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Today's
and we are nine lines from the bottom of
today's being learned as a for
so we're moving along at the beginning
of the fourth
real
the topic of which discusses an
incredible
and that is that in the event that a
she's a female behemoth and there was an
uber inside the of the behem at the time
of the tal is that not only is the m the
mother but the is m the uber as well we
mentioned that the mar is a in paras
that talks about the simon of a kosher
animal it says
The racial of the mentions the of the
mentions
what's that the that's inside the of its
mother is going to be when in the event
it was a on the mother we'll see a lot
more about that drussa in the latter
part of today's talk but that's the
general background and context to the
and to the sugasha.
Now, as it relates to the first, it
pivoted around the Mishna that said that
in the event that there was a
Bahamashle, there was a behem that was
literally about to give birth. And at
that time the was also about
and at the time of the at the time of
the uber stuck out its hand and then
immediately withdraw. So the Mishna said
you're going to be allowed to eat the
rafter
after further review we saw it was
and what exactly
means Rav said that means that you're
allowed to eat the meaning despite the
fact that it was
but that
of the does not constitute a as a result
we still view the as
and it's for that reason it's
of the and if you would want to eat it
you'd be allowed to eat it but as it
relates to the itself the is
even though it with true it would still
be and said it's based on a
And
something we spoke a lot about in
yesterday's but according to Rav when it
says
it means everything but that was
said that
means not only the but it means the
itself is a
so
is not necessarily
to the I there was a that mentions the
and the says
that the is that being that we compare
this is to the tra once a tra always a
tra so to as it relates to this is you
would say the same thing the gmorra said
I hear in fact the garra said why was
the one that said over the name but the
bottom line is as it relates
We have two according to it's also
means everything other than the
according to
means everything even the now one thing
we made a big deal about yesterday which
will play itself out again in today's
and that is that's in the event that the
took place while the Uber's hand was
outside the of the mother for sure that
and would not be included in the hat of
the and then for sure it would be
everything other than the Mishna however
said so right now at the time of the
hand was in the hence we have a
hence it's not so it's not a universally
accepted that the hand won't be m
what is it in this
now at first glance what is the
background of this is the
which the means as we spoke about
yesterday but there's another to be had
over here that says
once BA leaves it be it the
we spoke so much yesterday in the raid
about be the
inim but there's an idea of
seems to subscribe to this
not so much.
It's a good kasha. It's such a good
kasha that the gumar didn't even say
kasha which means I hear the gumar said
either way the now is going to begin
with another version of this
and so the affformentioned version which
was the entire first of makasha was the
way that the used to learn this
in in now we're going to see the way
they used to learn this
init
as follows
there's a concept of
hold
there's no such thing as now Rashi
clarifies that That's posh. Everybody
agrees that's the first of the first
mission of that if all the did was
one of its that
meaning that's posit that if all that
was born was an a it's not considered a
lea for the entire oper. However, Rav in
Marava is of the opinion that the aited
the body that itself is considered to be
born as if to say this animal is
partially born and partially not born.
Whatever was
born and whatever is still not is not
going to be born. But
says no such thing. You can't have a le
only on one. Either the Uber is an Uber
or they was already born. But it's
impossible for it to be both. What's the
point of this? It's the same essentially
in terms of how to learn the Mishna be
it in a different that holds.
So he says that when the says
means everything other than the why not
the yad was born already and once it's
born it's not ah it's back inside the
that would be the equivalent of an
animal being born and then somehow you
put the animal back into the mother
everybody agrees you wouldn't have
that
the mother and being that
once there at that point it's already
going to be too late
so therefore
Even the ether is a no it's not
considered a not for the entire Gulf
also not for the as well says the way
learns the what's the between the two is
there
between the way they say over the
in the way they said over the init
they said over the arguing in the
is
learning that the
is there if it's based on that more
general or it's based on soar says there
is and that is
would be what would happen if the
was but not all of its it was only some
of its or just from
where of the where only of it remained
inside. If all you would have is the
then you would say whatever it was
if however
when it comes to there's a concept of in
fact we're going to learn more about the
coming up but in the world of beas
wherever it's
right but in the world of leo You don't
need that the entire child should be
born in order for it to be considered
born. But as long as was born that in of
itself would be okay. One of the areas
in that
features prominently is when it comes to
so says the if the is
that and nothing else. So whatever was
whatever not not if the was so that yeah
the remain is still I
who cares
there's no to the to say oh of the went
out so if the went out no whatever went
out went out whatever remained remained
but if there's a concept of there is to
the a because an a can have a le and
then you would say rub that if that a
was already born quote unquote It's as
if the entire thing was born. So there
actually is
meaning according to
it's nothing. It's nothing whether you
go with the Babylonian or you go with
the western either way it's not going to
make a difference where is in according
to if all you have is
so only that
they used to say that is more than that
holds
it's more than
by the way the assumption would be that
also holds
we saw it's already
doesn't hold.
But the point is
it's more than that. is actually a
would be to the extent that went out if
all
you have there. We're not going to go
past this, but it is mentioned that the
way we just learned the
is what's the between yesterday's
and the way they learned it. Every
single
they have a whole different
understanding of what the means when it
says they have a whole different
understanding of what the even means
according to almost all the it's not
it's not. And when the garra says is
obviously not asking between the two but
this is way beyond the scope of uh what
we need to do today
according to the holds that it's the
great
what would be if the was then it
withdrew
until if you would add up all the
that it was it would emerge that of the
actually exited the what's do we say
enough at this point we can go ahead and
we can aggregate all the proverbly
speaking so that now you're going to
have already a and to the extent you
have a it's considered that there was a
a so now the of the mother is not going
to work for the anymore
or maybe no I mean each one was nothing.
