Chulin 44

Today's daf is and we are about 30 lines from the bottom of its being learned as so we're at the very very beginning of the third perfus which of course is a continuation of everything that we've been learning. this entire maka and that is the laws of school albeit with a very very focused focus on uh if kotan within the world of shita and that is the world of traus now today's daf is going to be a little bit more anatomy and physiology of an animal with a dogush on the veset the esoph us of the animal. More specifically, what's known as the Turbbits have towards the latter part of the DAFF, we're going to go from the veset to its compadre, which of course is the garggeras, also known as the K, also known as the trachea. So, the Mishna said that a neckv the size of a macho in the veset would render the animal into a traa. The Gumar now is going to bring a mic between Rav and Schmool with regards to one specific part of the vash. What the Gumar refers to as the and the is going to be whether a neashu on the is like the itself with it would render it into a or whether the is different. So that just like when it comes to most in the g of a neashu would not make it a ta. Usually you would need that should be severed in order to even be having this conversation. Could be the in contrast to the vash itself is treated more like one of these other the bottom line is to a neck of the size of a mash. Would that make it a tra or would that not make it a tra? So of course the first thing that we need to do is define what exactly is the tobbit. So driving out a lane here but very high level the esophagus is what attaches the throat of the animal to the stomach the digestive tract of the animal. So the two simon the two tubes that makuin very much focuses on are the trachea and the esophagus. The trachea attaches the throat to the lungs and the esophagus attaches the throat to the digestive tract to the stomachs. In the vernacular, the esophagus, the ved is to the animal on the top part of the animal through the through the jaw. That's the throat area and on the bottom it's to the digestive tract through the keris which is the name of a stomach. We know an animal has four stomachs. So this is the kerasapimi. So it's attached to the lei on the one hand and it's attached to the kerasapimi on the other hand. The turbitz is the part of the vashet that's at the very very top close to the lei. In English it's known as the fairings but it's the top part of the vashet. You can almost look at it as even not the veset per se, but rather some muscular something that attaches the vashet to the lei. But to keep it simple, just think of it as the top part of the vashet. It's where the vashet meets the lei. It's where the esophagus attaches the throat, meaning it's on the upper part. Now we'll see the gar is going to get into a more nuanced uh breakdown of the tobit the vash itself but I think as far as an introduction to keep it as simple as possible just think it as that top area just in terms of where does the word even come from that's not a word that you see every day so rashi says the word tobit is which is a field which is aer so we know that kazal very often used everyday language to describe scientific and more complex ideas. So just like a house has auter and then you come to the front step and you knock on the door and you wait. Available, not available, right? That's usually how this plays itself out. So in the front of the you have this area known as the that's where this uh obscure word comes from. Either way as it relates to this area that's known as said that if there's a neck of the size of a it's going to make it a says no the is not treated like the vashid itself and as a result a neck of the size of a mashu would not make it into a unless of it was severed [snorts] the thickness of it was punctured then the is it would not be considered a tra so the explains Rav says that the ne the size of a mashu would be considered a nekto because held that the is like the as it relates to so one of the two of an animal is the that's the rav held that the is a part of the where you can do the so we know that not every part of the is not every part of the is in fact one of the five known as that discussed in detail on deals with what part of the is going to be okay. So Rav holds that the is considered. So if it's has a as it relates to so it's going to have a as it relates to the as well of the size of a mash in the proper makes it into a it's going to be the same thing. He says no it's going to be because it's not because he holds it's not the and if somebody would the it would not be considered a oh if it's not considered a with regards to it's also not considered the with regards to making it into a says the so what part of the is the actual soar in the name So if you go to the very very top of the and you cut it, what's going to happen is the opening is going to expand a little bit. So this was an idea that we had all the way back on that right there's this idea that sometimes will cause something not to contract which you would maybe think intuitively what it would do but the hole all of a sudden becomes wider. [snorts] So you and it spreads open. So the top part of the when you cut it, it's and said that that is the area known as the if however you would cut the vash underneath that area. A place where when you cut it, it doesn't expand. It's that would already be considered the So if you get towards the top of the there's an area where you cut it, the sides are going to stay in place. Then there's an area where you cut it where the sides are actually going to expand. That is the cut off line as relates to where the veh ends and where the tus begins. Rapi told I heard from differently who is what did say rather that area which is not the tippy top but it's close to it where if you cut it it's not going to expand it's going to stay in place that's still part of the what's the area that's It's the area that when you cut it, it's going to not expand, not stay in place, but rather it's going to contract. So it seems that when you get towards the top of the vet, just ting the gum. So there's these three location locations. As you get towards the top, the veset, if you cut it, it's going to contract, which by the way, that's like the whole vession underneath it as well. You go a little bit higher than that, it's going to stay in place. When you go a little bit higher than that, it's going to actually expand. And it's those top two areas that there was this debate amongst do we view that as the or not? Meaning for sure the top part where it expands as a and that's what held is the beneath that is actually not that even beneath that the area where it stays in place is that's also the you want to know what the proper is. It's called stating that the brings a third cheetah. So believe it or not, there's a little bit of a sha here. It's actually almost hard to believe if this ya is referring to the reb or rather it's referring to a yon as in a dove. This is a sh the is referring to the brings that says that the y over here is actually as it relates to the of and even though it's not the y as opposed to the right