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Today's d is
and we are 17 lines from the bottom of
moving along in the of what exactly
makes up an
up. He says
it was
for
that there are a lot more behemos
than there are to in order for a to bear
it has to be paro and it has to be malas
all other animals are to it's for that
reason
so to keep it Simple. What the Tyra did
was the Tyra mentioned the
and everything else is going to be
excluded.
But the same token
that the are much more than the in fact
there are only 24.
Everything else is
so therefore what the Tyra did was it
mentioned the 24. So that we'll know
that everything not mentioned in the
Tory is
that this is in fact a a lesson it's
coming to teach every person who's
teaching that you should always speak.
That's what the terra did. The terra
could have been and the terra could have
mentioned all the animals that are the
terra could have been and the terra
could have mentioned all the
tar but the terra didn't do that. What
the did was it spoke the spoke about the
spoke about the
reason is because they are the not the
and from here we learn
parenthetically who's the one that said
this
but it's Rav Rav is the one throughout
Shas who has memories about the value of
Rab said
in the beginning of that a person is
gonna have to give for everything even
for the
Ram says about Rav that ra never spoke
you find you don't find you don't find
in the first sign a whole bunch of
places in where you
Rav Rav was a phenomenal we've spoken a
lot about this Rav was there's a
mentions
that Rav was all the
child that if the Bryce is mentioning
the 10 of Rav and the Ram's right that
Rav never spoke the
you'd think it would have made the
Bryce's top 10. So how come it's not
mentioned anywhere? It says that Rav
used to always d for the Rav never
looked outside of his dal. He never went
without his sites and without his
villain. If Rav never spoke of the he
was such a shask how is it possible?
How's it possible? It's not mentioned
the price. Either way, again, this is
we've spoken a lot about, but this is
and this line right here is one of the
most important lines in the sug
at the end of the we'll speak out some
raid about this. But for now, said a
very important that if you want to know
if an is or as we see that there was
confusion even amongst even the
Hamishno and the hatanak weren't sure
about the exact nature of many of the 24
that are mentioned in the Torah. So said
I'll I'll tell you a very important way
to live and that is if there's a mess on
an that it's trust the mess and you
could eat it. He continued and he said
a hunter is believed to say
meaning that is in it of itself a
messiah as well. If hunter says I have a
messiah for my that this is okay then
that constitutes messiah and that would
be fine. In other words, was making a a
broad general statement that
and as a a sub point to that general
statement is that a hunter who says that
I have a messiah from my rebi that would
constitute messiah I'm can qualify that
he said the only time that say can trust
on what his rebi told him and that that
would be the equivalent of a messiah is
you would need that this rebi should be
familiar with the 24
he should also be familiar with the
names of the 24.
So if he's someone that's very very
versed he's very knowledgeable in this
field of science then you can trust him
when he tell you that this is and that
would constitute
said that is believed to say that
rebi as in his rebi that he learned in
yeshiva from or and is his rebi in
hunting his mentor the person that
taught him his his his parnosas as
didn't qualify this. He said that the
only time this reb is believed if he's
very very knowledgeable in this field.
If we're talking about his rebi that's a
hunter then it makes sense.
But if it's his as in his
okay I could understand that maybe his
will be familiar with the names of these
animals or birds.
But how's he supposed to know the exact
nature of these birds? It's so unlikely
that his would be familiar with the
exact nature of of these birds. Thus, it
must be says the
so that this was checkmate.
This must be proof that when said
doesn't mean it's because how is going
to be
it's not it's not rather what the will
do when he's presented with a sh is
he'll have resources and different
people that are versed in this area of
science and he can speak to them and and
they'll be able to impart from their
wisdom so that the rebi will be able to
take that information like the and did
throughout the generations and
incorporate it into the
shim and be able to determine what is.