So 0 plus 0 plus 0 plus 0 plus 0 equals
0. So the question is do we aggregate
all of them or do we not aggregate all
of them? Now the is
why because if the old
then it's part to the would be
considered a because then it's not 0
plus 0 plus 0 then it's 1 plus 1 plus 1
plus 1 plus one. just to speak out the
the still a little bit of a and when
says that the only
time he was it's considered a a but the
bottom line is you never had
out at the same time to say on but being
that each a when it left the body was a
le so it's a of a lea so I could say 1
plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 plus one on of the
so you're going to end up having by the
way has but once you have the
so then you're going to end up saying
that
but if you hold it's not one plus one
plus one plus one it's 0 plus 0 plus 0
plus 0 plus 0 0 it's over that has or
maybe not says the other side is that
it's true each one individually is a
zero but once it tax to arrive and maybe
you're ready I don't look at it as
Now I'm seeing up a
mitarf all these individual leases which
in themselves are nothing but once I I
see a bigger picture so maybe they could
bear that it should be a of the
says if you're going to tell me keep on
that if you hold a you can't even start
all these different
what would be if the was and then the
guy went and he chopped it off
and then he
And he chopped it off again. Not just
until now you have a right what's the
over there m do we say
at this point
for sure it's
now why would you say this is different
because over here it wasn't over here it
was and the fact they have all these
sitting on the side of the mess over
here in the so that means that for sure
that lead had some sort of that's had
some sort of k as a result we would say
that roy
If it is
the mother that remains inside is not
going to be
or maybe no you have to have if you look
at the last
says something says regarding
this really you can clare even if you
because being that the ising
now or the piece of the gar is when you
went ahead and you chopped up the so is
to say that even if you hold yes but
maybe that's only true if all the are
intact but to the extent that you went
ahead and you chopped them up even
though each individual aa was considered
a so based on that it's one plus one
plus one so I can add it up and if I
have a I could say that even the mim is
going to be considered
but maybe I need them all to be if
they're not all here maybe it's not
going to work so the of the sh of the
inim of
and is going to be a little different
but at the end of the day interestingly
says that even though it's an on the
first and the first
but you should know FYI I could hear
this even
but either way says as it relates to the
second I think we could be pushing it
from somewhere where this is not such a
wild could be we could be pushing it
from our Mishna so the Mishna
had said, and this was really the second
part of the Mishna, that in the event
that the and he cut some of the of the
while the Uber was still inside the
mother and then heeded the mother.
Meaning ordinarily if you cut off an a
from a live animal it's but to the
extent that you cut off the a left it
and then the mother then is
the of the mother
is going to work
the said that in the event that
the would go and do the same exact thing
to the mother herself or just any animal
and leave those parts of the animal
inside even though it's behem.
But in that case, it's already going to
be and then the mish concluded with a
rule.
Anytime you cut a part of the animal
that's part of the of the animal and you
leave it there, you don't have the
rule of
is going to work for everything that's
inside of it. If what you cut was a part
of the then yeah, by the way, this is
why should it be this way? If there's
so just like the inside the mother even
though it's once you chop it to pieces
but it's the mother. So if it's the
spleen or the kidneys or some other
organ why wouldn't you say the same
thing? It's going to be the gumar's cash
later in the d. But the bottom line is
that that was the rule of the mishna. So
theor says that from the fact that it
says
we know the rule is wherever it says
it's coming to be something. Now first
glance if you didn't know that rule. So
you would say that what is coming to say
it's just a nice summation of the
Mishna. The Mishna says that a chopped
up part of the uber inside the at the
time is it loses the is a chopped up
part of the mother that is not but it
can't be because we know always coming
to something and specifically we want to
know that
right that's the part that we need now
that's not clown what exactly is it
coming to be marb says the gammor So we
have to come up with something. We have
to make something up, right? It's not
the because that we know anyways. So
what's it coming to be?
Maybe it's coming to be
it's coming to be
which in the event that you had an that
was
one at a time and every time you went
ahead and you chopped it off and there's
a mute inside and now you go ahead and
you sh the mother and you want to know
if the is going to work for the mute.
What's the sad? Because maybe there was
already a where was the was already
born. So even the mute is born or maybe
not
that if you have pieces in this case of
mute there's pieces that's in the mother
it's going to be so we're not all these
different to say that there's a so is
this like a straight up riot not even
close but at the end of the day we have
we have to be it can't be the so it has
to be some maybe this is what it is so
the says if you're ready willing to go
down that and something that I'll give
you a different
maybe it's coming to be the infamous
which we saw a little bit about in
yesterday's we'll see more about it even
in the course of today's daf and
certainly in coming doin but what's the
kara it's talking about where a para
which is a kosher animal somehow was
pregnant and gave birth with an animal
that doesn't have seam on him that a
kosher doesn't have split hoofs right
that's what k means says
could be the coming that the
is of the mother. This is all in the
world of holds
that is so ordinarily gives birth to a
even though the mother is quote unquote
Jewish kosher right the child is not
going to be
that's only true
but in the event that
it's going to be that's what is coming
to be that
but as it relates to this
The bottom line is we leave our with aa
we leave it with a shila. We do not have
a a resolution. And this really
concludes the very first part of today's
daf which was really the conclusion of
yesterday's daf. Another version the way
rashi learns the suga of the is we have
the babylonian version. We have the
western version. We even know what the
nafamina is. And the had a couple of
shilas. first one
and the second one
with an false attempt of
the next part of the D and really from
here until the two dots close to the
bottom of the is going to bring threeas
threeas that are all related to the
sugour the first is going to be
the second is going to be Ilfa of Ila
fame's ibaya And the third one is going
to be obviously if this is of so many
asked the first question.
