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Today's
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somebody found a needle in a piece of
liver.
So he brought the meat to Mar who was
the son of Rav and his initial reaction
was that it should be a problemashi
told him
let's say the needle wouldn't have been
found in the liver but it would have
been found in another part of the meat
of the animal would you have said the
same thing meaning why is the that if
there's a needle inside the meat of an
animal that it should be a trafa I mean
presumably it would be a traer because
the needle caused the neckv But a nev
renders an animal a tra it's in very
specific organs. The organs that are
mentioned in the organs that are
mentioned in the tabish
the liver is not one of them just like
any other piece of flesh of the animal
is not one of them. So Ashi told him why
is it that if you're saying that this is
said I disagree with you I'm going to
give you a different side. We have to
look at the needle and we have to see
what direction it's pointing in. meaning
where is the sharp side of it and
where's the blunt side of it?
If the sharp part is facing out, so it
looks like the needle was inside the
liver and now it's making its way out of
the liver. In that case, we are going to
assume that it's a problem because we're
going to therefore say that how did the
needle get into the liver? It probably
went through the veset. It must have
punctured a hole somewhere along the
line and as a result it made this animal
into a tra. If however it looks like
it's coming from the other direction. It
looks like it's on its way in then we're
going to assume that the way the needle
came into the animal was not through the
veset not through the digestive system
but rather somehow it got in through the
rhea through the trachea. And although
usually things are not swallowed via the
trachea it can happen. We're going to
assume that's exactly what took place
over here. If that's the case, you don't
have to assume that there was a neck
that took place in any of the vital
organs that would render the animal tra.
So basically, you want to look at the
needle, what direction it's pointing in,
use that as circumstantial evidence to
determine exactly how the how the needle
got in. Meaning it's not the needle in
the cover per se that bothers me. That's
not the issue. The issue of Ashi said is
if you want to be concerned, it's how
did the needle get into the liver. So
you have to now look at the genesis of
this needle. It came in somehow. If it
went through the veh and for sure
there's an issue here. If it went
through the or not and somehow he felt
that by looking at the direction of
needle that would be able to determine
says this is only true if you have a big
needle. If you have a smaller one
the bottom says that the small needles
are sharp on both edges. So really you
can't determine anything based on the
sharp side or the blunt side because
they're both sharp
said something interesting but at first
glance it would seem to be in odds with
another is that if you find a needle in
the
so that's one of the four stomachs of
the animal. So the is like this there
two membranes that encased the basis if
if only one of the membranes were
punctured by this needle that was found
inside going to be cautious som if both
of them were punctured then it's going
to be a tra makes sense if both
membranes are punctured that's a real
neck so it makes the animal a tra if
only one of them are that's not a real
neck because nothing is going to happen
as a result of this neckv because it's
only one of the layers But the other
layer is still intact. As a result, the
animal's not going to be a tra. But the
ask
when you find the mat in the co. It's
not the negative in the covet that
bothered you. What is it? It's how did
the mak get into the covet? And you have
to start hypothesizing what might have
happened. Did it come through the vash?
Did it come through the ka? And we said
depending on the direction of the
needle, it could be we'll have to assume
that it came through the vashid. And if
it did, it's going to make the animal a
tra. So, why don't you say the same
thing? If you find the in the
So why is it automatic that if there's
one neck being that the neck per se in
the doesn't make the animal a trao this
animal's going to be kosher forget the
nek in the how did the [snorts] get into
the to make the nek in the it either
came in through the vash or through the
con so why don't we say look at the
direction of the needle and that should
potentially make this animal a
is that's one of the stomachs of the
animal. So the food is there. You have
very easily flip the needle one way or
another. So again the direction of the
needle is not going to be evidence of
what what might have happened. As a
result if there's one nek with the we
don't assume that it came in through the
vash and caused problems. The only issue
would be the nek itself. One neck is not
a tra it's neck that punctures both
membranes. That's when it's going to be
an issue. Says
there was a needle that was found in the
great vein that's attached to the liver.
So similar to the previous Garra, but in
the previous gam the was found in the
liver itself. Here it's found in a vein
that's next to the liver. So says
Hun who was the son of Ravidi thought
that I I think it should be a problem.
He brought the sha which rail.
So he said I think you have to take the
shirts away from the ones that said that
it's tr in other words the ripe sock
over here is that it's going to be
kosher. And even though Rav Ashi said
that if you find a needle in the liver
there it could be depending on the
direction of the needle it might be an
issue that's because it was found in the
liver itself here already was found in
the vein and to make the assumption that
this makat came through the vashet
through the d to the digestive tract
into the liver and now into this vein
that's way too many steps. It doesn't
it's not reasonable that that happened.
