Chulin 45

Today's and we are 15 lines from the of [clears throat] today's being learned as and so we're moving along discussing things that I think to most of us are very obscure and very foreign. some of the technicalities [snorts] of the anatomy and physiology of animals. And really without further ado, another hardcore alert stating that the daf begins with almost just on a light note before we're going to get into some of the heavy material says the said what is the definition of a person that is able to be royal. He's able to inspect his own traphos and in an unbiased way he's able to say whether this is a tra or whether this is not a tra. So how do you define someone that has no when it comes to the truth is that this is for sure not the most conventional definition of you would think the definition of is either a orim but someone who has some I'll say in a lot of places you also have to be but is someone that has no when it comes to he could be royal in [snorts] an objective way. If you take a look at the bottom says the definition of atom is whatever the definition of atomic is but we know that one of the areas that has a special in is in the world of so ordinarily if somebody loses an object if he wants to claim it he has to deliver a simmon stating that is able to claim an object even if he doesn't have a physical tangible sin based on that it's not enough that he knows how to learn. You have to make sure that he's when it comes to somebody that could be in an objective way. That means he has an ammon when it comes to that's the way he has the other mile of but on top of that he has to be someone that also is unbiased and the truth is it's an interesting topic because there are different sug and in different sugary so when you're dealing with so over you have to make sure that you don't have the when it comes to this in other. So then there might be another wrinkle and another nuance. So yeah, there's a general understanding of what is, but then there's nuances that play themselves out depending on the individual as it relates to as it relates to the definition is which is why we're having this conversation over here in the middle of said a similar idea is the says [snorts] who said this in So what is an example of a someone that's explains that if somebody's in an objective way that means he's not so attached to money. If he's not so attached to money he's certainly not going to want money from other people. So he's a person that falls into this category that he's a by the way said in the name this is any person that knows he knows he's also someone that knows how to be and he's also which means so this person hit for the cycle he learns he learns Mishna he learns He's now why did we interject between Mishna and but the bottom line is he's someone that has a certain additionally he's a so a person like this a person like that is now what's the emphasis why this because says he's means he's enemy to the extent that he is a royal he's not so attached to money he's a so how then does he make it through the day it's obviously through his own so this person is going to be it's the person that's right is also so it's for that reason he's obviously going to be the person that's gonna be said this person in addition the of being he's going to have he's going to have how so because it says means more on this very light digression when they would send him something from the house of the he wouldn't accept it and when they would invite him to the house. He wouldn't go. And the way he would excuse himself was you don't want me to live. So I want to live. I want to take. So if they would send something, he wouldn't take it. If he would get an invite, he wouldn't accept it either. If somebody would send him a gift, he wouldn't accept it. However, when he was invited as would go he would say I think that by me going it's not that they're giving me I'm actually giving them. But this is the idea of an where you find in but the bottom line is that there is this concept of sometimes when somebody receives a gift from somebody he's actually giving more than it is that he's taking and used to invoke that not when it came to receiving gifts because if you take it to go not getting so much cover but if they're able to say you know who was by my shabas table I had the to host wow that's a T4 that's tremendous cover and as a result understood that by him accepting the invite, he's actually giving more than he's taking. And it's for that reason this was okay. So just to speak out one tiny related to the though by far lighter portion of today's it's not even close but uh just to speak out one tiny what came to mind is the says was sick says went to he saw [snorts and clears throat] he saw that he was lying down in a dark house. So he lifted his uh sleeve, he exposed his arm and all of a sudden light started to shine in the room when he was able to see. So he was able to notice a little bit more carefully and he saw that he was crying. He told him, he said, "Why are you crying?" It's because he didn't learn enough. Maybe it's because he's such an man. But now everybody's and if it's because you didn't have from your children properly says you want to know what I went through this is the bone of my 10th son either way famously responded to him he told him I'm not crying for any of the reasons that you just mentioned but the reason that I'm crying is this is a well-known right in the beginning of was an he was lying in darkness. He had no nothing. He was you see it. How's it possible such a thing? The great he's the second biggest of as we've spoken about many times, right? He's the one to being the one. So I think this we just learned there's the rest of the story says he believed and because he believed that's maybe just a little to that very well-known base. Either way, this concludes the light portion of today's we now return to our regular program which is laws related to traus. Now we're in the middle of going through the Mishna traphus specifically the second tra that's mentioned and that is so the and the feature so prominently throughout the are the first two that are mentioned in the mission of tus the Mishna says that if there's something off with either the vash or the garggeras that would render the animal a trafa however in terms of what the definition of something off is is literally mis as it relates to the a neck of the size of