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Today's daf is
and we are at the very top line the very
first word of
today's being learned as
for
today's also being learned
that's my grandmother Mrs. Talamir today
is her 21st yard site. May today's
learning and all the learning that we do
be a and an aliyah for her. So we're
moving along here in the beginning of
the first parag dealing with
[snorts] related to
the first several den of the maka as we
saw dealt with the opening line of the
maka.
And is that allowed to or is that only a
lot of today's is going to move on from
that topic and going to get into some
very important
related to the truth is
actually is a daf that requires an
asterisk. We're going to say that a lot
in school. But ironically the asterisk
that requires is less as it relates to
its significance and its prominence in
hilita
although it is significant and prominent
in hashita more however as it relates to
its significance and prominence in the
laws of
there's a lot of
here on that relate to uh very basic
fundamental understanding ing of ble and
plus which are all very much the topic
of the latter part of the if you've ever
learned of
you know that there's a big but really
galore that permeate the gam that we are
going to learn today of course given the
a lot of time that we have we're going
to do what we do and without further ado
I'm
reb
said in the name of his great
if somebody would take a knife and he
would make it very very hot and then he
would an animal
would be now why would you think that
the is not kasha because being that the
sakin is very hot it's possible that
before the severed the two simon of the
animal he burnt the simonyim that's what
caused the animal to die and if that's
the case. It wasn't a per se that
ultimately affectuated the death of this
animal. It was rather the
and if that's the case, this animal is
going to be in a bar said in the name of
you don't have to worry about that. And
the reason is
before the knife has an opportunity to
burn the
animal, it severs the bim. So the the
sharpness of the knife takes out the
animal before the libon before the heat
of the knife does and as a result it's a
this is not something you have to worry
about. Now just as a segue before the
next line of gar
understands that the reason this is true
is because how do you shack the animal?
You're shacking it with the sharp part
of the knife. visualize it or maybe
don't try to visualize it too much but
think of a very very dangerous messer.
It's very very sharp and that sharpness
goes quickly through the simon. It takes
it out. The sharpness the spits of the
knife is very very small. Because it's
very small, it doesn't have the ability
to contain so much heat. As a result,
there's an idea of
the however is about to argue that the
sides the flat portion of the knife on
both sides that's much wider. As a
result, you would think that has the
ability to absorb heat. And if that's
the case, even if it's true,
but maybe the heat that's on the side of
the knife is going to be mashia on the
animal or be it after the and that in it
of itself should be a problem. Now, what
would be the problem? Let's speak it
out.
Even though it's true the
is what makes first impact as it relates
to the tusum of the animal but [snorts]
it takes a little bit of time for it to
happen being that the sides of the knife
are going to touch the two simum during
that period of time. Meaning from when
the starts until the finishes the sides
of the knife are going to go and going
to singe the animal. And if they singe
the animal even if you want to deem it
that ultimately the animal died because
of the but at the same time when it
singes the two sim it creates some uh
wound a whole rash he says in the sim
and based on a traus we know that if
there's a neck of even a ku in the kha
that would render it and make it into a
tra thus the gammor as we'll see inside
in a second is questioning that even if
you want to tell
That's probably based on the fact how
much heat do you actually have in the
but you have heat on the side of the
knife and the heat on the side of the
knife should be and at the very least we
should say maybe it's not killing it the
is what's killing it so I can say no for
sure there was a mita that took place
but at the very least it should render
it a tra because it did something to it
before the gar of the and in of itself
is an issue let's see inside now it
could start in don't you have the sides
of the knife and the sides of the knife
are much wider. As a result, there's
more heat there and as a result it's
going to be
and if that's the case
at the very least it's going to do a
little bit of something because there's
going to be a little bit of a hole and
therefore there should be an issue of
it. But the says this is not an issue.
You know why? Because
It's based on a mitz. The mitsus is that
as soon as the knife, the pointy part of
the knife goes through the what happens
is the and the split and the two sides
they separate from themselves enough
that the sides of the knife are not
going to be able to touch them. So being
that is because how much heat is there
really on the and the minute the happens
at that point there's
so the sides don't have the ability to
go ahead and do anything. So the
happened it never became a hence
and again it's based on two number one.
Number two,
in the event that somebody took a spit
and he made it very very hot and he hit
himself or he hit somebody with it and
then that person developed.
Does that sass now become subject to the
laws of
or does it now get judged based on the
laws of as it relates to a mikvah? So
what does this mean? Well, we have to
take a step back. It requires a little
bit of an introduction. So really the
next 10 or so lines is where the laws of
meet.
So the other day we had where meets now
we have where the laws of
meet the laws of the common denominator
between the two is where two very
difficult sug
but regardless this is the we need so we
know there's a concept called saras is
loosely translated some discoloration
of the skin now we know not all niggoy
and not all sarases were created it
equally. What we need for our is that
there's a type of that comes
a mah is a burn working backwards.
