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Today's daf is
and we have nine lines from the bottom
of
so we're moving along in
which deals with
brought a very important mera from the
in the laws of rabb said
two number one if something that's such
as isa it's swallowed it's absorbed in
something else is the same is true said
rabb if is swallowed it's absorbed in
something else then it cannot become
said that the
is learned out from Tomasa
is learned
from there and a shakario all within the
realm of the but either way this up
until this point is two things
says theor
was asked with his he said you're coming
to and you're saying these two big
where's this
in the 10th parvo
if somebody swallowed a ring that was
tomasi
says that it came in contact with a mace
and we know the rule is
so if metal metal touches a mace, the
metal now gets the of a mace and it can
now be met and make someone that comes
in contact with it to m. So if somebody
a person swallows a tabas that had anas
mace is that person is now m as if he
would have touched the mace itself and
for that reason is to he has to go
through the and maybe even would need
from the and only afterwards he has to
go to the mikvah and be
and he's going to be able to eat why
he's the reason he's because he came in
contact with a tabas that came in
contact with a mace.
He has an a status of mace. If he spits
out the
iso,
he is going to be
and he's going to be tom again. The
point, however, what you see from this
mishna is that up until the point that
he spits out this tabas, he's not
considered to by virtue of the fact that
he's in contact with the tabas. Why does
it help if the tabas is still inside his
g for him to now go to the mikvah and be
able to eat chum if he still has tabas
inside of him he's still in when he
swallows it it's a problem when he spits
it out it's a problem if that's the case
when it's inside of him it should also
be a problem because at that point he's
in contact with the tabas which has
tumas m what do you see from here it
must be said because a he told you
you're saying a big kdish tomah it's not
such a big kesh in fact it's a furishna
So rebi what are you trying to say it's
saying overn everybody knows the mikv
and the second thing that rabbi said
which was
it cannot become that's also a it's the
same if somebody swallowed a
and he entered
and he went through the whole process
and then he spit out the
there's no problem meaning if somebody
swallows a that's and then he enters The
is the tabass itself never becomes t
meaning if the tabas was inside of him.
It's not going to become why not the
tabas is in the person who's in the let
the tabas become the ter is because the
tabas is and you see from here that
that's can't become again both that said
would seem to be
says
Just a little bit of an introduction
before we see exactly what the Gmorra
means to say and that is Rabba said that
really those two
there'd be two ways to understand. One
way to understand the Mishnas is
meaning you could understand that what
the Mish is saying is that
that's inside of somebody doesn't have
an ability to be mama. It's for that
reason that if a person swallows the
tabas that's he can go through the
regular process assume he's t only when
he spits it out that he comes into real
contact with it. When it's not anymore
is it an issue because
and as well. That's why if a person has
a tabas inside of him and he walks into
an island, it's not going to be. But
really, he said there's another way to
learn it. Maybe is maybe Tyra could
become. If that's the case, why is it
that if a person has a tabas that's to
inside of him, he's not to? Because how
do you become to it when you come in
contact with?
You have to come in contact with him.
Maybe the definition of contact is being
touching a part an external part of a
person. So if a doat touches an external
part of you then you become but if it
touches an internal part of you maybe
that's not enough for you to become.
It's what's known in the vernacular of
the tyra as tumas bas it could be if the
maga happened the bas stom in a hidden
place in an internal place it's not to
so rabb said like this it's true now
that I told you that
it's part that's what the mik means but
before I said this really there could
have been another way to understand the
mishna maybe the reason there's no toy
in the mak is not because the t doesn't
have an ability to be mama
Because it's belove could be matama.
Maybe the reason it's not mama is
because the maga is happening in
internally. What's it touching? It's
touching one of the internal organs.
That's called magarim. If it happens,
that's the reason it's not. What
difference does it make
is because it's a so there's a
or the bim there's no problem with the
problem is is that it's not considered a
gia what would be if somebody swallowed
two one was and one was and the two
touched each other inside if
doesn't have an ability to be mama if
doesn't have an ability to become so
that even though they're touching each
other in a regular
albeit in a funny place but in a in a
regular is there would be if however
there's a
then the is is that there'd be no way
for it to be says the you want to know
what was where was it
all I had was the mission I would have
thought that maybe in that case there is
going to be and the reason it's going to
be is Because at the end of the day it's
not magnus basum because although it's
happening in a basum but the two are not
touching each other in a in a way
they're touching each other in in the
regular way in the ordinary way
is not because of it's much more than
that it's because
no if that's the reason that even if the
two were together at the end of the day
they're both I can't be mama you you
can't receive for me and it's for that
reason that rabbi had to say his tokash.