What would be in the event that there
was a
like the case of our Mishna? But it just
so happened this took place in Nazar.
Now why would it happen in you right
has to be in right so somebody wasing
and it was
what's the do we say that the iser the
is of the having exited the mother is
going to be in effect or is it not going
to be in effect the fact that it was is
that a problem or is that not a problem
so meaning the whole first
would that relate over here in this case
or maybe being that it's in all of a
sudden it's going to be different. Why
would it make it if it's an get ready
for the do we say that being that is ach
right when you're dealing with which is
obviously what we're dealing with over
here because by the way you can't even
bring so obviously we're dealing with
when you're dealing with so the is
if it's
so it's so being that the a is a so we
see as if the
is taking place within a here's the
point. So even if the Uber is it was out
of a but into another.
So maybe we say amigo what we always
refer to as the other amigo that being
that is a this second with regards to
all the maybe
so it's going to be considered a
side
it's true it's a
regarding the
is the mother and it left the mother so
if it left the mother it's not going to
be considered
So the has this wild
and that is what would be in the event
that was within do we say maybe it's
still
or do we say no way it's very nice
that's a for that but what is that
have to do with this
and he followed up with him he told him
he said why do you only ask your
question was in that's like a superimp
Why didn't you clar
the behemoth was mashle
and it was in
and then you went to the azara so we're
dealing with kachen right you went to
the azara and you did it over there and
we should have the same exact shil
whether the of the mother is going to
help for the child or not going to be
there for the child now why would this
also be a valid shila this would be a
valid chila Because
has a of as relates to being able to eat
it. The makita of column is but the of
column is so really this muck to say
that if the was anywhere in could be
it's not considered do not
and the reason is because it was it from
a but into another and maybe saying
of this animal so it's to be considered
a to say that even though
It wasn't really outside in the saf
in a case where it was
you could have asked the shilah where it
did happen in it happened even
that's true but is also and by the way
even forum
is a
but
is a as well so wanted to know why
didn't you ask that said I know why not
why didn't you ask him
because you're going to say what is it's
two different
here too it's also no truth is again
this is a little bit of extra credit
this is more in the lus of but you have
to know why
really wanted to ask the question of
more than just
the
And not just that is like telling from
the fact that you didn't ask the
it's you know the answer the answer is
because so if it's the answer to your
question is also I don't know if I was I
would say I could have asked the
question by it's the same exact question
and just like I'm not sure in the that I
asked it I'm not so sure I would have
noted it in that usually when you find
this signon
It's
why didn't you ask the kasha in the more
obvious way and there's an obvious
reason why you didn't ask the kasha in
the more obvious way that obvious reason
cut and paste you could apply it to your
sh as well I know to me they both sound
like the identical shan doesn't know the
answer to this he would know the answer
to that either it's a little bit soft
getting more of the lumbness of but
either way this is
the first of the three wanted to Oh,
if it was
do you say that once you have it's going
to be considered as well and not by the
way the we mentioned in yesterday's do
makes a very big deal about this that
you see from here that the gather of the
which is the basis
and the gather of the
that you find
in the world of such as are the same
because one is
and the other one is a more
then for sure
from the fact that Ethan has it's not
the same
it's going to be
so it's the same of this is all part of
that girl that we mentioned yesterday
says the gum the second
ila posed the following question and
before's question we need a tiny bit of
an introduction so in yesterday's the on
the bottom of
and on the top of that
brought a ba that mirror the mishna albe
it a longer version of it there were
four different cases of the yesterday's
we needed the first two forl we need the
fourth the fourth case was where there's
a a behem
And the was
then while the of the was outside the
went and shed the mother and and only
afterwards did he chop off the hand. In
other words, the hand was outside when
he went and heeded the mother. The
question is as follows. That's that the
was outside at the time of the is off
limits.
That's not a suglonian
version and not in the western version.
That's part of according to everybody.