What's so usually when you think of you
think of you think of one of the 10. If
you take a look at Rashi, Rashi says
of a dry year
is actually similar to
is even going to question,
but it's also something that is related
to some heat. The English translation is
it's some form of an inflammation. But
here's the point. The point is that if
somebody has a burn, as a result of the
burn, his skin can be discolored, right?
If somebody is hit and as a result
there's uh some inflammation, right?
Something's brewing underneath the skin.
Well, that can cause now that the skin
is going to have some sort of
discoloration. When you go through the
and the you see that there's some unique
status as it relates to the laws of uh
that came as a result of a and there's
laws as it relates to that comes a
mikvah not to give the whole away but
the is going to bring a that's going to
say what is the between a and a again
we're translating it one is a burn other
is an inflammation I In both cases
sounds like you have to see a doctor,
right? But what exactly is the So the
Gar is going to say a is when somebody
was physically burnt. So if somebody was
physically burnt, it came through fire
or told us that's when it's considered a
mikvah. Uh
is where somebody was hit and there is
some sort of heat. Hence the word
says but at the same time it wasn't a
burn. It didn't come all day. It didn't
come all day fire. The bottom line is
these are the two that we need to be
familiar with. Now, it's interesting if
you go through the when the outlines
what the is of what the is of the
identical theor is going to bring up the
is going to a little bit. What would be
the difference? But again with that
little bit of an introduction
what would be a flee somebody took a
spit and he made it very very hot and
then he hit somebody and then that
person went and developed
a
what's the
sass that he has right now do we view it
as or do we view it as on the one hand
it came through a a hit there was a
hikabai Being that there was a hikab and
now there's some sort of inflammation
over here. I could hear that it would be
considered. But then again, how was he
hit? He was hit with a a spit that was
very very hot. It was so being that it
was lieut. So maybe over here we should
view this tarass as actually being a
taras of mikvah. Right. Just say this a
little bit better. If somebody would be
lieut and then somebody would touch it
and he would develop. It's posh. That
would be mikvah. If somebody would take
a foot, he wouldn't be malabinated and
he would hit somebody. It's posh. it
would be over here. He did both. It was.
So do I look at it as because it was a
or do I look at it as because it was a
says
what really is the
meaning why is it
because if you look in the you'll see
that the laws of and the laws of as it
relates to as we mentioned earlier are
identical. If that's the case, what is
the soar now is going to have a little
bit of an and it's all building up to
try to explain and demonstrate what
says.
So most
if somebody had and he went to the cen
and the kayen said this is something
that requires quarantine. This is
something that you know we need to keep
an eye on. So what they would do is they
would lock the person up for a week and
then if nothing happened after a week
they would lock him up for a second week
and however are unique that both of them
are
that only one week not two weeks.
Additionally,
when we want to determine whether or not
this person developed
this that we look out for, number one is
did it develop a white hair? Number two,
did it spread as opposed to other that
have different?
Well, if that's the case, the one and
the same. Why they two par in the we
have the parish of the parish of we
could have lumped them all together.
Says the price of coming to teach us
that the two are not going to bear. What
does that mean? There's a certain shear
that a nega has to have in order for it
to be mama. The shear is a gris. In the
event that somebody would have a half a
gris of and a half a gris of it wouldn't
bear. And that's why the terra went
ahead was even though the of each one of
them is identical but at the same time
there is between because if somebody has
a gris of a half a gris of each he's not
going to be looked at another
what is the technical definition between
yeah we spoke this whole already look if
somebody was hit with wood with stone
rashi says he's a boiling hot or the
of
or somebody who's had poured on or
anything that has some form of heat but
the heat didn't come from fire. What's
that coming to be? What's that last
line? You already mentioned a bunch of
things. So what else is included in
if somebody mines lead? As soon as the
lead comes out of the mine at that point
it's hot either way. All these things
are considered because all these things
can cause damage. All these things even
have heat but the heat is not fire. It's
not
what's an example of
in the event that somebody was burned
through coals.
If somebody was burnt through which is
lime that's burning but say has a
different type of wine or anything else
that comes from
like water that was heated on
a stove that had fire
this is going to be. So again we have a
couple things that we know now. Number
one the laws of the laws of are
identical. What's the negative to the G?