but a y is a name of a kosher bird it's one of the two kosher birds that will later be put on the and that's what ya means over here but we'll go with the shot and that y is saying over the name incidentally I saw a margus in his on the right there's not a lot in Then on this he has a and he says that if you know throughout you find saying overturn in the name in the name of course so for sure a lot of credibility to the and that is and then of course he has a maramakim from somewhere else I think it's a shalomi that would support the idea that we would use the ya to describe describe just the bird. So he says both if you're a seni you would know have some sort of marty this is classic but either way what did say to he said mlat you want to know where the tobash is it's the real top of the vash it's all the way mish in the throat so even if you're in the area where if you cut it it's going to expand that's going to be considered the tbaset it would have to be really towards the okay how close to the top so thear explains said it's less from the throat than the length of a grain of however it's a little bit more than the length of the grain of wheat. bottom line. So we have a rabul regarding the then we have a between and in the name of what exactly the even is but as it relates to that's the segue to the next part of the raheld in the is like a ne it's that it becomes a trad a neashu in the would have to The gar explained what is the beer in the beer in the musel that the is so if the is well that means that it's so if it's then that said would render a traer so well it's going to be a tram holds it's not the Makita. It's not the Makamita. So it's not the per se in the world of hence also not in the world of tus and therefore in that instance it's actually going to have to be it's interesting just one point that rashi makes a very big deal about throughout the and that is if you remember when the talked about said there was a huge discussion what is the upper limit of the in the so what's hag defines we're on the we're in the you're allowed to do the which really would mean that if you were going to open up the and see the that talks about you would need four I would have to know the upper limit of the lower limit of the I would have to know the upper limit of the vash and the lower limit of the vash in the Mishna that talked about these laws it only mentioned one of the four it mentioned the upper limit of the ka it said nothing about the lower limit of the ka and it didn't even talk about the vash. Now in the mas of the as it relates to the upper limit of the con was a huge sha how uh far up the kova the shipya right a whole bunch of different terms again mashim that kazal used to describe what the upper limit of the ka is but didn't mention a word about the lower limit of the ka it didn't mention a word about the vasha if you think about it this is raenmul is really the answer to another one of those quadrants And that is what is the upper limit of the of the if holds that the is a so that means you can go as high up as you want the for sure is that upper area is where it starts but if you're going to tell me the whole and it's because it's that means you're all the way to the top that means there is no on the top part of the as relates to where says of course it's the what is of we have three days what of is but this is which is really is so in the world of it's not just I mean that's as you're going to get but if you think about it this is a definition of 1/4th of one of the five and we'll see it's going to play itself out a little bit more in the course of the do but either way the is going to tell a story and this is a real doesn't involve a purit it doesn't involve What it involves is it belonged to the sons of he started the in the infamous and he concluded it in the and then he went to and he said I don't know is this a kosher animal is not a kosher animal I think I might have botched up I started uh shacking it in the tobash So said I'm going to tell you I'm going to impose the andra of I'm going to render it a and explain I'm going to be like rav holds that the size of a makes it into a now you're going to tell me said according to it's so it's not a tra right just to be clear a neashu is a tra but that's only if it didn't If the is what made the well that's what you're supposed to do. So then it's going to be okay. So Rav said that in the makes it a tra but that's a terrible mistake because to the extent that Rav holds that it's also the well if it's the obviously then everything is going to be okay said I'm going to be like I'm who holds that the is not a so if it's not a you can't look at it as a but if you hold like I'm holds that is not going to be an issue in the I'm going to go like either way said I'm going and therefore I'm going to pask that this animal is not going to be okay that makes it into a and that it's not a what's the point let's just analyze a little bit better because going to make a huge deal about the story really in Rob's world this was kosher and Schmoo's world this was kasha. The [snorts] reason in Rab's world this was kasher is because according to Rab this was just a regular you started in the right place and you ended in the right place in world this was also a kasherita the reason is because although you didn't start in the right place but at the same time that neckv that you made was only it wasn't it wasn't enough to make it into a tra now truth is sends us we're not going to go into this because if you remember in that even if you get but if you start in the wrong place that could be is going to be an issue and it happens to be ask it's beyond the scope of what we need for but just from a practical perspective really should be and it should be because it's the should because although the fact that it's not a but at the same time what did Ra do had his cake and he ate it too said I'm gonna I'm gonna be like and I'm gonna say that it makes it a but I'm going to be like it's not so is for sure going to be and as a result it's going to be a problem. So theor says this story made its rounds literally that's what means and he made it heard about the story. So we're familiar with Nazaba. That's something every knows this is. So all of a sudden makes its way to not alive but the story. So told them it's going to like we mentioned going to it's not he said go tell the son of also known as to us by the way. Rashi says right how would you explain to somebody if somebody says can you please describe I think the best way to describe it is you know that's best way of describing him which yeah yeah but either way so go tell the son of that he has to pay the value of the why because he made a rope sack and being that he made a rope sack was Okay. So therefore he has to come out of pocket. talk to the son of Ravino said I'm going to ask and I'm going to ask it to the of now really he was asking the kasha to or on but he didn't want to say he's asking the he said he's asking the kasha on the now what's the big deal aska right every time ra says something a has an opinion that's not like that I'm going to ask aasha But I'm not asking it to I'm asking it on the rabbi says