So what does it have to do with our why
are we discussing rabb in the first
place? Because it relates back to our
mission. What did the Mishna say?
A woman who had a a child that died
inside her who pushed and the midwife
put her hand inside the of the mother
and she touched this. That's not alive.
So
she ate the is going to be is not going
to be
why is because she touched
like two
and still you see the is
if holds
why is the midwife when she touches the
uber the uber is balua it's bala inside
the mother so the gar understands that
that it should be a textbook
example of balour. What's bala? You
swallowed a tabas. You ate in a veil.
You're digesting the food. An uber is
balour inside her mother or his mother.
As a result, the uber is also bal and
still you see that the midwife becomes
to. Now if Rab was wrong and although
there's a Mishna that says a that if
somebody swallows a that's he doesn't
become but the reason that that is true
is because it's considered
our Mishna wouldn't be because our is
not and our Mishna
literally stuck her hand inside the
mother. As a result, it's a regular
manga. It's not if it's not basic.
But now that said
that the reason in the there's no is not
because of
it's a much more fundamental problem.
It's because the itself when it's
doesn't have an ability to if that's the
case.
I don't look at an Uber as being because
the Uber eventually is going to leave
the mother's and that eventually it's
going to leave the mother's. So it's for
that reason I don't consider that it's
not
it's not considerable
is going to be there forever eventually
is also going to leave the body of the
person
said
I heard from
also known as
the name
who said in the name of
the has nothing to do with realm of on a
biblical level, but rather everything
going on in the Mishna is on a rabbitic
level. It's says
what does he mean? That's pretty wordy.
Don't say
in the name said in the name of is going
according to
who says that in
we'll see what that means in a minute.
Even according to that says
again forget who's this is going to ask
the and I think by the time we're up to
the bottom of B of know who Raish are
but for now what we need the punchline
that Ra said just to explain the Mishna
and to answer the rabb is that the
reason in our Mishna the uber that's
dead is mama the midwife is not toa
it's tomal to doesn't have ability to be
the reason that the midwife is going to
be
it's a new
because we're worried that maybe the
Uber is going to stick its hand outside
of the praiser. Once it sticks its hand
outside of the praiser, it's considered
born at that point. It's not belua
anymore. If it's not, if it would touch
the midwife at that moment, the midwife
would be really mid should be no because
it's and if it's then the doesn't have
an ability to be the midwife. But that's
all true if it's what happens if it
sticks its head out and then it touches
the midwife. And now the midwife is
already tame. So we're splitting here
that if it's 100% inside the then it
doesn't have an ability to be matama. If
it's six outside of the then it does
have an ability to be matama. Sounds
like a perfect place for the to make and
said that even though if it's inside
you're right there's a whole voice
of I hear but at the same time it's
going to be awesome. That's the terret
the ter this is only but ask if this is
the case meaning the reason in our
Mishna the midwife is is because of
why is the right the Mishna said blood
of and now the midwife stuck her hand
inside the inside the midwife is the
woman is what's the difference between
the midwife and the woman you would
think based on rab that for the midwife
or there's a real maga. It's not bas for
the mother. It's a basar. But now that
you're telling me that it's all based on
oneras that there should be no
difference between the midwife and the
mother because just like you're making a
for the midwife, you should make for the
mother as well. Apparently, when the
mother's carrying the dead child, that
doesn't make her. But the moment it's
born, she would become tom. So if we're
worried about differentiating between
when the ubra is inside the mother and
outside the mother as it relates to the
midwife then the same should be true as
it relates to the mother as well. says a
woman knows the difference between what
it's inside of her and outside of her.
