Chulin 42

Today's d is d me and we are at the beginning of the third per of peros on the top of dbees. So the third per of per elutraus is a very large msaka. It's large per it's actually the size of a small maka and as its name implies it deals primarily with the of tra. So what exactly is a traa? There's one in the Tyra that addresses this. The Pix tucked away. It's in parish. So after you have of you have the says literally if you find one of your animals in the field, it was clawed. It was torn apart by a larger animal. is you're not allowed to eat it. Rather, what are you supposed to do with it? You're supposed to throw it to the dogs. Now, this is describing an animal that's alive. If the animal's dead and it died because some larger animal tore it apart would be an aa and the says elsewhere that an aa is something that's 101. So clearly what we're talking about is an animal that's alive. It was torn quote unquote. It's a tra but at the same time the animal's still alive says the that being that it's in a state of traer right now that in of itself says that if you do a later the does not have the ability to permit the meat of this animal to be eaten. So what's unique about a traal said what's unique about a traa is that the animal right now being that it's in this state has a defect that is going to cause it at some point to die and from here we have a that says that even though the said the in one very precise particular instance but that anytime an animal has a defect a mortal defect something that's going to cause the animal to die. The is that it's deemed a and if somebody eats from it in the of and we seen I went on to list as we'll see in today's d already 18 examples of tra 18 defects 18 wounds 18 medical issues that this animal has as a result of which we deem this animal to be a tra if somebody eats from it he's going to be over the isert The Rambam says that even though there's a says but are to like or like the and that is the 18 are 18 of you have you have but so it's true they're but really there are many many subcategories there many to these in fact the realm of the math for us. And the Ram said, I counted all the that are listed in parakeet with and the grand total is 70s. If you count up all the and then the rabb lists literally from 1 through 70, this is the end of he gives you all 70. In other words, although the said that the of relates to something very specific, says the that one mentioned the rather you have or 70 different had different lists and different numbers. The bottom line is it's stating that thera mentioned one specific in the other ones are known from it suggests that there must be something more with the one that's mentioned in the it plays itself out with regards to the of you that you have a sophic and a so when it comes to a suffic of the literal is mentioned in the Tyra you would have to be no one way as it relates to a suffic with regards to the other traers you'd have to be you'd be able to be a different way more about that as in the coming detent that underpins the entire per and that is or so if you ask a man on the street what's the definition of a tra whether it's a or if it's a tra with a human being so he's going to say someone's dealing with a medical condition a very precise medical condition as a result of which The doctors or the veterinarians said that this person or this animal cannot live. That's the conventional definition of a tra and the truth is that is the but it's only one in the garra and we'll see it right away in the beginning of the paric brings another mandar that says so the mand that says that means as a result of this defect person or animal cannot lift you what about the says so again you ask the man on the street he's going to say I don't know maybe the person could be and the animal can live till it's 120 years old but the truth is it's a very very big mistake Even the man that says that agrees that this defect that the animal has right now is going to cause the animal to die. If the defect is not going to cause the animal to die, the animal or the person cannot be deemed a tra is whether or not the is going to die within or not going to die within. The mand that says means the mand that says says more than there's a later two years three years. But the point is is that at some point this animal's going to die. If the doctors say that as far as we're concerned the prognosis is wonderful and and it's just a little bit of an issue. Take these meds and and the animal can live forever. Then it wouldn't be a tra. So a tra everybody agrees is a mortal defect. The question is it's going to die imminently within or is the point of that it's going to die imminently. It's but for sure at some point it's going to have to die. Another thing worth mentioning is that ordinarily you'd think that the reason a is because you're not allowed to eat an animal that's about to die but it's a mistake. I'm just going to where the talks about a behemis and a misen even though was and even though it's brought down throughout the generations used to be when it came to to bear is which means that if you have an animal that's on its deathbed it's it's a it's about to die and you the animal as long as it's at the time of the what exactly that means but if it shows some sign of vitality throughout the would be enough for it to be a which means there's nothing wrong with eating from an animal that's about to die. The issue is not that it's about to die. That's not the punchline. The punch line is that it has a mortal defect. That's the point. That there's something very specific and a specific illness, a puncture in one of its vital organs as we're going to see that's causing it to die. The fact that