Chulin 4

Today's daff is and we got three lines from the bottom of today's daf's being learned. So we're moving along in the very beginning of school. We're learning the very first Mishna of Msulen which discusses the laws of specifically who can sh and who cannot the Mishna began and of the first two was Hak is always who exactly is Hak coming to be Marba. Additionally, whoever is coming to be, this seems to be a contradiction in whether that person is able to or only sounds like sounds like [snorts] and what emerged from the was six different approaches from the to explain in the Mishna. Rabbi Barula said is coming to be marba and both said that it's coming to be marbashi said that it's coming to be and ra depending on which version said it's coming to be marba either a that's or a that's Azdaf is going to do a little bit of a deep dive into two of the affformentioned halas into two things that sort of emerged from the first two daff of the maka. Number one that there's an idea that ai is able to albeit according to number two there's an idea that is able to albeit according to raashi oh and by the way we saw it's also the opinion of so today's in terms of the amount of ground that we're going to cover is going to be short will make up with for it with Raid and tomorrow. But for now, the first part of the DAFF is going to be a a brief discussion of the concept of a being able to second part of the DAFF is going to be a brief discussion of the concept of being able to. So again, let's just set the stage for the first part of the D. And when the Mishna says, what the Mishna is essentially saying is that a lad we mentioned yesterday that there really two in the fact that a would be able to number one it presupposes that a we know one of the greatest debates of all time was whether the kim were not gay or were they gay. to the extent that ai is not a yet in the notion of him being able to would be dead on arrival because he's an and as we're going to see it's that someone that's a non-Jew is for sure not allowed to so the fact that means that at the very least is a additionally it presupposes that the were careful with the laws of which is a huge kesh Because is something that's very much rooted in it's rooted in and as much as the may were not but one thing is for sure the way they conducted themselves was not like they were the idea of they accepted the but as far as the very unique oral tradition and the we have that was something that they rejected and being that the laws Certainly the five are by the very definition things that we know orally things that are not in the you would think that the would be sensitive to it but at the same time it was from the Mishna that that's the way it is as a matter of fact the [snorts] way explained the part of the says is that even if you didn't see the but if he eats from the baser then you're allowed to eat because for sure the ki would only eat if the was a proper I if that's the case why don't we assume that even if you didn't see him that for sure he did a good because doesn't it say in the evil the different understanding of what exactly means but the bottom line is to understand that number one you have to accept that that for sure number two to understand as long as they eat from the you have to accept the fact [laughter] that for themselves either way the now is going to bring but this discussion of being able to which retrofitted back into the Mishna is really a mafurish aa and it's from that bryer that we're going to talk a little bit about the koutin so we keep on saying that the suga of the koutin is in the of kin featured prominently in yesterday's d. They're going to feature prominently in today's daf. But believe it or not, the real sug that's one of the most important gar as it relates to the koutin, but we have some time until we get to that says the gimar three lines from the bottom of mutes. The of a is okay or of a I should say is okay. When is that true? That's a that was watching. But let's say did not watch the but he walked into his house and he saw that he literally had just he's holding the knife. There's blood that's dripping from it. There's a a dead animal in front of him. But he didn't see him do the so he can cut his eyes and he could give it to the to if he eats it because the himself is so if he eats it that means everything must be okay and if he doesn't eat it in that instance it's not going to be okay. Sounds familiar. This is the way learned the first line of the Mishna. If it's a murish of what's the ra that's a silly question the was saying the of this of the wasabi and the way you reconcile was by telling me it's talking about did I see him do it that's when it's did I not see him do it if I to eat then it's going to be true the are applying to the is that although the Mishna doesn't say that it's talking about I want you to know that is really what the Mishna is referring to now the continues and says I'll tell you a similar in the event that somebody found that a had rashing What is exactly is says that word sounds familiar that's of per strings where you have these these birds these chickens that have been and they're all near each other says means a sal it's a basket bottom line is there's a ki who has a whole bunch of these that was says says the Bryer that if this wants to know whether he can eat from it or not. follow the instructions that we mentioned in the first part of the he can chop off the head of one and give it to the if the eats it then you would be allowed to eat it as well because he's if he's eating eating it must be it's okay for you and if doesn't eat it in that instance it's not going to be okay so again what you see from the ratio of the that's what we're going to focus on first say for the Bryce we'll focus on second but as it relates to the ratio of So really we have the of now if you remember there was a in terms of exactly in a nuance way had it bearish and really it's a when it comes to the laws of according to the only time it's the literally what would be if he was only had a from mission that you see when it comes to the laws of is the equivalent thereof to being so even where it's being is only where he wasn't even so now is going to say that and respectively both developed their position which ultimately led to two different of the six shot him and had to understand the from a dick took in this Bryce again we have a that's of but we know there's a so says believe it or not both extrapolated from a house what did says, "Oh, what does it sound like? You have to have let's say