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Today's DA is
and we have three lines from the top of
so yesterday we began the fifth peri
and the per really hinges on one in
the Torah says that you're not allowed a
an animal and its offspring on the same
day. We saw
and when the Torah says the espano
that's clear that Benoi means either the
animal's male offspring or its female
offspring. The question is what does oy
mean? Does mean the mother or does what
it usually would mean mean even the
father says
and it's so it doesn't matter if you the
father or the mother either one if you
together with its child
says
the board of where the discussed this
either way today's d is going to get
into the reason behind the
at first glance based on the that the
bottom of it would seem to be a question
of how you
stating that the is going to say that
the underlying principle of this
is actually something very fundamental
it's very it relates to other sugas and
the garra is going to immediately
digress to one of those other sugas that
it relates to and that is the suga of
just a little bit of which will make the
dashem flow a little bit more smoothly
and that is the is going to suggest that
whether or not should relate to a father
and its offspring in addition to a
mother and its offspring really depends
on
so we had a sneak preview of this is
and really The is that we know that a
human being has he has he has a father
and a mother. Thus he has from two
sides. In fact, the that a person has is
more dominant than the he has says
it relates to
it means it relates to
as it relates to the laws of of to the
laws of but a person being that he has a
father and a mother has he has he has an
animal also has a father and a mother
stating that there's a that says
that when it comes to the quote unquote
of the animal, we don't take his father
or her father into consideration. All we
look at is the animal's mother. What the
father is or isn't is completely
irrelevant as it relates to the status
of the child. Thus,
of course, he's a father, but we don't
care as it relates to the father has
absolutely no bearing.
says, "No, an animal has a father and a
mother, just like a human being has a
father and a mother." And just like when
it comes to a human being, you have to
be for the mother. You also have to be
when it comes to an animal
says the that if you're going to tell me
that relates even to a father it implies
it forces you to accept the fact that
when it comes to
therefore says that holds
it's because he is
so he says that when it comes to an
animal we look it is of having a mother
and it as
well. It has a father. So if the Torah
says it makes sense, it means the mother
and its offspring. It means the father
and its offspring.
I mean that
is for that reason that
that's
as relates to the of the day and that is
said stating that the Gmorra is going to
digress and the Gmorra is going to
relate this of which we see now is not a
local but it's more of a regional it's
more of a global it's of
so what's really there's many types of
theory says in
the says you have to observe my
So the says and then the Torah describes
different forms of
you're not allowed to mate two animals
that are of a different species.
You're not allowed to take seeds of two
different types of fruit, for example,
and plant them together. And finally
you're not let that is made up of
shness. Incidentally, Rashi says that
being that the preface the words,
you see from here that the
like we spoke about yesterday
that falls under the purview of of over
here argues says it's true that we find
that is considered but you only find it
with one type of hazal say it's
And what is that?
It says it's true you find mentioned as
a but only a certain type of you only
find it regards to which is but as it
relates to
that's not that has a what's the says
and he says but either way so the says
you're not going to take two animals and
breed them question that theor is going
to discuss now What happens if you have
two animals that were already of a mixed
breed? For example, and this is really
the topic of the dove, a mule. A mule we
know is a hybrid. It is the offspring of
a donkey and a horse. Now, to be more
accurate, a mule has a father, that's a
donkey, and a mother that's a horse. So,
if you take a male horse, a stallion,
and you breed it together with a sorry,
a male donkey, and you breed it with a
female horse, the offspring is going to
be a mule. If you do it in the reverse,
if you take a male horse and you breed
it with a female donkey, the offspring
is what's known as a henny. A hinny and
a muan, not the same thing. Or maybe
they are the same thing. And that's
precisely what the Gmorra is going to
talk about right now. And really, what
it's going to depend on is whether
only been a cave as well said I heard in
the name of the great
even though seems to be the seems to be
the it doesn't matter
that that
is not only by it's also by which means
that the is
that we take the father of an animal
into consideration when we look at his
says
this is really
and this is a Mishna in the eighth per
says
the offspring of a horse
even if it father is a also known as a
mu
so the is that all the offspring of
horse aut
regardless of who the fathers. We'll see
more accurately in the what that means.