Another thing we know, we know what a is
and we know what a is. One comes, the
other one doesn't come. We need one more
bryer before we can understand the
rented another
as it relates to
someone that has
and
then
meaning what would be if somebody had a
and a so something happened to him that
developed the two number one he has the
number two he has the right so he has
The two things do we look at it now as
or do we look at it now as the answer is
we look at how it developed what came
first if first it was and then it
developed into
if first it was then
we always go
whatever came second that's always what
we're going to look at with this
introduction with this introduction says
the let me explain to you what
What's the
a person had of that's what he has right
now. So right now he has a of
what type of
and then he went he wasab
didn't do it to himself. Somebody did it
to him and he was now hit the
and now all of a sudden another
[clears throat]
developed. The question is does that
other grace have the ability to bear
with the grace of to say that we have a
full grace of hence the person's going
to be or do we look at the other as
being a mik and it's not going to be now
what's it toian it's when this person
was hit with this boiling hot spit what
came first did the come first that would
mean the came second so you have two
half a grises of it's going to bear or
did the come first In which case the
came second. So we go came second. You
have a this. That's all part of the it's
not going to be says
do we say the first came the first came
the hit which created the inflammation
which created the and then what came
afterwards the
so the he the came second knocked out
the knocked out the
if that's the [laughter] case you have a
secret of that you had before and now
what we just pin on the other
or do we say first the he came
and then afterwards came and that
knocked out the he well if that's the
case first came the then came the so
what second is the so I have now another
half a well
so I had the first of and the second
and if that's the case it should be able
to be m this was a long winded question
very much a digression from the
beginning of
but as we can tell if we're holding very
much related to the very first of the
right again what was the
ready
what's the
in a situation
What comes first? Is the boy the comes
first or is it the it's the it's the
comes first? There's a schmice that's
going to be Mashia and there's a burn
that's going to be Mashia and the but
the question is scientifically speaking
which one comes first do we say it's the
hit hence it's the or do we say it's the
burn hence it's the
in the event that a person had a grace
because whatever came first you actually
don't because you always go
what's the obvious again speaking this
at all
is this was
right what is saying in the name of
what was it based on
now he was discussing and this is
discussing the laws of but isn't the
underlying principle the same where
somebody goes ahead he shacks with a
mess aith that's burning hot and now the
question is what was mash on the was it
the or was it the fact that the second
was it was the
was it the or was it the and what did
the name of he said
so if as it relates to
that means what comes first first the
comes so you would think in our case
what comes first first The comes which
is the
then comes the libon which is the which
means the second which means an
was of it can't bear and this person is
actually going to be
touched.
You see clearly comes first.
Chinese. Over there, it's different.
Over there, it's over there. It wasn't
just hit with a baseball bat. It was
something very very sharp.
When we're dealing with something very
very that's when you have this. But if
somebody would be hit and the thing is
hot, this is the way it would be. It's a
good but at the same time it's a failed
attempt.
I can bring you a from a that discusses
the laws of so this is not
this is something that's literally on
point.
Oh wow. Pretty mafurish.
I don't know. What do you see from here?
Must come first, right? Because whatever
second that's
came first. Bottom line is it's
believe it or not there's no because you
could always say maybe the thing that
the person was hit with was something
that was very very pointy
which is the same as which means that
would apply equally here. The bottom
line is there's no 100% to say that
we're dealing with a situation that
wasn't and as a result as a result is
not necessarily a riot mas by the way
means pointy and if you're not natural
look at rashi rashi says point but the
bottom line is this is what mas means by
the way another interesting rashi libane
first rashy on the means that it was
very very hot right so if you look at
the top rashy
when something is very hot refer to it
as white hat,
but if you speak to the right,
they call it red hot. So, we're used to
thinking of red hot, but in the it's
always not red hot, it's actually white
hot. And that's why you always use the
word libon when you're describing
something that's very very hot. Before
we go Ver and we turn our attention to
the component of today's there's
right here on
says quote
said I heard from my it was during a he
said
this knew
Right. this whole thesis of
based on two like we said number one
number two you don't have to worry about
because
during the you know knew this
because the says in the first
that once proving sudas together and in
the middle of the suda come
raba got up And
the said
could be didn't know this for sure that
was on the table during
how exactly he was slaughtered.
He was and this is what said and
everybody laughed was during the he says
became
he wasn't a he was and as a result he
knew exactly how this played out he knew
it was
and that
this is what I heard from
this line is from the most epic lines In
all of this,
he says, even though the said this, he
was saying it to make
it was what we call
I believe
that these words came out of the mouth
of that holy person.
It can't be that it's a
it has to be. It has to be that there's
some ms to it because if my said these
words even though he said it when he was
a
and even though he said it and he said
it during but if there was a of
that myi exerted it didn't go to it
couldn't have gone for ways the reason
this line is so epic you see the
had for his which he also had for his
but the bottom line is
Even though said this,
it's impossible. It's inevitable. There
has to be some over here. I'm going to
tell you that I believe there is some
after.
So there was a big problem, right? We
just lost. So the says then
it's to me if there was a way for
to have lived
and not to have to come on to one of the
not to have to come on to that would
have been a much better option what are
you supposed to do come
and being that he shacked him there was
really no way out if it's not so because
in the very end Vis is this is an old uh
aunas of that discusses what would be if
an aid or two aiden would come and they
would say that you know we saw pony we
didn't see him dead but we saw somebody
take a knife and he literally whacked
him he was muyad he was literally
bleeding out and he had this severe
severe wound and it's a shis
between a Mishna and so whether or not
The Gmorra said
that the Bryer that says
that just because somebody's auya
doesn't necessarily mean that this
person is going to die, it's possible
for him to make it out alive is really
not at odds with the other that says,
"Yeah, the one that says a person could
make it out when he's
talking about where he
where the sack was very very hot and the
reason where the sack is hot it's
different is because as the sack goes
and as the sacken gets the person it
cauterizes the wound and as a result
this person is able to make it out of
life so in the event that the person was
through a regular sakin okay
if however this person was killed bakin
that was milu beness it was white hot in
a situation like that and there's no
after the is making big and rabb HAS NO
REASON TO MAKE A mis
there's two different types of knives
there's a mus where somebody was
slaughtered with a regular knife in a
situation like that he has no way to
make it out alive if however it was
over it's not going to be an issue so
said knew that he was killed by rabbu
was killed by rab didn't understand why
dish did not just make it that he should
be able to live now you're going to tell
me because dish the fell It was his
time. It's not true. You see, it was he
came back alive. And if there would have
been a way for him to live, he should
have lived now. Okay. How's he supposed
to live? He was just uh slaughtered.