But the point is as it relates to this
ms if that the only time the rebi can
impart a messiah is if he's baky by it
sounds like he himself has to have this
knowledge there's not secondhand
knowledge he has to have it on his own
and it must be that it's rabbit it's
interesting because you know you do find
that the that the were in a lot of areas
of science and math and medicine in fact
the rama when he lists the criteria of
being a member of the sanhedrin so the
rama says that in addition to you know
being a tremendous and being refined in
mid and being humble it's an imposing
person it's also necessary to have
secular
because otherwise how you going to judge
and you have to beam
on some level to be able to you know
understand these these basic but at the
same time I guess to take it to this
level of
there it was understood by the gar that
would have to mean that could not mean
In fact, the vulgarian says that you
find with regards to the love of so the
says
and you find
so once the uses the it's the same and
another time the uses the what's the
difference and so the go says that
we're dealing with had to be bucky both
and he had to have as well because
otherwise how would he be able to
properly
How would you know if it's a
but either way so there is a concept of
the way lays it out in the beginning of
but at the same time on this level it
was understood that the would have to be
not from would have to come from so is
going to digress now we're going to
discuss a a completely different which
is going to take us into tomorrow's
stuff but we'll come back and let
readwise and speak about the
but first about eggs.
You're allowed to buy eggs from a
non-Jew.
And the is that you don't have to be
concerned
is that
anything that you are not allowed to
eat, any animal that's off limits,
anything that comes from that animal is
off limits as well. It's for that reason
you're not allowed to drink the of a
non-cooser animal. You're not allowed to
drink even the of a kosher animal.
That's a tra. The same is true for an
egg. So if a non-cooser bird lays an
egg, obviously the is you're not allowed
to eat the egg. Stating that says the
you're allowed to buy an egg from a
non-Jew and you don't have to be
concerned that this egg even though you
know for sure it's the egg of a chicken,
you know it's a kosher egg. You don't
have to be concerned.
Why the reason is because you could
assume that of these eggs are not these
eggs are not
it's for that reason it's not going to
be a problem but ask
that's all good if you know for sure
that it's coming from a kosher bird. So
if it's coming from a chicken for
example which is kosher. So now your
concern is was it a we know are and nea
certainly is going to be a me. So as a
result, we could assume for sure that
it's kosher. But what about the concern
that maybe it's coming from a non-
kosher bird? Not all birds are kosher. I
mean, we see it's very confusing the of
what makes a kosher bird a non- kosher
bird. So you see an egg, how do you know
that it came from a chicken? Maybe it
came from something that's not kosher.
Answered. He said,
"It only works if the guy tells you that
this egg that I'm selling you, it came
from that chicken right there."
two things. Number one, he says it came
from but says why do you have to say why
have to add that into the of what the
non-Jew has to say in order for us to be
able to buy his egg says
because otherwise he'd be able to
finagle his way out if he was ever
caught that he wasn't telling the truth.
In other words, a buddh says he can't
just trust a nonju. So you have to have
circumstantial evidence. There has to be
something making us feel comfortable
that he's actually telling the truth. If
he points to the chicken, he says the
egg came from this chicken, then we
trust him. Why? Because this person's
obviously running a business, albeit a
mom and pop perhaps. It doesn't matter
the size of the business, but this is
something that he needs to do in order
for him to be able to support his
family. So, we assume that he won't lie
if it can compromise his business in any
way. So if he points to a chicken and he
says that this is where the egg came
from and then later he was found to not
be telling the truth, then obviously it
would come with a with an invoice and
that's something we assume he's not
willing to do. Thus it's an in that
circumstance and only in that
circumstance that we trust him. If
however he says it came from a chicken,
it's going be very hard to disprove him
at a later point. Say it came from a
chicken. I know it didn't come from this
chicken. So it's true it came from that
one or the chicken that it came from
died. He has to give us specific
information so that we would be able to
be sure that he would be afraid to be
lying because if he was lying we'd be
able to find out. What's interesting
from this gamar is it sounds like that
on some level a non-Jew has nonas
ordinarily if a tells you that
something is kosher or non-cooser or if
a guy walks into bedd and he wants to
say about loan sh money of course a
non-Jew is possible so from this it
would seem that given certain
circumstances there's no question that
in any yhudi sometimes is belief now of
course if you're going to sit down and
learn the which we're not going to do
the first thing you're going to say is
this is not a question of DNA mus is not
a question of
this is certainly not a question of DNA.
This is a question is it a kosher egg or
is it a non-cooser egg which finds
itself in the known as which for the
most part deals with
which then means that you have to invoke
the principle of
right what does mean if you're dealing
with as in is kosher it's non-cooser
it's it's shotness it's not shot you
know questions of of
not
by definition means that it doesn't
require. So maybe for is believed but
the truth is not believed. He's only
believed
if there is some level of circumstantial
evidence for example
and clearly the opinion of this right
here that if there is some sort of that
he's not going to be lying because this
is what he does for a living and he's
not going to lie and then have his
business shut down. It's not worth it.