But if you have two animals, one's
mother is a
means the mother's the other one's
mother is a then is then going to be
okay for them to mate with each other
that we don't look at the father. And as
a result, all we look at is the mother.
So if you have two animals, one's mother
is a horse, the other's mother is a
donkey. We don't care who the father is.
Is going to be
this is all talking said that it's
allud.
But the argue and they say
that all mules are the same. Meaning
anytime you have an animal that comes
from a horse and a donkey, it doesn't
matter if it's a mule or a henny.
Meaning it doesn't matter if the
father's a donkey and the mother's a
horse and mother's a mule or if the
father's a horse and the mother's a
donkey a henn it's it's irrelevant. It's
always going to be considered the same
men and they're always going to be says
the
who is the
said
who holds we take the father into
consideration if
says that the m and the h are the same
thing. Why?
They're all the same. You see, if
so, the mule has one parent that's a
donkey and the other parent that's a
horse. If you're the it is the same
thing. It has one parent like this, one
parent like that. At the end of the day,
they both have genes coming from a a
horse and a donkey. Okay? In one case,
it's a male and a female. In the other
case, it's in the reverse order. We're
going to see in the Gar. They're not the
same. A mule and a hinny are very
different. But I mean they're similar
but they're different
that allow you to differentiate between
the mule and the hinny but at the end of
the day from a
perspective mean that they both come
from a horse and a donkey at the end of
the day is going to be their but that's
only you see if you're not then we don't
care about the father. All we care about
is the mother. So at the end of the day
the mule's mother is a horse. the Hinn's
mother is a donkey. They're not the same
thing. They're from a different men and
as a result, it's not going to be okay.
So what's the
that's the punch line
said
that?
If that's the case, what does it mean?
It means
also said that the argue with the isol
and the whole that a mule and a hine if
you make them together you're not there
or mules meaning mules and hinnies are
considered the same and as a result
because they both come from a horse and
a donkey which means
if said that
he prayed this saying presumably follows
those and those are what do you mean
this is this is because the underlying
principle is the same. It boils down to
so it makes sense that would pass like
of
said that the
usually follows the are of the opinion
that
in
either way so we have over here
and that's going to take us on to
today's and that is a mule and a again a
mule is the hybrid it's the mixed
offspring of a male donkey and a female
horse. A hini is the reverse. It's this
mixed breed that has a father that's a
horse and a mother that's a donkey. If
you mate them together or if they work
together in a field, are you the
according to Rhuda, we only look at the
mother. So as a result there would be an
isol according to the
and as a result
says there's not going to be says
who said that no all you do is you look
at the mother and being that one has a
mother a fed and the other's mother is
an isel as a result you can have an isol
did rahuda say that with self-confidence
meaning he was 100% sure that
or maybe he wasn't 100% sure he was only
and therefore being that he didn't know
he wasn't allowed he had no way to be m
he said I don't know maybe
but maybe and on the side of that two
different meaning and as a result you're
going to run into an issue
the preo Is it okay to make for example
a mule with a horse? So you have a male
mule with its mother meaning or not its
mother literally but with a horse. Is
that going to be considered or is not
going to be considered? Yeah. If you're
going to tell me it's
going to be because at the end of the
day they're both horses. What do you
mean they're both horses? One is a mule.
You're right. But so when you look at a
mule, you don't look at the fact that
its father is a donkey because there's
no
when you're talking about an animal. All
you see is a horse. So a horse on a
horse is going to be
if however wasn't really sure and it was
only that he said
so here you'd have to be therefore is
going to be because at least you're
going to have to look at the mule as
also coming from a donkey and as a
result you're going to have a problem
says
meaning
so even though the exact act
manifestation of the isra. But if it
played itself out, he would have no
problem with it either. In other words,
a mule being that its mother is a horse.
