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Today's daff is a and we will begin from
the top line of dy
mantana. So we're middle of the suga of
ben. So really the backdrop of perma
makasha is a that says that if you sh an
animal a female animal and you find an
uber inside the womb of the animal that
you shed the is that the of the mother
works so that you are now allowed to eat
the that was in the mother's as well
stating that there was a very important
is
in the
ram says is that the only time the Uber
becomes
of the mother is if the Uber was not a
fully developed live Uber. If however
the uber was already 9 months old and it
was alive the is you cannot eat the uber
per the of the mother but rather you
would have to the in of itself in order
for it to be
the argued and they said
that's not the way it is but rather the
of the mother works for the uber even if
the uber is fully developed even if it's
a a live animal 9 months old it doesn't
matter the of the mother always works
for the Uber. Either way, today's DA is
going to discuss that is the that fully
developed uber that's alive that was
found inside the of the mother after the
mother is what's known as the Ben.
There's a lot of lum very interesting.
Either way, the Gar had discussed on the
bottom of
what's with regards to according to the
where it's alive but at the same time it
does not require it own do we say that
right now being that it's alive it can
become
or do we say that being that it's alive
it cannot become meaning we know that a
behemoth can become but only after it
dies a live behemoth can't become tom a
human being can become tommy even when
he's alive. All of predicated on people
becoming tame. You touch a sher, you
touch an a you're in an etc. A human
being can become while he's alive. An
animal can only become when it's no
longer alive. A live animal can't become
when it dies. We view it as and now it's
subject to the laws of the question is
according to the old that doesn't
require. So to a certain degree we look
at it as if it's not alive anymore. If
we can look at it as if it's not alive
anymore. It had a had it have a because
when she did the mother it worked for
the uber. So maybe that Ben Pakua should
be able to become tom brought a bryo
that says that a Ben pua can in fact
become and today's d is going to pick up
with that says
that if a benu which is obviously alive
it passed through it became wet now that
it's wet it's if a later goes into a it
comes in contact with a maze it could
become meaning who's the tana that holds
that according to the
not only is without but we look at it as
if it's right now so that it's subject
to the laws of
so
meaning not everybody agrees not
everybody would agree to this idea that
according to the
is viewed as if it's dead so that it's
now subject to the laws of it's the
opinion of a who's the
time to the
said that could become but like all
foods it needs to be
first first has to become wet in order
for it to be able to become
at the end of the day it's true that
Benua had in it
and it's for that reason if you want to
eat it now it doesn't need a new the
mother worked for the Benaka, but at the
same time it's alive and being that it's
alive an animal that's alive even in
from a perspective on some level maybe
we could look at it as if it's dead but
that's not enough for the laws of either
way it's
so if you have a says
it must be that although it was
mentioned anonymously it must be the
opinion of a it's the opinion of
says
this who said that that price is going
once said something very similar. He
said
both said the same
that it's possible for a live animal to
be subject to the laws of
a live animal can never become we're
talking about a which has the den of a
dead animal so that even though it's
alive it could still be that's
and this is a
so a lot of
Fish like animals can only become tame
once they're dead. Or at least that's
what you would think before this Mishna.
If they're alive, it's a regular live
that can not become tummy. Stating that
a three-way
when in fact a fish is deemed dead to
the point where now it could become
says as soon as the fisherman has the
fish inside his net, even if the fish is
still in the water, even if the fish is
still alive, at that point he knows that
the end is very very near. And as a
result, he's considered dead enough that
it could become tommy. Still,
no, you need that the fish should
actually be dead. It should not have a
pulse in order for you to say that the
fish can now become
says it's not when it's in the net. It's
not when it's dead. But it's from the
time when it can't live anymore.
Sounds very similar to says from when
it's dead. Says from when it can't live
anymore.
is when the fish is outside of the
water. It's flapping. It's about to die,
but it's still alive. According to it
can't become tummy at that second
because says it actually has to be dead.
Rabaka however argues says
at that point it's not in the net in the
water. It's much further down the road.
It's already flapping outside of the
water. At that point is you'd be able to
be Tommy either way says the B who said
that a fish could become while it's
alive as long as it's in the net of the
fisherman even if it's inside the water
that's essentially said
because ordinarily alive cannot be
stating that you find exceptions to the
rule
said it with regards to it's considered
dead because of the fact that there was
That's enough to say that as long as
it's become said a similar thing was
talking about fish and said that as soon
as the fish is inside the net of the
fisherman it's considered dead enough
that it can now become on the topic of
these fish.