We don't have to make says
so if the woman's my gashes why can't
she tell the midwife oh one second the
baby's coming out and and as a result
you know be careful meaning the same
protection that you have for herself why
don't you have the says she says she's
just too busy being in pain and as a
result that's literally what means but
she's a she says she's busy with her her
labor and as a result it's not going to
happen therefore for the midwife who
doesn't have the sensation of Is the
baby inside or outside? Did we had to
make as it relates to the mother? We did
not have to make the so again according
to the is not mama. Technically the
should have no ability to be mat not the
mother. It shouldn't have an ability to
be mama the midwife either the you see
the midwife does become it's not all it
is is but when the gummorus brought this
the said that said I heard from who is
in the name of the name of who said that
is but he added a line he said
don't think the mission is going in
which case the mission would be telling
me rather is going according to even
according to and the means of it says my
who is this
time going to the
so the is going to bring several now in
the beginning of parish that talk about
that talk about and the is going to
bring
when it says
anyone that comes in contact with a mace
that was al was on the open field. We
learn from there
is the opposite of being in an open
exposed area. It's not and as a result
if somebody touches he's not
says
that
is not coming to be
but rather it's coming to be what's it
coming to be the is the top of the
coffin the are the walls of the of the
coffin that they too have their own
of says how
know
he knows from he doesn't need this for
that
who doesn't use
obviously he must have known from
somewhere else that
because otherwise how did he know that
the is coming the rabbi's girl maybe
it's coming like suggested
says
he must have known it from somewhere it
seems like he had an an objective
source that
and that's why he's learning
says he did have a source
in that same
learned as follows.
So the says
so we've had a few drawers like this
already this week.
Someone touches a mace that's
not
which is
what does it mean a mace that's inside
an oh must be an and the says right so
says
that
is going to be
what is in that he learns from
seems to have a nice
which is benef
Come and teach me a different
like the mace itself says and again
what's an example of a nephesh that's
not the itself but it's the
benef teaching me something not a m
that's in a nephesh but that the nephesh
if you have a a nephesh of a person
which is considered the of a personal is
you're going to be why does the way this
is
an often quoted because it comes up this
does not only when you're learning of
Tomas and the end of Nazer but every
time the garra brings the sh of mikra
and so there's a whole bunch of mar that
always brings this is one of them says
mason
that is but doesn't have to be from one
m even if it comes from two mason
how do you know that if you have
combined from two mason so one m
contributed a half a m contributed a
half re for example and now together you
have the reas how do you know it's
so mace is a is a rabb We learn from
there that two together.
The point is holds that the reve doesn't
have to come from one maze. It can come
from two mason the way he don
the of
that it's referring to because that is
written in doesn't say
it says
and if that referring to would have a
stero I would have one that says the re
has to be from bene have another p that
says
It's a stero forced to
differently how did he
not referring to a ram that he knows
from another and there he even knows a
big that can come from two mason
combined rather what the is coming to
teach me is that if you have a bish
is going to be the bottom line is is we
have a rabbi
specifically with regards to an uber
that died
in the womb of its mother. Is it now
Tommy Tomas that it should trigger the
beginning of parish or is it not
according to it's he learns it from the
is that it is
holds it's not he learns it from a as
well
meaning we have a shil That's the ra the
mice that's a more general shil that's a
shila that's of all of
magim
these are very fundamental coreis as it
relates to but we also have a very local
a very specific
between as it relates to and it's based
on in the beginning of parish when
in other words the
said that the Mishna is not referring to
but can also mean meaning not
necessarily it can also mean he wasn't
referring to
he was alluding to this
well we have a has an ability so at
first glance said you read the
and you see that a midwife who touches a
dead uber while it's in the mother is
going to be so it sounds like Raaka
said no
meaning of course the Mishna could be
Rabaka
Mishna usually is Raba but it doesn't
have to be Rabaka the Mishna could even
be Rabish have to be Rabish isn't that
the grace
in the way he dared all the in the
beginning of who held that doesn't have
ability because it says
yeah that's true on a biblical level
doesn't mean the only means with the
rabbi
said that once I heard from that the can
be to he said the mission is not a cash
on you either because even though rabbi
had a much more fundamental problem with
the rabb
is is never but just like we explained
the mishna
who said that doesn't have an ability
stating that the is referring to so too
as it relates to the more general issue
OF IT'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE at the end
of the day all means
it's
right doesn't have
stating that it will be
it's not getting easier that is in labor
and then it stuck its hand out
and the shed the hand of the Uber. So
what's the of that hand right now? It's
easy. If you check or you remove you
cut, you sever one a of a live animal.
At this point the animal was alive. I
mean it's
having a rough day but it's alive. So
and afterwards the mother is
the baser is to the ather is obviously
but everything else is going to be okay.