a renders it a relates to the gar it's we saw the good morning yesterday we learned a kukasarasuba that was already a whole shila is it or kala but the bottom line is in order for there to be a a problem in the garggeras that would render the animal a traa it would have to be nipsuba there's other that's tra and the garggeras and this is a Mishna that's the over there says garggeras if there's a neck in the garggeras there's a hole in the gargeras and the hole is the size of an isser size of some coin is that would also render it uh traa so there's really two ways for there to be an issue with the garggeras for the animal to become a traer. There's the saysukasaras and then there's the nundaw that says nikvaharas. What's the difference between pukas and nikva? The difference is nikva means there part of the garggeras that's missing. There's a hole. That means there a piece of garggeras that's lying on the floor somewhere. It's physically not in the animal. there as long as it's the side of of an issu that already would render it into a traa. Our mission is talking about where all of the matter m a t of the k of the garggeras is physically in the animal. It didn't go anywhere. No is a split. There's a garggeras. then is that if the size is only an issa is if it was actually either way with that tiny bit of an introduction the first part of the part of today's name of in the event that there are holes in the like a seieve meaning there are many many holes if you look at a seieve there's a whole bunch of little holes so If you have a whole bunch of little holes for what? For the she. So in the event that you would take all the holes and you would align them. You would have aukasa then would be a traus. So again you don't have sukasuba. And the reason is because all these holes are all over the place. But to the extent that if you took the holes and you put them into one line you would end up with auba. So then the is the and it becomes a problem with he asked the he asked the from in the laws of so is that we know that a mace is not just an entire m but different and certain and they also have the ability to be this over here is discussing the skull of a person if he is a hole in the it's one hole and it's long or even if there's a whole bunch of different holes that are not in one place is they would hear to the shear of a which is the amount of whole where we would say this is nuance that if the has that it's not considered a gyus and it's not going to have the ability to be metab So here's the point is if however there's a hole the size of a like the hole of somebody's drilling into it is then already it's considered if it's not going to be what if there's a whole bunch of little holes are they are they not so that's the part of the price that we need even if there's many holes what do you see from his being that is so if you have a whole bunch of different holes that would bear I don't [ __ ] Why does it have to have a Why don't we say that? Without the introduction, it's impossible to understand. Why is it that if you have a whole bunch of holes is the sheer of the holes would be a what do you need a for the is when there's no it's when there's a when there's a ne the is which is a much smaller shar if that's the case let bear to now you're going to tell me maybe the only time a nev is is when it's in one place but maybe it's notar for that has a from where there's which makes the gyus and the is that if you have a whole bunch of tiny holes that the proper so just like in a hir so why would we say the same exact thing that allar here so why do you have to have it meaning it sounds like if the hole was in one place that's the but being that they're not in one place he can't be mitarif to of it's more in line of this is no hole at all. So if you have all these different holes and it's can't be better than but in terms of it being a neck of it has to be in one spot I have a pressing from that that's not the way it is but the says the who asked this he forgot that the said over in the name of exactly what he wanted Rav to really say and that If you have holes with it's only meaning when said it was talking about there was no invented then based on the president from exactly wanted asked the very he forgot that the had already explained that this is something that in the event that the is missing a a strip. So think of the as something that you can peel off. So there's just one strip on the side of the ka that was removed. So you take how much was removed and to the extent the is this is not because you don't have a hole that's going through and through but there is a in the because of the fact you removed one layer so that's considered it's somebody that's so who said this said this in the name on this talking about this is exactly how this part of the D began. What did Rab say? He said but then we clarified it only if there's no but if there's let's see what he's going to say. He said exactly what Rav said after the clarified what Rav said. In other words, is the identical. So what does this mean? In the event that there's a in the garggeras, how big or small would the have to be in order to render it into a trafa? So again, if it's nipa, that's the mission. But we now know there's another shar in terms of the ggeras becoming a that's not the that's the question is that sheer that's mentioned there is that true for an also or is it only true for and the truth is rashi says that the gur in the question knows it can't be and when the garra says it's not even claring is it like Rashi says she doesn't explain why probably because too big relative to the but the bottom line is the wants to know what is so again he was just mentioned in the previous he said I'll tell you what I heard from he said as follows he said so you take the area where the hole is or where the holes are because we know the holes are metarifier. That's the previous and you even take the area actually says it's in between the holes. So let's say there's one hole or there's three holes that's shaped like a triangle. So you take that whole triangle, you would fold it over and you would put it on the P of the KA on the opening of the if that area is so big that it covers the majority of the opening of the that means that area where the holes are are too big already and the is would be a and if would be a that a good sim a good way to remember this is a why is this a