it's is the prob that it's the kind of wound that deems the animal a but the emphasis is not the fact that it's about to die even if you hold the emphasis is the fact that it has a particular wound once it has this wound it's called a tra and the says just to begin the peric with and that is so what are you supposed to do with the tra so you throw it in the garbage terra says no it says in Rashi says this isn't just a suggestion. It isn't just a recommendation that you know you're not sure what to do. So, we'll give you a few practical options like this. You know how to deal with your traers. No, the Tyra very specifically wants you to go and to give it to the to give it to the KV. And the reason is this is when left. So the dogs were they showed respect to the at the very least they were said now's the time to reward the dogs for what they did for this that you're not sure what to do with in fact it's such a direct I saw the bothered how come the money didn't count it as a mitzvah right none of the one of the 613 mitzvah are take the traa and give it to the kel I don't know why it says in the like to me it sounds like a mitzvah like any other mitzvah in the it's not just a suggestion I ain't rashy. So if this is what you're supposed to do with it, so why didn't the money count as a mitzvah? Either way says the P says that if you know you should be bothered why the said with a as opposed to with a what does mean says Dean as you know what it means back in the day when people had a herd of animals the shepherd always had a dog and the dog's job was to protect the animals against attackers to make sure that a wolf or a lion or some dangerous animal wasn't going to come and tear these animals apart. So the Tyra says that if you go now to your field and you find one of your animals was torn apart, you have a tra don't just find any random dog and give it to it. The mitzvah is not kev which would suggest any dog but l you should give it to the dog with the hey so to speak the dog who was responsible for watching this herd. This is the dog that you're supposed to give it to. Groomman of Toro links #Lwood fellowships once showed me a beautiful dascalis. It's right here on this pekk. He says something unbelievable. Says you know when it comes to most people have the idea of what have you done for me lately? Right? of somebody did you ava, you'll be marked. But this same person could have been really nice, done tremendous amount of for 20 years, but if he crossed you the wrong way in the last 5 minutes, you know, you're going to have a whole different perspective on it says says that this is a very important lesson when it comes to you know why? Because let's [laughter] think about it. This dog is the reason that your animal was just torn apart. You had an animal. You were waiting to shed. It's worth a lot of money. You come to the field. We bas now you're not allowed to eat it. What happened? Someone didn't do his job. Who is that? [laughter] It's the dog. Says the you know what you're supposed to do with the animal like to the dog. Yeah. You know why? Says the to be mid. And even though your inclination might be the opposite. I'm going to be mid now. This dog that's the reason that I just had this unbelievable financial loss. I'm gonna go ahead and give my trade to this dog. The answer is yes. Because even though right now maybe he didn't have a good day, but he has been your loyal, trusted dog for so long. And as a result, be maky for what he did for you, not what have you done for me lately. And as a result, I'm going to punish the dog. To the contrary, now's the time to show the dog that you appreciate what the dog did for you despite the fact that right now he caused you tremendous financial loss. Either way, on that note, a classic classic parable. The following are a list of tra of defects that would render an animal. Now, it's very clear the Mishna is talking about tra and we're going to have a very long list of tra there's another that discusses either way specifically. Number one, if the esophagus, the has a neck if it has a hole, it has a puncture that renders it a ta very important rash. First rash the perk of a mashu anytime you find the word neck if peric is it means a tiny little puncture. Even if it's a mashu, that would be enough to render a tragaras or if the ka the trachea was severed. And this is something we know already from learning the first two that how a vet becomes a traa versus how the k becomes a traa is very different. The veset any little puncture makes it a traa. When it comes to the gargger is still kosher, right? half of the kana was severed by a thorn or by anything it's still going to be kosher. It's only if the majority of the ka majority of the witrash he says was severed that it becomes a traa. But when it comes to the it's even a nek in the veh makes it a tra when it comes to the ggeras which is the it has to bear a ne in and of itself will not make it a tra but it has to be auka means the majority of it was separate if the the membrane that surrounds the brain of the behe was punctured again even if it's au that would be enough for it to be a traal or if the heart was punctured and the puncture went into the chamber of the hearted. If the neckbone of the animal was cracked and the spinal cord was torn, she says that is not really important. What matters is we're focusing on the spinal cord. We're not focusing on the neckbone. She says ordinarily if the spinal cord is torn, it would mean that the neckbone was broken. But it's not that renders the animal afa. It's that renders it a if the liver of the animal was removed and there's nothing remaining of. We'll see more about that in tomorrow's stuff. the lungs that