It's much more mabber that it got into
the vein the vascular route through the
ka as a result the ones that said sh
take their shirts away meaning they have
to reimburse this man that came and
asked the shil because you just took
away a piece of meat that was kosher by
rendering it
there was a date pit that was found in
the gallbladder of an animal
said I remember that I was learning
yeshiva this shil was brought up and he
said
there's nothing to talk about.
This must have come through the trachea.
And the reason is because if it came
through the trachea, then you could say
that it went down the trachea into one
of the veins and that's how it ended up
in the gallbladder. If it would have
gone through the esophagus, it would
have to puncture out through one of the
organs, right? That's how it would go
from the vashet and eventually end up in
the ma. Being that the pit isn't sharp,
we're dealing specifically with a date
pit. It's for that reason it's posited
that Raashi said our memorand saying you
for sure assume that it came through the
ka you don't have to worry about any
punctured holes and therefore the
animal's going to be kosh the garra says
I forgot see what happened in this case
was they tried getting the pit out of
the ka the other way put it in reverse
and it wasn't going out so they said I
don't understand you're telling me that
it came through the ka we can't get it
out from the kunner so isn't that a riot
didn't didn't come in through the ka
it's not a riot cuz nibble it could be
that it made it through the ka over an
extended period of time. This animal had
this pit in its ka
for a very very very long time and over
an extended period of time it made its
way down. We're trying to st it out now
in in 3 seconds you're right that
doesn't work but it's not a that it
didn't come in says this is only true
for a date. What if you have an olive
pit? That's sharp being that it's sharp.
You don't have this and there you have
to assume that it may have gone in
through the
so we're wrapping up the discussion of
so it says you ever wonder why the lungs
in Aramaic are referred to as the it's
interesting the says that the reason the
is called the because that's the one
part of the animal that you have to be.
So it's real. You have to look very very
carefully to make. But that's not what
the Gumar says. The Gmorra says
because it's very good for a person's
eyesight. It's very healthy
that when said that the is good for a
person's eyes. Did he mean just eat the
put it on the grill and eat it? Or did
he mean that if you mix it up together
with other herbs,
you should buy a goose for
and its lungs. You should even pay for
the makes a very basic back of the
envelope calculation.
If you're going to tell me that the
value of the is by eating it, just
putting in your mouth, link it bazoo of
it doesn't make sense. So you're going
to pay your zoo for the entire goose and
four zen for the rhea. Just buy the zuz,
right? What would any Jew do? You buy
the the whole goose for a zoo and you
get the rhea. It comes includ
must be a whole different thing. Must be
the goose itself is a thea together with
all the sam all the herbs all the drugs
that are mixed up with it that already
is for. So you see clearly that it must
be
what happens if
after the animal already had a so the
takes the out and he sees that there's a
hole there but the hole is on the part
of the that the or the was touching. So
could we assume that the rail wasn't
there prior to the and the reason the
nek is there right now is because the
was was touching it he was being
maybe you're not allowed to be once you
see a you have to assume that maybe the
was there all along say
you could be said you can't you can make
my father
he was one of rafam's.
So back in the day the rabbi would get
up and speak and he had a he'd have
someone that would announce
to the public and bellow out the rabbis.
So
said that my father was one of the khali
rafam. He was one of Rafam's main
speakers and he said that he heard from
he wasn't
said that I think that my grandfather
had the right so's grandfather it was
that was the first that we mentioned who
said and what's the riot to that
is that right after an animal a wolf
comes takes the lungs and then brings
brings it back and you see a a hole
there. So we assume that it for sure
came about from the wolf. Why don't you
say that maybe the nek was there all
along and
we had the in the beginning of the so we
don't assume that. So just like we don't
assume that the Z put its fangs
so to over here we have a right to be
and say that if we saw that the the
right after the touched the and that's
precisely where you have the we could
assume that he's the one that made the
nek the nek came about after the it
wasn't there prior and as a result this
animal is not going to be a ma if worms
are coming out of the rail the worms
worms made a hole now in the soa is it a
problem or not so the question is is
that we saw this after the we don't know
if the worms exited the before the or
after the if it was before the you just
didn't see it until after the so then it
was at the time of the animals a tra if
it happened after it's not a problem so
what's
one says you could assume that it
happened before you have to
you're allowed to assume that it
happened after
You can assume that it happened after
the what's the is because you assume
that the worm likes the cozy abode of it
being in the live animal inside the
lungs. Once the happens and it's not so
comfortable anymore that's probably when
it went out. So just based on and it
makes more sense that the worm would
have exited the after that's the more
reasonable as it relates to the suffic
over here is you have a right to be ex
so before we go just one. So we just
concluded a whole several daf about
we're going to get into the kosher and
kosher at the end of the but just for
now one mentioned that
why was the called
that people would eat the and they would
eat it specifically.
