and this is what says by saying that the iser was on the ben as opposed to saying that it was only when nasher animals were muta's point is that it's not only that the gan is not kosher animals but to say that it's on the ben that's the nuda getting back into the we started talking about right after the Mishna you get two sets of malgus one because you ate not kosher meat and one because you ate moving over to which sounds like he's in for not eating animals and for not eating what are we talking about for both if you're telling me for eating meat which came first And if you're going to say if you're going to tell me that is not and therefore it's not and therefore there is no pre-existing of is on the should because there's no problem. So according to why would you be off scot-free and not be over any at all and therefore it's not meat and therefore there is no pre-existing therefore there is no but still the don't eat it so we're only saying that kind of an animal that gid is but the buser is muter so we're being the non-casher animal that the gid would be user had the to be applying and the buster would also be user and therefore the isser animal whether or not the g was already user as not kosher buster let's say someone eats a ginosha of a regular kosher one for the one for eating just for eating the ginosha because according to the ginosha is and therefore it's already the animal's buser but it's not for noa and therefore when the animal drops dead and becomes a noa that is not and points out that according to even when that second is more inclusive than the first one we will still say and that's why you're gan of a carbon where he's eating the of something that became an oris you're going to be have two sets of malcus one because of the ganosha but also one because of this measure to eat since it's for an oris now manhana who is this tana that we want to apply the toes when you have an inclusive you don't say but in a case of where it's an issue you will hold that the second is will be because both by the and by the it's a more expansive it's the whole animal not just it's also so that new which is will also be back on the ga who is that as the mission says is if a tummy person eats which the itself is or the itself is but he's tummy he will be to bring a carbon if he did for example he didn't know that he was tummy then he has to bring a carbon is if he eats but is if he himself is and he ate that's he'll be he'll only be because he ate something that's we think clearly means to say that a tummy person can't eat. But if the food was already tummy from before, he's not to eat it because it's already been said after even if a tummy person ate food once he touched it before he ate it, he's going to make it tummy. But in that case, you're asking him that to bring a carat for eating when he himself is tummy. And if that's the case, he should be even where he ate kachum that was tame before he touched it. Because what difference does it make whether or not the food became tame as a result of him picking it up to eat it or because somehow it became tame beforehand? Either way he ate food that was already tummy twitch says what's basically going to say back and you may remember this from buster when he became tummy first and then the buser became tummy afterwards kulg then he has to certainly bring a carbas for eating that buser because even though it already was what came first in which is the for eating when you're eating kachum when the person is t but when you're eating kachum that the thing you're eating is t that's only so in that But when is there going to be when the first thing is the fact that the meat itself became tommy not that the person but the meat in which case then the isalus is being applied first before the isaris. So now the second is being more than the first one in the fact that iters all different to this person even that which was previously. So there is more is in the world here it's more but basically less why the miguan we don't say such amigu basically argues with the migu of that second is that makes him for eating the kship because we're basically arguing with the migu that the later is making him for eating the pieces it should also make him for eating the this tummy piece so what do you see from all this basically holds the idea of isar even if that Second is more inclusive and it's and therefore the who argue must be still but let's say the second one is more what's that going to be that's going to be whereas the previous is of eating that's only going to be malus raashi you're making a big assumption here that is going to be more because of the data to less This is a very interesting idea that is saying that inh is worse for the person being tame but that doesn't necessarily be the only criteria for determining what's considered ara maybe the fact that there's never going to be a tahara for food because food can never can become tar unless it's water that hashuk can be met but a regular piece of buser once it becomes tummy it's tummy forever a person however might be worse for a tummy a person but the person can fix himself he can go to the mikvah but the food is less than mikvah and maybe that's why it's more turning over bay for ble less lesser this idea that basically doesn't hold you. Let's say you have a day that's both right on chabas. So what's going to be with this guy? How do you know that he's for each one? one carbonas for shabas and another carbonas for yamipper and it's two different only have one carbon because but what do you see from the fact both clearly you do say when one is and since shabas is being more than because for now when shabas comes you're going to be also get misdil And Rashi goes through to show you how is also on because of the to eating you do say the when it's the so and for the is actually the way the Mishna was learned but the Russian is messed up switch it found where basically hold that it was switched around one. Let's say he did a clap shabas and he was meder the way Rashi says the example that he knew it was yamipper he just forgot it was shabas he'll be for shabasipur the other way around he'll be putter no carbas at all and because the understanding is that shabas was but was not because the is of shabas was but the isipur was not and if you're not bring unless shabas was my what's the reason that you have of shabas as opposed to because I'm shabas every Single date of Shabas is already pre-established from shish braces right every day that follows Friday is going to be a shabas but is but kipper can depend it depends on when they are and say when it should happen and therefore we always look at the iser of shabas to have first and therefore it's like a pre-existing isser and therefore it prevents the kipur from being they both came at the same time once the night falls on Friday night it starts being shabas at the same time in which case why according to the guy who was over there bears only bring out carbon kas for shabasa it was a time of where the yidden were not allowed to observe the kipper and therefore kazal saidurabs that they should make the yum kipper that year on shabas in other words this was a very unique story because of that they didn't want yum kipper to be forgotten and therefore they told everyone to be yum kipper on that year on shabas even though it really wasn't yum kipper and therefore the goyam wouldn't that they were observing kipper because all right they're not working today they just assumed it's shabas of course since this is shasm we have to understand why everything is not because of why were not to defy the shasm and the asks that for accasha the mer ends off also when raven came and all that came from they said like rava that's what happened over there and we'll pick it up with the two dots for Monday's daf