were punctured or part of the lungs are missing says it's not enough for the puncture to just touch the lungs but rather we're going to see later in the gmor that this bronchai that's attached to the lungs we don't have to know what that means for now and according to if the the neck goes into the simp it's a problem but if it's merely touching the lungs then it's not a problem nikva have So an animal and this is important has four stomachs. The kis the basis the hems and the ka. So if the ca which is the fourth stomach if you're counting. So the ka if it has a nev that would make it into a traik. If the gallbladder has a nev that would make it a traikad if the intestines have a nev that would make it into a tramis. What about the caris? It's one of the other four stomachs. So if it's the we'll see what that means in the Gmorra that was and that has a negative of a or if it's not the but rather it's the over there won't make it a tra but it has to be the majority of it has to be torn says that if it's the then the sheer is not but rather it depends on the size of the animal if it's a bigger animal is going to be right. Those are the other two of the four stomachs. So we had the now we have the and the lump together as one. If there's a a whole on the outer wall, it's going to be a tra if it's on the inner wall. The inner wall is where the hems and the basis are attached. So if that wall has an active, it doesn't make it a tra. It's only if it's the outer wall that has the puncture that it's a tra. Nothing. If an animal falls off a roof, tal is it's a trait. Rashi says that there's a whole theor is going to discuss it in the coming den of how you treat an animal that falls off the roof. You have to wait. You have to wait 24 hours. You have to make sure that this animal lives to tell the story. If it survives, then it's going to be okay. If it was if you did it immediately, that's when it's going to be a problem. If the majority of the ribs of the animal broke, it's a tra that's if it was clawed by a it's too going to be audac into a tra, but it can't make a a larger animal into a tra. What kind of animal would have to claw the animal when the animals of the in order to make it a it's have to be something like a lion. A small bird can make an into a if it's an if it's a bigger bird then it would have to be clawed by a bigger bird. This is the rule as it relates to and this is really the punch line. The definition of says the is any animal that has a defect as a result of which the animal will not be able to live. The Gmorra is going to say that the town of the Mishna holds which means that the last line of the Mishna in light of the introduction is any any animal that has a defect as a result of which it can't live it would make it into a to the concept of a I know where it says in the however The time of this clearly holds a that was the last line of the wanted to know where is there a that the says doesn't say anything about a mortal defect a defect where the animal just needs to rehab for a couple of weeks and then is going to be fine. It's not clear in the of what exactly we're talking about. And we have this very very important with two very strongminded positions on the two sides. So said where is this even coming from? I read the Pik doesn't have any glory as to so wanted to know the holds which is the town of our so where does he see that? So the says we had this in the in the previous the when it talks about animals that are kosher that you're allowed to eat. It says as in an animal but also an animal that can live. So we have this general pik that seems to say that an animal does that doesn't have the ability to live you're not allowed to eat says presumably the mandar that holds held that this is a reference to a now the fact that you're not eat but it's a little unclear what that means so says the man that holds used that as a revelation as a glo in how to understand the you can see there's an idea of an animal that could live your life to Egypt presumably it's explaining the if that's the case see from there is not able to live what that could live again what does it mean he could live not he's going to live forever but he could live beyond the and we learn from here emphasis on however there's another type of an animal that can live that you're not allowed to eat. What's this other animal that could live that you're not allowed to eat? Again, it's very sus. So the man that says, "Oh, it's probably referring to." And if that's the case, you see from here that could live because this animal that could live, you're allowed to eat. Other animals that can live, you're not allowed to eat. Referring to trade, how do you know? Because we have this puk that we don't really know what it means. So presumably this is coming from and if that's the case we're describing a tra is an animal that can live thus you have the source to the mand that says that can't that a tra is so both the holds in the mama that holds learn it from the same it says that says only the isay The that says that he says this animal that can live but there's another animal that's that can live with you're not allowed. He says what does it do with the word? Now the literal meaning of that we went through this a few days ago but the literal meaning of that is not talking about right it's talking about kosher animals these animals are kosher these animals are not kosher says the doesn't use to teach me that a is going to use the word in the the more literal context of the and it's coming to teach me that when taught which animals are kosher which animals were not kosher Literally, hem brought animals in front of that's what the is always referring to, right? You were pointing