So when I went to Gumra I had a based on
that we spoke at a few times in
if you remember the
said an unbelievable theor said that as
soon as the
he severs the even if he didn't sever
the yet which means that this animal
from a standpoint did not have a proper
yet that if the would get a nek it would
be cautious It goes
on the base. He said the reason is
because the ray is attached to the ka
and as soon as the is severed it's dead
and any organ that's attached to the
karma is considered to be dead as well.
His was
as if it's sitting in a basket. So if
that's the case if a neck would happen
to the when it's in a basket when it's
already outside of the animal of course
it would have made the animal a tra. So
too if the was done with the and then
something happened to the it's not going
to be an issue and the
said unbelievable
it should come out according
it should come out that you're not
allowed to invite a non-Jew into your
house and serve him the why not because
the inner of the animal are attached not
to the but they're attached attestive
system of the animal they're attached to
the esophagus. As a result, as soon as
the
just like said that the commander
now the animal's still alive at that
point, we know the animals says for
several seconds. If that's the case, it
comes out from a lumbar standpoint that
[snorts] the benim were removed from the
animal while the animal was still alive.
That's what we know as a
fear. He says for aid to eat is not
going to be a problem because our
definition of what's considered and not
is not whether the a was removed from
the animal while it was alive or dead
but rather was the animal
did the animal have a proper or did it
not have a proper and if you take an a
from an animal that had a proper even
though it's alive it would not make it
then so for that reason we're allowed to
eat despite the fact that we view the as
having been removed from the animal
while the animal was alive cuz it's
true. was alive for a few more seconds
while it was but at the same time it had
but who don't have so for them the
definition of is not was the but rather
was the animal alive and not alive we're
removed from the animal while the animal
is alive based on that said
you're feed
I'm not so sure it's true because
it's going to come out in the laws of as
relates
versus the laws of
relates to there's no such thing along
what do you mean there's other examples
of it the bottom line is that was the
we mentioned that had a who asked he
says he doesn't understand in every
slaughter house there's many animals
that are and what what did they do with
those animals they sell to the
so you don't have to get rid of it
there are things you're allowed to do
with these animals and that's what we do
so you shouldn't have a tremend
Tremendous m we sell to any his question
was how you allow to sell an aa to a guy
assuming that the aa happened at the
time of the means the animal had a of
some sorts but at the same time it was
an aa so there was a shia there was a
hrasa there was a but the point is that
there was a once there's a if the animal
was killed in that particular way that
means first you se the sim the animal
will still which means that
were removed from a standpoint
before the animal was actually killed.
Which means for the [ __ ] are going to be
now even though the said that the [ __ ]
maybe could eat because immediately
that's only if he is allowed to eat it
but in this case the is not allowed to
eat it because there was something wrong
with the cuz at the end of the day
although it was killed in the way but we
batched up in one of the that governed
the laws of and as a result at the end
of the day the guy can't eat it the
can't eat it if the can't eat it then
the guy can't eat it. So by us selling
to the guy we're being the guy name that
was the kasha that he asked and he wrote
a whole he wanted us to do a to a guy
and that was the name of his selling the
the toy take a non-Jewish partner he had
it all worked out and told him that he
number one doesn't like the solution
that this Talmud was proposing because
he thought it caused more problems than
it solves but in terms of the he had two
and the one that we have to for now is
the second one he said and I want to
tell you a clum
and he bas
and that is that the only time you say
that's if you're somebody and you know
for sure the person is going to do the
but if it's possible that the person's
not going to do an that you don't have
to worry about
I want to tell you a
says
that if somebody eats
the of an animal.
It's not real meat. Someone that eats
it.
Interesting. But either way, so it comes
out that really people weren't
likely to eat the so much so said that
if somebody eats the of an animal,
he's not even a person. That's says
[snorts]
that being that when it comes to you're
always allowed to be like we had in
these sug because of choice you could be
he have a right to be and assume that
the is not going to eat it and if he's
not going to eat it you're not being
based on this right here
where the says
what struck me is what about the so
we're talking about says
nobody eats
okay so based on that you know the guy's
going to eat it with the of that's very
nice for that are attached to the what
about the
of
one of the most that's why I thought it
was worth repeating that right there the
ray was attached to the as soon as you
se the
command so I thought who eats the lungs
of an animal right it's I don't think
it's on the local it's on the menu of
your local diner right so who eats lungs
but that is but you have a gamar right
here the gamar says before they used to
eat the lungs.