That's going to be a problem. The
question is what about the rest of the
or the rest of the mother even what's
the over there and that was it was
the said
holds all the is now going to be and the
reason is because that was outside which
was outside of the is considered na is
not only
so any bus that's now touching the isa
is going to
that. No, we don't look at it as that's
pushing it already. We look at it as we
look at it as something that had a but
what's the mush of something that had a
that's what a tra is and as result is
that the rest of the that's in contact
with it is not now going to be. So is
according to the that hold that when you
go ahead and you do a
and there's
that's outside of the behemoth even
though the doesn't work but at the same
time it's not going to be a which means
that really as much as it's true
universally accepted all the synonyms
that we mentioned earlier that this
doesn't work for that yan it's a little
bit
It doesn't work for the for it to become
but it works for it a little bit for it
now to be as if to say the is not mate
but at the same time it's met because
when aita doesn't work at all when aita
just falls flat on its face so then you
have from the fact that you don't have
over here that means that in as much as
it's true the is not working it's only
that it's not working but it really is
and that's where the remains
We ask according to the there is a
little bit of it's going to be okay. So
again with that background
what would be if there was a we're going
back to not now and
was on him and he
and then he's about to and the all of a
sudden the
what's the what's the sh do we say now
that the
that he was mighty
Is going to be or is it not going to be
in other words that's part that goes
without saying that being that it was
sim at that point the second you didn't
have a good to be mired you had one sim
where the y was inside one sim where it
was outside
is not a and as a result that's part
that if you're going to want to eat it
you're not going to be able to eat it
the
Now again we mentioned three times right
the is going to the even if it was
where the is not but at the same time to
be it is so what's if anything this is
even better the first sim the happened
when they had inside so that's even
perfect that even could have been m it
was only the second one okay so the
second one
where if it would have been outside by
both sim but is a big London Poda Balbus
but a big London and ila comes and ila
says no I'm going to tell you what my sh
is my sh is that it could be that the
only time you can be mitar the of two
simmon is in the event that the of the
two simmon are the same type of BUT IF
THEY'RE TWO fundamentally different then
already could be you can't be m and
being that the of the first simat had
the ability to be m and the of The
second sim clat only had the ability to
be mat. So could be the not the same and
it could be twoas
that are not the same don't have the
ability to bear. Well, maybe no. At the
end of the day, maybe it could work. And
if that's the case, it's going to be
okay. Says the robber heard and said, "I
don't hear you. It's a
rabbit said at the end of the day end of
the day good lump this but but at the
same time I think practically speaking
these two the
are going to be matar the animal it's
going to be mat the mother it's going to
the rest it over minus this yeah not
only will it be matar it'll be m meaning
It's going to be a proper 100%
as it relates to the rest of the animal.
If this is a
if you give me these two
that it should be a 100% perfect with
regards to the entire animal even to be
then for sure it has to be a good enough
as relates to that one to be and that's
the
which is the
which is the now what's going to say is
going to say I know copy the rest of the
behemoth it's a bonafide
But you know one of the is that we could
spout the with regards to the mother the
rest of the versus the yad in the yad
the twoas maybe would be different but
this was ruststein was that if the m and
the rest of the uber this these two acts
of could combine to even be certainly
able to that one a that came out either
way that was the second by 30 by
had the 30 and he said
what's the
do we have to be concerned
with its zer
now what exactly zary is referring to is
a little bit unclear
that the gumar now is going to have a
bunch of attempts four
different versions of what exactly
Rabier Zay even was. So usually we know
what Rabier is. We just don't know how
to be push over here. We're not really
sure what exactly means. He's very very
cryptic
very
initially thinks as follows. Thear
thinks the shila is what would be if and
this is very reabiric. If you have a
behema
that was inside the raim of its mother
at the time of the mother was a behem
this textbook example and it was
then it came out. So now you have this
animal in the gas and this animal
everybody knows has one hand that's
trafe right the link is mish hand that
you can't go near. So one day you're
going to go ahead and you're going to
shack this animal and you should know
that this animal is going to have a
little bit of an issue because there's
one hand of this. It's a funny concept
but there's one hand on this animal
that's going to be not kosher. Okay this
is where's imagination comes in. What
would be if this animal went and got
married? Right.
And it made it with another regular just
a regular animal. Doesn't have such a
past. Nothing so dramatic like this
animal over here. It goes and it gets
married and now they have it.
So the question over here is wanted to
know what's the status of this baby that
was just born specifically the link the
left hand of that animal. Do we say it
had a father that had a left hand that
wasn't kosher? So you were born also you
have that same movement. You're going to
have that same blemish. You're going to
have that same problem. Or maybe not.
Now the truth is as we'll see in a
minute this is in a few things. The most
notable thing that this is talen is a
big shila that's coming up later and
that is
this is a very basic question. Does have
in theat.
So a person right there is
simply put you're Jewish if your
mother's Jewish not if your father's
Jewish however you're calling later the
is if your father is Jewish right the
question is as it relates to the of a is
there a mus of a ben right he's a
benaben you know 50 from an animal that
was once a garbas I guess that would be
a or something I don't know but the
bottom line is is near a concept of or
could be the only we is the mother.
Listen, it was in the womb of the
mothers. Now obviously there's something
called but the question is
the most notable place that this is in
the
is it the mother and the son is it the
even the father and the son.
Now if
then the assumption probably would be if
the father had an issue I wouldn't
really get if the mother had an issue
that's maybe a different discussion
but's question is where it's with the
father and the way the understand
is where there was an animal that had
been this
mated with a regular animal that doesn't
have any dramatic history now this child
do you have to be worried Now about that
yacht that identical yacht within this
child is that a problem is not a
problem. So the say let's understand the
question a little bit better. Again, we
just explained it the way the garam
thinks means it. But now the is going to
work it through
is the case where this
whose mother was that was went now and
made it with a regular just a regular
behemal meaning just an ordinary.
So why do you have to say that maybe
there's going to be a problem over here
with the left hand because of this
is that every single time you have an
animal a regular bmpaka. Now what's a
bmpic? So there's a more technical
definition of bmpu but bmpakua is an
animal that was inside the of the mother
when you shed the mother it came out and
now it's it's walking around it's doing
its thing. By the way, the nuance of
empad
ended up dying as soon as it was born.
This benu has already been that's when
it gets the title. It's the case of our
Mishna but where it has the viability of
a regular animal. But the point is so
why would have to clear his question in
this unique case with every bakua that
mates with the behemilla is user to eat
the child. You know why he said
there's no to the child. You know why
there's no to the child? Because of the
mother. It's a regular child of the
father. It's a
mother of the father. You can't do as
so the minute there's a
and you check to the mother and now
you're being the child with the mother
and now it's viable. It's already
holding age. It's already holding
getting married. So obviously it's a
benu that any child that it's going to
have is going to be a problem. You don't
have to declare the sh in this specific
case. So the says you're right. The case
was the
already a different type of there was
between two ben right there was a benu
and a bas
in
they come together.