good way to remember says Rashi says that when people would put a a seieve on top of something. So if you could just picture uh a seieve that's made of a material that you're putting on top of a barrel and you're going to pour something in the barrel and you want all the sediment to remain on top and all the the good stuff should go on the bottom. So what they would do is they would take it and they would stretch it on top of the opening of the barrel. That's very often the way the seieve was just physically [snorts] put into place. So what we're suggesting is take this area and visualize in your mind as if you're putting it literally on top of the ka right the ka is shaped like a tube. So you're literally stretching it out and seeing it's of the area then it's going to be a not and Rashi just says this is the part this will be the really the is the question because the question was with regards to now was the question really regards to the question was what is the sheer ne when it comes to but it's negative as well as we mentioned because that's the previous doesn't have to be in one place. It could be in many places. So the Shiloh is Nick for kafa and the terret is I'm answering me or you want to talk to me about seieves I'll be able to explain it to you in the context of a as well says the what would be if there's a hole in the garggeras but the hole is such where the part of the ka that is missing So that it created the hole is actually attached to the gun. So what does that mean? It means it's attached but at the same time it's not in place. In fact you can open it and close it like a door. Hence the mushel again you have all these malam over here where it's so there's a something is miss. I said because that's a bad pun with the but the truth is it's right. So the area is is missing right now. However, it's attached to the rest of the kunnel like a door is attached to a house. So when you open the door, the door is missing. No, but there's an entrance where you can go in. Yeah, you can come in, but at the same time, you can't say that it's detached. So it's tricky. On the one hand, it's attached. On the other hand, it's detached. How exactly do you look at this? So the said the she is could you take an and put it in if the answer is yes then it's going to be too big if not it's not going to be too big Rashi says that even though at first glance it sounds like this is the exact same shear of what it would be if it wasn't there at all right if it's not there at all so uh what's this shear this shear is uh kisaar so aren't you telling me it's kisa sashi says no because actually this year she is a little bit bigger because in order for the Issa to be able to go in and out you know very comfortably. So then this size would actually have to be a little bit bigger. So this is the benefit that you get because of the fact that it's not 100%. it's so therefore we're a little bit and if it's only the size of an isa it's still going to be okay if it's such we're sticking with the just for the sake of simplicity right there's nothing uniquely associated with the traus of the garggeras and the is right in fact you're going to lose money if it's a trafer but there's no direct correlation between the two and so I can use the same exact marshall and just expand it a little bit further nist what would be if there's a crack in the so this is however the way Rashi explains it it's not it's what would be the shear over there so the says point and he said even if all you have is a on top and a on the bottom that in of itself is going to be okay so it's I don't even care as long as there's one one uh strand of cartilage that's on the top of and one on the bottom and doors are intact. It's going to be fine. They said what said he said that it's totally said who needs I understand you don't need this says let me tell you what as long then of itself is going to be okay another anecdote related to this they the said what you just said. So again said I don't even know why you need that they come to he said like you said like you so heard that he was to him he told the says that he meant this right sometimes this feels a little bit but no Rashi says that he was actually saying it he says wow I'm so impressed the Raben who lived from Bavari says knows how to say such a good shot because Ra didn't say such a and I'm very impressed that got it right as far as I'm concerned he said it the way I said it so let's just hit the pause button for one second it's an interesting idea that we know is right underpins the whole right but yet it's only when it's if it's then it's going to be different is but everybody agrees it's way more cool according to you according to as long as you have a that in it of itself is going to be okay. The question is what's the difference? wife it's then already takes it out but when it's so Rashi asks the question and Rashi explains Rashi says that when the he is so what's going to happen is because the is going to pull down that's on the bottom of the corner and the is going to pull up that's on top so that is going to end up becoming less le and less than rife and less than rife and eventually the whole thing is going to pop. It's going to be nipac and therefore once it's a ready rife once you're ready at that point. So at this point uh I'm not okay with it. So when it's nip buba I can almost see it as if it's going to be completely gone. If it is gone then already there's a ruble element here because of what's going to happen afterwards. It's not because of where we are, but it's because of understanding the science of the rehea and the throat that this is where it's going to play itself out. If however it's on the side over there, not only don't you have this problem, but in fact Rashi says it's just the opposite. It's just the opposite there. It's actually going to be kept intact by the surrounding. It's going to eventually heal and therefore it's not going to be an issue. So this is an interesting in terms of understanding which again so fundamental to the sugaras is a problem. It's not because once is an issue which is the same thing. It doesn't concern me. It's only the and it's based not so much of where you are but where we anticipate you're going. It's because of what we believe is going to happen after the fact and it's for that reason this is an issue said over following in the presence of he said the entire of an animal