If that's the case, what happened to the
I found in a chuvo in he asked this. He
says very nice you answer but what about
theo? So the truth is the truth is that
the Gmorra said that people ate the when
was when it was mixed together with that
means it's only when it's together in au
is eat something that's
the other that's
the
when he became the Frankford the mind it
was the first that was ever asked him
where you had the bird that jumped into
a vat of butter and it died and you have
to get rid of And they said, "What do
you mean? Why do you have to get rid of
it?" "Oh, because it's only
is not
immediately." No, that's not what I
meant. The reason is because the bird
while it was alive was maflet into the
and as a result you have a and a pl of
so what are you going to do with You
going to give it to a guy is to a guy
and they asked the who was an of the of
the said what kind of what's in this
said I understand
it's true to a guy but over here it's
really what you're dealing with is Tom
since when is Tom problem for a guy for
a that's a parish
that's the top what does it have to do
with a guy and they were back and forth
is there a do you say b when it comes to
a guy not so could be it's because over
here it sounds like they used to eat the
together with the salar if it's in the
maybe you would have a so [snorts] it
depends really do you say
was that there's no when it comes to a
even you're going to have for a
regardless I think that's totally and
all that but the truth is another
problem over here because what is the of
an animal so now that we know the sugis
a little bit we're a little more
comfortable now in these sug is what's
the BMI and the food comes from the
vashan and goes into the intestinal area
the cave the liver is technically
considered part of the bayim of the
animal let's think of a bird the corkan
so we had very very briefly we're going
to have the corkan coming up again in
the the cork they say saw the cork he
said the cork he knew it from the sug
this is the cork that's the gizzard of a
knife right that's that's something that
people that's something that people eat
so so you have assume the go is not
going to eat the cork of he's not going
to eat liver chopped liver who doesn't
eat chopped liver so I mean all these
things that you have to sounds like an
abstract part of an animal that nobody's
going to eat but the truth is it's not
so posh so I'll tell you something
interesting is
he brings this it's in in
the middle of so all familiar with
what's
used a lot in slang but what's
It's that even though
it's
something
you don't have says the
even though people eat it and
are not considered
it says three
olive
Which one do we need?
If somebody eats the but it's the
and it's true that
is referring to all of this and it
governs that that it makes those parts
in the animal
but people still eat it. In fact, if you
look at the Taz, the Taz discusses goose
liver or duck liver, right? It's a very
food. So is that a realist how could you
say that it's considered very very and
he brings from the Ram says that even
though
certain things are they are they
considered realist they're not
considered but the truth is
and if it's considered today doesn't
matter that once upon a time it wasn't
realist not like everything matters on
what it was in the times of what matters
when it comes to these is
so right Now duck liver goose liver is
very says the and as a result I don't I
don't believe that even though the said
that that kind of liver would be if
that's the case there are parts of the
animal that are technically
you shouldn't be able to apply the
way the applied it unless is going to
say that it's enough of a yet I think
that this is just all the cashes on just
shows you how far
took this that when it comes to
you're allowed to be you could think the
unthinkable and as long as there's any
sad to be at the end of the day I have a
says I know
of and I know the said that the the
liver of the goose is is not technically
although it talks about the the geese
and the ducks so it could be that's a
little different anyways but the bottom
line is is that it's all in in this of
being how far you allow and you see that
it goes pretty far either way.
So argued in the mission said that a
hole in the lungs only makes the animal
if the animal goes in if the if the hole
goes into the base. So those are the
bronchi the bronchial tubes that go from
the con and they make they navigate
their way through the lungs refer to
your picture either way
said that it has to puncture a simp
ones that branch out. It has to be the
so he told him
which which are you referring to the one
from Arabia
I heard that he said
you saw where came from
he met
who said over his follows
said I said
we were we came to the we once traveled
and we came to the land of
and we asked him
and he told us that really what he said
was
how could you walk around saying that
he told him really if that's the case
let me tweak it
He took it. He took out it wasn't but he
was sticking with it wasn't it was
the bottom line.