it's because we're going to see the kasha is going to be a little disrespectful and for that reason he didn't even want to say that I'm channeling the kasha directly to euphemistically he said I'm asking to so what's the kasha it's from a price and this price is a bunch of places if you take a look at the is always like standing there if somebody wants to go like he could if you want to go like oh you could so interesting Right is always like stating that if you don't want to follow the I won't tell if you don't tell. So Mar is going to ask that obvious but first we finish the Bry what if somebody says I like being so I'm going to pass like all the coolers of and all the coolers of so says rush that person's a Russian if somebody goes and he says I'm going to take on regarding him that the says the fool he walks in darkness meaning to always be a m you're a fool right to always be a m you're a rush to always be a m you're a fool So again, a Russian may be worse than a fool, but a fool is a close second. Either way, says [snorts] the that you can go like you can go like despite [laughter] the fact that is like but if you can always be you're a fool and if you can always be you're a Russian. So what should you do? So before the cash let's just finish the Basha says you tell me like then you tell me that if you want to go like you can go if like then you have to go like say like two number one we know given land in other places that they argued for two and a half years they said they said until the bas came so before the bas came out you were able to pick and choose. You want to be a Shay, be a Sh. You want to be a be aot. And that was when we said go like so. It's an interesting price postcal that's referring to saying or you could say that you don't have to chop this bryo with a karifa from a chronological perspective but rather you could say that the entire bry is meaning even the latter part of the that says if you want to pick it could be and the steer in the bry So we'll be reconciled by saying it's two different thes that says that that's going throughout the says bottom line literally that means bottom line in English at the end of the day it's said I'm going to ask and the from that repeats itself several times in and that [laughter] is that even in the world where it was okay to go like you're able to pick and choose but to go always that was not okay to always go and to always go now Rashi says that if you take a look at the in which is one of the places that this is mentioned in Jasur there clarifies that when the bry says that If you're going to always go, you're going to be considered excel. It doesn't mean that I can't be like and then be like when it comes to some other area, right? There's that you're allowed to do. I'm not mash to say every single thing I do is sham or every single thing I do is but within one to the extent there's a manifestation of there if I pick the that's when this price is playing itself out where it's one when he said I'm going to impose the was what the fool of a price with it because he went ahead and he took one and that is do we look at it as we not look at it as and in that same one Shiloh he went like that we're going to look at it as hence is going to render it a but in that same exact sh instead it's not going to be a that's what the fool is doing in that so I don't even want to ask this is the rashi I don't want to ask you cuz I I feel like I'm being and is the genius of is always like of course I'm never going to do that but at the same time I don't I don't know what am I supposed to do so euphemistically I'm going to bomb away and that is to take one that has and to go to say that is a but it's not a how could you do something like that. I'll just explain this a drop better because I will segue into the answer and that is the is because really these two in the whether makes it into a and whether or not it's a a is really one and the same. It's the same exact if you look at the turbet as the vash then makes it into a tra and it would be a mita. If you don't look at it as the well then it would have to be and then it wouldn't be the two. Now how do you know the two shadows said it? So these two things so to have your cake and eat it too in such which is exactly why is so disturbed and that's why he doesn't even want to ask [laughter] but himself I don't even want to ask that either way. Okay. So we have a bombasha right so said of the you have to say that we had a misunderstanding of what plaque was and when he wasn't taking because that fooled us but rather what he was doing was is he was pasing 100% like grav he was pasining like grav through and through. What does that mean? Because when Ramy Baras came from B said made it out don't listen to all the clin that my brother Yehuda send the name of Ra. So Ramayascal is uh the famous Rav Yehuda's brother, right? Who's brother Yehuda? Raud and later becomes a movie of and as it relates to this exact said don't listen to what my brother Yehuda said because let me tell you what really said that the has a share and says the means and of where you're allowed to do the well if that's the case if said there's a in terms When it comes to the meaning going back to the that quadrant the upper limit of the there is a what's the area then not it must be it's the and he said which means that the of is not related to the fact that it's a and if it's not related to the fact that it's So really these two shas are not and rub his plaque is 100%. No we thought that the ra that would make it into a tra because he held it. You know why we thought it because the gar said it but said that what the said is a he said because you want to know who's saying over that tradition it's my brother Yehuda. Don't listen to my brother Yehuda because he gets it wrong sometimes. Don't listen to my brother's brotherly love. Don't listen to what my brother said. But rather I want to tell you what I heard from and my from is a much better messiah said or the has a and if the has a it means and it must be the is the means to is not a okay so then what did mean when rav said that a neashu in the would make it into a he must have meant that even though it's NOT THE IT'S WITH regards to not he's sailing whether it has a not like what that it's so that the two things should be said they should be the bottom line is if even according to the is not so it's why said what he said because as soon as you go ahead and you cut the of at that point in the world of rav you're making it into a traa it's not Hence, it's not a negative. It's became a tra a second before you started the you were so close yet you're so far and it's for that reason it's not going to be okay. Means the his in this was not based on but rather it was 100% based on the of Rav because even Rav only said his with regards to Traus. He never said his with regards to. Just to circle back for a minute and that is that so what emerges is when we saw the between we got very excited because we said that really this is has ramifications in the first peris that's true in the world of but he held that there is no concept of when it comes to the and in fact that is with regards to that they