So it's for that reason he would be
there's an important as it relates to
the
specifically as it relates [snorts] to
the place asks another says you're buy
from
why not so he said because it's
not also so at the end of the day you
have a and we're not it's for that
reason it's okay as a different okay
it's very nice you're not worried about
fact that it might be because
maybe it's from a non-cooser bird.
Kosher birds are non-coosher birds,
which is the majority, which is the
minority. There's 24 non-cooser birds.
Every other bird in the world is kosher.
If that's the case, should tell me that
it's kosher also. So, just like you can
go bust a and you could assume it's not
from anoa, why can't you go bust a and
assume that it's from? What's the cash
that it has to be from an so says that
really this is in in the is that we
never really spoke about that's the
harder part of the that permeates this
entire of andar because as much as it's
true that there are 24
the keeps on saying that but at the same
time we also know the gar wasn't sh it
was Sunday stuff [snorts] but um right
in the beginning of the where the garra
said that the Tyra said that the Nesher
that's the first of the 24 20 21 22 24
whatever but the first of the that are
mentioned in the Tyra and the doesn't
have any simra and from the
it sounded like that any other that
doesn't have any money is also going to
be off limits so it's true there are 24
that a single but we also had that
mention that that at At the end of the
day there are there is a concept of when
it comes to an and it sounds like the of
the would be the I mean would be
anything that's similar to the and just
like the has no money and it's for that
reason it's not okay. So to any other
that has no money that means there might
be a lot of in the world that don't have
any of the money and as a result they're
also going to be off limits. Now the
truth is whether such an is
rashi learned in that gar again we
didn't go through this now so it's hard
to go into it now post de facto but
rashi at the time learned that when the
gar said we're marba everything similar
to the nasher it meant anything within
the species of nasher it has to be
something similar to nasher but at the
end of the day there's 24 types of and
and there's nothing else that's included
I that seem to be marba other only
within the world of nasher but if it's
and it's not one of the other 23
you have absolutely nothing to worry
about was they have to be everything. So
says according to me it's a small on the
bottom of this
because it's true this 24 that's true
the list the 24 but there's a very
important caveat to this 24 and that is
anything that's similar to which is a
which is a game changer etc but either
way
so what was the basic was you're allowed
to buy a from
stating that there's a very important
caveat and that is
It's only if the guy points to the bird
or the chicken that it came from and we
know for sure that it's t it's only then
that we trust says the what's the
problem meaning if it doesn't point you
have to be concerned maybe it came from
an there's a way to know if this egg
came from an or if it came from how thou
lived why do we check the of the egg
we've had the tra the simony the simony
of the dog
we're going to have in tomorrow's so
says the simony of a kosher egg as well
let's check the sim
of egg I like the fish says
the sim of a egg [snorts] I like of a
fish we know of a fishnapper
right fins and scales no fins and scales
on your egg
what it means is that The simon of an
egg of an are similar to the simony of
the eggs the row of fish regardless what
is the sim of a tiny
if it's round
if one side of the egg is rounder the
other one is a little sharper right it's
that the shape of an egg to higher then
it's going to be
if both sides are round
or if both sides come to a
It's going to be
so loosely translated as the white part
of the egg. Loosely translated as the
yolk of the egg. If the white is on the
outside and the yolk is on the inside,
that's the way it's supposed to be.
If it's in the reverse
if the white and the yellow are
and you can take a look at the art
scroll for a detailed discussion of what
exactly that could mean. But regardless
then we know that it comes not even from
an animal. It must come from a but
either way what do you see from here
this of a kosher egg. So what's this
whole issue? Why can't you just buy an
egg from a non-Jew? He doesn't have to
have the money.
He's not going to risk his business.
And you could
just just LOOK AT THE EGG. You'll know
from the line of give us a a you're
supposed to check if an egg is kosher,
it's non-coosher. So say
the egg was cut already. But the says,
"Okay, even if the egg was cut, meaning
you don't have the shell, you don't have
the shape of the egg. You could still
check the and the shouldn't you be able
to look and be able to identify it based
on the white and the yolk of the eggs.
said that's bit true for Picar. It's
told you already had uh you know mash
tags. So uh I see it's too late. You
know you already made it. It's sitting
on the next to the over
one second. Then you're not let buy from
him.