Obviously the wasasha I think that's
obvious. But anyways, they come together
where else you get embarrassed. You're
going to say on
if you just came back from the country.
But the bottom line is say but the
bottom line is so here you have a
bas. But it just so happens that
because it was
right. So they looked into it a little
bit. The bottom line is so what happens
the beaka marries the basa. So in this
situation you don't have raashi because
was what was but it was a ba and a reg
over here it's a paka and a so
of the father and the of the mother
there's no need for however of the
father it has this issue with the fact
that it was what's the question do we
say okay so what's the sh then you would
think for sure there should be a problem
over here the sh is like this do we say
a moid
And therefore
wanted to know do we assume that short
is a problem right is a problem but the
problem is the so if it was the left
hand of the father so it's going to be
the left hand of the offspring chop off
that hand the rest of it is going to be
kosher or do we say that the father has
when it fathers this childish
it spreads and it permeates throughout
the entire offspring. So all of have
this little bit of this is
inside of it and as a result if you're
going to go ahead and even chop off the
hand it's still going to be a problem.
Do we say
so whatever the issue was with the
father that a is what's going to now
transfer over to the child or maybe we
say whatever the issue is is and
therefore the entire offspring now is
going to be an issue. Now it's not sure
who Omar is. It sounds like Omar would
have been Rabia, but it's it's clear in
the Gar is not even sure that this was
so somebody said that that could not
have been
because it's
because the
because if you're not going to say that
anytime you have from a physical
standpoint a father that has a certain
mum, that m should show up in the
offspring in the same way. And that's
not the way genetics work.
So that could have been because it was
it should be that you have a between
ampu and apu and the has an issue
because it was from the spiritual
it should be permeating the entire
child. Okay.
What then was
every
its parents are 100% kosher? They're not
100% kosher. Think of the is not kosher.
The d is not kosher yet.
So therefore had it sad that just
because there's one hand that it has
that's because of
but why is it different than the or the
anyways
the anyways so now you also have this is
malus so I don't know it was anyways a
ter is who cares maybe
that it could be if the father has two
issues the is not kosher and the d is
not kosher then I don't care about the
offspring but
if there's a third issue you have the
and you have the mean I know two issues
doesn't transmit but maybe once it's
three where it's right that's the third
one maybe in that instance already it's
going to be an issue but the says
says technical problem with the can't be
you know why because there is no mand in
the world that holds that if you have
let's get this a ben that was
that now fathers a child with
because otherwise we're not having the
conversation from earlier that there
would be a because there's three over
here. is no one that holds three. And
really the background to this as we'll
see in the course of the next few lines
is let's see it inside says mayor is the
shin mayor mayor holds
later
that Ben is not even the only time the
mother works for the is to the extent
that it was like but if it ends up being
a regular child it walked around and I
don't know what the definition of that
is but once it reaches a certain level
of viability
No, it actually doesn't work. The
doesn't work. So according to Ramor,
this is a moot point because to the
extent that this animal is mating, by
definition, it's a ben get married. So
obviously it's a ben. So if it's a benu,
the hope is neither here nor there.
There was no
mother not.
But this whole story is dead on arrival.
According to this anyways a point and
it's true.
He's pl. But the problem is
who doesn't know
it's not
it's going is going to be here's the
point we have two and with regards to R
holds that
is not the of Mother Rabhuda holds it is
Mayor holds that the of Pakua is assur
it's not even a thing right holds that
the is is going to be M here's the point
if that's the case when you have a benu
that was at the time of right now
and all you have is two is you have the
isam everybody else is an isam according
In addition
to this,
what about this? You don't have the
but
now we know IS NEVER A PROBLEM BECAUSE
IF was a problem every single time
you would have an issue. The ter is not
a shilar
was maybe tra is not a sh but three
already is going to be different but the
is no that holds three because really if
you just take the twoas and you plot
them next to each other you're going to
end up that everybody holds that is only
going to be twos they can't be that that
was the sh the like this
you have to say that everybody holds
that any time you would have a situation
like this where
you wouldn't say there's an issue with
the child and the reason is a little
tricky how to read this not
because really it's going to be and the
reason it's going to be is because we
know two things don't go over and
it's always going to be two and you want
to know where was
different actually a pretty easy sh are
you allowed to drink the milk of a ben
that has an issue with one of its hands
and this benu
Can you milk it or could you not milk
it? What's the I mean at first glance
you would say there should be a problem
over here
and you have to assume that the is
playing a role in the milk now and maybe
there would be initially chop the hand
off but you think that maybe there's a
problem. So the like this
really all is why because one of the
definitions of is that an that is from
is
from and still the
could be the that comes from the more
accurately from the right that comes
from the even though really there's an
in the
shouldn't be a problem
when it comes to the as much as it's a
very but it's an is that has a you can
go ahead and check it. So it could be
that comes from something that you could
be maybe is not so
but over here that is going to always be
and as a result right even if you it's
going to remain so so that's not going
to be says the what it almost always
says this was very long-winded but we
came to the answer that we sort of knew
we were going to come to and that is I
hear
Again we had three. This was the second
part of the d as it relates to this
shila all major shas over here was what
would happen if it was
or in
do we say
the second was and that was according to
that when
would be pain simil Muslim. Do we say
that the first is the second one is only
so maybe you can't bear if we're not but
that was
and the third was and we had a holy what
even was a lot of
but
was if you have pua or really pua that
had been there's an element of over here
and now you went ahead and you milked it
is that considered
Isn't that not considered the
third shila? And this concludes this
part of the doc. So
moving along.