both of what [laughter] is for that. see the beginning of the after this. But this is very much an this is very much not one other just interesting factoid that actually speaks out that's worth mentioning. There's a few of them scattered in today's d and that is what say don't listen to what my brother Yehuda said. What did brother Yehuda say that when said it's because he also if you go back to the beginning of the said didn't say anything get involved says that you see from here that anytime the Gmorra said something over in the name of Rav a beer in RA and we don't know who said it it's always so ravud and it's for that reason Ramy Baresco comes and says don't listen to my brother my brother didn't say anything yes he did because that beer in Rav is coming from and that's where gets involved either way. So we now know that said there's a what part of the what not is going to want to know what that says how high up are you allowed to go I mean what is that said it's up until now it's interesting because we had the as being a three-way right but it seems like even In Rav's what the Gar is saying is it's not necessarily the whole that's going to be out of play but the is more specifically it's Rashi says an interesting definition he says it's either three spice or four spice right so is it three or four that's says either three or four is there and if yes how far lowman said it's until it starts getting hairy now assumes that means that if you follow the ves all the way down to the bottom into the digestive tract into what's called the kerosimi. So as soon as you get to the carousi it's going to start getting hairy. So that's where the ves means the caris that's the car obviously if you sh the caris it's not going to be okay. So what is the sha? It sounds like there is no sham. It's all the way down to the bottom cash on this ram. Ravina said in the name of the infamous Geneifa who said in the name of Ravetes that the last of the where the means the that's what's known as the now the has a unique place in the Mishna says but the the point is where it's neg to know what the kerosene is it's that last now that area is not here so what's The kasha the kasha is if you all the way until it gets here then it means you on that last as well. So you'll tell me okay that last is where it gets here. That's when you know you're in the car already. But uh it's himself said this can't so these two don't right edit it. When we say it's the teac, it's not the teac above the kis. It's not the last teac of the vash. It's the first of the kis. So that part of the caris which you know by the you know by the ear that's what's known as the as opposed to the rest of the car again saying oh you can answer a little bit differently when said that it's so he was talking about which has a lot of here what's the point because the has a lot of here the here extends up until the vasha so the last of the vasha is considered carous and consider I said that there's a what's the sounds like you can go all the way down to the car the terret is no ra said that regarding a the mitas of the is different the mits is that last has here and because that last has here so therefore essentially when ra says you can go he's actually telling you you can't check on that bottom the bottom can't check on the bottom of the if that's the case that bottom doesn't have here incorrect does have here and that's why another related that was completely dislodged from the so we mentioned that the on the top attaches itself to the to the jawbone so what if the which is the top part of the it dislodges is from the what's in the name of said it's going to be and he continued he said the said that if you remove the entire it's going to be now if you're going to remove the obviously the is going to be dislodged from the because if there's no then there's no for the to be attached to so that's a that doesn't bother me that the was from the is going to be okay so says if the was completely dislodged from the it's still going to be he said because the says if it's not there it can't be attached to it but says how could you say that how could you tell me that if you dislodge the from the it's going to be okay we know one of the five that is right. You have to make sure that the are not necar you have to sever it but you can't detach it. What does detach it mean? It means the are attached to something and if you detach it it's a problem is attached to what? It's attached to the so how could the name of is going to be it's just explained the it's not just a it would even be it would be in the town of because you can't do a once it was already trips you up in the so it's very nice so if it's says Right? I'll tell you why. Because this is a little bit tricky. When the Mishna says that it could be, let's go backwards. It's talking about it's talking about where the jawbone was removed, but the buser that the lei is attached to was still there. So somebody literally did a surgery where he removed the lei the actual bone but the bosa that's to the outside of the bone that is attached to the that remained there. So you remove the you remove the of the bone the shama of that a was taken away but it's still attached to it because the buser where it's all where it's all mixed up with the gen and all that uh stuff that's all there and because that's still there so it's going to be okay. But the problem is when said that was where you literally removed it which means it's not ATTACHED AT ALL. SO SAYS IN THE you see that I don't need the I don't need the bone there that's going to be okay but maybe that's when you surgically remove it leaving the attached to the where in the words of you were but it could be if you were and that's what is talking about he's talking about right that's a continuation of he did it on top of attach but according to a pup is >> [laughter] >> Because puppet you could always be because at the end of the day if understanding means that you can remove it and that's his that is going to be why is that not so says you have to say you're right you have to do a little bit of an edit and you have to say that you have to say that he meant ah if that's the case what about the baton right he had to ride from the Mishna you just say he had to ride from the Mishna and you're going to tell me he learned the Mishna the way Raapa learned the Mishna that the bus still so why is he bringing so far speak out you have to say that the way the understand now the whole vatan tuna never really happened right this was injecting this vatona thinking that meant kai but now the papa allowed us to understand this a little bit better so it's clear that he didn't mean he meant Ruby and if that's the case there's no way the Mishna is even going to be a riot because the Mishna is going to be talking about where it was either way says the that's going to be the ter but the still has a rab name of again it's the same that if you have a was already detached it's hanging on literally for dear life pun intended so is it's going to be considered a a so there should be a problem that there's two types of situations where it was detached. Rashi says that if it was detached in a way where it