We look at it as if it's a horse and it
can mate with a horse. Or no, he only
said and you always have to go. So he's
he doesn't allow the mule to mate with
the henn. But at the same time, he's
also he also doesn't allow the mule to
mate with the horse.
said that any offspring of a horse even
if the fathers are always what did he
mean when he said all offspring of a
horse is
didn't he mean to say two mules a male
mule and a female mule are allowed to
mate
do you need
to tell me that it's posit what's the
same exact thing
is probably coming to
Even if one of them comes as a source,
meaning it's a source from both sides
and the other one is only a source from
one side, it doesn't matter. At the end
of the day, it's said that's probably
the kadesh. So, isn't it? It's not. But
if you want to be telling me some nas,
if you want him to be telling me someh
some news, then this is probably what
he's coming to tell me. delay. So you
see that he said it even that it's okay
for a mule to mate with a horse. Says
like
it could be really when said that
he meant to say it's the exact same
thing. He meant to say a mule and a
mule. That's what he was referring to.
You ask me a question. What's the
thought?
At the end of the day, a mule is a
partial donkey and it's a partial horse
if you want to break it down. And as a
result, you would think that being that
you never allow a mate, a horse and a
donkey. So therefore there should be
user as well because even though they
both have a sadam and sus but maybe the
of this animal is going to make with the
s of that animal and vice versa. Oh,
excellent. And as a result, it should be
a problem. That's the it's not going to
be a problem. Asks a second is on the he
says, I don't even understand the kamash
wasn't sure what the is. I don't even
understand the punchline. I don't
understand the kamash. Why? Because we
know there's a
how do you become a you're not born that
way. So you become a somebody's a
full-fledged. He was owned by two
partners. One of the partners freed him.
So now he's a because one partner still
owes him. He's also because one of the
two partners freedom is that
is not allowed to get married says the
he can't marry
because he's can't marry.
Should he not get married?
The cash is why
marry
they're in the same exact plight.
They're in the same exact predicament.
So it's perfect. It's a it's a match
made in heaven. So let them get married.
You're also
perfect. So you have but says it doesn't
work. It's
can't marry.
Why not? So the garra says because being
that each person has a sad and abdus the
abdus of this one is going to run into
problems with the sadus of the other and
vice versa and as a result each person
sad abdus and each person sad but you
don't look at it as a perfect 50/50
split oh wow the numbers work out
everything is going to be fine that each
one has it each one has it therefore
you're going to have an issue that's
that maso in B is the diametric opposite
of the mascul this right here. Here the
Gumarra says clearly that it's okay for
a mule to mate with a mule the male and
the female. Why? Each one is has it and
it sad but at the end of the day they
both are misus
the and as a result it's not going to be
a problem and over here when it comes to
it is a problem and say is a very posh
deter is very different. The difference
is a mule is a when you look at at a min
right now the kamash of the is is that I
don't see
I see a a barrier of what I see is a
mule and as a result a mule is a so if
you have a mule and another mule there's
no problem it's not going to be in his
doesn't become a
it's not something that's tied into his
DNA it's genetic. It's just his status.
At the end of the day, he's a he's a
when the Tyra says that you're not that
it's for someone to marry an it means
it's to marry even a it's to marry even
a but regardless says that and this is
the punch line as relates to our that
the point that the is saying in the very
fundamental
and meaning the kamashan is is that we
look at the mule as a we don't look at
the mule as
And we look at
we look at as a result he still has a
he's still thus he's also to get married
even to
as relates to that's not the way we look
at it and as a result it's going to be
but either way we're in the middle of a
is trying to figure out according to who
was raud said a mule and a hy are
considered kion did rahuda
say it
because
it's
all we look at as the mother. The mule's
mother is a horse. the mother is a
donkey and as a result they're two
completely different minim and therefore
he was but he didn't know for sure that
so to the extent that
would play itself out as a over there he
would be
what's the where it play itself out as a
according to Rabuda is it okay for a
mule whose mother is a horse to mate
together with a horse. Is that
considered or is it not considered? If
you're in
even then it's going to be but if it's
only that he's not over here the would
be to be to say that they're two
different meaning one is a mule one is a
horse that's says two different says
that was
you can't be not a source or now what's
a a prao in the terminology is either a
mule or a hy. So either its mother's a
horse or its mother's and what did say
this talking right this is
what did says
if you're going to tell me the rahuda
held
even a so it's m to take a pra and to m
it with the min of its mother
so why can't you be marva this animal
together with his mother. So the says,
you know, it's talking about, well, you
don't know who the mother was. But the
says, how could you say you don't know
who the mother was? The only way you
would not know who the mother is if you
don't know exactly what this animal is.