So the garb now and really until the
mission is going to fun a little bit and
that is you know we took for granted up
until this point that what's the makart
to the benu what's the mccart to this
idea that there's a mother that you
shack and there's an inside of the
mother is going to work for the so we
said it's learned out from the parish
starts concludes
something's extra here
really the to this idea right away in
the beginning of the bar quoted
it's this right here we're going to have
a couple of it's going to take us until
the base what's the general idea that
the mother works for the it says
this is the we said so many times
If you're going to tell me what it's a
little tricky if you're going to tell me
that an uber is called that when it says
the word beh
is the so that means the word be can
satisfy in its definition even an if
that's the case you boy there should be
on an uber of kach so we know what turra
is if you have an uber that's kachchim
and somebody says I want this to be that
he should violate the laws of tumor And
the reason is because the criteria as it
relates to is the says then
one. But the bottom line is the criteria
is the word. If an is then there should
be
by an who said not
you can't do meaning not you can't do
tomorrow that is an isra but the
so if you take a of a and you say I want
it to be the of
you take an of you say I want it to be
instead of the a of kchum
But the bottom line is see clearly you
can't be in an of why not so I always
thought it's probably because it says
but if you're telling me the
isra
says you're right
something else it says right the
beginning of the
it's coming to me So it's not the word
doesn't mean there's no. So what is it?
It's the word and the way you have to
read it is
anything that's
gator that's inside the womb of the
you're allowed to eat. So the Uber is
included in that. Everything
it's anything that's inside that meets
these criteria is going to be okay. Says
it's not if somebody goes ahead and he
chops up pieces of the mother itself and
leaves it inside the animal. It should
also be mo and we know it's not
with a claw meaning if the limit is so
it's talking about a but if YOU TELL ME
IT'S anything any part of an animal.
Okay. So the should be worse than the
I hear but it says the end of the
and we learn from
that it has to be a schol. So if there's
a dove shim like an ubra that's inside
that's included in this but to the
extent you have just pieces of an animal
that's not going to be included ask
another
if you're going to tell me that is not
but what is it
as long as it's a
what would be if somebody sh
how this happened but somebody shacked
an animal and all of a sudden the baby's
born and it looks like
kosher bird, right? It looks like a dove
says
history. It should be why should it be?
Because it's
full thing that's inside the
not going to be okay. So the
what did the say? It said
it says clearly that we're talking about
where it has regular not a ya not a bird
by the way the y is even though a bird
is kosher says so the end of the day
that's why it's not included right that
you don't have so it's a shame and it's
it's an animal it checks off the boxes
my friends as opposed Not say I hear
what you're saying, but I have a
different
if you're going to tell me that the is
not included in the hat. Why? Because
it's not.
So then the
should also be. Now we know because we
had this twice already in the peric that
the even holds that
is but
a
is going to be why based on the that the
mother works for the as well. But if
you're going to tell me that the only
time it's going to work is when it's par
if it's a by definition it's not paraso
but the not
they used to say over
that's
it says in the
says later
it says and it says but the word
was coming to be that even if it's not
even if it's closed it's not split even
then it's going to be okay and it's for
that reason this is something that we
could be so the bottom line is where we
up to what we're up to is how do you
know the whole of right the whole of the
whole peric it's predicated on this one
big what's the martus so we thought up
until now it was
amazingly the rejected ed it rather uh
quickly because the Garra said if anra
is called a there should be by and it's
a that there's no byra
really recalibrated and say it's not the
is it says not
anything that's in the
is included in that a lot of things are
included in that why not
has to be
why we
It's because
why are we
because it says there's a little bit of
a draw to be had. But at this point, the
is not what we said 100 times. It's not
stating that
says no.
I'm going to tell you the
it's connected to the say why presumably
because
it's not a so that undermines the entire
Joshua says that Misha it says is not
the
Alib
is an Uber or an Uber is a right. So
what does the Mishna mean? You want to
know the
that there's a heckage between
and how does it play itself out over
here
just like there's no
rights
and it requires they should be born not
is not going to be that way either
either way that is the
is going to interruption this last piece
of
is a little parenthetical. The Gmorra is
just going to try to prove how do we
maybe know is going to be but is going
to attempt to prove. So not just to
suggest that maybe the T of the Mishna
in is no is the the fact that an Uber is
or isn't a
is going to try to prove that it's and
for sure that Mishna then is is because
how do I know that is
because take a look at the safe of that
said you're telling me that there's no
by there's no byt
If someone goes ahead and he's
not, right? Is always when you have and
now I want to transfer the onto
something else. What sometimes refer to
as
when you do something
when it comes to you want to be mish
something if somebody would say I want
the foot of this animal to be an
so if somebody says I want this to be
it should be the same way. So Rabio is
arguing with the Tanakama as it relates
to
he says I think there should be not I
think this should be
you know why because I think at the end
of the day you find
so
was talking to the who is the Tanakama
was now says why would you think it's
why would you think It's
I mean right here why you think so is
because
is always so these are the two most
obvious attempts
that's and sometimes if you find a Tana
arguing with another Tana you don't know
who that Tana is think of who is right
if a is arguing with somebody is
probably maybe right but
usually you're allowed to make these
assumptions so the point is like
It can't be.