But the is that not only is the rest of
the animal
but it's also as opposed to being and
that's because we know that impacts an
animal in two ways. Number one, it makes
it. Number two, it also makes it
is one of the that the Torah talks
about. So comes up when you're learning
because it's an
NA also comes up when you're learning
because also stating that the the mother
is and the Uber that remained inside the
womb being that it had a is not going to
be Tom. It's only the which is going to
be user and that's going to be a problem
state that and the reason the sayingesh
is because being that the mother came in
contact with the a well that's the
assumption anyways so why don't you say
that the a which was cut which is now
the mother
is just like so why don't we say it's
mama the mother says the reason is
is you don't have to worry about that.
That's that's a it's it's it's not it's
na it's not it's not it's not an issue
because it could touch it from today
till tomorrow. A live animal doesn't
have an ability to become a live human
being could become obviously is dealing
with humans for the most part but as it
relates to live animals they can never
become thus this is not going to be a
what happens if first you shed the
mother and afterwards you cut that limb.
So you shed the mother while there was
one hand that was outside of the mother.
So number one we know that that hand is
also that's the first mission if it's
but if it was outside at the time of the
everybody agrees that's
going to be so now this one which is
in contact with the mother is the rest
of the animal now is going to be and the
reason is because once you the mother if
it's still touching
This a that's
so then the a being that it didn't
become was an a if it's an a it's also
the animal once you shed it the mother
that is is so if you sh the mother so
now you have to be worried about
because the mother came in contact with
that one a that had
no it's true that that one a is not
but even though it's doesn't have an
ability to givea
if it's doesn't that by definition mean
this no just like by a tra that had a
doesn't have to right what's the primary
difference between and also has to spoke
about this many times doesn't have to
see maybe this but there's no
there's no if you
could have one of the it doesn't matter
not going to be so
that it's true this one a that was
outside of the mother never became
but at the same time I don't look at it
as
it doesn't have the ability to be are
you going to tell me if it's doesn't
that by definition mean it's a no
there's precedence for that the
precedence for that is going to be the
in other words
you find it by so maybe it's going to be
the same over Raor
mayor who argued mayor said no if this
is I look at it as noa I don't look at
it as he said how you comparing the tofu
I understand a tra when you the being
that you'reing the animal itself so I
understand why the even though it's not
going to be m the end of the day it's a
tra but at the same time I understand
why it's met from tumas
But
but this is already a little bit
different. This is different because
this is the a of the uber and being that
it's the aver of the uber maybe the of
the mother doesn't have an ability to be
an a of an which is a
to say that it shouldn't have to so it's
not a perfect
I understand you find precedence for the
idea of
and at the very least removing the but
that's when it's the same go being that
over here we're dealing with the a of an
which is a different maybe over here
it's going to be different either way
one thing you see from the you see that
if you the even though it doesn't make
the
but at the very least it's
why do you know that a is meaning how do
you know that when the works at the very
least and if anything the garra says I
can argue
a non- kosher animal is
although it's a kosher animals
just like doesn't work to be from
so the same should be true for right
somebody it's still going to be doesn't
work so why does the work for a traf
says no
is different because it never was kosher
a wasn't born a tra since it had a
shaser you always find this in sha is
always a good thing It's a
so even though right now it's not like
that's why the is going to work at the
very least from the says
take back what you brought. It's an
expression.
What if the baby was born a
so you're going to tell me it's
different? He said no it's still
difficult
by it's never possible that entire
species is excluded from the
difference right but at the end of the
day tra this animal happens to be a tra
but most animals are not traers right we
know there's a behav
that are not traers so you have the
majority of that aren't tra
that's why even for this one where the
doesn't work to be but the very least is
going to work to be says one final
if an animal gives birth to a baby
that's a benina it's a pro it was born
in the proverbial 8th month meaning it
was born premature the understanding and
the assumption is that this baby animal
will not be able to live as a result
it's viewed when it's born as an aa so
even if it's a kosher animal and you now
do aita
because there's no such thing as this
premature animal being able to live.
Thus, we look at as an avail as soon as
it's born and even if you do a proper
afterwards, the is not going to work.
You can see from the Mishna, the kind of
daff that are that we have ahead of us
over the next few days. But either way,
exhale. So, just to go back to some of
the raid that we spoke about yesterday.
So we've been learning that deal with a
mahameashle then uh an isha that has an
different related to an so we digressed
yesterday and we spoke a little bit
about abortion in meaning is is it okay
for a woman to kill a fetus that she is
carrying? So we said that at first
glance is a mission.
The mission over there talks about
different that go into effect as soon as
a child is born.