What would be if a fish had in it?
So it's not in the fisherman's net
necessarily. It's not outside the water.
It's certainly not dead, but it has
simony tra. And Rashi lists one of the
tra that we discussed in great detail
when we learned. So now you have a fish
that has now usually don't think of tra
and fish together. Why not? Because
in the laws of fish doesn't require you
could eat a fish if it's dead as long as
it's not alive anymore. There's no of
there's no of either stating that wanted
to know with regards to the of a fish
but coming what if it has a and he said
I hear if you hear
even according to the says
maybe that's only for
who's
much easier to kill a fish than it to
kill an animal. light. Maybe even the
mama that says would agree that
and as a result once the fish has at
that point it could become or perhaps
maybe
you find the concept of
but by fish even though it's easier to
kill the fish but at the end of the day
the laws of
I think we know that and as a result
they were said by it's
you don't find such with regards to
fish. So maybe even if you ta in a kayak
ta cannot impact fish
says the gimmoro tu now rash the gimaro
that sh ofenu
was going according to rabaka raaka that
says that you don't need the animal the
fish to be dead in order for it to be
royabon what you need is that it should
be outside of the water meth Farfer it's
it's about to die that's enough wanted
to know what if it's not outside the
water about to die in seconds but it has
we know there's an idea that
allow us to look at something alive as
if it's not no longer alive and is that
at least enough in's world to say that
is going to be like the fish being but
according to Billow who holds that you
need that the fish should physically be
dead in order for it to
is not enough to render the fish dead.
So according to it doesn't have to be
dead. It just has to be
how do you look at when it comes to
these fish that it physically has to be
dead over there says it's that the never
in other words these
seven lines that we just read says Rashi
is all going according to
but according to B there was never such
a we'll see soon when we speak out some
raid that not all the agree with that
and there a very nice raid related to
this rash. But either way, for now,
another garl
what's the if
had a it miscarried a child and the
gummor wants to know what's the as it
relates to the of the nl. So this is a a
female behemoth. It has an uber in its
womb. This uber just miscarried. So it
was born but but it's not alive. And the
question is the of a which is always
it's very it's one of the that's how aer
it is. So what about the of this? Is it
gonna be or is it gonna be a says the
we look at the as the of is going to be
we look at as of and is just another way
of saying that it's not going to be
it's going to be because he holds that
the status of this way explains the gor
is completed as soon as the baby is
born. So as soon as this is
then it should be if it's a it's of the
says the of
he doesn't look at the because he holds
it's not the fact that the was
that completes the status of thus
renders it of but rather it has to be
The behemoth, the uber is not considered
behemoth quote unquote until it's fully
developed. I think that this was a nafl.
It was never fully developed. It was 8
months old, let's say. So, as a result,
it's not going to be considered a
behemoth. So, in other words, what you
see from this gar is an interesting
kadesh. Usually, you think a behemoth
that's pregnant. It's a behem. I mean,
it could be a 3 months, 4 months, 8
months, 9 months developed, nal, not
developed, but it's a behemoth. What
else is it? You see, we're not that way.
That be is a status that you have to
earn. It's a you have to earn the tire
of you don't just get it so simply when
does it become
according to it's established when it
comes so if it was a
it's going to be
according to it has to be and until
it's not yet a what is it but a it's not
going to be says
somehow had a different version of this.