the stroll is not of all the years. It wouldn't be okay." What did the say that in the event then what does it sound like? It sounds like only because he wasn't even he only came after the fact. had been it would have been okay says the meaning is so what does that mean that means has to explain the safe and has to explain the ratio so first the sounds like it sounds like he wasn't even being he just showed up after the fact that when it's considered the but had he been that would be the equivalent of is going to tell you Oh, what does it mean? It means he walked in. Yeah, he walked in. He was being the whole time and one of the times that he was he found him in that fashion. There's no way in the world that's a ri that is the equivalent of as a matter of fact I think it stems very nicely that part of the with my understanding that is really not the same as says according to why does the even if isn't that okay he's going to tell you we know in is always like see the end of right that creates the mer. So it's true it says but at the same time in isab again it's a little fetchy but the bottom line is the bottom line is ra was media from the can very easily bey could also easily be data and really what we're end what we end up with is what we end up with in so many sugay just like you always did saw it one way and like he always did saw it another way. But the bottom line is of which was backed into the first line of the Mishna as we see is that's the first to the previous two that we have right in the beginning of today's additionally we're both got their respectively in terms of how we treat which was the in yesterday's day was from the and was from the safer of this price. Now we're moving along to the real safe of the So the and the are talking about are the and the of the now we have the real what was real a similar so what's the just like if you see that but you weren't watching him is there's option and the same is true if he has like says and you want to know if you could eat It's going to be okay. That's still says to I don't understand the case of the why is it that if the has the just cut off the head of one of them give it to him to eat it's going to be okay and maybe that one that the ki is eating that one was but how do you know the whole the whole string according to the whole basket according to how do you know that all of it is okay maybe that one is okay so the garra says I'm ramana ramana said sim It's talking about it's talking about with aid who's testing the ki to see whether he's going to eat it or not. He took all the and he put them underneath his uh bag. He's a brave man. And then he gave one of them to the kouti to eat. So the kouti doesn't know which one he's eating. So obviously [snorts] he's comfortable eating whichever one it is. Must be it's because they're all shak. But the gar says maybe he had a little bit of a simmon meaning initially he put them all underneath his bagot. But then you know when he took it out and he gave him a little something for the minute he saw it and maybe he noticed the simmon it's talking about where he crushed the head meaning he mish put it in a way where it looks like something just smashed and as a result even if he had a sim the sim is not going to be there anymore. The bottom line is by him eating this one thing that's a giloid that everything must be okay because there's no way for the kouti to know well it's not but says the have another problem the maybe the are of the opinion that the whole concept of is not a meaning I understand that we trust the when it comes to the laws of but it's really a very big that we do that but Maybe we only trust them when it comes to gases, when it comes to behaviors. But when it comes to an such as maybe over there, the shouldn't be trusted because maybe they were not in the laws of for themselves because there's a say as we're going to learn if you look at the so apparently [snorts] this is something that's going to come up a few times in that. So how could you say that just like when it comes to so too it's going to be true for maybe is talking about and by dear the were the laws of but when it comes to when it comes to that maybe that's the opinion of the and therefore you shouldn't be able to trust them in other words the BC is saying just like you can use this method when it comes You can also work at maybe not maybe not but responded and said according to you this is the question everybody's been asking the five that govern the laws of does it say those anywhere in the what do you have to say we know that they were in it and being that we know they in it. Even though it is what it is, you have to say the price of hell that when it came to the laws of as well and even though they were and meaning there's some anomaly that's playing itself out over here as he relates to the laws of you see that they were on our standards even though it is something that's very much rooted in Messiah but this is the way it said that we trust there is a even for us. Well, if that's the case, we know they were when it came to as well or at least that would be the opinion of this and even though there's market to be in it because but there's market to be on their entire based on the five the given so too when it comes to there's no reason to say that that would be treated any differently says the So what does this even mean? So there's a long rashy and Rashi throws in a in the middle. What's emerging is a very interesting and that is the traditionally were only except they were stating that when it came to apparently they were and because they were we trusted them. Maybe if it's not something that's in the even if they claim that then so for them maybe it's a good thing but for us no way in the world maybe we're not going to be on it it's that we are right that's one of the one is that they're gam number two that they were and and by the way it's almost like a third it's like a 2A right we could trust there even for ourselves says the gamar that I think this Indian of where something is not in the you know that whether or not that would translate to [snorts] us being able to be for our purposes on their that's what is the origin to this it's a and if it sounds familiar it's in a prime real estate it's in this is a gar that's learned in yeshiva the learn matasi the mats of a yeah of the baked mat you're allowed to eat it not just that you could even explain what the that is if you're allowed to eat it that means it's presumed to be matzah so if it's [snorts] so right why shouldn't I be able to be and if he