to show that when the the looks like this, this is when you're supposed to be. So here says pointed to the animals but it's in the context of the literal meaning of the not in the context of the laws of so that holds that how could he learn it from the word doesn't he too use the word to teach me that was says you're right that holds we already learned from the word ze this animal that can live you're allowed to eat there are other animals that can live that you cannot eat referring to the tra you see a tra but if is coming to teach me something completely different how does he know that a so says he learns it from a different also by the way from this is a very important So this is a different. So you see in the Torah that that there's a concept of which means an animal that can live that you're not allowed to eat. And why did say what is it referring to? This is referring to the 18 that was said to [snorts] me. The point is however that not the emphasis on the 18 that will be the topic of the rest of the d. But for right now before we exhale for a second. So you see from here is that how are we referring to how are we referring to the to the as oh referring to it as a you see clearly that [snorts] aer is the bottom line is is that the really the first per deals with this very fundamental sha which will come up again and that is or the holds holds that it's true there is a defect that's going to cause the animal to die, but it's not imminent. It's it can live more than that holds that holds that no is that it's not going to be able to live. The question is what's the whether a is or a you'll tell me what do you mean? Maybe the is very simple. The would be what happens if something changes? What happens if one of the tra or one of the 70 t we find out at some later date maybe because of medical intervention it allows this animal to live mean what would be if you had one of the and 3,000 years later medical technology has advanced tremendously for human beings for animals as well there's certain interventions there certain things that we can now do to a wounded animal or to an animal that's suffering from a medical condition and as a result of that the animal's going to be able to live. So the animal has a neck in its rhea in its lungs we could do a surgery we can perform some sort of procedure that's going to allow the animal to live. So should the animal still be considered a tra or should the animal not be considered a tra? So the truth is the Ram addresses this in the end of peric of says the Rama very important Ram and it's important because as we're going to see there's a lot of very interesting Shilas kosher versus kosher it it goes very much into the whole idea of there's a huge component to the situation so either way the says as follows the that I just listed 18 then I listed 70 and now let it be on the if any animal doesn't matter to that would have a a quote unquote but it's not one of the affformentioned it's not one of the 70 is we have to assume that it could be this animal is going to live so we could assume that maybe it's going to live and as a result it's not a then says We don't have we don't go based on what we see right now. Meaning what would be if a new neckv or some something that the were we know today that if an animal gets sick it's dead. So we even though the didn't list it. You would think in that it should be considered one of the says the no that's the flip side of the coin. the Even if the changes and we find now that the is that doesn't change anything meaning we still view it as a says the we know and if that's the case how does that impact the laws says the rama it doesn't. So anything that the listed as a traera is a traer. Anything that they didn't list as a tra is not a tra and it goes both ways. There's two sides to this coin. Number one if the didn't list something as a trafa and we know today that something is a tra doesn't matter. It's not going to be counted as a tra. The flip side, if the did list something as a tra and because of advanced medical technology, the traa is no longer a tra doesn't matter, says the ram, it's still going to be viewed as a tra. So the truth is that if you have an animal that has a nek and it can live more than that's neither here nor there. You can't say we now that we know that an animal can live more than with a neo or whatever it is. So that's a that's a it's not a true. That's not true because at the end of the day what's going to govern hilers are are the Mishnas and the Bryes and the Gmoras that we're about to learn. Whatever the that's a traver is not a tra there's a there's a baltigra you're not allowed to play and manipulate the traers as a result of the fact that things have changed. What's the difference then if a tra or if a is very important is what would be if you have a suffic that's the if you have an animal you have a suffic right now whether it's a tra you're not sure is it a neka or is it not a neahas right kosher versus glock kosher that's literally exhibit A but you have shas is is this a tra or is it not a traim is a very good you know what you could do being that we let Let it sit around for and let's see what happens at the end of 12 months. If it can live 12 months that it wasn't a tra if it cannot live 12 months then we know that that it was a tra. So you can't use the test for because is a that's a said that if something is a it's automatically going to be user the fact that it can live more than would mean more than anything else and we don't care about we care about what was in the times of as the says like the rama brings but we're as if he had a sufficer If you hold tra so you have a suffic tra you let it live more than yesh so it doesn't mean