Everybody agrees
that if this Uber this fetus was not
fully developed, it's not considered a
and as a result is treated like the
it's going to be
was
it was a different it was more related
to the learning right now where there
was a behema that had in it this uber it
was 9 months old and it was alive and
now somebody stuck his and into the womb
of the mother cow took out the of the
question is is this
says it's going to be us
because even though it was never it
doesn't matter at the end of the day
it's fully developed and that's enough
to treat it as a bead
you have to have and you have to have
and being that you don't have both it's
not going to be meaning if it was like
it's for sure going to
The question was where it was because
otherwise there's no starting point
until the Uber is 9 months old. It's
definitely not. The question is if it
was
how's that possible? Very simple. where
the the person stuck his hand into the
and took out the So do you say that it
was being that it was
that's a reason that it should be which
is or do you say that as long as it had
months that's going to be oh no
we know that of a was put on them. So
anytime the a carbon was brought so part
of the carbon was eaten meaning part of
the meat of the carbon was eaten by the
sometimes by the bum and part of the
meat was put on the what was put on the
same
those same if it was that was that's
what was given to now the repeats the
of the goes on the by the and The is
bothered that why the have to repeat it
says the
when the talks about the of an it
doesn't include the of its fetus you
know why an is always a so if it's
always it doesn't have a fetus and as a
result clearly when the talks about
going on the it means of the animal it
doesn't mean the the
so is if you had a female botch
says like for example which could be
either
is not going to be included says the
asking
according to me
it's understood why we need a to because
being that I hold that a fully developed
even if it was it's considered a th it's
considered with regards to you would
have that it's also should go because if
it's part of a larger animal. It's in
its mother. That's a so maybe of going.
It doesn't matter if it's the of the
mother. It's the of the but that holds
that until the baby is born. It's not
considered a quote unquote with regards
to and is
not.
Why would you need a a
to teach me that that doesn't go into
said I hear but at the same time
you're right from the of the from the
fact that we need a carbon as a that
there would have been that the
of the
should be considered a behem even though
so the of this whole discussion is but
why are we going to prove anything from
the let's look at the mas what's the
bottom line of this the bottom line is
is that you don't put the on the why not
I think the reason you don't put it on
the is because what the is coming to
tell me is that IT'S NOT I'M WORKING
BACKWARDS you're right you see clearly
that there would have been I'm not
saying that is not good I'm not saying
it's not a but what I am saying is at
the end of the day from this price I
think it's a riot to me because what we
see in this price is that you don't take
the of the baby and put on them as why
not it's part of aim you're taking the
of the mother why not take the of the
child
that the B is coming to teach me that
the is not considered if it's not
considered with regards to I don't think
it should be considered and with regards
to the as well in fact the now brings
another version of this exchange between
andish
was the one bringing from this price up
because really if you think about it
this price seems a little bit more
likelish
was the one who asked he was on the
offensive. He said
according to me it's understood.
It makes sense why the of the baby don't
go on the because I hold it's not yet.
It's not with regards to it's not with
regards to but according to you why
aren't you putting it on the if you tell
me this is why it doesn't go on the
okay you want to ask me it's not
there's a lot of there's a lot of
animals or parts of animals that
technically meet the criteria of but
still they don't have to go
an animal doesn't go until it's 8 days
old so what are you going to tell me
because it's not a there's no of course
there's
But there's a nal. So I hold that this
is
and as a result the is not going to go
on the but the fact that you don't put
on the is not that it's not considered
either way another
animal and you found
this is an animal that's going to be
right it's a healthy animal so the
question is and now it goes out. You
want to eat it. Do I have to sh it? Do I
not have to sh it? Says you have to sh
it. I wasn't it inside the womb of the
animal. It was in the mas of the mother
didn't stick its hand out, not its head
out. So what's the problem? Why should
the of the mother work? Says Rome
because even though there is a of
but with the exception of a fully
developed animal at that point it's not
going to become with the mother. The kam
argued the kim said not that way said
raami what would be in the following
case if somebody sheed an animal a
female animal they found out afterwards
that it was a trafa right they inspected
the lungs there was circus it was a
trafa not just that it was also a mueris
and the baby came out and it was a fully
developed child it was it was 9 months
old and it's going to be able to live
the question is what's the now with
regards to this said rai
mcc according to a mayor that says the
mother does not work for the so the fact
that the was a tra quote unquote is
going to have no impact on the child why
because the child anyways was never shy
to the mother never worked for it
anyways as a result it's m you treat it
like any other bakua it's a bakua you
want to eat it you have to sh it of
That's and it's going to be fine.
However, that holds that you don't have
to
this animal is going to be off limits.
You're not going to be able to eat it.
Why not? And this is very loveish
because you can't eat it based on the of
the mother because the mother was a
straa and you can't do another later
because it already had a mean that it
already had a at this point there's no
way to go ahead and do a second. So the
bottom line is is because of the ka of
in this case it's going to come out. So
said very nice that's in this case it's
going to be what does Mita
said with the mother in this case it's
going to be because you can't become the
mother and once he did a bad you can't
do another because it was already
says no
that becomes the mother in this case
it's going to be as well why because
the way we look at is is the T gave you
two choices. The T gave it four sim.