baked it could be my too right so what would be the big deal what's the separate says that no mas is not okay because let's be honest you're going to trust them to bake mitz they don't know and as a result absolutely said any mitzvah that the take upon themselves they're actually more careful than the themselves again this is another that brings out uh ambiguity with which the tanoyim viewed the koutin. It was so confusing exactly how you're supposed to treat them. But either way, threeas specifically regarding the matas of again said not just said they're even better. So the Gar is going to tease apart this first explain what the threeas are and from there the is going to try to show where you see that is really says what's you see not everybody agrees with that it's that it's means you could trust that it's meaning it's why shouldn't you be able to be by the way just to state the obvious what does it mean it means that on PES number one there's an iss Additionally, there's also to eat a gaz of matzah on the first night of pes because it says essentially what we're saying is it's so you could eat it. Additionally, as it relates to that says it's obvious it's the same standard, right? to the extent it's not so it's if it's why shouldn't you be able to be says it's not the same standard one of the that govern with which a person's is that you need a you need that it should be done one of the lashma is in the mat so I would have thought that it's true we could trust him that the dough didn't rise and we could trust him that it's not but to day that he was the mitzvah of the that's the extra said is because he can't trust them not only but you're not even allowed to eat it says the holds now Rashi says that the word here does not mean what it meant one line ago because is not just saying that you can't says if that's what he was saying is you would say that we had a line ago that's hold but says you can't eat it. He doesn't say you're not with it. You physically can't eat it cuz he's concerned that it might be. So what then does mean? It means that you can't even trust that they watched it that it didn't rise so that you don't even trust that it's not. And that's now Rashi says it's a little that one line go means and over here means that it's even going to be and because of that she says we have to be the and maybe the words are not but maybe really what he's saying is that it's something that is completely not okay. Take a look at the first wide line. Right. Rashi says because a minute ago meant something else. already was I think something's funny with the gear because probably usually in the poetic symmetry of the would work very well but in the of the it actually doesn't the third he said any mitzvah that were even more than from a perspective Isn't essentially repeating the tanakama? Now there's heres in you should know the kim. You're having a discussion whether you can trust them. Let me tell you something. I've met some that more than the you ever met. I hear I hear very interesting something worth exploring. We probably should psycho analyze this a little bit. This is a Bryce and the Bryce is telling me what [snorts] he essentially must be of the opinion is that And if that's the truth says the is what would be if you have a mitzvah that's mentioned in the so it's in the but at the same time we have no says we don't know whether they were in this mitzvah or they weren't in this mitzvah. That's what's going on holds being that it's mentioned. You could [clears throat] trust them even if you don't have you want to know where is coming to argue maybe not even in but is coming to argue is he's coming to say that it's not enough that it's to say oh the are very from when it comes to things that are you also have to know that they were in no in his very flowery language was coming to actually minimize and mitigate and diminish the sheet of the tanama holds and it's true for any mitzvah as long as it's right it's even if it's as far as we know says no I am not so masim I have a lesser opinion than you do of the [gasps] I hold that to the extent that it's you can't trust them now does this make sense Doesn't sound that way. It sound like was coming to make less. It sound like he was so flower. He was trying to put them on a pedestal. You have no idea. That language of any mitzvah that the right you have to say this with a little animation with a little [ __ ] That's the wrong way of presenting this. You know what he should have said? He should have said the word. You should have been nitpicking a little bit. He should have said one second of you. You need a little disclaimer over here. You should say clearly that it's only true if it's only says you're right. You have to say that whatever the is actually the one that's saying more. I'll tell you what the is. What would it be if you heard something that's not in the but at the same time they were being that it's like I don't care that they're If it's hold even if it's in other words what's the between the is in the words of the whether or not but it's like is it considered a khazaka or is it not considered a kazaka according to the tanakama know according to yeah and that's what the meant when it said what's the in the regarding matas what does it have to do with our it has a lot to do with our because the bryce that we started today's d with which by the way according to and ra is really the topic of the Mishna we're making a big assumption and that is we're saying that something that is not but it's it's considered when does it play itself out that in the event that and he goes ahead and he eats from that YOU NOW WOULD BE ALLOWED TO EAT it as as much as it relates to the as much as it has to do with the of but if the eats from it we could rely on Why? Because if HE'S clearly the t of the which is also the price is of the opinion that even something that's to the extent that it's that in of itself will be okay. And by the way, you should know that really this is something that's this is really a it's the but of the of really really does not agree with this. Just one thing that I think is Kada mentioned before we go Ver and that is again a lot of chatter amongst the that if the did not keep the they didn't adhere to the Messiah why when it comes to was it different now from Gumar you see that this was probably not the only case sounds like there's some category of of things that are right there's a called but as it relates to and that is We mentioned briefly in the introduction to the that is the says tells the in the event that you're going