One of the things the Mishna says is
that if somebody kills this he's going
to be it sounds like from the Mishna
that only once
is there
if somebody kills the but up until the
point that this child is born there is
no stating that
was discussing the
we know doesn't have mitzvah he has
mitzvah one of the mitzvah is and The
Gomorra there brings a a was found in
the where the different is with regards
to
as it pertains to
said this that their
would kill a fetus he would kill an
he would be
because he violated one of the
so on the one hand says
Sounds like only
and here
it says
killing says at first glance I would say
is talking to and
is talking to the problem is if that's
the case it comes out
and we know the says
it's not possible that A y should be
more than that than a y should be more
cooler than a guy. Except if that's the
case if a [ __ ] for killing how could he
not be says you have to say that it's
true really
is not going to be for killing it's but
at the same time says one line
however
it's true it's true and that's what the
mission says that it's only
but as it relates to being that's going
to be why is it going to be Because and
if you find that by
it means that by definition it has to be
as well. Now the truth is is a very
detailed and lengthy discussion in the
piskin how exactly to walk away from tus
because all t said is and and it's very
very subtle language.
What does mean? What is
it? Is it
is it at the very least?
Does it fall into one of the ten
commandments? Is it considered
like how do you view this?
And the truth is it's a discussion the
place some place going to say means yeah
he means it's
and just means the best can kill the
person but there's going to be if you
want a nice welcome take a look in the
in the beginning of par but either way
that
yeah could be the person's even
there's opinions that are in the
complete opposite of the spectrum who
hold that just means
It's
you would have said it's there are
others that argue even a bigish and that
is that the ra clearly did not hold of
this I'm sorry from different places as
that the ra didn't didn't hold and so I
want to say that according to the ra who
doesn't even hold a mikd won't even be
an iss but the point is leaves us saying
clearly it's user to kill an ober but at
the same time's lion is a unclear and b
very very soft tus says
it doesn't even say
it's not and this is important language
because it plays itself out in some of
the the
shas where sometimes actually have to
sit down and opine whether it's okay
to do an abortion either way yesterday
we spoke out a tr from the a from
and then a tr from
the specific sh that theor was asked was
with regards to an as that was misana
and then she found out that she was
pregnant and she wanted to abort the
child and the question was is it okay to
abort the child or not said I don't know
what the fact that she was an has to do
with anything I mean to me all it can
mean is the child's going to be a mom a
fact says
that
so if you're asking me a can be very
very so why why should it make any
difference so said I'm looking at the
sha as if it was a the sh that was
presented to us is it okay to abort the
child he wrote a said absolutely
positively no
said that
he says no I think that when the asked
about an h that was mazan he was coming
from a very specific angle and went
ahead and wrote an unbelievable truva
where he said that of course is right
it's not okay to just go ahead and to
abort the child however in a case where
ancient silan there's a maybe why it
should be Okay. Not maybe asking that
it's okay and that is because
that was
and if she was carrying a child they
would have killed her together with the
child. So you see from there that this
mother and the child areas
if they are they have a
then there's no is to kill them. They
can kill themselves. It's maybe even a
mitzvah of says for them to kill
themselves. But the bottom line is it's
not so he says if it's not maybe the
bottom
she would have been killed maybe in this
case it's going to be fine. So it says I
agree with the truth of the that it's
not okay primarily based on
albeit soft language but it's a at the
end of the day no one no one's going to
argue with ais but as relates to this
particular shila I think there's a
there's a nuance he said there
brought the then he brought and he said
that even though was was from
you can't look at this and then again we
said yesterday that it's Shva chuva
sharp on ramisha standards raisha chuvas
are so soft so it's a little sharper
than than a typical ramshva but either
way said that the reason he's speaking
sharply and dramatically is because of
what recently has been going on in
democratic countries referring of course
to the supreme court decision in 1973
row versus wade where they legalized
abortion in the United States of America
felt it's a because every abortion
and I don't the fact that there's a a