And the bis says you could mate it with
its men. Doesn't that suggest you know
what it is? If you don't know what it
is, what does it mean you can with its
men? So if you know what it is, you know
what its mother is. So why does it say
should be okay? So the says this way you
read the
right you have to change the garrison
the point is talking about you don't
know what it is that you don't know what
it is therefore it's completely it's
withus it's with and it's even why not
it's
could be it even be with its mother
because maybe even the reason it's in
this case is because we just don't know
what it Frank lived like if you don't
know why don't you just look
gave usim to know the difference between
a mule and a he said if it has a thicker
voice it means its mother is a horse
it's a mule sniff if it has a softer
voice
said if it has big ears
and has a small tail means
small ears
and a larger tail.
Either way, aren't there?
You're right. You have to make animp.
We're talking about a a mule or a hy, we
don't know. That was an couldn't make
noise. As a result, you couldn't use the
sim of its
and also it was a it didn't have a tail.
So, it didn't have a tail. There's no
way to know based on that. What's the
bottom line?
Everybody's maida that it's not okay to
mate the this hybrid offspring together
with its mother meaning a mule is asser
together with a horse a henny is asser
together with a donkey and everybody
said it everybody said it mean said it
because
so according to of course a mule is
going to be also with a horse a horse
both its parents are horses a mule one
parent is a horse. One parent is a
donkey. If it's not the same, it's not
the same. Of course, you're being
the question if
only looks at the mother. So, a mule and
a horse are the same because a mule's
mother is a horse and a horse's mother
is a horse. And what did R Yeshua say?
Everybody
holds that
it must be
said in the
he wasn't really sure and it was only
that he said but at the same time he
would be
so
are considered because
I'm worried that maybe when
so one is a horse the other one is a
donkey because all we look good as the
mother. But at the same time,
so therefore a mule is going to be with
a horse. A h is going to be with a
donkey. The reason is even though they
have the same mother
and therefore you're going to have an
issue. One more.
He said that when you're going to take
two animals to push my wagon,
so you know, you're going to say, "Oh,
this is a mixed breed of a horse and a
donkey." And that's a mixed breed of a
horse and a donkey. So they're both the
same. So Ab told no be you should
analyze it. Investigate it a little bit
more carefully. I want you to make sure
that they're exactly the same. Meaning
don't take a mule and a hy and use them
together. Make sure it's two mules or
two hinnies. Why are you see number one
that he holds?
You don't look at the and as a result
they're not one and the same because
they're both defined based on what their
mother is. So one is a horse and the
other one is a donkey. So you have to be
careful. Additionally he
see another thing you see that he must
hold meaning you could rely on the what
did
he told him
that's Aramaic
he said look very care what did he look
very carefully listen pay attention to
its voice look at its tail meaning
Abu was comfortable with the analysis
with the telling him whether it's a a
mule or whether it's a hide So you see
for me you can rely on and if you can
rely on in this case it must be and the
papy over here is a very interesting
rash something that the discuss as well
in very great detail and that is says
this is a very important you know why
because throughout you find
and sends us to one
we know is somebody finds
And there's a sim. So can't be no more.