was detached neatly so you took off neatly like surgically you removed it. So then the little bit of that's still there could be and that's what meant when he said not but is going to be because the little bit that's there is is in a good place when said that it's going to be a he was talking about Rashi says where he tore it out It's not going to regenerate in that situation and it's really not going to be okay. Either way, what was the of this last part of the so another related to again the topic of the overwhelming majority of the daf was the a neck of or does it have to be? It is a it's not a what is the three definitions of what exactly it it might be right is whether there's no but this last related to the was what said in the name of and that is that if you remove it 100% it's going to be but after further review what emerged is that if you remove it 100% it's not going to be that's eor so not only is it going to be a trait it's even going to be a veil it's going the time of number one. Number two, you have to say it's talking about where it was only. But even where it was the only time it's going to be if it was it was removed surgically. So at least the me that it's holding on to is it's strong. If however with it was torn apart where it's that is not considered a proper and in that situation it's going one of the things that came out of this discussion was how do you learn the when the Mishna says what's the when the introduced brought it with a tuna which always means from the from that it means that the is completely gone which means that the is completely dislodged on the also by the way it's completely dislodged and that was that was the to the initial understanding of and even if it was still it's still going to be but proved that that can't be so what emerg as it relates to is that the only time is going to be is if it's would have to be where the bone was removed but the baser and the g and everything that's on the outside of the lei would still be intact and attached that's enough to say that it's not going to be you don't need the lei to maintain the status of it not being considered what you need is the bus and everything outside of the and as long as you have that that in and of itself is going to be okay either way this concludes the and really the part of today's daf We now turn our attention to the counterpart and that is the garggeras also known as the ka also known as the trachea. So the mission said is also considered a traa and how much would it have to be nifs? It would have to be this idea is that we had how many times already can't count that if you would have an animal that was already and all you did was is did a tiny bit of a to put it over the top that would already be considered a because you have a vehet the only time it's good it has to be in pristine condition because a neck of even the size of a of a mashu would already render it into a problem. But the the garggeras very very very different either way now is going to bring a discussion of how much garggeres needs to be. I mean we just gave it away. We gave it away the entire maka. We know it's arrived but the kdesh over here is going to be how you define the marana. We went to the bryeruba. It's the rubos. So for that we don't have a bryce already. But for that we have the next best thing. we have said it's of the thickness and some said that what said was so what exactly said but it's either of or it'sal now what is of and what is kalala so it's very simple the definition of sukasaras means that the thickness right so just think of the gargeras as the straw so you're chopping the straw in Right? You're just cutting through the thickness. Not that thick. You're cutting through the thickness of the straw. Once you get to the midway point and you go a little bit above that, that's when it's considered sukasaras. The sh is do you take the thickness of the garggeras into account or do you not take the thickness of the garggeras into account? The reason this because the garggeras is much thicker on one side than it is on the other side. Which means that if you start cutting from the thicker side, [snorts] you're going to get to the midway point much quicker. If you're going to take the thickness of the garggeras into account, if you don't take the thickness of it into account, but you just look at the hollow part, the inside part of the straw, well then the kalala is always going to be the kalala. Doesn't matter if you're coming from this side, doesn't matter if you're coming from that side. So again let's assume that uh the [snorts] garggeras with the the hollow part of it is eight diameter 8 cm and round right that's what the circumference is and if you take the thickness into account so it's now going to be 10 cm but here's the point of the extra 2 cm 90% of it is going to be on one side so if the of the midway point is you have to get to the ro of the eight you have to get to 4.1 so that's going to be one calculation If however it's 5.1 then it's going to be another calculation and the 5.1 is going to be much closer to the side that you're cutting from than the 4.1 because that the extra two is very much weighted more on one side that it's weighted on the other side. So the bottom line is that's the the top rash on the but regardless this was the shar whether it was or whether it was says there was that came to rap right did not walk into rap but somebody brought to rap and rap sat down like a r and he started being bic he wanted to see is it rife or is it not rife right and He started being which is one of the says they were two they saidal didn't you teach us that it'sal it's not supposed to be so when heard that he didn't want to pass he said you know something he didn't want to pass so what did he do first he was bought the club but then that you know maybe it's not maybe it'sal just one point is aal because usually the starting from the thicker part which means that if you you're going to get to before you're going to get to of so started off going and then they told him why you going so much and when he heard that he says you know something I don't know I'm not being I'm also not going to be so what did Rav do wow so like who did who does the go to you know with so who did send his shil to send to say he was he was he said this animal is now he bought meat for the he went ahead 13 coins coins of meat he went ahead and bought. This is the now from here until where our daff is going to end. We're going to learn about 20 lines of now is going to ask three stories on this story. So you ever heard of aasha? We're going to ask three kashes and each one's a bomb cash. Each one's like a whole says number one. How was able to opine no less on this if said something. So Rav over here started off and he was WHICH MEANS HOW could that's a little different because Rav sent him to Shil right but it doesn't matter if one way is a right to start told no he says no problem came out to do Shani the raw rav never really he started he was being bck but you have a pkin he didn't put up villain and say do not eat from this uh animal he just started being bck but he was for that reason this didn't violate that principle