What do you mean? To the extent that the
knife was that was
to the extent that the knife was if it
was a boiling knife said
everybody holds the personal. So as he
was slaughtered he should have been
cauterized and like this he would have
made it out alive and there wouldn't
have been a problem. So said you know
what must be it must be because if
somebody the of a person is there must
be two things that happen [laughter]
number one
so before any heat is able to even go
onto the person the spits of the knife
goes ahead and its
nov
and as a result it's not going to be a
problem. SO
WHEN you go ahead and do a
talking about where the person didn't
have a it wasn't
it wasn't the end of it was some other A
AND BY THE other in the words of
over there the is you don't have this of
is by the and by the
now how did rabbit kill.
See, when you're not learning
is just a synonym of how you kill
somebody. But when you're learning and
when you're learning and you know that
has A MEANING AND BY THE way some
doesn't quote this but that we mentioned
says the it's the
if it was the must be the reason there
was no way for this to work out
when he said knew it on his own. He knew
it on his own. It was based on this. I
just had one horror. This is
again
the line in the is more than because
let's be honest is a little harder. It's
a a little less sh
but but there's just one I had again
can't ask on but but [snorts] the only
is it's
right I mean it just jumps off the page
said it in the name of so it sounds like
where is saying he had and by the way is
a he was from as well but this even
feels like one of the where it's not
even so much
it's even more the doctor That's what it
sounds like. We're dealing with the
technicalities of the and you know
again
but the bottom line is this is a piece
from the right here.
And on that note we now turn our
attention to
the next part of today's. So the
introduction to next part of the daf
really is like learn the end of the maka
and come back but obviously we're not
going to do that. So we're familiar with
the basic concept of bas and plus right.
So in the event somebody has a
where [snorts] two things are missed
falls into a a pod of so there's a whole
of how we go about determining what the
status of this taru is.
Additionally, the idea of ble and plus
is not only true when you have two foods
that come together, but it's true even
as it relates to kale as well. So if
somebody would cook diri in a flesh pot,
you have to worry about the ble and
plus. The reason is because we assume
being that the pot is fleshik they're
ble of pot in the and when you
subjecting out the heat by cooking
inside of it. So the belie are going to
come out of the get nisar together with
the dar and as a result you're going to
have yourself a little bit of a tarov.
Another thing we know if we've ever,
pardon the pun, had a cup of coffee with
the suga of Taru is that a knife has a
very unique place within the suga of
Taru. And the reason is because there's
an idea called Sakina and being that
when somebody cuts with a knife, he uses
a lot of pressure, uses a lot of force.
So that allows bleis and plates to
happen in a way where ordinary contact
with ka maybe wouldn't be able to happen
either way with that introduction
said the name
of so what does this mean says
we're dealing with a knife that was used
for the carbon of literally used
says such a knife is also
like the says
and we learn from there.
So we're dealing with
not of a we're going to deal with that.
That's why we're making a big deal about
this right now. We're dealing with a
literally a that was used for the issue
with it from a perspective right now.
There are other issues as we'll see but
right now is because it's
no
stating that wow this is a if you want
to go ahead and you're allowed however
but if you want to hack you want to
carve a steak with it that's something
you're not allowed to do you're allowed
to shack with it because when you shack
an animal you be rashi says when you
have a live animal there's a lot of
things you could do with it. You can
breed the animal, you can work with the
animal, or you could save it for dinner
at some point. Once you shack it,
there's only one thing you could do with
it. You could eat it. So when you
devalue it, you I'm not having enough
from something that I'm not allowed to
have enough from. I'm being as a result,
however,
and the reason is because once you
already have a piece of meat now to chop
the meat up, that's right, the only way
you're going to be able to eat it.
That's a so being that now already
you're being that's something that's
going to be so as it relates to
because that's
said that if you understand what
just told you then you'll know
there are times that it'll be user to
meaning even though we said but but
that's only when you're meal well what
would be if somebody would in a case
where he's misaken What would be the
situation
in the event that this animal's about to
die then when you sh the reason is cuz a
it's dying anyways b if you don't shack
it before it dies and being available
you're not going to be able to eat it so
then you're being
there's also a time where it's going to
be to be when is that
if somebody has like a really nice piece
of meat a piece of meat that you can
give somebody as a gift something that
looks when you bring it out and you put
it on your shabas table if you go ahead
and you cut that and you just mess it
>> [laughter]
>> then you're actually being. So said
it's not a versus just carving up meat.