And number two is that if somebody comes
and he presents the sim is that he gets
to it. He gets to take the and the wheat
says this when the says
this is a
even
you see from this
says very just like that
maybe as well he says no in we're
discussing we're discussing money it
could be don't work I that if somebody
presents a sim he gets the lost object
he gets the it could be that's all
rabbitical in nature and the have a
right they have a direct to go ahead and
to say that even though maybe this is
not ruain still give it to ruain based
on the clause of heft and heer so it's
not a right but over here we're dealing
with it's a question of the it's a
question of
there's no heer than he over here am I
allowed to use these two animals
together in my field can I make these
two animals or not this is a shy love of
it's not a question of and still you
find that you can rely on the must
says maybe only and if
still it works because of over here
there's no half and half and if that's
the case says when the says that you see
from
number one and number two
This
has ripple effects throughout. It even
affects Peric Mits meaning based on this
would be the init
and the and the both and they ask
how did Rashi know when the said
in this figure right here where we're
discussing the of the voice and the tail
of a mule and a h that if you see it on
these collide that's a right
always maybe as it relates to this or
these particular
these are
when it comes to
maybe is not going to be and ask very
good very good
from that we had elusar
discuss that there's a sim there's a way
to know whether a bird is kosher or not
kosher it's based on its eggs so a
kosher egg has a certain
as a non says if that's the case why
can't you just rely on him right
it's so complicated why is it so
complicated all those of you know
such right acronym but the boys why is
it so complicated just look at the eggs
let it lay an egg and you'll figure out
based on the egg and the said
is anyone going to tell you the I have a
paragraph says and here I have a peri
two weeks later in where
it's a says no what kind of cash is that
there we're discussing one type of sim
the sim of the egg of an
over here we're discussing the sim of a
mule versus a hy it's two different sim
so with regards to sima with regards to
the sim are going to be dissa either say
I don't understand how Rashi had a right
to say that
here is that
it necessarily means that it's going to
have an impact on the sug.
Interesting that there's a cha from the
actually a few chas from the discuss and
the reason that the
would discuss the so much is probably
not because they were asked
I mean they were asked that too but
there's not a lot of
it's because the of as well because one
of the places that you find the of is in
the end of the very end of the very very
last few
that talks about
and now we're trying to figure out with
him. We haven't heard from the husband
in years. We don't know what happened to
him. And now a witness comes and he says
that I saw a man. I saw his corpse and
we're trying to figure out is it her
husband or is it not her husband? So we
use says one of the places where comes
so there's a lot of discussion
in the so these were that were
the got involved in and it's a very big
question
is that that's what
was on the he says
that the comes out
how could
Maybe based on the and based on the
maybe
but here
said it nobody seemed to argue so based
on that shouldn't it be mashma that sim
so in one of the chasers within
discusses his raamita's
son who wrote on the side
he says it's pos that the tatas kasha is
predicated on rash's mahalya where rashi
said that this I love the rice is not
only this right here, but it's really
really all the sug
that's a separate maybe there's also a
separate and as a result says the
he doesn't think that this is the just
one other just to go through this
quickly and that is so we're discussing
over here a mule and a hy which are this
hybrid this mixed this offspring of a
mixed breed of a horse and a donkey and
the discussed in its shack of attire. Do
we look at it as one men? Do we look at
it as two different meaning specifically
as it relates to the of
invigil
the sh that he was presented with was a
nectar which the told is a cross between
a peach and a plum. Now the truth is
it's not clear that that's really what
it is but those were the facts that were
present has nothing to do with damas but
that was the shil the shil was a
nectarine or any fruit that's a cross
between other fruits as it relates to so
you know if you eat a new fruit for the
first time you make a
of night ve so that's you're supposed to
make a shakayan so his question was if
somebody made a shakano on a peach and
somebody made a shakayano on a plum and
now don't look it up and now somebody
made and now he's eating a nectarine. So
do you make a shakayano on the nectarina
or do you not make a shakayano on the
one hand you made it on the two that
really make up this cross. So as a
result maybe you don't have to make a
shaku maybe not maybe you should look at
it as a as a and the reverse as well
what if you made a on this cross you
made a shak on the nectarine does that
the peach does that the plum or doesn't
he
said the place we spoke at earlier
between
and between mule. So he said,
"But a mule being that it's a cross,
it's this hybrid, the way we look at is
not as
but rather the way that you look at it
is a it's a new." So if it's a new, it's
a mule, not a and that's why a mule and
a mule is you're not worried about and
because we look at it now as a new mid.