is from the fame remember that's like the very thick cartilage until the lower wings of the lungs. So this next portion of the daff is going to discuss what part of the ka is kasher as it relates to now what part of the ka is kasha as relates to what do you mean I thought the whole k is kasha terra says no this is hag now we know a lot about hama already we know what the shea is in terms of how high up on the kora you're allowed to go to with a whole ensuing plot and change of whole bunch of different the there's a whole bunch of uh different variables as it relates to that. We know what the upper limit is as it relates to the that's the we spoke about the other day. We even know a little bit of how low on the vashet you're allowed to go. brought a memor from Rav that talked about till the part where it gets hairy is at the last before the right that was also a whole really if you think about it the only part of this that we didn't go through yet is how low on you're allowed to go in the world of and that's really what's playing itself out says over that you're on the entire from the so the attach matches the throat area to the lungs and the lungs has wings and it's the that's the low point. That's how far uh your ladder goes. And you want to know what this Indian is? That's basically how it play out. Now, first of all, the lungs don't really have wings, right? The lungs have wings like the animal has defos and like you could have a cadelis, right? All these different that we're using in these garas are just but the lungs doesn't really have wings. It has in English I think it's called loes but the bottom line is it looks to the amateur as a wing and hence we're using a word that we're all able to relate to. So you have all these loes that um sprouts out of the and it's the one that's by the that's considered the low point in terms of how far you'd be able to go when it comes to which has its implications in the world of says the RA explained this price and he said when we said what it means is it's the which is really the okay confusing enough so what does this Rashi says a rashi says that if you look at the lungs so you're going to see a whole bunch of wings. So is it the wings that are closer to the top or is it the wings that are closer to the bottom? Now we said certainly sounds like the ones that are on the bottom but said it's really come again says it's because rab was discussing when an animal is hanging from its hind legs. So when it's hanging from its hind legs when they're you know ripping this animal apart that's way they used to do it. So in that situation the is actually the and right this is called this is what's going on over here. So it's not the when the animal is standing straight up. It's the tina when the animal is upside down which means it's really so it's the top of the loes if it was standing straight. That's what the low watermark would be. And Rob explained why he feels that again this is a Robert came and Robert said he said what is means it means so how did he know that I am of the opinion that when it comes to the part of the latter so let me tell you the cheat sheet look at an animal while it's grazing in the field so what's the animal going to do? It's going to bend over, right? Obviously, it's a that's how it bends and that's how it eats. So, take a look at any part of the that's going to be bent while it's eating. That's all considered the area of the meaning any part of the ka that's going to be bent over that's a caution part of the ka to be able to any part not and being that the when the animal standing straight is not going to be part of that. So when we say must mean oh why you calling it the because you're looking it from its hind legs as opposed to from its four legs continued said you also have to make sure because again according to what's the low point but it's only whatever the animal does naturally but if somebody would force like the to get a little bit higher up so that it would be part of that area that would not count. You can see how people would have been unsure whether it was if the animal forces itself that part of the that's inver says take was sitting together and it was what does that mean? It means they said something that they agreed on. So uh always comes as news but this is like they said as in the event that somebody forced the forced thea to be a little bit higher up and he went ahead and heeded it's going to be possible. So the only part of the ray that's going to be kosher is the part that naturally bends over when the animal bends over to eat and if somebody forces not going to be okay which is essentially what said they said another thing they said in the event that there's a hole in the underneath where the is the breast of the animal which is going to talk about now but if there's a neo that's already treated like the what's the av in The size of a mash makes the into a tra a ne in the that's the size of an iser that's it has a if it doesn't have a it's going to be okay but if there's a nek in the that's underneath the area so we look at the there not as the we look at it as the if you look at it as the dinner ready and look at the beginning of this what from that is going to be so we just mentioned what is the is part of the animals considered actually says that this is actually discussing. So we know in the even though it was there was a certain that was given to the specifically and the this wants to know what part of the animal is the they want to know what their is going to be. So it says the brea this is the part of the animal that's saka. So meaning it's the bottom part of the animal where the animal is standing on four. So it's the part that's not what's above that. Additionally here too we're describing where the animal is being hung from its hind legs. So ma it's going to be where the savver is going to be the car. the between the and the it's all that part and only the bottom part the part that's what the person would do is he would take the two ribs says these were salo these were small ribs and they were on the top part of the animal he would cut those two ribs one is on one side of the animal the other on the other side of the animal right the of the animal are the sides of the animal this side of that side of This is the that was given to the gahhan. Either way, this concludes at least momentarily the part of the Mishna. So moving along the