this uh obviously had a shila right what was the shila the shila was was it was it not absukaras and Even the was this very nuanced. How do you define is of but it needed a sh right himself didn't even know how to pass. Of course, this is something that required. Well, if that's the case, how did the great from this folks say, "Now, if this plastic sounds familiar, it better because we had this a week ago." And the says like this. when he said my nephew is not during the day which would have led to what did he mean by that he didn't mean that he didn't eat because that's obvious what he meant I never ate from a right see the previous par this was the mis because from the fact is being himself that he didn't eat from then it's going to beeps our piggle. What he mean from that? He didn't mean that he ate any piggle of fame. What he meant was that he never ate from any piece of meat that required I never ate from but he never ate from he didn't give in the cave. But what's the bottom line? You see from he said that you know I never ate from an animal that required well did that and he's telling you he did that. you know he's telling it to you he's giving you advice that if you're a great man you should follow this uh advice exactly the way I'm presenting it well was a great man the great Rabbakana so mafurish so if that's the case how could go ahead and eat from this animal you see it required right himself wasn't sure and if it required a so is VIOLATING OF how was he able to do that so the says the Only time you have to be in these things is based on what was his messiah means of which is and that's why he was able to to pass in I'm sorry which is and that's why he was able to pask in the way that he pasin but the bottom line is is that being that rabbana was not pasining me he was pasining based this doesn't apply. If someone asks the knows there's no reason to be well is where it's why because then you start getting a little paranoid and you start wondering maybe the is not such a good so should be from it but if it's a heard from so what's the there's nothing to be worried about it's a third prop the tape that it's okay and the next thing you know ra has dinner for a month it's not so simple why you not worried What's the time to right? This pretty much covers every option. So whether it's the dying regardless of what he pass or it's an that said regardless of what he said. So the is if you want to now go and buy the thing let's say that you said is that's you're allowed to do it stating that the rabbi said don't do anything that's like this or that even rhymes like this. Don't do anything that's synonymous with this. Stay far away from things like this. You know why? Because there's an there's an in of what's the gets this piece of meat that comes his way. This is like a piece of meat. [snorts] He looks at it and he says, "OH, AND BY THE WAY, UH, you know, I'd like some. It doesn't look good. It looks a little bit." Now, of course, no one's being right in the previous is the great it doesn't make sense. So, if that's the case, how do that? So, the says not you want to know when that was said. That's that's when you're gonna buy something based on an assessment. We're a little bit concerned that maybe maybe there was like a here almost because it looks a little bit like what happened was right let's just use this as an example said it's kash wink wink and then when he bought it he got a good deal whenever this mock him declare that that's what happened that's when you got concerned but if you're paying fear market value for it anyways then what's the concern meaning even that infamous guy that we spoke about the other day who's always being at everybody. He's minding everybody else's business. He's mish he's that guy right who we uh you know takes up a lot of space in but that guy even him there has to be some rationale there has to be some methodology to [snorts] what his uh madness is. So the point is if you could assume that Rabbi Raana or whoever that rabbi is would have gotten a good deal said that's what the is looks a little you know what I'll say your animal is kosher you give it to me 50% off done but to the extent you're paying fair market value it's not going to be an issue so says bought meat meat was sold by its weight you know what the weight is there's a fixed price right there's a commodity uh market and you know exactly what it's supposed to go for and as a result the mascul was mak that he didn't get a good Therefore, you don't have to be worried about in fact says there's already a precedent to this. What's the president or some have the gear he was once and then he went ahead and he bought told him that makes more sense it would be because was ra's wife if it's so is telling her husband's ready I hear but the bottom line is right my father right don't try this at home so basis turns to her husband he says come on my father didn't do this right. This is like you you hear this in your first said my father when it was he would never buy the from that he was m so why are you doing this so knew what the answer is said no is different because the even the meat of was sold on say reason was sold on because actually not let us sell in the regular way right even they used to sell it in a more way so they wouldn't and weigh it. They would to measure it. It was sold based on schuma. So pizza was sold based on schum. So over there when there's a schum and there's AASH that then maybe you m and this is some sort of because you're going to get a good deal in return. But I'm buying regular meat in the mas the weight of it is you have nothing to worry about. And continued he said I know what you might be thinking. Maybe maybe you're thinking that still I'm going to get a good deal. How am I going to get a good deal? They're going to give me a better piece of meat. Right? So sometimes even if you're willing to pay, you need protects you. So no, I'm I'm willing to pay. I'll pay the same thing the other guys willing to pay. Yeah, but I saved the nice pieces for the VIPs for the sh for the people. But said that's not an issue. I don't need to issue a to get a good piece. I'm walk into a store, they always give me the best. So there's [snorts] no over here. Being that there's no have to worry about. The bottom line is this is a ma that's a that supports this idea and that is that even though it's true that's on something is not allowed to go ahead and now benefit from his because of it looks a little bit like it was but that's only true if there's but to the extent that you're dealing with something fixed you're dealing with something that you don't have to worry about in that instance it's not going to be okay so what's the of the last part of the daf the part of it is that how much is that's a price. It's what's the definition of had his mess? It's either of which would be a ka because usually the checks from the thicker part or right you're going to get there sooner oral which would be the ka it's just to in the inside part of the proverbial straw. It's what the inside is and the gumar told the story. The story was that there was a basis that walked right into Rav's sat down. He started being