Usually an animal has two sim, the con
of respectively. This animal has four
sim. If you want you could check the
mother. If you want you can check the
child. But you don't say that if you
shed the mother sim and there was an
issue with it. So now you don't have the
option. NO YOU YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS.
This
see right usually the mother is enough.
So you don't have to worry beyond that.
Over here the mother is not enough. Why?
because it was so you're going to be
able to work with the of the child
said
so this is our case somebody an animal
it was a mother it was a and they found
that it had a
this is true point everybody there's no
way the of the mother is going to work
you have to give the you have to give
every time every time you
And you have to give the
and the to the
in this case you're going to have to do
the same thing. Additionally,
if the Benua dies,
this is a if the Benua dies, it's not
going to be Thomas. It's not going to be
Tommy Thomas. Why not? because it had a
ready because when you did the mother
even though the didn't work to be the
ben to be maka not to be it did work to
be
on some level and as a result it's going
to be or it's going to be so again
>> right and the reason is like this
because
not
but is the mother. So being that it was
Mat the mother, it could be Mat the as
well. So again this was the case you did
a mother that was a tra and you found
that it had a benu says as it relates to
the benita
it's you need to do a regular as it
relates to eating it you're going to
givea you're going to have to do aita
you're going to have to be worried about
the laws of grow this you need a regular
there's no question I what do you mean
didn't the mother already have a yeah
it's true the mother had a but it was
but at the same time this animal when it
dies despite the fact that it needs a
tra will never be a what do you mean if
it if it needs now it dies so it's an
avail so doesn't ana have a yeah because
the of the to work at least to the
degree that it's not going to be and the
reason is because the worked for the
mother for the tra itself that it
shouldn't have to so if it works for the
mother to not have to it's going to work
for the child to not have to oh my so
Doesn't make any sense. If you're
telling me that inita, who must you be
going according to
it sounds to me like you're going like
you're going like that holds that a benu
doesn't become the mother. But then you
tell him to then you tell him it doesn't
become command that's going to that
holds that of the mother does work for
the ben. So
why asking me what I'm saying you should
know is
already said this
same exact case
when said in the that
is going according to a mayor right they
amazed at the time of who's it going
according to meaning he's saying there
was a that was retired from It's
obvious.
So, why you asking a cash on me? Isn't
it a cash on? So, said no. Holy cash.
And the Bryce I'm not asking aasha cuz
the you could always be
you could add a letter sometimes. Right
knew when a bryer was properly edited
when it wasn't properly edited and they
knew what kind of they were allowed to
manipulate when it came to understanding
bry. So said the bryer is not bothering
me because I could always say that
that the last thing said
the way you read it is not but rather
the way you're supposed to read it is if
you found it dead meaning it wasn't
agrees
like this everybody agrees that of the
mother is going to work
but you're being pretty clear you're not
saying
you're telling telling me. So what
you're telling me is a because
it's not a
like but at the same time even the agree
that if you
is you would be able to do another with
the child and it's going to be why would
you be able to do another didn't already
have a it's true it already had a but at
the same time when you do now a a new
it's okay because that's the
is either with the mother or with the of
the child so either one of the work so
of course I'm going according to said
not like we're going according to we
passing like we pass
so he's going according to that is and
it's for that reason if this animal dies
it's not going to be Tommy Tomas Na
because of the mother at the very least
for it to be met from Tomas Na but at
the same time but at the same time I
also hold that despite the fact that it
had a that worked to be from Na you
could do another to be does that make
sense it makes sense because that's the
way the terror designed the
either way essentially holds like what
said on the bottom of either way.
One last point on this
famously went from came to
says that it was who heard talking and
learning and he said over the he said
over this with regards to if somebody
and there was a baku that even according
to you could do another. So he said
told he's saying very good and he said
by the way
said the same thing that you said. So
that's the ultimate ask from he said
what you said but the says
when he said
were we supposed to imply didn't say
that. So the says no either
says that
it's to see the rashy inside
would say something and didn't agree
with it. He wouldn't say anything right
away but rather
he would wait a little bit of time
to make sure. He thought maybe would
change his mind. So he would wait to
think through the question. Rashi says
no. He was waiting to see if was going
to stand his ground and he was going to
maintain his position. Either way,
that's exactly what happened.