You're not let an egg that's a trade for
true unless it was already mashed. For
that reason, being that you're allowed
to sell a mashed egg to a non-Jew, it's
for that reason. It's true for you're
not allowed to buy a mashed egg from a
guy. Why? Because we're afraid that he's
going to sell the egg that was a mashed
ta back to aid. So, if you're going to
sell it to a guy now, you know the guy's
in possession of these traers, maybe
he's going to sell to you. Bottom line
is you're not allowed to buy a brief
because you can't tell me that that's
what's going on over here. So, either
way, so what's the cash? So just why
can't you just look based on the sim
that Kazal gave us and buy an egg from a
guy the it's talking about well you
mashed it already there's no sim because
if you mashed it and there's no sim
you're not allowed to buy it we're
discussing someone who's allowed to buy
it the is it from an is it from afa is
it from is it from the say you have to
say
that as it relates to an egg are
says bes
These are not and as a result you're not
allowed to rely on them. It's different
than the of the and these
these are
as it relates to then not
what then is the significance of it. The
Gomar is going to explain but first the
Gamar says I'll prove to you that
they're not real
saying we had this there eight birds
that are suffic if they're Tommy or
what's the suffic lived like Bates in
the do why do you check the Bates if
there's a unique character trait to the
Bar
then there's an easy way to know if this
is
must be it's not
so it's not what's the purpose of this
as we'll
If you see an egg and both sides of the
egg are round, both sides of the egg are
narrow
or if the yolk is on the outside, the
white is on the inside, these are signs
of a vad to then you know for sure you
can't eat the egg. So the sim are
helpful because if the play out and tell
you that it's you know for sure you have
to get rid of it.
If one side is sharp. So as in one is as
in sharp [snorts] or
and the other side is it's round or
it's the right way. Why is the outside
the open and the inside?
And then you want to buy it from a guy
and the guy told you by the way it's
star and then you can be
the so the truth is the not fullfledged
proof in the sense that you can rely on
them exclusively but at the same time
they are helpful in in the due diligence
process when you're trying to determine
whether this is kosher or whether this
is non-cooser. Meaning if you see the ba
and it has the sim tum you know you have
to discard it. If you're buying from a
guy and he tells you that it's okay and
it has the simra. So then in the context
of these is when you do trust the guy
you don't trust the guy. So again we're
going through this quickly but you in
the event that we're discussing maybe
being able to trust in we can definitely
use this as a sniffle. It's something
that can be used as a resource in us
determining whether this is okay or
whether this is not okay.
In the event that the were mixed
together, then you know it's from a
like what why difference does it make if
the beta is from a sher or it's from
something else regardless you're not
allowed to eat it. So so what why does
it matter if it's from a shared
What it means is is that there'd be a
little crack in the egg and somebody
would touch the the embryo of the
sherets that's inside the egg, he'd
become assuming it's one of the
once they're dead. So the dead embryo so
to speak would have the ability to be
that's
and would be that so it's
how do you know from the egg that it's
an egg from one of the maybe it's from
which is a sher can eat it but it's not
one of the
so maybe it comes from how do you know
that you should be
you're That can't be what it meant
because you would have no way to
ascertain that the person is tame by
touching the embryo inside this egg
because how do you know that it came
from one of the maybe it came from one
of the other where by saying that it's
from the sher is that if somebody ate it
you would get malus
somebody eats a sher it gets malus so
that's where it's neg it's neg to give
the person malus and for that it doesn't
have to be one of the you get malus if
you eat any sher
are unique, right? You hear a lot about
the
but that's always in the context of tum
as it relates to tum there's something
unique about the every sher you can't
eat an insect doesn't matter it's from
the or it's the ninth the is you
can't eat a
so as it relates to you have to know if
it's from the or not but as it relates
to the not just the there was
if that's case if we're discussing
knowing that this is a by virtue of the
fact that
and to know it's a sher to give the
person malus the truth is even if this
was from an
if the [snorts] if a person cracked the
egg and ate the contents of that egg the
is he would get malus regardless what
does that mean the
So the is that if there's a little chick
inside the egg it was didn't even open
up its eyes yet and and then it died if
somebody would eat it the is he would
get malus called
now it's usually think of a sher this is
not a sher this is a little chick that
you know never hatched and never fully
developed
And as a result, but it was a kosher
bird. What does this have to do with
that is that even that chick you
wouldn't be able to eat. But regardless,
so what do you see from there? You see
that a person is going to crack open the
egg and he's going to eat that little
embryo, that little life that's inside
the egg. He's going to get malus.