and they told him why being you told us knew that he could be and once heard that he abstained he didn't want to pass. So he sent it to and went and he was now went ahead and he bought from it and they went had three caches on this story. So again we brought the story for the of your portion obviously but the then had three on the story three very fundamental shilas that are all rooted in basic of the first sh was isn't there a den that once one is another so if thought of how could go now the isra said that's not fair and the reason is because raasin rab was never really Mahm. was being by the but he was never because he was never. So it's for that reason that wasn't going to be an issue. The second was bought from it. Had he bite from it. This is said he never ate from something that required. So why would he have done it? So the clarifies that's only if based on this was not based on and the third was is how is Rab able to buy from something that he himself right? The first sh was had he pin sh was had he eat from this and the third one was he bought from something he himself pasin it's a different niggan for all three shs he himself bought from something that he himself pasin isn't there he shouldn't do that because of it looks a little bit like there's some business going on over here and the says that that's not a kasha and the reason that's not a kasha is because that's only true to the extent that what you're buying is totally in shuma but if it has a fixed values and then everybody sees that's not going to be an issue and then the Gmorra said that we have a to support this the happen with and either or either way that concludes today's first part the majority of it dealing with the and then the latter part dealing with the gargaras so as it relates to ra just to end with one this is something that we've spoken about so many times over the years but I just think it's kadai it's short and related to today's so the in the bottom of it went onto the top of brought a that has its in the second parac is and the first parac in three place I'm reading from the bry says the is always likel stating that you shouldn't go because if you do that you're because if you do that you're going to be and the ask the obvious question the starts and then you tell me if then if you want to go like you shouldn't be allowed to go like which one is it is Or is it no root? One terretz was when the braces says talking about after the bas that the talks about in different places was that is like but before the basal when there was no so if you wanted to go like bish you can go like if you want to go like you're able to go like bas so the bra even though it looks like it's one uh long uh narrative really is talking about two different times of history the first part of the bryer is actually the later part of And then the next part of the bry goes back in time and that's talking about is saying it could be the entire said is talking about the two parts of the ba are two different shittas. The first part of the bice is going according to the shittas that hold the basal the second part of the b is going according to the shittita that holds a mashkas. Whose shittita is that? That is the sheet of the right here on this makes a the begins break the what does it mean is like what's this emphasis that is always like a lot of that we have in you don't say the is always like is always like and rebi that is always like when it comes to when it comes to why does the preface and the says it's the reason we said the word over here is is because the we like for a reason that's different than why we're usually throughout when we say is It's because better in learning than when we say that is like it's because of the of right he comes with his reasons HE COMES RIGHT HE COMES armed and dangerous he knows how to win every battle and it's for that reason is always like when we say that is like when it comes to and when it comes to is because says and and was in the world of of it's based on THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BETTER IN LEARNING in those areas or maybe even in all areas and that's what governs that's what underpins that it's for that reason says the it's not that the is always going to be like and that even that is always going to be like and like and like it's going to be that way unless you're told otherwise. But to say that it's going to be that way because the only reason we can like grab by is like is because it's well what if you have where it's well then you're going to go what the regular rule and regulation is and that's the way you're going to when it came to the what did the bas say you remember the basal said stating that that really couldn't be said and the is going to be that is going to be like but here's the punch line the reason says we pass like is not because in fact the says in the first that was it was actually just the opposite but it's because the head of this why IN FACT THE EVEN SAYS WHY like said they were big. They used to say my first and their own the second but it had nothing to do with their nothing to do with their it was not related to the fact that they're better in learning. If that's the case there's a so there's no way in the world that you could ever go against that club. What are you going to tell me? I'm learning and I'm a diet and I think bishame is mate. Who cares? The reason we pass was never because we thought basil was mate. It was always based on the fact that there was a basal. If it's based on the fact that it's a basal, there's no way to ever get out of it. And if there's no way to ever get out of it, so based on that, it's going to be and that's it says when it comes to all other and you don't have this preface of it's you know why it's because of the fact it's or the reverse of that, right? It's because we don't really have a reason to pass like so if you tell me that is like it's always going to be that way. It's with regards to the others where the reason we're PASSING IS BECAUSE THEY'RE BETTER. WELL, what if now all of a sudden the book is saying better then it could be that would be in reverse. And that's why when it comes to there's no wiggle room ain't a it's not a it's because it's not based on we don't right there's so many areas in we don't even with the other it's because the was we had this two and I think this is better than that but there's a certain of how much credence and credibility I have to give the inferior but over here the of this inferior is not oh I I hear the go this far better. It was rejected based on the based based on the bas that is the of understanding says the difference between and any other and in one word this is encapsulated in this not but Emma says I think there's another shot in this word And this is based on a peric that we've spoken about many times over the years. It's perk. It's called Mishkidas. So one of the madregas of rap which is the foundation of the safer isidus is very much towards the top depending on what gears you have in the bry do there's many different can be the highest madrega the second to highest third to highest very very very very close to the top. What is aid? So is someone that goes in fact