Are you being usually
when you're being
you're being but it's possible it could
be in the reverse and if that would be
the case
that typically I don't understand this
whole over here. How in the world are
you allowed to use
sometimes
as if to say the only thing you need to
worry about when you have a
is
the only
51b nothing else matters.
Why you not worried about the fat of the
Iser? Why you not worried about the tar
of
in
this is a very very loaded question.
Right? And if you look in the and
lot of different uh gangs that you can
go with this, but for our purposes,
[snorts]
this sack was a sakin that was used by
the
des literally in their temples for the
des. Is there a chance this is a kosher
knife? There's no chance in the world.
Number one, we have to assume it's not a
kosher knife because they probably use
it to carve up their feasts and their
dinners. So that in of itself should be
a problem. But even more than that, when
they actually the des
sheing just shacking the animal, that in
it of itself should create a problem.
And the reason is, as we're going to see
on is going to be a big discussion
because you would think just the knife
going through the animal and the heat
for in [snorts] that little scene would
be enough to create ble and plus. So
that the knife is ble from this animal
which by the way is
it's right there's a lot of uh things
going on over there and if that's the
case this sakin should be a very
problematic sakin and if you're going to
want to use it now for your purposes or
for you to cut that should definitely be
an issue in other words in short
is that why are we only worried about
the of having from why we not worried
about what's the
we just came up with three things.
Number one, it's you're talking they use
it to carve flesh. Number two, the
itself probably causes the to be which
would then result in two issues. Number
one, the animals and number two, THE
ANIMALS.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, you certainly
can't be.
So
maybe what was going on over here when
said
he meant a never actually used for it
was just set aside to be used for
it was set aside but it was never used.
Being that it was never used, said
there's no shamness of this. So the only
sh is it was satisfying. Maybe it has a
thin and that's what we're saying.
That's only going to be an issue if
you're actually having enough. If you're
not having enough
says is that a problem
meaning the knife is just something that
services
and is not. So who's this?
So quotes that same
whether it was
as it relates to itself in the event
that you have
we nobody ever worshiped it but it was
set aside for that do we treat or not
but in that it's the is only for the but
everybody agrees it's not a problem so
can't say it's talking about because
we're dealing with and
that's not that's not going to be an
issue because comes up with two
different mean why and
they're all humbling over here whether
or not you could be from this you can't
be from the what happened to the shamun
of this is saying if you want you can
say the paks it's talking about where
this sakin wasn't used to sha animals it
was used to chop wood who said it was
used to sh animals and that's what we
assume the sake was used for right
you're learning so you're certainly
going to think that but maybe it was
actually used to chop wood if that's the
case you have a problem of
but at the same time you don't have a
problem of
you could say no it was used for flesh
and it was used however maybe you it
already so as it relates to the shun of
you went through the process so that's
not an issue what's the problem the
problem is
that's not something that uh you have to
worry about unless you're benefiting
from it and hence the
are you being or are you being
if somebody shacks with a knife
says
you have to go ahead and you have to
wash it. So here Rashi says what does it
mean
over here what we're referring to is the
sack of a so we're not dealing with the
was the case here it's a
so there's no
over here what is the over here is the
fact that you have a knife and the knife
is knife because it's used by so you
went ahead and you an animal with it So
the question is now what? So according
to Ra, what is that's
right? You take off a certain layer of
it and then the rest of the animal is
going to be okay. Rabbana said you don't
even have to do that. Why lose the why
lose a good piece of meat? Rather all
you need to do is wash it and if you
wash it then in of itself is going to be
fine. says at first glance it would
appear that the following is the
what's
not
the probably is is the a place of heat
or is the not a place of heat which is
why I have to do anything because we
know the only time b and plate is
transfer is if there's heat so if
there's no medium of heat then you're
not having the conversation as it
relates to ble and plates Okay, where's
the heat over here? All you did was
aita. Oh, so probably the feels like a
varma place. So if that's the case
that must be the shil holds that the
as a result you have to do something
whereas
holds it's if it's all you have to do is
now why you have to because you worry
there might be a little shamuness on the
actual knife. You just have to make sure
there was nothing there but there's no
bull in plate this and as a result in
itself is going to be okay but says I
can tell you everybody holds the base
that's we understand
the
so why is alone the treaty
being that the right now are being so
this This idea that even
sometimes can't multitask and can't do
two things right this is a theme in the
sug of in this case that are busy right
now
they don't have the ability to be so
it's true this heat but at the same time
you don't have the over here either way
the says that it's not that the is
whether the
is because I can tell you everybody body
holds it. The reason that holds is
because of
just the opposite
that says that's good, right? Because if
it's I understand why you don't have to
be
said
it's true, but we're dealing with a
knife like we mentioned in the
introduction. A knife is different
because of and it's for that reason here
it's bottom line is
and
says we have three either they're
arguing whether the is
or everybody holds it
says
it's because of
or you can say everybody holds that it's
says
and the reason would say that you have
to go And you have to be is because of
this that we're all sort of familiar
with. And that is there's something
called
one more.