So we return our attention from the to
the cave. So what's the cave? The cave
is one of the four stomachs of the
animal. That's from tomorrow we'll go
into detail and talk about all the
different stomachs of the animal. But
the the gimar really begins its
discussion of the neckv of the ka with a
little bit of a digression. So we'll do
what we do.
So we know that the of an animal is
in fact if somebody eats the of an
animal even a kosher animal is
talks about what's a carbon that a
person has to bring if he ate
is even in a kosher animal it's a
stating that not all of the of an animal
is
the fat big chunks of fat are but
there's some fat you're allowed to eat,
right? Your meat has fat on it. So, not
all fats are we'll see soon that there's
four mentions of fat in the Torah when
the Torah talks about the and from there
we learn that there are four parts of
the fats of the animal that are in fact
awesome. We'll see that on the bottom of
the but for now the Gar begins its
discussion with the the fat that's on
top of the ka this part of the animal
one of the stomachs of the animal said
that the khan used to eat the shaba. Why
the kahhan? Because the ka was one of
the matuna every that any did once upon
a time he take the
and the ka and he would give it to so
what about the fat that's surrounding
was the
said yes
and they were basing it on something in
the name of
and a good way to remember that it was
who was the one that was the for the
kahan because was
and he helped.
So we know
so who benches the
bench.
But in that you see the benching. Who
benches the
said that it says
and then what does it say?
What's
saying I'm going to bench the kahhan. So
tells the khan you bench and I'll bench
you. That's what
says no I I understand differently.
You know what means it's not Hashem
saying I'm going to bench the but rather
it's Hashem saying I'm going to be mas
to the
giving the so the going to bench and
says I second that so to speak I am
going to be mas to the
giving says the
only know that get
told anyone that gives you a I'm going
to give a so
that means based on they're going to end
up getting a as well. The bottom line is
we have
when it says
what does mean says it's Hashem telling
the I'm going to give you what say? No,
it's Hashem saying that I'm going to
acknowledge I'm going to be masculine.
so to speak to the that giving so the
getting a coin is getting a was a he was
a that was the by learning that the
means that the going to get WASN'T A HE
SAID THAT NO IT'S not referring to the
kayan getting it's referring to Israel
but the asks that at the end of the day
both and agree the going to get
according to
according votes from
says
what's according to everybody
which is
there's no difference so yeah
is a little bit more because within the
of the rest of
all of the are getting a and as well
whereas according to when there's aim
the somehow excluded and it's just like
some external
with a little bit of a thing. Oh, they
get the based on that according to
they're all part of now it's you give
the to them I'm going to give the to
you. It's like a step removed so to
speak but regardless that's what the
says either way. So you find was a mess.
What do you find about and it's that
it's the same was looking at him as
well. He was the one that gave the kayer
to eat the fat that's around the cave.
Okay. So where's that mean? We establish
that has this that he looks out for the
but now we're dealing with a very
specific that he was.
Where does that come from? says
we learned in a Bryce it says
so just a little bit of of
before we learn this next so the
to the ironically is a compass it comes
from why because the play a very special
role in a carbon whereas most of the
meat of an animal was eaten by the
had to be burnt on the m any that had to
be burnt on the misbeh if it was part of
a carbon is the that's
if it's part of a regular animal that's
not either way the says like this so
which will go on the again this is
important because whatever is going to
go on the is not going to be able to eat
the
covers the
again
those are the kidneys
that's on the kidneys
again referring to uh the rash says
flankish that's another part of the fat
either way said that there's four
mentions of in this
is one
is two
is three
that's the fourth one see four mentions
what are the four referring to. So one
is referring to the that's on the caris
that's one of the four stomachics the
other one is referring to the k that's
on the hems in the bacis
another one is referring to the exalen
kidneys that's mafurish the fourth one
is a discussion in the garra later but
what the discussed was not the four
explicit [cough]
mentions of in the but rather the second
so that were The ace the VV is coming to
teach me something. What's the VV coming
to teach me? He says the so you have to
change the gear. It's the ace
coming to me that on the intestines even
though it's not one of the four explicit
mentions of but it's included in the
no it's referring to the that's on top
of the ka so what do you see from here
according to you're not allowed to eat
the k that's on the ka according to
you're allowed to eat the k that's on
the ka because that verb is not coming
to the on the ka what's
you seem was the one that allowed
that was
the same
just like the that's on top of the is
encased with a memory and the fat can
very easily be removed.
So too any part of the animal that has
this covering that can very easily be
removed. So it has two characteristics.
Number one, it's encased with a membrane
chrome. There's a chrome around it. And
number two is you can peel off the fat
very very easily. That's the fat that's
going to be problematic.