said and the next was if there's a hole in the chrome the membrane that surrounds the brain that too would be considered a tra says the ramul ra and both said they were in agreement. They said that as relates to the chrome of the it means the upper even though the hole is not at the bottom. So it seems that the brain of an animal is encased by two layers of membrane. What's known as the ilah and the tata. The ilah is the one that's farther from the brain. I mean it's not that far but it's farther. The tat is the one that literally encases the brain said that when the Mishna says that makes it a tra it doesn't mean that the neck of had to go through the outer into the inner even if it's the and not the that would be okay and some say that no was in so it doesn't help us much we know agree the problem is we can't agree on what agreed on says And uh a way to remember a way to remember these uh membranes. So think of a like a little sack like this little encasing. Rashi says is a sack. So it's literally physically inside. That's what the lower membrane is. And this is the sim according to the mandar that the ne has to be tak in the lower the inner of the two membranes. Rabbi connected the Bimicker. [snorts] He said that when it comes to the Batesim the testicles of the animal. So Rashi says they also have these two encasings and over there you could see it right you can't see it in the brain but over here you would be able to see it. So he was just giving a mush you want to understand a little bit better what these two layers are. So think of and like this you'll be able to understand a little bit better what we mean when we talk about the mishap as it relates to the as it relates to the brain. It's anything that's indictated. So the brain is not in a dictator, right? It's not in a pot. Again, this is another example of Kazala just using everyday language to describe these medical and uh scientific ideas. But any part of the that's inside the this is the cranium of the brain. This is something that encases the brain is treated like any part of the brain that goes outside of this proverbial that's already considered part of the spinal cord. So the spinal cord is attached to the brain and there's therefore a little bit of ambiguity of you know where the mayak ends and where the spinal cord begins right what's that cut off point so Benazi in the name of Ley in the name of said look at the that's the cut off any part that's in that's any part that's outside of that's okay we're exactly Does that cut off itself go? She says where does it go from to you think you'd be able to see it very clearly, right? But we need apparently a little bit more pish. So where does that even happen? So the I heard explain it to me. He said there are like two pin. So what's a pole? A pull is a bean. Again, this is another word that we're using. There's no beans, but there's another uh right word that we're using to describe the Indian. So there's these two beans that are by the what about the area of themselves says that that's going to be treated like once did a found something that looked like these two bull. That's why used this as a because you find that that's to the everyday man a little bit what they're going to look at. Moving along said that in the event there's a a hole in the heart of the animal if it goes that also is going to be considered a trick. So what's bal is the chamber of the heart the heart chamber. So if the hole goes that's going to be considered had the following question. So apparently there's the larger chamber and then there are the smaller chambers. He wanted to know is it the base or the base told I don't understand why you would even have such a question didn't we learn said was discussing a tra a neck of he said that if there's a hole in even though that makes it into a but it requires it would have to go into the bronai into the this is what we need that [snorts] what did mean when he said he meant he said it has to go all the way into the simple now the simple is like that inner bigger one so you see it's not enough if the neck just touches some of the smaller it has to go to the simple so it's that when you're dealing with a neckv in the of the lathe it probably means the larger one which is actually says the inner one So it's not enough that there are holes in the outer smaller ones. It's probably should have to go all the way to the middle. So again we're telling through the lungs to the heart. I'm sure a doctor would say no right it's two completely different fields of medicine different professions it's not mish the same but is saying that if the way views that it means this then it's you're talking also then when you talk about it means as opposed to the to the not it says so you know what that means it means it means the place where all the little simpos meet and where they converge and that's the over here it says it in the singular and if that's the case I don't know which one it means I don't know which one and because I don't know which one so it's for that reason I'm going to have a little bit of a sha and felt that's why he wasn't sure is So told him what do you mean? Why is it different than simple? He said it says means as opposed it says in the singular I have no way really to know 100%. It's interesting means in the singular right you would think if anything means the opposite. It's not referring to the simp with the bas right all the different it sounds a little more like you're dealing with the smaller ones. This is as opposed to in the singular is probably talking about the idea but which is so just the opposite says no means the bias with all the come together it's the base that's what that is and that's the as opposed to the I don't know what in the singular mean I don't really know what it is one more as relates to the of the so This k over here doesn't mean the k as in the k and the vessel. We don't mean the trachea, but we mean some sort of tube, some uh vessel, some pipe, right? That's usually what a ka is a reed. It's not literally a reed, but the ka of the le what's the what's the what's the shil? The question is in terms of a ne in this what would the share be? So the says so what part of the animals the in the name of it's referring to the fats of the animal that are on the sides of the animal. So the of the animal is the side of the animal. If there's a negative in those fats according to even