Walked out. He had no idea whether so
when he said, he didn't mean he he knew
wasn't sure about it. And he knew was
was going to wait around and to see what
he held. But he said, "I never heard
anything one way or another from I can't
tell you for sure definitively about
some say
was drinking water." Rashi says it. So
didn't comment and wasn't sure if the
reason didn't comment is simply because
he was drinking water or he didn't
comment because he was mo he held that
was right. In other words, we have a sh
over here somebody
and he found a ben. So how does it
impact? Could you go now do a proper
obviously the of the is not going to
work for the can you do
you could the mother never impacted the
child so just like if it wasn't a tra
the mother wouldn't work for the if it
was a tra
with the tra doesn't affect the
questions according to the matter do you
say do you not say either way that is
this ex so before we go and conclude the
suga of Ben paka just one heart and that
is that we mentioned on
a sh with regards to fish. brought a
Mishna in the third per often that
discusses fish that are when do they
become
and
an animal any with the exception of a
human being while it's alive cannot
become
once an animal dies it becomes
even
if it's comes in contact with a become
to but a live animal can't become once
it's dead now it's subject to the laws
of and the Mishna discusses what if what
about fish and with regards to fish it's
not so straightforward says as soon as
they're in the fisherman's net they're
going to die and that's enough to say
that right now they can become says no
even by fish they physically have to be
dead said that
which is some in between stage that they
don't physically have to be dead but
once they're out of the water for
example that being that's enough for
them to be at the point where they can
now become declared
he wanted to know what if it was
what would be the if a fish had and
explained to
who says that they don't have to be dead
in order for them to be so what if you
have a fish that's alive but it has that
enough that we can look at it as
so that according to
it would now be
or do we say no at the end of the day
it's not out of the water
maybe but that's not enough to say that
it shouldn't be able to and the
concludes and the says but either way
this is all
and this held that according to the
who says that you need for it to
physically die it's no one's going to
say that if it has money that's going to
be enough for us to look at as if it's
dead stating that
clearly clearly implied held that the is
meant to be learned differently. The
rabb brings this
and the says
from the time it dies who does that.
Then the Ram continues and the Ram says
what happens if the fish had a tra
and now they became
says the
says it's a what's the
never resolved the
ra has no way of resolving the says the
ram that when do fish become
stating had if it had I'm not sure what
is now the Ramb
and still the Rama brings if all of
doesn't have to be dead then what's the
Rama bringing
the Rama like has to be dead anyways so
is going to make it as if it's dead you
see the Rama not like the Rama that was
a sh it wasn't a shaka
thus despite the that the rail
still he brought to what would be the
stating that
says that it's I don't understand the he
says why
that was according to what's criteria
for a fish to be able to become it has
to be at a point where it's
in light of three and a half weeks
enough to make it.
Maybe no.
We have to wait for to resolve the sh
such a good child. But the ra but
according to Bah who holds that fish
becomes
when they're dead. It could have a
traer. It could have 10 traers. At the
end of the day, it's alive right now.
What does traer mean? Trafer means that
it's going to die, but it's not dead. So
if said that you need the fish to be
dead in order for it to be
what
is very bothered by it says I think it's
even here is
I thought about it and you know what
doesn't bother me so much the
ram is even according to
even though the ram that fish only
become when they die
The Rama must have held
that when an animal is a tra it's as if
it's dead
and says even though at first glance it
sounds like a big but
somebody kills
but
so you see there's a new that when
someone has money he's treated like a
mace Either way says
that it's true he is all coin and it's
true says in order for it to be but
what's
going to be enough to say that right now
we may be looking at it as that and a
fish that's dead is maybe there as well
and this we did not see this in parake
when we discussed of it was always that
once an animal's a tra we know it's
going to die but who ever said that you
look at a tra as if it's dead right now.
This is a that we had to wait for talked
away here the way the
with the you see over here
that a not only is it made to die but
with regards to certain we can look at
as if it's dead where do you have these?