anything because it could be it's a tra more than yesh a tra anyway how long would you have to wait I don't know but certainly not yudesh if you hold tra so then there's a way to determine you'd sit around foresh and again this plays itself out in a lot of the controversial traas because some of the trailas that people make a big fuss over really is suffic a lot of these animals live more than you based and being that we that if an animal can tough it out that could be a based on what the say to explain the either way. So we just had an important price said the says what's it referring to and there's two important things in this number one holds the means the animal can live. So clearly holds that a trap. Additionally, he gave us a list. He counted 18. Now, the truth is our Mishna, if you were keeping score, also listed 18. The Mishna didn't mention 18, but it listed 18. That's important, says the Are there only 18? Bascar, you have Bascar. Basar is an acre for four tra. The B, the Sam, the GMO, and the R stand for a specific type of defect. as we'll see. [laughter] That's the other Shev Schmita. And there's the Chevite, the seven Amarok teachings that dealt with laws of tra. In other words, it's not 18, it's 29, right? There's another four, the Basar, and then there's another seven. There's the smite. So, the says like this who listed 18, but he never mentioned the number 18. So you could say the ton the 18 that he listed. He listed the and the 11 that he omitted the ask what was the last one of the cloud we know was always coming to me or something. So you know it's coming to me another 11. Okay it's interesting we mentioned 18 and then we have another 11 but at the end [laughter] of the day it's not aasha. You can't ask me a I'll tell you ton of or it's included in the ton of he mentioned a number. So once you have a number you can't say and he didn't say what happened to the so what are the what's the an animal whose leg was amputated above the joint so there's a discussion doesn't mean the lower joint of the animal you can refer to one of the pictures or the upper joint of of the animal but the point for now is that it lost its leg minar kua and is so why did only have 18, right? We're assuming that the 18 that has is the 18 that we mentioned in our so if that's the case our didn't mention the so how come he doesn't have that holds that an animal that has this defect you can cauterize the area where the leg was amputated and the animal is going to be able to lift what's the kasha Who cares that it kills the man? Who we going to try to explain the price? We said introduced two very important tenants in the laws of number one. Number two, the number 18. So, who cares that, you know, there's a way to do some sort of procedure that's going to allow the animal to live at the end of the day. According to if you Yeah, then this is checkmate. This is a a not a but according to that's not a it's not a factor for it not to be a says you're right. What we meant to say is that holds like a different who said point blank it's not a tra bottom line is is that the reason didn't list the bay of basar is simply practically push it because he holds it's not a tra how could he hold that he who holds that it's not a traed is that a person a dead person is but you don't need the entire entire corpse in the oil in order for the mace to give off to. But if you have certain bones, so one of the the bones that have an ability is the shedra. However, the shedra has to be complete. If the shedra is missing some of its vertebrae, then the shedra does not have the ability to transmit to. So there's a Mishna that addresses how much does it have to be missing for it to lose a status as for it to be able to transmit to two vertebra and this is what we need that the same you see from that a spinal cord that's missing some of its vertebrae is not so if that's the case with regards to its ability to be it would make sense with regards to as well that means an animal that's missing ing some vertebrae would be considered a tra how much but the bottom line is is you have another tra how come didn't mention that if the shedra is missing some of its vertebrae that too is considered a a says and answer and our Mishna that's the starting point that's the 18 we assume that the 18 of is the 18 of our Mishna so says [snorts] the gimmar no it's a false assumption our Mishna had as two isosis with two of the four stomachs of the animal and the Mishna mentioned that if there's a nek in the hems and if there's a neo that each one is being considered a and it was considered two of the eight doesn't have it as two as a result he has one left over so he's able to include the so the bay of bas ton of disagreed with the other is not a tra incorporated as 18. I wears it if the 18 is the Mishna. No, because the Mishna has one as two where has it as one says the you have the basar that's an animal that's missing all its skin. It was flake. So this animal that doesn't have its skin it's also considered tra again he doesn't hold the gimbal is a tra who holds that a glue is not a tra it's not a tra says the gor have another one I have that's the r of basar so is a shriveled lung now rashi says that really the garra says later that a shriveled lung is not a tra but that's where it shriveled one way we're talking about where it shriveled another way so we'll have to wait for that but the bottom line is is what about the R of what about this this so the Gor says yeah really incorporated it ah he's going to have to take out one of the 18 in the Mishna one of the things that mentioned the Mishna was if there's a hole in the gallbladder of the animal a lot more about the gallbladder in tomorrow but if there's