and according to that would be considered a trick but says is that possible says the life of the animal is not totally in the fat right the animal would do better if it lost it not if it has it. So uh the fats on the side of the def I can't imagine is what's keeping it alive. Right? So if that's the case that can't be what's going on over here. So the gar says what it means is it means the shum the fat that's shaped like a con that's on the sides of the referring to being that it's already affiliated with the which is an that's over there. If there was something wrong with it, there was some sort of puncture. We're having this conversation. The says there's three of these. One of them goes into the heart. The other one goes into the lungs. And the other one goes into the liver. The one that goes into the is treated like the infus. So a ne the size of a mashu makes a tra in the will be the same thing. kavda as it relates to the one that goes into the the liver that be treated like the liver. What's the of a neckv in the liver? So the Misha says only if the entire liver was removed do we view it as a tra but a neck of itself is not going to be an issue the lia what about if the k is in the lake ple that's the we mentioned earlier he had just the opposite and this is counterintuitive the ko of the is treated like the which means it's only considered a trade it's 100% removed the kora of the is like the rea so ne is going to be a problem the libra as it relates to K of that's where there was ra once again there was rag regarding kah we had to figure out uh what the kah is and uh in the course of figuring out or trying to figure out what the kah is we mentioned that there are other kors as well one last anecdote went and he said over ra's in the presence of he comes to and He tells that you know what Rav said regarding the he said that if there's a hole the size of a mash it would be considered a so he said if this is what said this is the second time that we had that refers to as now if you remember let's just freeze the screen for a second if you remember there was used to refer to ra as abba rashi says it was a lion of covet says no because that was uh his name right according to rashi that used to speak to refer to him as well. What was his real name? So that we said over Margarus's classic he says I think his name was Rav because there's a lot of people who are named Rav and they probably called him Rav the way they called his the other but either way. So he says this might be a clue based on what he's about to say. He said he says this is what holds which by the way seems to support is shot a little bit better that ab is not a lion of coven starting him off the lush coven then all of a sudden he comes back and he says well if this is what raz thinks he doesn't know anything about it take a look at tis over there quotes but regardless we are going to stop this segment ment of Alut Trafus right here. So as it relates to Raid, I think it's Kadai to uh go back to yesterday's D which was really a repetition of Z that talked about different that had taken upon himself. The says bizarre pigle theor says what did mean when he said these things at first glance it sounds like what he's saying is I didn't do the biggest aas in the world is being misspire they didn't do the biggest in the world says the mean lovely day means which means he didn't eat from a what does that mean? I never ate from a any that required a was not a behemoth that I ever ate from. Now in the Zion brought this me of and because of the fact that this brought as the 30 the third how you know that it's really cautious brought it to the next line. Why didar bring it? Because told the story about a traa that it seemingly Rav held was a problem and Rabb went ahead and he was and not only was he even ate from it, right? He bought 13 ai worth of this buser and he ended up eating from it and the gumar asked a bunch of cashes on the story but one of the cesar said was that how was he able to eat from it required himself at the end of the day required and if never ate from such an animal so why would he have eaten from such an animal and the garra came out and the garra said that the reason this was different is because understood this is only nea But wasn't just saying right was saying something that he knew what was the sack was based on and based based on this idea this does uh not come into this in says as follows. He says but the hein based on is not anywhere is that it's shouldn't eat from it. So it says to that if there's a but the way he came to his was based on why it doesn't say anyway that it's if you're should not eat from this says what is the to this because really this whole comes more from than it does from. You see that said that he never ate sar pigle which the garra says means what he never ate from an animal and the gumar qualified the what say that's only but if it's not then in that situation this is not going to apply but the bottom line is what do you see from here you see that there's an idea that was not to go ahead and eat from an animal says this is not everybody but it's so if somebody's there's a that tells him what he's not supposed to do not eat from aart brings a fascinating said what would be if there's a it's could be or could maybe not be in other words is saying that from we learn that if there's a hat they're based on it's a good thing to be mmed makes it into if it's so there's no should because it doesn't raise to that level being that it's that it's based on so you have a higher [snorts] feeling and sense that this is probably okay and it's for that reason I'm not going to tell you now what if I want to be m what if I want to be so from that then not only do I not eat really nis and tra and not only will I not rely on I'm even going to go and be with something is is like which really is based on A I don't know I'm still NOT 100% SURE WHAT IF I WANT TO BE even on something that's can I or can I not that I found that this is really a just to read a little if would fall into a so we know that is that a cliche doesn't have the ability to be so what would be if somebody has a situation where was the that you have is the of a of a cliche so cliche is not that means it's not considered hot it doesn't have the ability to impart belie and plus So what would be if you have a but it's in a cliche or there was that fell into a where it was a but to