If that's the case, you look at it as a
new man. So it's a new with regards to
the of either way beautiful and says
that really the starting point of this
is
that the brings in
says
I'm not exactly sure what these things
are but basically these are two foods
that are very very similar to each
other. They're from the same men says
talks about a little bit of a simpler
case. You have white figs and black
figs. So if you made on one, do you make
on the other or not? And from the answer
is you do
stating that brings not everybody agrees
with that.
So says it's a sh white fig whether or
not you make it's it's not so clear.
says that really at first glance it
would seem like it could be this would
be a because it seems that seems that
when it comes to there's a a more
fundamental question when you have two
fruit that are a little bit the same min
but not completely the same men how does
it play itself out as it relates to do
you make a new bra or do you not make
another bra but then says a very good he
says at the end of the day why do you
make a shak When you have a new fruit,
what's the point? But why do we make a
shako? You make so often. What's the
rest of the story? What's the idea of a
you make a when you're really aim
that it's a
so you say
you have an opportunity to do a
so you make a
is always something that you make when
you're just to give you one example of
this. The first
somebody sees his friend, he hasn't seen
him in 30 days. And now 30 days pass, he
meets him
after 12 months.
What a rate on that. Says, "When is this
true? When do you make if you haven't
seen your friend in over 30 days?"
It has to be somebody you really like
and you're really really happy and
joyous that you're seeing him right now.
If you're not you don't make a shaky why
not because the of ish so if you're
going to make a shakan so it says the
reason you make au on a new fruit is
because said that there's a that a
person has when he eats a new a new
fruit there's a so he says really when
we ask ourselves whether you make au on
this cross fruit if you already made it
on the peach and you made it on the plum
so what about the nectarine in Ramosha's
example so do I
says really the question is not this.
This is not a question in a in a
like the mule. That's not the shila. The
shila is from a
perspective. The question is from are
people the do they view it as a new
fruit or they not view it as a fruit.
The reality is you view it as a new
fruit. It's a different type of fruit. I
think that's a little bit different. So
it's for that reason says I think as it
relates to it would make more sense. You
should make a stating that
I'm not so sure. I have a different
reason. Listen to this.
How do you have a a cross fruit? How do
you have it? You have to take the seed
of two different fruits and you have to
mix them together. You're not allowed to
do that.
That's something you're not allowed to
do. It could be
because I'm so I see this fruit. It
looks a little like
it looks like you're making
you're so excited because you see
somebody was this is what the world's
come to that you have this fruit that is
a cross between two fruits. So he says I
think that's a reason not to do it. And
then he tells Sue there's a whole with
an right. Could you use an or not?
So there's that says you're not allowed
to use most you are allowed to. So you
see you're allowed to make a you can
make on an so what's the difference? He
says this is difficult. Here we're
making a shakanu
which is about to relate a that
fundamentally has to do with to av to
something that comes from that was a
sensitivity that said at first glance
what's with this cross fruit it sounds
like it's a nice that's what the told
him
so first said really
with the white fruit and the black fruit
but at the end of the day I can tell you
why for sure you should make
And I can tell you as far why you for
sure should not make as far you should
for sure make is all about it's about
people perceive it as being a different
fruit. If it's perceived as being a
different fruit, then maybe you should
make a but as far as to say is at the
end of the day is related to you're
making a related for something that's a
product of an doesn't feel right either
way another. So this is
we saw that right and we're going to get
the bar.
So some people pronounce it as it's so
We're going to call it either ways.
So if you have a animal that's in that
it came from an and a goat and a then
you have the laws of but as it relates
to this.