in says that is to say what the is so the we know is he doesn't just not eat a he doesn't eat at all because he doesn't want to even ever come to to eating never eat the is that exact same person but he's not operating in the world of he's operating in the world of the pish is in the world He has such of that he makes such that he's a the is operating in the world of he has such a that he wants to make sure that he's going to do so much and he'll fulfill the even in NUANCES THAT THE NEVER TOLD HIM HE WANTS HIM to do because he understands that that if told him to do this he probably wants me to even do more but the is the mitzvah counterpart of the talks a lot about and then he has a whole per that's called and says that this idea of is the hardest part of being a so what is and what's so hard about it says is that has to realize that sometimes to be aid and to be is not necessarily the right thing because you might be taking upon yourself uh one area but at that same second unbeknownst to you cuz you didn't make the mishkll properly you didn't compute this thoroughly enough you're actually being mal you're being in another area and if you do that and he says that's why the has to be every such a profound idea every single step he makes to make sure that it's 100% skeleton and he say that's a very hard thing to DO AND IN FACT IT'S THE MOST DIFFICULT part of imagine this This is so you're already holding where you nailed you conquer you climb 19 mountains and you're up to literally and on that mountain you encounter this obstacle. How do I know to make sure that my is really justified and warranted and that I'm not through my actually being and being mal and something else. You know, we've explained it in the past and you know, maybe this is em when it comes to mitzvah, you're not supposed to make, right? But you don't make so you you wake up in the morning, there's no you have to make you just open you follow the rules exactly the way you're told to follow it. By definition is not something you have to do. It's something that's that means I'm already using my own. If I'm using my own I I da don't have a blueprint to follow. It wasn't drawn up by an architect. So now I'm making it up as I go along. Oh, you're making it up. You better make sure you get it right. Right. You don't have to make up putting fillin on in the morning because the T tells you to put it. Maybe I shouldn't put on fill in today. No says you put on fill today. It's very straightforward. You know exactly what you're supposed to do. You don't know what you're supposed to do. But either way, this is which says is the most challenging part of being a goes and he gives examples of different throughout the generations that this of the most famous example that he gives is what caused. So we know the story of Kam Bamsa and uh Bamza went and he uh sent this animal that had a mum something that's considered a mum for us but not considered a mum for the Romans for and that we're going to be out making said people are going to say that you be they said okay let's kill people are going to say and they ended up not doing anything they didn't bring the carbon they didn't kill and as they say the rest is history heard that he that what was the says that that tripped up in because in his world he thought the right thing to do was not to bring the carbon and not to kill but really the right thing to do was TO SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE AND THAT WAS WHERE HE MADE THE GREAT WENT ahead and he made a and then he goes ahead he gives another example and that is I'll bring you another ayah a from the He was like the background is a first exactly how you supposed to it says means you have to be lying down means you're supposed to be standing up says no means means a time that people get So the Mishna says was once m to be like and he came and what happened was he was lying down somewhere on a bench and all of a sudden a list came and they almost killed him and he somehow he made it out alive and he runs to and he tells you know what happened I almost got killed and they told him you know what you would have deserved to die says that what did when he lie down to He was a big So WHY DID HE DESERVE TO die for being so why [clears throat] can't you be the it was a very challenging chapter in Jewish history because of the great that raged between them and at the [clears throat] very end of this very very difficult It was going to always be like oh may I love HIM THAT THIS PL HAS TO BE IN PLACE FOREVER AND ever and it can never be weakened revert back to being too again like it almost became in the times of a volcan but that's It would have been better in the world of for the great to be. You know why? Because as much as was being he was being in the world of the and when someone of his ilk is m like you know what that does it reinvigorates and it risks THE WHOLE JEWISH NATION IT PUTS THE whole in that in the world of says that if you see and you see We're able to make mistakes in the world of how hard it is to navigate this fine line and to make sure you're getting it right. Everybody thought of typhin as being a how important it was for somebody of his nature not to go of his stature and publicly show any credibility to the world of shaman. But the show if you when he brings out the of this is going to be like he says and at the very end where do you get that word from? He got it from the in which is mentioned in Zion and if that's the case says the key of is that this should remain with he getting this from where did the GET THIS FROM THAT IT HAS TO BE he got it from the word I think it's posh that here in ising up is he's bothered with the and he's saying a different he's saying you want to know what means means forever always has to be like is not always going to be like but then we're risking going back in time we're risking having a in other words we have a every what's We have two means every single is saying that means forever and ever. I think in the vernacular is saying IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. YOU COULD PICK UP ANY one of the in between one spoke out for my goals there 360. So every single one of these is going to be like and the is saying it has to be this way forever. That's not that's two different is it's both true. This is something that is like in because it's a whole different is a different you cannot compare the rules and regulations that govern with the rules and the regulations that govern every other every other is not at risk. Every other is based on who's this is a whole different world. the entire union was at stake at the time of this and this was not based on based on and that's why there's no mocking for anything else I just want to end with one it's an obvious everyone's going to ask this and that is so we're going through this thoroughly right let's go I'll uh recent He spoke at the first said every single time it has to be. Is that true? It's not true. Brings this three times and said that always has to be liked. Everybody knows that this say that is going to be not like is going to be like. So we have a little bit of a on the little bit of on the we will stop Yeah.