Whether the and the
and we know it's a it's from a or if
it's a regular egg it doesn't matter at
the end of the day even if it's a
regular kosher chick at the end of the
day.
So why do I need to know that it's a
sher to get
even if it's a regular it's still going
to be
the says no because that although it's
true but it's only
rice so there's no malus if someone eats
a
it's only but if someone eats a for that
there is malus so it's if you saw the
egg was the and you ate it you'd get
malus for
which would not be the case if it was
merely in
So if somebody cooks kosher eggs and
non-cosher eggs together in the same pot
with hot water. So this is
101. So do you say that the egg is and
it's the non-coosher one into the kosher
one or no? So this is an egg in it shell
says the is because nothing is
transferring from from point A to point
B. Thus
is
says
there's no time that's going over from
one egg to the other egg. So if you cook
a kosher food together with a
non-coosher food together in the same
pot with boiling water, that's a big
problem. But in this case, being that
these are eggs in a shell, you have
nothing to worry about. Batesimo,
those are adult eggs.
If someone is not very squeamish,
meaning he can handle it, he could eat
it. Now, you see two things from here.
Number one, that if you are squeamish,
you can't eat it. And the reason is
because there's a lot of called. So,
that's not teaches me. You're not
allowed to put yourself in a in a super
uncomfortable situation. So, if you can
really handle it, then yeah, but if you
can't, then it's actually But
additionally, you see a over here that
if if you're a nepha, you're allowed to.
Why would you think you're not allowed
to eat it? It's an egg. The reason is
because these eggs often have blood
spots in them. So, an adult egg is is an
is like a rotten egg. It's an egg that
never fertilize, right? Just basics. A a
chicken lays an egg every single day,
right? Approximately every 24 to 27
hours, a chicken lays an egg. Now,
sometimes that egg will hatch into
another chicken and sometimes the egg
will just be an egg that you can make
scrambled eggs with. So, what determines
it? If the chicken mated, the hen mated
with the rooster prior to it laying its
egg, then the egg is going to fertilize
and an Ephraak is going to come out,
another chicken. If it did not mate,
then it's going to be a a good
oldfashioned egg. So, benim muro are
eggs that were laid after the hen mated
with the rooster. And really, it should
have hatched into a another chicken, but
but something went wrong and it just for
some reason never properly fertilized
and as a result, it's a spoiled rotten
egg. It's an adult egg and most people
wouldn't eat it. But if you could handle
it, you're allowed to eat it. There's no
baku because you can handle it. And not
just that, the fact that there may be a
little bit of blood, which there likely
will be, is also not an issue. And
that's a kadesh. Now, what do you mean
it's not an issue? You have to get rid
of the blood. But as long as you get rid
of the blood, you're allowed to eat
there. The price continues and says
similarly
as it relates to a regular egg.
Sometimes you crack an egg, you'll see a
little bit of egg. Doesn't mean you have
to get rid of the egg, says the you just
have to get rid of the dam and you can
eat the stating that it's not so simple.
The only time this is true is if the
blood was found on the on the kesh.
That's the part of the egg where the
sperm of the rooster touches the egg.
Discussion of where exactly that is.
There's a picture in some of the gar as
well.
Another important qualification of when
if you have blood on an egg, all you
need to do is discard the blood and
you're allowed to eat the rest of the
egg. And that is if it was found on the
if it was found on the white of the egg.
But if it penetrated the egg, it's in
the yolk of the egg.
The entire egg is going to be
cuz once it's in the yellow, it's in
it's already in the entire egg. There's
no way to save the egg.
that if you want to know the history of
this, you should know that I heard a
Tana tell it to just the opposite. He
told Abaya that if the red the blood was
on the yellow of the egg, then it's
going to be okay. If it's only on the
white of the egg that it's not going to
be okay
and told, "No, you made a mistake. It's
really supposed to be in the reverse
exhale.