cha like this from is you know creates a
little bit of a slippery slope and a kos
in this whole area of and I have to stop
it and as a result said I'm saying what
I'm saying
and we have to stop there stating that
there's a lot more to this chuva and
really and really the second part of
this begins I think with a chuva in the
shuv
which was written by the beneskai so the
beneskai wrote a of truous he has a few
shuv one of them is called rafoll this
is a ebanzer
and the shila that was presented to the
is the same exact sh that was presented
to the and it's the same exact
that discussed in histo
months pregnant she was carrying the
child. Butlan the child was a momser cuz
she was an haz that was mis and the
question that was asked to the ben is
bad dad was is it okay for this woman to
abort the child or was it not okay to
abort the child
says any
he says I'm not going to tell you what's
I'm not gonna tell you what's
all I'm going to do is I'm going to
present to you what the already spoke
about and there's three paragraphs in
the first paragraph he says
and came out that it's the second
paragraph
initially was asked the same exact
question and he came out that it was so
immediately says I'm not going to opine
but I'll present the facts to you number
one is your son is also okay so there's
a lasser
is to be then he adds a third paragraph
and this is very very important. He says
there was a
he says the was a one of the early he
said he wrote a where he discussed a
woman who had a
there was no there was no like the rama
we spoke at yesterday but there was just
a for her to abort the child and the
Marit wrote a whole discussing whether
it's okay or whether it's not okay. He
says he wrote this in
either way
and he says in the test I think he said
it's it's
so based on that
then in this case if this is going to
give birth to this child it's not her
husband's child's going to be a mom
there's going to be a tremendous
embarrassment for the family
could be
I think that maybe is so in addition to
having that you can maybe rely on to be
mate that was
but at the same time there's another
sniffler out there and that is the marit
where the marit said that if there's a
for the mother you could abort a child
phenomenal
says says the banish
I think this is a why again quote
either way it's a short he says bottom
line he writes
I'm not telling you anything of my own
I'm not going to tell you but he had an
opinion but he
show
and I'd rather somebody else tell you
what to do.
That's the so the was presented with the
same exact
and he didn't want to write a he said
what I'll do is I'll present facts to
you on the one hand and we know that so
was
but I could bear another said the and
that is the said
you could be m killing the this is a
there's a there's a bizar
There's over here and being that over
here I think these would be to be m as
well
the
rahudzar
valdenberg wrote three chuvas about
abortion the first cha that he wrote is
a test the second chuva that he wrote is
in
the third chuva that he wrote is in
it's I think it's to go through The
chuva that he wrote and the chuva that
he wrote. Both of those chuvas were
written to professor Dr. mayor who was
the manali of the shared hospital in
either way venberg in addition to being
one of the right everyone knows the sha
alzar but he was also considered an
expert in in medicine and yafua medical
ethics and a lot of the protocols that
are followed in the hospitals and
followed the guidance of valdenberg
so either way this doctor mayor was
asking shas about abortion and exactly
how to deal with you know different
questions that come up in the hospital.
The shila that he wrote on in giml was
with regards to a woman who was told
that she's carrying a baby that has
tacax disease. Now we do darim to try to
prevent tax but you know this was a
child that's carrying that had the tasax
disease and he goes on to describe in in
detail the the symptoms of tayax and the
mitsas is is that the child that's born
can't live past the age of four or five.
The child is going to live with
tremendous
and the shil that was asked was is it
okay to abort this child or is it not
okay to abort this child. So Valdenberg
in the beginning of the chuva gives you
the end of the chuva. So we'll do the
same thing comes down he says it's mut.
He said not only is it mut he said it's
mut up until the seventh month. So up
until the seventh month of pregnancy it
would still be okay to abort this child.
So what's the what's what's the I mean
there's no risk to the mother there's no
issue of of over here you don't have of
being mis says the tit says I'm going to
base this on the chuva of the banish who
based his
on a chuva of the of the marit which
says that if there's a god to go ahead
and do an abortion it's something that's
going to be okay says the says, "But
first we need to clarify a few things.