What would be if somebody went with a
sakin and heck an animal that's a tra?
So the question is what now is the
status of this sake? What's the shila?
The sh do we say that being that the
sacked the so the second was from the
right this is the reverse of the
previous you had a second
so that the sak is being maflet into the
over here the sakin is not being maflit
the sak is being ble what's it being ba
from it's a kosher animal it's not it's
the animal was a afra says
one
once said that is that you have to do on
the and you have to do the with the
reason is because this is now a trade
for we assume that it was by
and the other one said no that you don't
have to do a proper hagala with all you
have to do is with
and is meat of tus you want to wash it
off but to do a proper based on ble and
plus that's not something you have to
worry about and says I'm going to tell
you what is
that even
it's
going to be okay meaning you're not
going to have to do so over here brings
a similar sh and in this case the
actually goes ahead and we'll get back
to this in a second
and let's say the person has a a worn
out says a par is a curtain to go ahead
and clean the knife with then you don't
even have to wash it with cold water as
long as you clean it off a little bit.
That in it of itself is going to be
okay.
And according to that says that you need
to clean it with hot water. Now we don't
know who it is cuz it was
but whoever that is whoever is the one
that says what's the reason
right it's obviously because you with
this
you
every single time you an animal isn't it
being so you should know every single
time you should have take the and go
ahead and do so says
Why? Because
when did the happen? When the gets hot
and when does get hot
at the end of the
at that point it's not even anymore and
as a result this is not something that
you're going to have to worry about. So
this last again we're going through
these gar way too quickly. I understand
but guilty is charged but this last of
where it was pleino it felt of like the
previous right the
now there was here it's
but at the end of the day it seems like
a very very similar Shiloh in fact the
way Rashi explains the Shiloh the ra
is whether or not the bas
is or the
if the is then when you ackn
it's similar to the first of the three
that the Gar had as it relates to
right why is this significant it's
significant because the Gar are pas
and if [snorts] this sha is a sh of
whether or not the
and we're pasking that it's
you don't have to worry about doing a
proper that means in the we're coming
out that everybody holds that now is
that
and as it relates to
well it depends if you hold that the was
the
yeah we were just it was if you hold
that the only way you can make sense of
the is if everybody holds that the
well if you know it's so again you know
for sure that in that it's you're not
going to have an issue however the third
sad said that even if you learn even if
you learn that everybody holds that they
still mock him to say that it's going to
be
that's because of
well if that's the case just because we
were
but here's that follow-up question the
question is what happened to this
mean two things number one is not and
number two there's no
so we were shil so if you look at the
say that could be yeah could be we were
just because we sh doesn't necessarily
mean there's a sh and The reason is
there's one over there the sack started
off the is it has the ble in it already
the sak is being maflid into the animal
over here you started off with a that
was kosher and the question is is it
being
and this is a huge like we were mum in
the beginning again
but this concludes the daf portion of
just to end with one rabb Right. And
this is a part two trade that we spoke
about earlier in the week. So in the
beginning of the week on Dalid we had
the to talk a little bit about Rabisa
the author of the Shim and his legendary
aid which in many ways was a mysterious
nephesh to counter a lot of dasca and a
lot of what the yidden were dealing with
in the late 19th century early 20th
century. And essentially what he did was
is he went and he wrote a a history of
the Jews [snorts] focusing on points
that the Masil were chapping with most
notably the formation of the Talm
unbeknownsted at the time today is
site and I think it's therefore to go
now and do a part two.
So one of the that we mentioned that
Isaac makes a very big deal about is
that we're accustomed to thinking that
who is the author of the it was raashi
it's based on
but said
that if you go through the process of
the formation of the from the itself and
you know which sugass
what you're going realizes that there's
another hero in the story that's going
to emerge and that is
just to quote again from the this is
page 80.
Incredible language from the authority
on this the worldleading expert and that
is that you'll see from the sis that
deal with that is
He's
not on the left side, on the right side
TOGETHER WITH RAVINO. RIGHT? You could
say Ravina is on the right side of
Raashi and Ra is on the left side. But
that's why we have to be
HE'S TOGETHER WITH RAVINA ON THE RIGHT
TWO RIGHT HANDS. One is Rava and the
other one is and we said that obviously
this sheds an enormous amount of insight
in terms of first of all who was
[snorts]
additionally all the different times in
where you're going to see but
specifically
this is not just another conversation
between two but these are two and in
real time we're being given access to a
process that happened more than 1500
years ago of how exactly the
created this incredibly epic work that
we know as the bath. So again I don't
think in our we'll ever look at
the same as well and we'll see comes up
so many times we said to 100 times
but the truth is comes up even more
times than that you know why if you look
in the safer and I saw this in the as
well for they both say that every single
time you have in
is
when was the last time we had in the
last that we just learned the said
this is not rehearsed
it was
so we had we just learned he was
mentioned as but it's and we have a is
between and now I'm going to tell you
something interesting you
It's you don't know who said what. See,
what do you usually do when you have a
you don't know who said what. So, it's
posh. You go you pull out that very thin
safer which is
it's called and you figure out who said
what. BUT FOR THIS THAT'S really not
what you're supposed to do. Crady has a
lot of on this. But over here it's a
it's a
incredible says like this
three that are related but not for now
and then the says as an aside
parenthetically [laughter]
throughout the entire mean throughout
says any single time you find
And you don't KNOW WHO SAID WHAT YOU
HAVE TO LOOK IN THE SHAME. I'll tell you
who said what. Is always the one that's
the is the so figure out who's the who's
the you know who's going said what
and I'll even tell you what is. We
always pass in like the
which again if you ra is the so we
always pass like with the exception of
the affforementioned three
over there. this a little.