He has a third characteristic that just
like that's
it drapes all around the and it's
encased in a membrane and it can be very
easily removed. I've
either way the Gmorra is that based on
and's understanding of what type of
should be what type of come out just the
opposite because the that's has a chrome
and it
makes iter
has to also drape around it does not
drape around which means
which is just the opposite from the way
we just had it says
Robin who was he lived in soul he sent
the telegram back to bubble he said I
just heard from
the second that's the real one you have
to flip the first one it was never
says how do you know
how do you know which is the ones he
said
in the second there was a whole behind
it because you look at the that's on the
car what's the unique characteristics
there's two character traits there's
three character traits the Second is a
little bit more comprehensive [snorts]
than the first one. That's how we know
that's the but says that all the
excitement that we have we just spoke
about for a few minutes
comes out. It's not like it's
the one who was messiah not
what did it say
himself argues he holds that the kayan
would not let it eat the that's on the
cave but he heard from by the way it's
also
but wanted to bring a sim you want to
remember it's not
confusing it's
voice of exo so before we go back to
just one other so we had over here. It's
just worth really exhaling for a minute
and that is so we had when it says
what does that mean according to means
is saying you're giving who's going to
bench you
I'm going to take care of you had a
little bit of different said no saying
I'm going to say it's very nice that are
giving breakfast and what does says
I'm going to be mas the in
it's in
so first the RAM mentions that not every
could there's few exceptions meaning
there are some not but for the most part
can do says as follows that as it
relates to
that doesn't have one of those except
perv one of those exceptions to where
he's not worthy of
even though he's not
he doesn't even have a good reputation.
We know he's not
still
you don't stop
says the rabb tell him not to do him
because he's a bad guy. So because he
does a he shouldn't do either he does he
does a so he has to deal with his a but
but why should he do another a
so why should he go ahead and be says
the here's the punch line
you're going to ask yourself a question
so this is going to get up he's not a
he's not a nice guy people don't like
him he's not doesn't do mitzv and he's
going to get up he's going to and you're
going to hide under your talent and you
can't wait to get a from this says the
probably wondering right
says
don't think I' given you the
do the mitzvah that they were commanded
to
>> [cough]
>> is the one
that gives the says the ram you can have
this he's going to get up and he's going
to give a you're going to wonder what
what kind of what kind of is this as the
ram you have nothing to worry about you
know the says it always bothered me that
theor says
we learn from
[cough] the learn from
that gave you the sky. So we learn from
there
really says it in another place
the context over there is a well-known
and
he said and he gave him a so everyone
knows that but not everybody knows it's
not part of the song is the last line
the very last line
we We're from there
but Alicia wasn't a
but he's giving a so you see from there
so why do you have to come on to
we have the anecdotal cases of where
learned from THERE
[laughter]
gets up and he gives you a so you see
from
I think the Ram is the terret
meaning the Ram's acknowledging that
this might be ahead but at the end of
the day it has nothing to do with that.
It's in a cha it's a long
there's so many beautiful things there.
So he says that you know after he
finishes
so what does he say
we say but what does the say
and there's a whole he continues so he's
bothered what's this he said he heard
this from his father
is is pretty strong really
what does it mean?
So he says everybody knows right in the
beginning of paras
what does the say
the word in Aramaic is a gazer is when
you're doing something that really makes
no sense he said I heard from my father
he said he said he said
he loved it but he said his father did
see he said he said he said because
themes if you think about it that you
have a a gets up
And this who's he
doesn't make any sense
says the whole idea he's getting up he's
do this who might be ahead yet he's
going to give a to the god of how's that
possible it's you're right doesn't make
SENSE IT'S THAT
IT'S A IT'S SOMETHING that he says that
that's what you find what's in
something that has no right.
So anything that really is a
is is referred to as that's
based on that in the beginning of paras.
Either way, a little bit more.