a hole in the gallbladder of the animal that would make it a tram held that that's really a dio he doesn't hold likeudic He takes out and he adds. So again was 18 four more. You have Basar at the end of the day what the said was two out of the four holds is not a is not a tra at all. He holds that is not a [snorts] he is also not a as it relates to the other two. He incorporated the other two. How did he incorporate the other two? He took one out. He took out Mara and two of the 18 that we had as two of the 18 he really has as one of the 18 theis. Those are two of the four stomachs. Thus he has an extra one that he was able to say the what about the other seven? Right? We had two kes on top of we had the bas and then we have the we have the other seven. What about the what were the schmitz? So is going to go through all seven. If the thigh bone gets dislocated, it's the the ball of the thigh pops out of the hip. So the is of fame in the name of one of the kidneys of the animal became sick and diseased. So it became sick. Something wrong with it. It's like there's an illness of some sort, some kidney disease. It's a trait. We learned that if the spleen of the animal was removed stating that we need the next spot that's only if it was completely removed if there's the third if the majority of the as in the were they were moved out of place it becomes a that's four fifth one if one of the ribs came out of place. It's considered tra says that even though the bishop we spoke about ribs, we said if most of the ribs broke. There's a difference between the ribs breaking and the ribs being necar being removed. If the if the ribs fall out of place, one rib can render a tra. If they break, you need the majority of the ribs. The majority of the skull at the animal was crushed. the last one if the flesh the the flesh that's covering the if the majority of it was torn that would make it into a bottom line is you have the schmita these seven they all come from but why did not list those other seven says the gmorra short answer if you count in the Mishna the yudas that's the starting point the amount of tra that are related to a nekv. There's a nekv in the vesa. There's a nekv in the rao. There's a nek in the there's a nev here. Nev there. If you count up all the ne you end up with eight. So in our mishna it's eight, right? Says hem only had it as one. If that's the case, how many of our the number is really 11? Because what Artana had as eight, he only has as one. So he took out those seven nev that Mishna had and he removed them and entered the Chevita. So we removed the seven, we replaced them with the end of the day, you end up with your number of 18. But the says two number one have there were two that were mentioned in the Mishna as so if that's the case why are the two nips mentioned as two they should be mentioned as one as well number one if the was severed that was one and the other one was the spinal cord was so took all the even though they're eight and he counted them as one and when it comes to the they're two he counted them as two cuz if he counted them as one then your vit are going to be less then you're going to end up with 17 one of the chevita was a neck the spleen that has a hole in it that was the third of the seven was also a nekv now if you're not counting the neckv so that would wouldn't be one either so it wouldn't be chevita it would be schmita Right? In Aramaic, it would be so again, you wouldn't have a full seven. So, if you're going to go ahead and you're going to take all the nekavs and you're going to make them into one, then really what you should end up with is 16 because number one, if you're counting the nekavs as one, you should count the nips as one as well. And number two, if you're counting the nectav as one, one of the chevitzers can't be counted. So, we thought we were going to take out seven and replace it with seven. You took out seven and you replaced it with six. So what you end up with is 16. So has what's the terret? Two of the basar had two cautious had answer the bas. So two of them we said are really included and the other two we say doesn't know with regards to the base with regards to the gimmel. So we assume that the only way to make this yud work is by excluding and having those two on the outside looking it in. You know what if we end up stuck and we need to add to let's bring those two back. We'll put them into our list. We have the base. We have the gimmel. We have the whole basar. As a result you end up with the same number. You end up with 18. Just one last said there's really eight different types of that was said to and he gave you a a higher level list in terms of how this works. [snorts] There are those traers that are related to necks. We saw it's a long list of necks. Some are based on something that was severed. Sometimes an add could be a tra something was removed or something is missing. Cru something is torn. Jerus was clawed. That's the that's the textbook example or something fell something broke. Why did say this? Because he didn't mention if an animal has a disease, it's suffering from an illness of some sort that that would ever make it a one where an animal can be a despite the fact that it's not. How is how is that? It's if it's a lusa and he didn't mention lusa obviously not there eight different types of if you do the math says the test no it's not true if you count it really you're going to have nine. So the says one of the nine is only the time to that's the fourth stomach. There's a hole in the intestines. The point is it's only from is going to segue into which is going to discuss the an animal that has a a hole a neck of mashu in its gallbladder. whether or not it renders it a