Most
places
it's only a
according to many." And he said it's for
that reason that my was because if he
held it was real over here how would he
have ever been m so based on that based
on that says that I
He goes on to explain graphically theim
that this family is going to have to
endure because of the state of the fears
that this child is going to be in. He
says that this outcome of the birth of
this child, the side effects, the is
much worse than what the Benes discussed
as he says there's never been a truver
written that ever describes side effects
of a lea that can compare to the side
effects that this family is going to
have to endure as a result of this child
being born. So it says that it's to me
based on the who said
based on the who said it and by the way
when he goes through this he says that
if you very carefully
that one of the things said was I quote
so he says even
already alluded to this he says the
bottom line is I think it's something
that's okay and it being that this is
something that's okay
bottom line is he was mate and he said
it's going to be okay up until the
seventh month. Now the truth is that the
fact that he said it's up until the
seventh month seems like onto itself and
he doesn't really support it. He doesn't
have a mccart to that in fact that even
in the Supreme Court ruling rode so when
they said that abortion is legal so up
until what point is abortion legal? So
the language that was used, although
it's a little bit unclear, is up until
the point of fetal viability, which most
commentaries of the Supreme Court ruling
understand to be somewhere between 22
and 24 months. So this is in the fifth
or sixth month. 22 24 weeks. Fifth or
sixth month. Here we have Raldenberg who
said up until the seventh month, it's
going to be M. This is more than Row
versus Wade. What's the because again
your vener will tell you that 22 to 24
months 22 to 24 24 weeks and fetal
viability this is craz
like the said he's doing anything fetal
viability he looked at it from the
perspective and from the perspective the
way saw it was is that by the seventh
month there are certain aim of the fetus
that are fully developed and he felt
that up until the point that some are
fully developed it's still going to be
okay once there or at least some that
are fully developed that's when it's not
okay that's his logic and as a result he
said up until the seventh month I'm
going to I'm going to be mus now this is
the chuva that wrote in and it was with
regards to pesax and again pesax is a
very unique diagnosis and that we know
for sure that the child is going to have
gerim the child will not be able to live
a productive life and the child is going
to live he writes in this truth up until
the age of approximately four and it was
based on that that he said it's going to
be okay. But there was another chuva
that he wrote and it's sort of a
followup and this is not this is
and it's so the first one's
102. This one is a it's
101. And again this was written to Dr.
Mayor as well. And this sh is a little
bit different. This shila was with
regards to a woman who did a sonogram
and they found different diagnosises and
you have to know the specific diagnosis
but it's not nearly as hummer as tax
with tax he said he wrote his trou so
this was what if it's not so what if
it's not on that level meaning it could
be something that's going to take a
tremendous toll on the family and the
child will definitely have challenges
some of which will affect perhaps the
life expectancy of the child as well but
the point is it's not on the level of
case sex and this was the sh is it okay
or not okay now it's actually
interesting because there were two
shilas that were asked the first shil
that Dr. mayor asked was is would it be
okay to abort a child like this? And the
second child that he said was assuming
it's not okay and that's certainly the
assumption. Then what should I allow
these sonograms and these these tests
that are done to even be done? The
reason not is because maybe this
because maybe if we're going to do the
test for a secular woman who doesn't
keep so maybe I have to be concerned
that she's going to find out that this
child that she's carrying is you know
it's going to be there's going to be
it's going to be a tremendous challenge
and she may elect to to do a legal
abortion in the state of Israel. So that
was that was there even a naivver
component meaning
that you can't abort such a child. So
maybe I have to worry. This is a
hospital that's being run up. So maybe
we have to worry. You can't even do
these tests because maybe these tests
are going to lead to lift. So as it
relates to the naiv
something we spoke about in the
beginning of and that is
says in that the only time
is if you know 100 is
how the p can bring these lus and these
that we learned together to real life.
He says the only time you have to be
worried about this is if you know 100%
sure that an a is going to be done. But
if you don't know 100% that the a is
going to be done then there's no problem
of lifting. So said do you know for sure
that the a is going to be done? Number
one you're going to take the test and
rub the ruba of children the test comes
out fine. So sharing is going to be fine
when you do the test and based on that
you don't have to worry because most
likely there's not even going to be a
sh. Now there is a mut of of times that
there is a sha maybe this person will
want to abort the child. Let every
person elect to do an abortion obviously
and and then see even if they decide
this is what he wrote that they want to
do an abortion maybe the abortion will
be mut cuz I'm not telling you
unequivocally that it's awesome
some shila with the with the health of
the child ask a shila and maybe it's
going to be okay says Raldenberg You
hear what I'm telling you? He writes so
beautifully. He says,
he say, I was very careful with
right. I emphasize
meaning I told you ask because although
I can't tell you unequivocally like I
did regarding the tax disease that it's
mut but as it relates to I can't I can't
tell you it's either because sometimes
it's going to be mut. Why would it
sometimes be mut? and revaldes over the
truth that he wrote albe it much more
the a bridge version and he says because
I already told you that if there's a
based on a a one liner and a from the
and
you're allowed to go ahead and do this.