go ahead and be says of that if somebody wants to go ahead and be he should know he's being unbelievable. So the says he found from that if somebody wants to be even on aurish this is something that he's allowed to do says if that's the case but you have to say that what did stating that says >> [laughter] >> that if somebody wants to go and he wants to be on something that these two examples HE'S BECAUSE HE'S NOT like it says he found that what would be if somebody wants to be on something within you don't have to that's the based on the base but let's say you want to be can I or can I not the said that of course because anytime there's any little bit of of is even if it's in a cliche even if it's a DISGUSTING AND IF THAT'S the case mitzvah there's no sh in the world is a mitzvah to go ahead and to be in such a situation the brings from the that if somebody wants to be not only is he doing a good thing but to the contrary how can so you have two opinions of how to view something like this and it's literally either it's a mitzvah because you're miracle from something disgusting or could be it's literally which is which is the most thing that a person can possibly do. I saw Margolus in which is his commentary that he wrote on and this is in so he quotes this who brings from the who said this unbelievable that if somebody wants to be on something that's such as being that maybe it's or not relying It's and he at different places where you find by the such an idea that if somebody wants to be not only is it not okay not only is it not but to the contrary there's a of the first example this might be the best known this is in Ra is talking about the laws of Shia and you know how you prepare for which is you know we have it down to a science but it's really in an old world was pretty complex says any person who doesn't believe in and he says I'm not going to eat on Shabas because this is complic See it you have to be maybe he's a man use that if somebody goes ahead he doesn't eat you think he's a man now you learn this what do you think of you think of the right you think of the of fame right that's what comes to mind but after you see this the word min is a a digger way of describing somebody that wants to and you're allowed to eat and if you're going to go ahead and not eat because of THAT IT'S OKAY TO EAT and you know just follow the script there's an English and this is a chuva from the rotenber it's in lev So the wrote in writes as follows you heard you heard about me wrote the book that I have that after I eat after I eat cheese I don't eat meaning not never but he waits uh considerable amount of time but I'm when it comes to says let me explain to you the rumor that you heard when I was younger I used to know people that took on And I used to laugh cuz when I used to see those people, I thought they were until one time I ate cheese and then by the next meal I found a little bit of cheese in between my teeth and I made a because I had such that I'm going to be the form. And I thought about it afterwards. I realized that even though at first glance I thought this was minus cuz you're going connected the but really not and this is not really says one said that I'm compared to my father like vinegar is compared to wine which is not much of a comparison when it comes to the my father when he would eat he wait a full day until he ate And I only what do you see from here? is the you have to say he said you see from the of that even TO GO MORE THAN SIX hours and to be more if you're holding by it that's a very no if you could be to go 24 hours not going to eat meat until tomorrow cuz I had a coffee today or cuz he had gina today. So why can't I be Makm and then when it comes to [laughter] if I'm going to or in the reverse to go ahead and be so it's for that reason I came around but what was his says because I used to look at it someone that's I used to look at as being Minos brings It's the last says the even though a person is allowed to be so if somebody makes a and he wants to make this is something that you're allowed to do and there's no in this you're allowed to do it and if there's someone who walks around thinking it's says, "But the bottom line is the he talks about someone who's allowed to do it." In fact, now it's fascinating that he uses again. Now really if you looked at this Rama in a vacuum I'll tell you where my mind went I would think of the raid that we spoke about how the minim right if you remember the with that chapping about there was a minus that very much related to so the person that doesn't want to be it's what the means but at the end of the day I have who brings from of the name of the that if somebody is on and someone's on it's of somebody's not says in the end of there's an element of minus and said that I used to think that somebody that was like a person like that is is mish I came around something and this is not something that's as bad as I thought it was and says in regarding so again you have it in the of you have it in the of you have it in the of and you have it in the we are there's an element that it's not so to be because if somebody's going to be in a situation like this there's an element of meanness so what's What's the I think for sure we could all that raid from et but say it's and if you're going to go ahead and you're going to be you're being there's an element of meanness that means you don't trust kazal 100% kazal said cliche is not oh the ter is why because you did an experiment and you saw clichi is kazal said it's now what the clichi mash It's it's it's a legitimate question. But at the same time, Kazal said that cliche is uh is and it's for that reason this is something that we need to be mab 100% and if a person is not mab 100% on some level he's undermining kazal margles in that piece he says there's another element to this and really that element is a classic it's in two places in the first in the second this is famous we mentioned the last this says this falls very So he once went to was in when he was there he met the southerner who was from the southern part of he saw was and this is what he said and his etc. So says that when he joined me said he goes running into and he goes to first and he tells you heard they were they were heard that he ate shakim said perfect. He took a little bit of shakim dipped the sourdough into it and he ate it like but Rav when he heard the same