So we have two we have our right here
that even though holds that fish can
only become
that had a suffik that maybe once it has
a trophy we look at as if it's dead and
has his
if somebody kills a tra and the beer is
with this cuz t is looked at as if he's
dead not with regards to all I mean if
we looked at it as if it's dead you have
to so obviously it's only with regards
to certain but at least two applications
of this thing so this is the third with
regards to the of trade is that we
the the first one was last Sunday
where we spoke at the the
once an animal has a tra does that mean
it's going to be a tra forever like you
have in once a a woman can't fall a yum
even if the circumstances change she's
going to be a forever discuss
we spoke out many times we had
that if a kosher animal gives birth to
an animal that doesn't have the simra
says it's awesome we spoke out from the
ruggage of
who said that it's because of sa versus
sim that was
that we saw here sa this is the third
one that there's an idea that sometimes
not only do we look at it as if it's
going to die but with regards to certain
we look at it as if it's dead as well
but it's interesting that
that says why did like
it seems a little bit more stabber that
the
basil who says that you need the fish to
be dead why
be considered as if it's dead. Okay,
I figured it out. But at the same time,
it still seems a little bit more. So why
did the Ram learn the like and not like
he says because we know that is always
like now is always like
so now we have a real what do you do on
the one hand on the other hand says the
that when is when the says
What's
so it's true the rule is always possible
but that rule is limited to arguing with
so if you have
like
is going to be like but when it's when
he's going up against a rab there's
going to be difference you want to know
why the raam pas like basil not
is because
doesn't say that the merch says
but
it's that we have to be
it made more sense
like now the truth is that this idea of
a little bit of a discussion and it's
worth a little bit of a digression the
in his
name is
and he brings this he says it's posh
that even though the garra says we
always pass that's only if he's arguing
with a if he's arguing with it's not
going to be that way says the
being that I'm talking about this club
I have to share with you says that I
found The mugging David. Who's the
mugging David? Also known as the taz. So
the
he made a mistake not once but twice.
Twice not once. Twice the says that
you can look it up. It's in the task.
says
it's
because he said it in context and it's
not true
because he made a mistake with something
that's
anyone that knows learning knows that
it's true but it's only
says is the reason that the like not
like is a rabb and
either way bring
But I'll tell you something interesting.
We always speak out.
He devoted his and he speaks about this
amongst many many many many that he
discusses and that is
he says I found
the first
that he holds that not only
and then he says even a little bit mash
But either way says
not that way. Meaning he brings it as if
the says
but he says I have my is
in the end of the first
who says that
so we have the in two places and now we
have the but I think there's a third and
that's from right here the
asks rashi learned was going the rama
learned it was going according to basil
Rashi learned
why would be asking
it would seem to imply that Rashi would
hold that is like thus
discussion of the is usually discussed
the
WE DON'T like here because although it's
true Listen to the guy that's
arguing with his. It's not true
because I found a freight. Why
implying that is not like
where do you find that? It's a rush.
Now, who's
right? So it's not so
over there sounds like a very big but
it's
but regardless whether both mentioned in
the
I don't know WHY
like let me ask you a question if
there's a that's
everybody knows that
why the terrorist
he says I found a RUSH
that's not
that's a nice IT'S A MAJOR
SO WHY DID HE ASK from this rush why did
he ask more he should have said
this keeps taking on all the everybody
he's arguing with over here so why did
he fly to the rush Why do you say I
think it's from this but I think it's in
this that he held like the in two places
like the end of the first that's not so
simple he doesn't hold
THAT WASN'T EVEN HIS FROM the say
he had his incidentally we don't just
have three we have three of the earliest
the I mean who needs no introduction the
who needs no introduction and the
terrorist for those who don't know I
mean the his name was
he was the bells believe it or not so he
was the bells he was nif in 1632
so he's from the early early his father
was a of his brother was the
so the
and the either way we have three I think
we just go right into the next part of
raid and we'll figure out how we handle
the rest of the d but regardless for now
just one more and that is we're talking
about the pakua we've been learning the
sugai the sugis of so I thought it's
kadai to speak out one and that is
everybody knows rashi in the beginning
of para so begins
and unfortunately and unfortunately
and the brothers and the everything
happened and the say
was 17 years old
and
he spoke lion about his brothers. What
was the lion? He says he said three
things. Number one,
he said that my brothers, they eat.
Number two,
they called them
three.