So we have
right
says agree but
meaning
to you have the laws of
according to you don't have the
so we need a definition what exactly is
So this is an animal that's the
offspring of a that's a male sheep and
which is a female deer. Now why is this
different than what we were discussing
on for example and
the reason or different than what said
he agrees with which is
because over here one of the parents of
this animal are
the other one is when the talks about
it says very clearly the
it has to be at the very least a if it's
not
you're not going to have esp. So the
question over here is is when you have
an animal where one of its parents are
the other of its parents are you don't
have or maybe don't I mean on the one
hand one of its parents are but one of
its parents are said what's the case of
this is the offspring of and it's
oh we're talking about where the male
was the and the female was
And now it had a child and the mother
who was and the child
everybody is going to agree in this case
is no
said
if she herself is a
and the reason is
because at the end of the day the mother
is not a cross the mother is a the
mother is a regular deer. So at the end
of the day, you took a deer and you shed
it with its child that's a hybrid at the
it is not going to be said because it
says
and the words referring to the mother or
father but it's referring to the mother
and therefore in this case where the
mother is a deer which is you're not
going to have
so you're going to tell me that what was
referring to where he said
it's
is in the reverse case
where the father is the deer and the
mother is the sheep
this sheep the together with his child.
The problem is that can't even be the
because again are talking
everyone agrees
and the reason is
because when the where the talks about
it only says it about the mother. So in
this case the mother is a
is this we don't care about it just says
this the whole of
what if it's a cross this is all on the
mother level it was never said on the
child level says referring to the mother
is doesn't matter what it says
himself said there's no
meaning all the agree everybody was in
agreement that really all you have to do
is look at the mother which means means
that what's this whole sh of a the comes
from a mix of a
of sheep and a deer. So what's the
mother? If the mother is a deer then
it's for sure not. gives the mothers a
sheep and the mothers then
says
what you have to say is talking about
where
and they had a child a daughter
and now the bas was
very simple and the which is that's the
and its child
that
as a result This mother who is the child
of
and
is considered a because even though it's
only a
because it only has from one side as a
but
that's enough and being it has a because
the father was
you don't even have a you look at the
mother I mean that all you look at is
the mother you look at as being the
mother meaning if the mother is at for
sure there is no if the mother is at
there is where's the shila the shila is
where the mother is the the mother is
the k the mother is the offspring of the
deer and of the sheep and the shila
specifically was the shila specifically
was where it was the father that was the
behemoth and that's pushet that as long
as one sat one part of the of this is a
that would be enough to have because
that's a but that's what the says that
certainly would be enough question do
you have a
you have a mix
you don't have a mix so at the end of
the day says the
it's the same that we had
whether
also or only It's that with the mules
and the hies. It's this is the Shilah
says the if that's the case at the end
of the day
is the same exact as it boils down to
like
so why why wasn't that
are discussing a very very simple the
most basic elementary daytoday practical
even with the father of the animal.
It's only by the mother. Very
straightforward
is a very far-fetched case. It's a case
where you mated a male sheep with a
female deer. They gave birth to a child
who then gave birth to another child,
right? And then you want to know if the
mother and the daughter, not the
grandmother, the mother and the
daughter, whether you can have a problem
of or you don't have a problem of if at
the end of the day really what it comes
down to is whether
would it make more sense to argue in the
more simple context of
or only
why they arguing in this case
says I'll tell you why they didn't
because they wanted to tell me a bigish
they wanted to say that not only
but also the
you would have thought maybe they don't
say that you do say meaning there's an
added that you see from this that you
want to see notes in the
but as it relates to understanding that
when it says in the
So as long as you're a that's going to
be enough. So if the mother is a the
mother of this now this is a it's
subject to the laws of if and the father
is that's also going to constitute
the point is if all they wanted to teach
me the was they would have discussed the
it's a much more straightforward
application of this. The reason they
discussed this is they wanted to say an
added and that is
why is that such a a big
so you have this important but as we're
going to see in tomorrow's it actually
relates itself to many many many other
tomorrow is very much a he of the
learning right now we'll stop here but
we'll just end with one fest so we're
learning over here the of
it says
We just finished learning
and the context of
really the underpinned the entire per
was an idea that if somebody
is a and you found that now there's an
let's talk about the extreme case which
really is but we poss
And there was a benu
is that it's okay. Not only is it okay
you're allowed to eat the ben.