So it sounds like whoever he's talking
to is of the opinion that if someone
says it's
a hold of that
you would think if somebody says
and we dash like this
that if somebody is
you take part of an animal and you sh
it. So the mime is what's but not the
entire
so you would think one second. So
meaning the rest of it is like
okay how do you work this out
and if somebody says you know what
happens what happens is only the foot
becomes an what you do if only the foot
is an you take the entire animal you
sell it by doing that you bring and you
take the money kga that a and you use it
for and everything else remains. But the
point is clearly hold that when you say
it doesn't become 100%. It's just that
that's
the names matter
says. So according to
only the according to the entire thing
is says so now in the is saying I hold
there is
specifically right I you know I know
that because
so here as well and it sounds like it
only sounds like it because the is going
to be there but it sounds like he's
TALKING TO THE TANAKAMA YOU WAIT CAN WE
AGREE to agree on this yeah okay So
doesn't aget
who is he then talking to either a mayor
mayor or who's his primary
hold
it must be he's talking to someone that
holds it who holds it we know two
is not talking to himself so we could
eliminate that who's he then talking to
you see it's oh once I have a from the
part of so I know
who's usually not in this case is when
we say that there's no it's also because
it's beautiful but
you're making a big over dramatizing the
mission says all this drama it's
turning to the and say don't you agree
with this or therefore that could be
like I don't know what you're talking
about I don't agree with that either now
then what's he saying I hold
That's true by as well. But it could be
the
and therefore it's that that response
wouldn't be true as well. Either way,
another intense stuff. Got to get used
to this here.
Exhale.
So, as it relates to raid,
I think it's good to pick up a little
bit where we left off yesterday and do a
little bit of a part two.
So in yesterday's d we saw a very big
thera says
which means this something called
what's that was the last month of that's
peric but we saw that learned another
from this very same kazal said
that from this we learned that if you
have baser that has a and the leaves it
at that point it's going to be user to
eat from that boser again what are
examples of that what example is
even though the mission says
but the bottom line is it's the game
Another example like we saw on which we
saw is really a
brings inf
and that is that as it relates to if you
would have that would leave or
that would leave or
that would leave would be
that at that point you wouldn't be
allowed to eat the food that left its
respective
and not just that if somebody would eat
from it he would be
which says very clearly is
the bottom line is two distinct at first
glance completely disparit
that are both burnt out from the same
number one number two this is
now is learned out from the word.
It's because the word thought was
superfluous
and what if you found it in the what if
you found it in the barn? What if you
found it in your house? It would be the
same.
Why did say the word
a second
as if to say
that's teaching me
that's teaching me the
this is something that is that emerges
from
school
the truth is
here's another
said it says in theory
and we learn from this is the love in
the that a person is not allowed to eat
when it says in the
meaning not only are you not allowed to
eat an you're also not to
had to learn the
according to
is the boss.
According
to
both learn from
what we always thought it was
from the
saw
if you take a look at rashi and inus
rash and both learn I'm going to read
it's the
we know we saw in today's that the
doesn't just mean that you go and you
take a live animal and you just bite
into it. If an a of the animal is
taken off of the animal itself and you
go ahead and eat that, that's also if
you stick from a live animal, you eat
it, that's also
it's
the
means the bos that was supposed to be on
THE ANIMAL, YOU FOUND you found it
sitting in the And that's where learns
from the
as relates to the word
that's in other words saying learns like
that is the learned out from
you think
didn't know that of course and he knows
is the but held that there's another
love that's learned out from this and
that OTHER IS IS UBASA BASADA. It says
basada and what is basada teaching me?
It's teaching me that busar that was
supposed to be on the you have this live
animal and it should be part of the bus
of the animal and now you found it lying
around in the field that but it's
that is
that's what we know as from well both
learning the same way that had
in because he was bothered with the
And that's how we came to to this truth
is just looking at this I thought this
doesn't look like
but the bottom line is what is going to
do
he learns it to teach me a similar but
something else not
that's not what is coming to teach me
out of
But it's off the go that is not out from
but rather it's out from but the bottom
line is whether that is
could be it's that but either way we
have over here three
that are learned out from the same
because
the regular is a
We mentioned
that was that
as you would expect
that
we learned this of so there's three that
are learned out from the tra
fascinating thing is a trait that
everybody knows additionally the is and
additional to that these are read
and they're all learned out from the
same are over because this is going to
segue into the next part of this. How do
we learn that
but didn't have to say so we as
it left its that's what means
it was
and that's what this means over here
stating that if you take a look at the
Rama inuro
paric
says the
if somebody chops off a piece of from a
live animals,
that buser is a tra
and if somebody goes and somebody eats a
from it, you're going to get malus for
being over
because this bus came from
the Rams.
But the Ram says one thing that didn't
say
and then says but the Rambam holds that
if somebody eats he's actually eating
that means the in the world of the
Rambam the in the world of the Rambam is
Bam that is what it is it's the isa the
seem to learn
to learn that the gather of how learned
his and this is not that is of
the says no the says when someone eats
eating and if that's the case it's mour
that the ra had a definition of tra that
doesn't uh I think at first glance but
murish reconcile so well what we thought
we know what a traf is we learn traers
we saw all the pictures so we have an
idea of what a A TRAFER LOOKS
SAYING AT FIRST GLANCE
just like
is not
but the ra saying no that
is he says it twiceer
So the Ram is referring to it as if to
say it's one
if it's one of the
if it's at first glance what is
it's very very
he says I'm going to tell you what I
think I'm going to tell you what I I
think thehat in this Rama is the Rama
must have learned that the T of is when
you have a a live animal and you removed
a little bit of Basa from that live
animal. That is what's referred to as
you saw a lying around on the ground. If
you go ahead and your a little bit of
that that's sitting there, you eat it.