So we always passing like the m right
that's the bottom line in every single
case with the exception of three the
make is raking like raina and those
three cases rabaka is the make WE'RE
PASSING LIKE BUT THIS WAS AN in that
happened so often where there was a I
know rabbaka said one thing I know ra
another thing I don't know who said what
and as a result we had to come on to by
the way our conformed with that Right.
And by the way, who's the one now that
said we know it's who's the one that
said is always the is the with the
exception of those three.
But here's the bottom line. You learned
this. Okay. So there must have been
confusion.
Why would people have confused?
I have no idea. I don't know. This is
not my opinion. Let me look up the sh
that would have been a good move cuz if
you look [laughter] up the he doesn't
say THIS BUT IT'S POSIT this is what's
going on OVER HERE THEY'RE BOTH STANDING
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF SO IS IT THIS RIGHT
HAND MANASH was it that right again
and he is literally embedded together
WITH
the ros one and the same hence you had
this confusion of
again it just adds so much color and so
much light to this ra and
I think it's mish po but there's an
obvious question then that needs to be
asked and that is that if
is
literally together with ra so why is it
raashi
why is ra
forgotten why is the legacy of raina as
being the of Raashni and somehow somehow
Raa until this week at least amongst our
friends was completely forgotten. It
feels like Ravina must have contributed
something that
didn't because if they're literally sha
then it's just not fair. Why is it ra
and why is it not why is it not a
so the truth is I'll tell you something
very interesting when we say the raashi
were the ones that wrote the tal so
we're accustomed to thinking there's
raashi raashi had raashi
talked throughout shas by the way just
if you know the background raashi was
older than ravina but ra was a to raashi
and the gar says in kiml that Rava was a
raashi in the but the bottom line is
that it's raashi who lived together the
contemporaries and they worked on the
and this is the ravash
right of course that's the way it is
it's actually not so posit
in his famous
he talks about and how it went about and
says something that at face value is
maldic Rashir says Ravashi is the one
that wrote the Talmud. However, even
after Ravashi passed away the Gmorra was
still being written and it didn't
complete 100% in the times raashi it
went v and he goes and he he traces what
went afterwards. I'll just read a few
excerpts
after
took over for
that was
of
after him came. After him came.
And then after that
who
says
you want to know who the ra
is?
IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT RA. IT'S NOT THE
RAVEN THAT'S talking to raashi. This ra
is older than ravashi. And if you do the
math, he passes away almost 100 years
after Raashi. So obviously he's a
completely different person, a bizook
that when we say Rava, RAVASHI WAS WE'RE
NOT EVEN discussing two contemporaries.
It's fascinating that Ravina who was
together with Ravashi is not the Ravina
that it's a different Ravino and he was
also the Talmet because there was a
whole new edition, right? The second
edition, Madura, whatever. And he was
the one that put out the new one with
the fancy glossy everything. AND HE GETS
CREDIT. HE GOES down in history as being
together. To appreciate this a little
bit better, we have to know not all
ravenas in chassa the same person. Tyus
says there were two ravenas. And if you
go through these sugis of sus and what
emerges is there were either three or
four ravenas. There were many ravenas.
Not all the ravenas of the same person.
You have ravenas being one of the early.
Then you have the raven with ravashi.
Here's a raven that lived years after
raashi. But the bottom line is this ra
of the pave is the raashi
that ra is part of when we say was the
one that was the we don't just mean
raashi RAASHI IS THE CHIEF EDITOR BUT
IT'S RAASHI AND HIS team it's raashi and
his staff it's raashi and his yeah is ra
oh by the way now we know is also why
did ra not get the shout That
if that
was getting it would have maybe SAID
[laughter]
if you know this
so you know the
it doesn't even start. Now the reason
this is not such a satisfactory answer
is because this
mahalak of in who ra was is very very
and if you look at the ra and
ra says clearly that the raashi that was
the ra who was together with raashi in
fact the ra says that after raashi was
marashi took over and he was in the so
again it happened in steps for sure but
it's not some later ra it's this raina
and if that's the
If it's as inash, why Ravina? Why not?
So maybe we could just say one and we're
going to end with this and that is we
once
talked about the unsung hero of the
Mishna and that was
that same
that says
it says the line right before that
says that and together they wrote the
now everybody knows who wrote the Mishna
say how in the world was so forgotten
It's unbelievable. BUT WHAT DID HE DO? I
mean, we know Rebi did.