Where are we?
of the animal mean the parts of the that
you're allowed to eat has an ability to
plug a hole that would otherwise render
the animal avoility
to be what's in lie of the previous
makes a lot of sense because the
one of the characteristics of it is that
it's niklaf it comes off very easily so
if it comes off very easily it's not so
embedded in this ne as a result that's
why it doesn't have an ability to be
which doesn't come off easily that is
says
argued and he said no even [snorts]
could be
what about now has no at all
is it
at the end of the day of so based on
that it should
or is it based on the story that we just
said? The [snorts] reason to is because
it's more inshed as opposed to so the of
that's not imshed should also not be
able to be is it a din is iter
is it is it is it is it based on
everything is tar so it should always be
or is it based more on the physical
characteristic it just so happens the is
one way of is another way if that's the
case even though the of is always going
to be maybe should be said
I understand
it's going to be that it should be a
problem says
it was a neative in an animal that
should have made the animal a but
it was brought to
I don't know what the problem is number
one
it's
and amazingly saying that I'm going to
go like and said that Even has an
ability to be said only
said
this should be said
I don't know if this is one reason or
two reasons but he was saying you know
we're dealing with money and we know
so based on that I think should be that
it should be
told I don't understand you have on the
one hand said is not the deal in this
direct
right obviously you can't because
is is something that can be invoked but
very very carefully very sensitively you
have to know when you can use it over
here by you saying
you're going and you're missing
no way in the world you can rely on
exhale again so uh really have to exhale
so just [laughter] so before we conclude
because tomorrow really we're going to
get in we'll have a little bit more
and then we'll be talking about the
stomachs of an animal but for now just
one final going back to what we were
talking about at the end of yesterday's
stuff. So we mentioned that even though
we're learning and it's a huge huge per
and it talks about a whole bunch of
different body parts of the animal and
different traers stating that the right
in the beginning of
says that you should know that you don't
really have to worry about traers. I
don't even think about it. If you see a
trafa, okay, then you saw it. But to go
out of your way and start testing the
animal and running diagnostics to see
whether it's a tra you don't have to cuz
that's where the
one of the reasons. So you don't have to
worry about it because you have
everything except for one thing that is
the you have to check the to make sure
that there's no circus. So amazingly you
have this huge peric perus
and pictures and everything all over the
place. But really the practical part of
this for the most part comes down to
three lines in this and that is the on
the bottom of
the
so again what were the circus? the
circus are these adhesions which are
either a sign of an injury that was
that's the way Rashi learns or of an
injury that's going to be that's the way
Tyus learns but regardless if there's an
adhesion on the lungs we assume and
based on that that's obviously going to
be an issue so from a standpoint the
says you have to check the surface so
how exactly do you check the circus so
we started yesterday mentioning that
really it's a
and
in simil cutting your gimbal says that
it's very simple right after they
shacked an animal so they suspend the
animal there's a he comes and he does
aikas pinn it's called he does like an
internal exam he sticks his hand on the
ray it's the only thing you have to
check and he push he he's goes around
the ray area if he feels any friction
there's any inhibition anything's in the
way that means it might be a he pulls it
out if it looks like a
done there's nothing you can do if it's
something that's just You could tell it
was nothing. It's what referred to as a
rear
then it's not but as long as it's a any
type of adhesion there's no further
testing necessary that was memor there's
nothing to do at that point it's
automatically going to be a tra saying
that said there was a hat the was there
were people that they had these were
these were they would pull the out and
if they saw they didn't automatically
assume that it was a that would
disqualify the animal but they would do
what's referred to as mishmush and they
would start rubbing it and and fetching
it and lightly to see if it came off.
The thought process was is that there's
a that
it's even if you're the whole day, it's
never going to snap. And if it snaps
off, that's a that it's not a that
disqualifies the animal. Nothing to do
with injuries and neg. And as a result,
there's not going to be a problem, says
the Rama. And even though it's a that's
what's said it's the rush. He says make
sure this is a because you have to be so
careful when you do this. It's not an
easy to do. So you have to be very very
careful to make sure that it's being
done properly. Then the Rama says that
even though I'm allowing you to do it
because that's the minute
but I'm only comfortable allowing it
with the notur the
already I'm not so comfortable but then
says what should I do
I would prefer that at the very least
you you do what I told you to do and not
to rely on it for the first
[snorts] bottom line is is that the Ram
said that he saw a tremendous that just
because it's a doesn't mean you could do
this test what's called and assuming
that the comes off based on the that's a
right that this is not the and based on
that you would not have an issue wasn't
so comfortable with it but at the end of
the day begrudgingly he said I'm okay
with you being on that we mentioned that
the minute in always was that in the
follow any he got rid of it and
the Ashkanazi
Kryen they followed the minig of the
Rama stating that exactly what the test
was evolved with time and we mentioned
from the Bavin who said that he already
had heard that about 100 years earlier
that's it's going back to the 18th
century or so in Prague there was a
minute to do kilo and we mentioned the
different stim the said that anyone that
relies on this thing called Michael
we spoke a little bit about that
yesterday but this is where it gets
interesting we're all familiar with the
term of kosher and glaucoma. So what's
the difference between kosher and
glacos? Historically it was very very
straightforward. You have the ram. The
ram said that you could take the ray out
of the animal. It could have circus on
it and you can still eat it. Now if you
do the mish and it plays out then it's
going to be okay. Historically not
everybody wanted to eat meat like that.