That's what the definition of tra is.
Tra is like says that is the t of what a
tra is. But it doesn't matter if that
buser was pirish because you went ahead
and you were pirish or if it was pirish
because the eave came and he was tired
of it and that's what caused it to be
pirishak. At the end of the day, if
there's lying on the side of the road or
lying in the field that was
a tra and the says
and really the says
is the from the live animal
happened an animal. But here's the
point. Khaz said there are certain times
where if something was pirish from an
animal meaning something happened to an
animal where we say that the existing
animal is not going to be able to live
anymore. When we see that then the way
we de hair the pisha is not just I have
a and something was pirish the way I see
it up over here is is that the two would
each other and it's not only the you
remove that we look at as being the tra
but the remaining animal is also deemed
as being a traif
However,
but if the entire became
so then the way we look at it is as if
the came and he chopped the animal into
two parts.
And it comes out is literally the tra in
other words the t of a tra is where you
have that was it was from a live animal
that you're not allowed to eat and I
don't care if a person did it or if an
animal did it call it
call it tra WHATEVER YOU WANT THAT is
what traa is. There are times if you go
ahead and you do that, what's left is
also going to be considered as if it was
ripped apart. Now the way it was ripped
apart was you took A from B. But when
you took A from B, you didn't just tear
A from B, you tore B from A as well.
It's
from because P was holding on to the
left ear. You tore the left ear away
from the right ear and really you tore
the right ear from the left ear. I don't
care what side of the animal what a it
was that the z physically got his teeth
and put his clenches into at the end of
the day you ended up tearing it apart.
So really just like the that was torn
apart is tra the that's remaining is
also considered a tra and that's what
the general idea of trai
and and took this and expanded it a
little bit that just like if you take an
animal you chop it into two if it's a
that's also going to be included and if
there's a hole in the in the etc etc etc
but the bottom line is
from the fact that the calls
it's to me that the of
that was
that's the way you visualize your
classic
that's usually the way you visualize the
of and the point of the traus is is that
when what was separated is such that it
made such a profound difference on the
live animal then I look at the live
animal is also being torn apart
they were torn from each other and just
like this piece I wouldn't be able to
eat even if a person did it would be
that part because it's viewed as
viewed as again it's all one shem it's
all going to be one thing so really the
t of tra this is the tricky part the
type the t of tra is not an animal that
has some wound that's not going to be
able to live tra is is when you tore
apart a piece of an animal that's why
fits right into the
into the t
said, "What was the mar to the raom to
learn this way?" First glance, it sounds
a little bit like Rashi must have
learned it a little bit more, right?
What was the what was the to the to
learn that is not just included in the
but rather
he says you want to know where I think
got it from? He got it from target. If
you take a look at
What does mean that was torn
from a live animal?
The ultimate
you know what about
doesn't say A WORD ABOUT DOESN'T SAY A
WORD ABOUT ANYTHING
HE SAID WHICH IN OF ITSELF IS a he
doesn't make sense that he
IS BECAUSE REALLY is and is one and the
same thing but the ra saw in
that we're not just being from the extra
of it is
that is what the is and being that
that's what the is that's why that's why
said must be that isn't just from the of
but really is
that we just mentioned is
on that
really I'm sorry talks about this in a
little bit in the beginning of perfus
it's a piece and over there he says that
he found that his
in office already spoke about this so I
looked up that and that goes with this
same that the to the is and that's where
the ram saw that this is the
and then he goes ahead he says something
beautiful he says
I believe that the is
this is beautiful. We know the says,
"What do you do with the says,
what do you do with the
says regarding the
either give it to the or sell it to the
and already asks the why is it that the
you give to the and the you give to the
in fact says
say
that really the and if you want to go
ahead and you want to give the to the
give it so why does it says
but the bottom line is is that rashi was
BOTHERED WITH THIS WHY by the does it
say
and why is it that when it comes to the
over there the says what do you do with
the you give it to the guy
I HOLD THE WAS BOTHERED WITH THIS HE
COULD understand
why here and why there do you give it to
the guy
you know what must be because you know
what this is saying what this is saying
is not just
it's saying
is one of the and being that it's one of
the he can't give it to the guy that's
why
it had to be
was bothered with this grace
This is what was driving. What was
driving him is is that why is it that
when it comes to the trade like yeah
when it comes to the you go ahead and
you give it to the guy must be it's over
here it's being that it's over here it's
going to be different I saw in the
from this beautiful on this raid says
from right this is the ramson we have
from
on parishious and chamoy brand new
maduras that the mia is yidi
But either way, he says as follows.
in parenthesis.
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But there are other
extrapolated from this.
Why we mention that's usually where it
happened?
There's another gave for the mitzvah and
then
concludes.
I don't know why the said this now in
his over here brings a little bit of a
tuml
like what he meant what was bothering
but he comes out and I think it's that
what was bothering is this three there's
three that we learn from this
AND
I DON'T KNOW.
Why did the feel that in the
you know what it's referring to
not the OTHER TWO
concludes with a he says I'm not sure
why this is the but I think the ter is
the that's the
says
why do you have to go ahead and give it
to the make a profit off of it maybe
give IT TO THE GUY THE SAYS BY THE
So what do you do
the is the saw that the posit
must be that we're dealing with
something that even a must
that's why the who's the most shot in
this how is he was with regards to this
office could be the terret to
That's the
either way. Three tremendous that I
learned out from this
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