exact thing he didn't want to eat. He said is awesome. I'm so went to he told I want you to eat the law because if you're not going to eat I'm going to say about you that you're not being [laughter] told one second one you're going a little too fast. He said you know I used to be init. So rais I knew about this Indian I know this to you you're very impressed I know listen to me I'm not from his for what he says I'm not told what you think is saying this on his own so I would agree with you if this I'm not saying you have to jump but [laughter] he said over there says the end kept on badgering Raph until finally Rav who was much older than but Rav ended up somehow conceding and he ended up eating from the but you see from this year another and that is that if an adam god an Adam god somebody that people look up to if he is going to go ahead and he is going to go negative He's being and he's not doing it in a he's not doing it in the context of but at the same time seeing a gay irregular guy but a regular person you know is you have to be a mad to be you need to meet a lot of qualifications if you remember but the bottom line is someone on of the ilk of rah who's on this level if he's going to go ahead he's going to be m So this is a well-known what's not so well known says I have one more this is the last one I have one more and this is a this is fascin if you want to look it up it's towards the end it's dash so he's writing to someone who doesn't want to do chuva over something very bad that he did regarding an right sounds like he's going to be making an where people don't want him to make an but if you're holding with the flow of the D it's actually be just the opposite I already wrote to you about the I already said that it's the world that if you have a foolish 101 and it's going to be okay and you said for that it's going to be awesome and you told me by this IS INCREDIBLE I TOLD you the Russ is talking I warned you I warned you. I said you better make an I was told this is so important because right all the pro famous where it's based on the fact you're being right remember the says I should eat by someone who lives in aut that doesn't have an because if there's no ultimately you're going to be two weeks after you see this and if you're not going to listen to I'm going to put you in I want you to know if you were around in the times of the give you best cuz you going connect SAYS WORKS AND YOU CAN'T BE MORE THAN there's a postcript to this. It's test dash bas he's writing this to not to be confused with this is the rush talking he says the letter that I wrote to that person who I want you to know that if he's not going to be I'm warning him that's call the entire Right. So this this what the rush is writing. Otherwise, every and every is going to come up with and he's going to be and I want you to know if he's still not going to the rush gave him a lot of chances. It's pretty clear. So, the rush again, you have to go back to the world of history. This is outside my lane to appreciate the the protector that the had amongst the kings. And he said, I'm going to make sure that he's going to have to pay some sort of fine. say that the rush said he should pay $1,000 or whatever the number is. And if that's not going to help, I want you to repeat every I want you to keep me informed. Keep me posted. And there's a to put him in all the and we should even try to find a way to kill him. Now the rest of the story is right they bring here on the bottom this we spoke about one of these rushes once with a but [laughter] the bottom line is the rush was not so opposed to capital punishment. This is a whole sheet of rush that's way beyond the scope of this. I love you because this was obviously printed after his but here's another example where the was so upset about somebody that was being he was going connected this by foolish and he was invoking the quote but he means the it's he means that just like told this obviously was he was someone that had the ear of the people and he said if you're going to be and you're going to go blatantly connect this is the bottom line is we have a fascinating idea usually when you think of you think of it's a but you see it's not so posit you have to be this with at the same time realizing and appreciating that sometimes if a person is well This already is an element of minos AND IF A PERSON'S ABOUT THERE COULD be a dimension over here which is of not just but was given not just any was given and it's one of the four times that it says in the it's one of the four times that had it be done by because it undermines the it underines undermines the because if someone's going to go ahead and he's going to go ahead and go. So just think about what it is that it's doing. And that's this of not being allowed to go and be it's not something that's okay. But here's the usually when you think of the you think of it in terms of or you think in TERMS OF YOU'RE GOING TO be but you see it goes the other way as well. You now let it be and just think about it. We had the with regards to clichi. You want to be I want to say I want to be I don't want to eat that falls into a who would want to eat a chalk like that but I want to be my something that something I'm not okay. I'm not going to eat if I raise that maybe there's a little bit of an element of but I used to believe in my heart of hearts. I used to think that if somebody is in it's of the says that if somebody is has a little bit of in the is also a of didn't want to eat was something that was awesome. He heard a rumor that Ra felt didn't have so much credibility. We didn't see it was SAYS I'M JUST NOT GOING TO EAT IT. I have to eat if I buy KOSHER OIL. YOU BETTER eat it because otherwise it's going to be a and this became and he doesn't want to make an hard stuff, right? with this everyone knows to be is terrible thing and if it's connect there's no other way to describe a one word description this is his whole uh [snorts] Russia but the truth is it goes in the reverse as well and for a person to go ahead and be is not so the question is how do you really reconcile this it's it's a little bit hard I mean this is how we're walking away from this rabbite But is that true? So it's never okay to be on something that's what right? Shouldn't that fall in a little bit to the equation? It's a good question and this question and a mahalak will be the topic of tomorrow's raid.