So you go to your local butcher shop,
you go to your and you'd say, "I want a
piece. It's a glat kush." Glat kosher
was when you didn't have to rely on the
rama, but you pulled the out and it was
clean. It was a It was a perfect It was
like, it was perfect. It came out with
no issues. That was glad kosher. The
kosher was relying on the which is not
terrible. The says that everybody's
doing it. It's not the end of the world.
Some he's not so comfortable with. But
at the end of the day that historically
was always the difference between kosher
and glac kosher stating that today it's
very different and the reason is today
most animals we rely on this muk and
mishmush or kil the way it's being done
today which means that when you buy your
glat kosher ft yeah prime rib you're
most likely relying on kil you're most
likely relying on it's not glat kosher
in the technical sense but what does
glat mean? It's the word, the
definition. Glat means smooth, right?
There's no circus, right? That's what
glat means. It's not a higher standard
of kashas. That's the way it's used in
on the street, but that's really not
what it is. If you want to be technical,
technically it's just gl
one that had no circus on it, and you
have the nons smooth one. The problem is
even your glac kosher me today had
circus on it. So, what's the difference
between kosher and kosher? What's what's
pasha? What's the difference today? So
the difference it's really based on on
the and
in the back of the
he has a it's called he talks about this
and and the origin of this because it's
not so clear but the reality is this
today we're we're
only if there aren't many circus number
one so they're few quantitatively
additionally they're not big circus so
they're small qualitatively if however
you have either large or you have a many
then in your glac kosher slaughter house
it's going to be so they're going to
sell they're not going to use it so the
difference today between your kosher and
your galat kosher is how far we take
this rama do we take this and say as
long as it can come off with kof or
withish I don't care how many circus
there are or how big the circus are or
no we we use it but sensitively that
that is the between kosher and glac
kosher. So your glat kosher is going to
rely on the ram if it's not really glat
because glat would mean that there's
nothing on it. So your glad kosher would
rely in the ram only for small and if
there aren't that many your kosher would
lie in the rama even if they're big it
doesn't matter what exactly it's going
to be the question is where did this
come from where's this between big and
small didn't mention that I was very
clear didn't like it to begin with and
even came around and he said
but he didn't like it for that today
even if it's a we're going to go like
we're still going to Make we make for
all circus. It's not a question of are
they circus between and that's not what
that's not what we do. It's just simply
the size of it. Is it this big? No. This
small? Yeah. This many that little
that's really what it's going to depend
on. It's almost like
had his definition of when he was
comfortable with us removing. We do it a
little bit differently. I mean that's
what Rabbi Aiv discusses in his what the
origin what's the to this between big
and small and many and few but
regardless that's what kosher and glac
kosher means today what's there's no
circus at all there's no circus at all
so the truth is I mean if you think
about it is is is is much more mud it's
not even a question it's much more mud
because we're relying when we eat meat
that had circus on it we're relying on a
kula that the ra was so uncomfortable
says there's nothing to talk about.
So we're coming on the didn't like it.
Of course the we spoke from the even
with the he said
and you can't be you have to be
it's true but in the world of and in the
world of this would seem to rank very
high because at the end of the day
you're dealing with real issues and
we're dealing with and and you're
dealing with something that we're basing
on that the Rama himself didn't like so
much and even today there's kasabi kulas
cuz with the kil that's not that's
questionable there's so many questions.
I'll just tell you a double that I found
you know the chuv blaz of fleckless was
a movie. So he wrote it's printed in
Gimmel of it's impossible to find the
but it's been out of print for a long
time but but if you find he wrote a a
commentary he wrote a commentary on the
so this is in one of the he says the end
of sim test it's actually the last piece
in simil
anybody quote this this is a I think a
nice
who's
The majority of
is always
it's just the opposite over here was and
was the listen to what listen what said
he says
would have gone in the reverse
So [snorts] he says took on and it's and
in a way it's a good thing because
there's so many in the so when we take
on there's so many but said when we were
to be ashkenaz took on the right was an
Ashkanazi god. So he says when Ashkin
Basok on the they had to take on one.
What was the they took on? Didn't have
to but that's inevitably what happened.
The of
says I think it was
because there's more that come from that
one of than come from all the has
throughout unbelievable right
says the
we have
As a result, it's and you don't have to
be mahara after