So if that's the case, this could be a
case of as well. And he brings a story
he says that happened with him where
there was a young couple that came to
him and he said they had two children
that were that were born with some
diagnosis and they both died and after
the second child died the woman the
mother was very traumatized and as a
result she was afraid to have any other
children and she didn't want to be with
her husband theos and it was affecting
their shias and the whole family was
falling apart and and something very
very terrible was happening. He says
they came to him to talk to him. So if
Alder brick said like this he says you
know what I told him I says you should
try to have another child and you should
go for the test and if it comes back
that it's not OKAY I'LL BE MOCKED WITH
THE ABORTION THAT'S WHAT HE DID TO save
the family and he says she became
pregnant and they went and they took the
test and the child live and it's a
gazint he said but it all worked because
of my so he says I'M TELLING YOU IS THIS
NOT A he unbelievable IS THIS NOT I
SAVED THE FAMILY SO OF COURSE this was a
he says either way then he says that
somebody told him he writes this in
parenthesis that somebody told him that
maybe there's a pab not to do this if he
says somebody told him that alaba
there's an idea that when children are
born with certain you know illnesses
that it could be in these the special
and they have a so you know maybe you're
not supposed to get involved in in in so
maybe let the child be born and what do
you if wants this family to have this
child why are you starting up with that
so he says it's true he's not arguing
with that But he says you have you can
never mix and match and
for that
is actually a fascinating chuva. It was
written to the trrist where apparently
it was far away. He comes back to the
and the and there was a everybody came
to greet the
and they all came to him and he comes
and it was apparently he come from
overseas and he walks they make this big
suda and at the suda he gets up and he
makes a
to and there was a big to people started
getting very angry at the at the he said
if you don't make at night make a taste
you don't make it at night they love
them they what do you mean what can the
carbon you couldn't bring at night
only how CAN YOU AND BESIDES you do it
when you get an aliyah you get an aliyah
you know or gala and then you go ahead
you bang at least somebody else gets
right you start in front OF A SAFE
ATTIRE says you're going to the m of and
then this told and by the way when we're
on the topic of theb going I've seen you
do other things because apparently the
reb had a the had a nephew that was on
his best and and they were mad together
and now together either way the the
trrist sent to the wanted to know from
am I wrong what I'm doing am I not right
what I'm going either way first wrote a
cha about n then he wrote a chuva about
having your nephew as being you get
which was wrong. He said that's not
something you're allowed to do. He gave
him very he said that's that's not the
right thing to do. But then at the end
he writes like this. He says I want you
to know that you know what is saying
that if it's true that that that you
know you have you can't be mazenhogen is
a very important thing and he says he
talks about it all the time. That's what
wrote. But he said one thing I will tell
you that if they were timing that the
minhagen that you were violating were
more in the world of
meaning you were following the BUT WHAT
YOU WERE DOING wasn't listen what says
he says that there's a
he said when it comes to play on words
comes to
you can't mix it together
You're mixing and matching. You're
mixing.
So that's not something you're allowed
to do. So it says I'm not of course it's
true and these areas
but you ask me I'm writing a tru and as
it relates to you can't be of these
things. The bottom line is this is what
revaldberg wrote. Raalberg said that as
it relates to the tax disease, he said
it was mut up until the seventh month
beyond the state of quote unquote fetal
viability as it relates to other
diagnoses he has to ask and the has to
know the family has to but the point is
there are times when it's going to be
okay
after he brings
and says
he says I'm skipping
I was amazed
when I saw from he doesn't want to say
who it was.
It was written to the man the CEO of
hospital
which is by the way a giveaway because
who else has giml in the truth wanted
you to know it was but he didn't want to
mention his name says it's written in
more than three months.
He was
But what he failed to mention did
writing
he said that was
not true was he was then he writes he
wrote matter that the was
even though he said it's awesome what
did mean because there was one line we
said
He wrote
he says
but at the same time what else does it
mean
that there's
so it's true
but how do you ask him based on that
clearly implying that to say it's the
like comes out he was only m at the end
of the day because of of Gabri was the
tru Paul and as it relates to the truva
of the beneskai that he quoted what did
the benesk did the benai in that chuva
he said he didn't even pass him
he was afraid to pass it so he says at
the end of the day I don't understand he
said based it out of marit wrote two
chuas one chu he said it's there's
another tru he said it's a so I he said
then said
sounds like there's many lesser And he
SAID THE BENES MAY NEVER ASK IN THE
BENES. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. HE presented it
clearly this I'm not saying there's no
such but at the end of the day how could
you be come out with things that are
when it comes to says and this is the
final that we'll end with.
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