And then he said, "By the way, also says
because of the three lion horrors that
spoke, he was punished for all three
because he said, the prophet says,
etc., etc. Either way
speaks lash and horror about his
brothers. What was the lash and horror
they were mousled with and they were and
this was a problem the fact that spoke
and he was punished for it and the
punishment was
etc etc. At first glance this is
what happened. Was it true? Let's speak
about because we're learning now. Was it
true? Did the brothers really eat? If
that's the case, how could they possibly
eat? What's going on? And if it's not
true that they then then was lying. He
went to his he went to his father and he
lied about the so before the brush is
the
in his brings a from the he says like
this the says that he found
this not the I'm sorry this says I found
I heard
you didn't see it inside so this is the
quoting who says that he heard about
that says that what went on over here
was as follow says we know that the were
able to create things with the talks
about
they used to create an
in his famous truth talks about if
somebody creates a person
but regardless there's an idea that had
the ability to have the ability to
create to create people and animals with
the says
that what happened over here was the
they had this of how to use from their
father
and they were creating animals with the
says the if you create an animal with
the you're allowed to eat the animal
without
it's not a regular animal that has a
mother and a father to me they sat down
AND THEY ATE IT HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS
created with the as a result sees that
meaning he thinks they're eating. THE
REALITY IS IS that these were created
as a result it did not require a and
that's how you reconcile the brothers of
course never
wasn't lying he thought they he was
unaware what's amazing is that the said
that he found that this safer that they
explained all three things this is not
just the explanation for the first quote
unquote
they used to talk about the brothers but
it was true for the other two as well
one of the things he said was that they
were says the that they were using the
she to create as well and as
they were spending time with them and
thought that these were regular and as a
result he thought it was but being that
they weren't real as a result there
really was no what was the zul in the in
the
wanted in they also wanted to be able to
participate in what was going on but at
the same time says the it's that in
order to
you have to be from the so it's not
enough that you're also have to be the
they weren't because their mothers were
and as a result THEY SAID NO YOU CAN'T
PARTICIPATE YOU CAN'T HAVE FROM this why
not because you're you're not you don't
have the to be able to be in something
like this says
he says he heard that that was the
passion the was is that this wasn't real
animals they weren't real in the cavis
And the
couldn't be because it was all through
the but that is the says
he says
you know
and what he says about
spoke a lot about he talks about what he
saw by his
we've spoken about these things many
times in the d but the one thing he says
That's that's the only comment that I
have. But as it relates to everything
else, he says that he's bes that he's
willing to accept. But either way, so we
have a mahal. The mahal is that what
happened over here was they were all
created with shame. created with shame
is not a regular not doesn't require
didn't know that thought they were
eating but in reality they were not
eating but it's that the
and this is in has a different he has a
different to explain what exactly was
going on and the
and that is we know that
they kept even before it was given the
the and they kept the they now have a
or did they still have a dinner of says
that's partial they had a dinner of
makes sense but the question is what
about what if the of isra
and of do you say because they kept the
dinner well they only had
but at the same time they they maintain
their
so in the context of that conversation
says
with regards
and really two. The first thing is
we spoke about many times in very very
great detail and that is
without going into the whole of that but
the gist of it as it relates to is is
that has and has but by something
becomes not as soon as
for a depends on where the animals are
alive animals are dead and the say in
what would be if you shed an animal and
animal was and while that animal was
says you took off a piece of meat that
piece of meat is it going to be or is it
going to be as for a year it's going to
be why because for a year as long as
it's a it's not it's not even anymore
but for doesn't have it's not it doesn't
have what does it matter is it alive
it's alive says doesn't have long to
live but it's alive right now and being
that it's alive so is it's going to be
considered
theor says now everybody agrees with
that it's
But at the same time said it can't be
because
right there's no saying if it's for for
a guy then for it has to be for a guy.
So papa argued by the way the rabb
says that if somebody would take a piece
of meat from an animal after while it's
still alive it's
for it be also for good doesn't pass
uses that in his tru about abortion
because that abortions comes from didn't
seem to hold of
but the bottom line is it's possible to
just like flesh that according to if
you're according to it will be if you're
going to be says in theory there's
another and that is we learn
we pass like
a
is it going to be for or will it not be
for a it's going to be because of the
mother what about says
that it's going to be also for why
because
what's the reason right now without
is it alive or is it dead? It's dead or
I'm sorry it's alive. So if it's alive
it should be awesome. So you have two
cases where something could be deemed
according to who does not hold for but
it won't be considered for number one if
you removed a little bit of
while the animal was
number two
says you want to know what was going on
over here what was going on is theim
were eating aim that were removed from
the animal while it was says or
alternatively They were eating a
saw and he said you know why
they not let it be like the rabbis of
you're not allowed to eat it. What did
the shift call? The shift they call held
that they had a
it's for that reason they were allowed.