I mean, everyone knows this. So, what
exactly was Raosi's role that he somehow
becomes
the the silent partner literally of Rab
Yehuda Hanosi.
So, we mentioned from Ru Margolus in his
Margolus,
he says something brilliant. He says
that he believes
he lived in but is very mic and he says
that he wrote the Mishna he was mabit
all the and he was mabit all the
different and theis because he wanted to
have the entirety of in front of him and
then once he had that he went and he did
his job
pun INTENDED AND THEN HE went and he
came out with the finished product that
we know today as the Mishna. Now living
in Israel really only had access to half
of the messiah because we know that was
really divided into two groups. There
were the yidden that were living in
Israel and the the yidden that were
living above. How did he get access to
the yen that were living in bubble says
margus lustafina? It could be he got
that through habi. And by the way that's
why it's from he picked it's BECAUSE HE
WAS THE BAVI. HE WAS A BABYLONIAN and he
needed a point person in Bavl to be able
to assist him with this because remember
half the yidd here and half the yidd are
there so to speak and as a result he
needed somebody in to be able to assist
him and that's the legacy of
this project he's the CEO of the
Babylonian chapter of this and as a
result he goes down in history as
in that same piece of rab from it's
that the reason raashi had rammed
is because everybody knows that lived in
lived in you know where was
he was
that's where he came probably from the
but he was [laughter]
not going there now but he was
and he too assisted in the same way
assisted rebi And ultimately he was the
one that was he was the one that brought
all the different raashi. So like this
raashi had access to everything that he
had. You know in this piece says
something brilliant. He says that we
know whenever between the and the shi we
pass in like the why you passing like
the and
you know the
so how's it possible is always like so
how could it be that we pass like the
over the
was supposed to like the
or why should it be the over the zoolas
I think it's because when the
was [snorts] composed they had the from
and they had the from it was that he
went ahead and he had a side person he
had ra working for him who brought all
the
being that you had the
all the was included and therefore it
was the
all the came from and that's the that
Talmed probably had over the shami. The
truth is ra doesn't say this. There's a
riff. The riff happens to me is it's
tucked away from all places. The riff
addresses this shil. Why do we always
pass in like over and the riff says?
Because the babi was written after the
shami. It was over 100 years later. And
because it was later, we know when it
comes to you always go bust of the
basra. What's the why do you always go
bust of the basra? You go bust of the
basra because you assume whatever was
later already took everything prior into
account. That's what's going on here.
The Talmedi had access to the durami.
The durami never had and where did the
babi get access to the duri
maros is his it came from ravino ra is
from by the way just to bring out the
point a little bit better. There's a a
chuva from the that we've mentioned many
times over the years. It's in simal
where he goes through his so it's not a
safer it's only a chuva but it's a safer
in the world of
sad and one of the great said that
whenever there's a ravash we pass like
raashi
yes he says why came from raashi came
from and
it's for that reason we pass like raino
ra is an raashi was a babylonian raashi
needed someone from Israel just like
that needed somebody from Budsi had
and Raachi had Ravit Israeli that's the
flip side but if that's the case maybe
that's the maybe that's the why Ravina
gets the disproportionate shout out why
is he the one that's on the pedestal the
end of the day it's ra and it's
tasty it should be ra more than the
terret is in terms of
versus
I guess we could do a statistical
analysis but at the end of the day
I did the analysis for you. I'm telling
you it's no whatsoever. But there was
one element that Rava brought to the
table didn't that element was he was the
one that was mikabit the from the land
of which was not a because that's the
reason we passing like over and JUST
LIKE YOU SEE THAT'S WHAT GAVE
THE TO GO DOWN asen
well that would have given ra to go down
that would have given raz to go down as
raashi and ra
But just to end end and that is the says
in
it's also
the discusses over there all the people
that were
and the says.
So who the three that were
and the
says why was it Mosha
and Raashi? He said because Rabenu gave
us the Rabudsi gave us the Mishna and
Ravashi gave us the Talmud. He gave us
the Gar. And in order for someone to be
able to embark on such a project, it
obviously he needed Tyra, but he also
needed Gdullah cuz he had to be mapped.
He had to be malaka. He had to bring
things from all over the world. The
avoid of writing the Mishna required.
That's why
Rebi was someone that needed it. And
then again, it wasn't something that had
to happen until the Talmud was going to
be written. And who wrote the Talmud
Raashi? And that's why
again
you know who said this meash
the second half of this memory
had previously said
was a contemporary raashi
DA WHO WAS PART AND PARCEL OF THIS AVOID
of the cedarasa
says I had a seat at the table. I had a
view of raashi from HIS LEFT. I WAS I
WAS LOOKING IN FROM THAT ANGLE and I saw
that what had also had. I saw the
I saw it play itself out like the said
and see the this is another example of
where you can't look at the same way
again. and
giving us this insight. He is the
Matsino
of Abdullah the Mak.