Why are you ever
why isn't it a problem of
because when you the mother
as well. So
the mother everybody agrees with the
mother and the child. So,
so all the
discuss at the end of the day it is it's
not I hear so the love this is the love
this but at the end of the day it should
be and it's not from that it's user it
never said once in the entire per that
you can't do it and that the whole peric
is discussing if you did it already it's
mash something you lied to do it's clear
from that way and if that's the It's
the is what happened to the
you know who asks this the
it's very rare that the should ask and
he doesn't ask it
but it's clear the way all the
explain
that the ra was very bothered with this
question
It's up to
it's
says the ram. You know why? Because
an uber is an a of its mother. It's just
an extension of its mother.
Stating that once the baby's born at
that point
but when the mother is a miser then it
is okay. Why says the ram
say that it's clear from this rama this
is a rais that is discussing the laws of
the law of that was bother why is
if the mother gives birth right after it
says the rama in the next line
you can't check it anymore
but when it's in its mother's womb that
it's okay
to you know why
is because and being that uber is an of
its mother so for that reason it's not
going to be a problem there's two
problems with this before we explain the
there's two problems number one it
sounds like the ra's answering the kash
according to that hold the problem
from the biggest in so if that's the
case that's all good if you what if you
There's a bigasha bigash the raita is so
if the raita says what's going on how
could the say that the reason it's okay
is because I I don't see it as
it's a
safer on this
how does the say
I'm sorry and other that it's poss
to answer his even if you hold
what then did the Rama mean to say
the is
and there's a benu so now the benu is it
doesn't eat oh we discuss Are you glad
to eat it alive?
It's still going to be Abra because of
the beginning of of or maybe not. But
regardless regardless it doesn't what's
the is the that when you the mother it's
in the as well meaning this two is
taking place it's one
right
it's one act with two there's a in the
mother and it's a and it's b but there's
twoas over here there's a in the mother
and there's in the as well or is the
fact there's one there's a in the mother
the is that being that the is inside the
of its mother so it becomes mut with the
that was done in the mother but it's not
the that there's a separate that's being
in the when you the mother there's a
being in the arm and in the leg and in
the pastrami and in the co no it's all
one big animal everything is together
it's it's there's a in the animal if
you're part of the animal then you come
along for the ride then you now are
included in the hector of the is that
the benakura the bmpaku is just looked
at as being part of the mother or no
being that the bakura is an animal for
itself so maybe you have to look at the
you can't just become so what's the
mother is it's the mother
if there's two taking place over here
there's a in the mother and aita in the
bena then you have a what happened to
There's two after you do twoas. If
however you hold it it's one that's in
the entire animal then you can say and
the baku is included in the entire
animal then it's not going to be a
problem.
So you want to know what the lumbus and
all the we discuss
of course the
but as it relates to this
that says
that becomes the mother. The Ram held
that the longest of that is is that as
it relates to Ben it we look at it as if
it's not because
but the Rama was explaining the gather
of this the gather of this is we look at
the as if it's the it's an Arab the
mother it's one of the mother it's like
one of the legs and just like the leg
becomes not because it's a separate on
the leg the becomes not because
if that's the case it's pushed that
there's not going to a problem voice of
that was the
you know why
says the waycomes is not that it's
separate in the it's one that works for
the mother and for the if it's one then
there's no problem of
either way this is the the ram's and
ra's term tomorrow we're going to speak
out of ter
and as we'll see of angel terrors really
puts a lot of what we've been talking
about recently together. It ties in.
It also ties in a traus.