So was it was it not? It was for it was
not
for Israel and the Shiloh between Ysef
and the brothers was whether they had a
dinner or whether they had a dinner. But
the Malik asks one question. I'm going
to leave with this one fundamental
question. Are we supposed to walk away
from this thinking that if you have a
Ben paka, you can take the ben without
it and just take a bite out of it and
everything is going to be fine. Maybe.
Right. Wait a minute. The mother you see
when it dies there's no so I think so
maybe it's
and when we say that according to the
Ben is without it just means it doesn't
eat but it cannot be alive. If it's
going to be alive it's going to be a
problem.
Like why should that be the case? So he
says I have it here somewhere
that it's a Rama and the Rama is in
perf over there is discussing if
somebody removes baser
oh it's right here if somebody's
discussing as follows exactly
you're not allowed to eat from an animal
that's
as long as it's still alive why it's
still
right wasn't said.
It's not we're talking to to Jews,
right? We're talking to says
if someone eats from it
before it dies,
it's included in the but you're not
going to get now. What's the mart
is
the over there is discussing the concept
of that's one say where many are learned
on from there says the I'll give you an
example of it's a
before it dies
the says
another
thing we learned from and that is
and eat the buster of Kim before you do
this. Another thing you learn from cycle
is with regards to the another thing you
learn from the of is that the before
they pass they're not allowed to eat.
There's a whole bunch of that's a
quintessential
says you don't get
if somebody eats from a
you're not going to be you're not going
to get this for now just to be clear
this
is not the
right if somebody asks you what's the
learn so what's the
one
that's very nice but where is it a where
is it where is it in the to us forget
about
Where is it to us? So it's a it's tucked
away. It's a it's in the says
that's the
says
and that's what they say. So it's based
that's not this that is bringing us this
is once you an animal even if it's says
this is off the table not going to be
this anymore but there's a new the is
and that the ram understands what's that
coming to say that even if there was a
but if the animals alive eat FROM THE
ANIMALS NOT this is not at that point
it's still going to be now by the way
rashi says that that's only it's not
even a real iss but The seems to hold
that it's a real so you have the and
then even if it had a prop you're still
going to have so says that if the ram
said that if you an animal and while the
animal is still alive you eat the
then
if you crack a piece of and you eat it
even though you're not over the canes
you're not
because it had a the mother. But it's
not it's not any worse than the case of
eating the meat while the animal is
you're still going to be. So says the
it's a great to say that maybe what went
on with the
was that they were eating a ben but it
can't be because even
is going to be it's going to be because
of a positive.
So it's going to be awesome. It would
have been dead once it's dead. It's also
says great and he brings it from but you
can't say it was what could you say? You
can say that it was or an aa that was
removed from the animal while it was
if it was removed while it was now the
animal is dead for a it's going to be
even though it was removed while it was
alive because that was going to be for
even though it was removed while it was
alive but even though it was but being
that was while was alive it is going to
be and that's what they were eating. So
the
that could be the explanation that could
be the explanation for what exactly was
going on. But as it relates to the
hey today's not going to work and the
reason it's not going to work as cuz
that's pion even though there's a head
of you still have to kill the animal.
Hey doesn't matter how you kill it but
as long as it's alive it's going to be a
problem. Why? because of this new we
have two one is the says
that brings in who says that what
happened was they created this animal
that's what they were eating didn't
realize they had created the second is
they were eating that was removed
believe it or not I will end with this
thea
brings the and he asks on the said that
what happened They were eating this egg
that was created to say and there was no
problem with why was there no problem
because it was created to says the I
found the process
who wanted to say a different mahal and
his mahal wasn't maybe they were eating
but then he said it can't be because
there's a ra that says you never allow
to eat from an animal while it's alive
says the says the it's to me that that
is of would be true even if the animal
was created you want to tell me there's
no that I can accept but that you
shouldn't have then I can't accept and
if that's the case this wouldn't work
either because what are you going to
tell me it was Allah who was created but
you still going to have the