to want to eat from bucker and so you should check it the way I commanded you to me says I don't know. I checked high and low and I don't see anywhere in the where it said is referring to an oral tradition. There must have been some sort of and really what this is referencing is the oral tradition. very rare that you find a in the that's referencing the he have a mitzvah no less where the mitzvah is basically DO IT THE WAY I told you in the but here's the point you see although there's a component but it's that there was a so knew that there had TO BE A THEY WERE FORCED INTO IT AND believe it or not their understanding of the was the same as our understanding about I'm like this maybe it's maybe it's even either way we now turn our attention to the second part of today's which by the way is going to go knee deep into tomorrow's so we're just going to make now and that is the idea that as long as you right he's allowed to why are we talking about this because this is the way Ashi explained the Mishna and was coming offline. When is he if you can't stating that as long as he'll be after the fact the we mentioned yesterday that really the whole idea of a mummer shacking is also a it's a big suga. It's the sug that's coming up right now. It's the suga we're about to launch into. Why? Because first of all, if this person is a m to eat, you would think that's a pretty good reason to disqualify him from being someone that's in the gash of selling and you needing to trust him that it's not an avail. So the whole idea is not just that you find this general that a m sometimes is not treated like a y. So if a m is not treated like a that would also pose a problem. We also mentioned that within the world of m there's nuance there's a which is what is there's also a concept of within the world of m you find is a m only if he stands to benefit from it is just a bad guy. Again, we're talking about we're clearly focusing on someone that is doing it for some sort of financial gain or for some pleasure that he gets from it. Additionally, we mentioned that there's certain a life of their own like someone that's which is the equivalent of being the bottom line is a lot of these are going to be the topic of the balance of today's and tomorrow's as well. Either way, Ra said, "Why?" I thought it was Raashi because again, Raashi based his on a memor of so is really the origin of this is if that's so as far as we know, he keeps 612 mitzvah. The one mitzvah he doesn't keep is he's again, if there's no benefit from him, he's for sure going to eat, the best hash in the world. But to the extent that it benefits him then he'll leave and eat. Now what do you do with a person like this? Can he so told us you check the and you give it to him and then if he goes ahead and he it's going to be okay. It says we're my time. What's the reason? The reason is cuz being that there's actually says what does it mean there's there's an animal there's no means there's two ways for him to check that either or again he has no benefit to do it in the way for the same price and the same amount of pleasure or lack thereof. He could do it in the hat way. So we're going to assume he's going to do it in that way. If he's a So what do you mean? He's incentivized to do it in the bad way. But being that he's not say why do you have to be even if you weren't? So we know this from yesterday says because that involves even a little bit of this person is so lazy that even that will get in the way. This is not surah. Oh, here I actually have to uhitz a little bit. Here I don't. And that's the way I would prefer to do it. Right. This for sure without knowing anything about this is a that as long as you could trust this guy. The guy eats he eats. That's what he ate for dinner last night. He ate. But you trust him as a it's a bigish, right? Robert probably needed a little bit of help. He probably needed a little bit of support. So the rabban turned to and they told him the messiah I'll bring you a from a this believe it or not is again discussing wars of so ironically the first part of the do ended up with and here we're talking about as well. So we know that is something that's additionally it's whether that's is it or is it only that it's that it's only that's the background information that we need that is in the possession of an after. So you have an who has about is that if you want to eat it you're allowed to eat it. In fact, right after Pes, if you want his beer to make Abdullah on, that in and of itself would be okay. I What do you mean? This person's he probably didn't sell his or get rid of it. If that's the case, it's over. It should be the reason because we assume that these people even though they're but just to frivolously do a like why would they? So probably what they did was they took the that they had and they swapped it out with a guy. They told the guy your is not of my is of so I'll give you my six-pack of you give me your sixack of and we'll call it even. It makes sense for them to do that because why should they go ahead and do an a. So we trust that that's something that they would do. We trust that we assume they're going to go ahead and be this is like right but we assume they're going to do that even though they're because again why would I go ahead and do So theor says like this before the ruon went to and told him I have a right to you from this price. So of the opinion who is this price going what do you see in the we assume that they're going to be what do you see you see is something you can rely on and you could rely on even for it's a riot to you what's saying is saying that even though this person but I believe I'm going to trust him even when it comes to such as the so you see from here from the that we assume even for the says how do you know it's going to how do you know we're dealing with maybe it's going to is only when we Maybe we only make when it comes to notes. It's true. You have that will say such a but when it comes to which is but says that the price is going to mean I can't disprove the fact that the price might be right button. Did the B say what it said was you know what the difference is a that you find in different Mishnas and Bryis which means just inn grammar that could be this is what happened and I'll be and I'll assume that you know what this is probably what happened right the fell into the and is fell into the right that's an idea that you find just as one DMA always means I don't know for sure this way maybe it happened but when you say then it sounds already like it's I'm assuming for sure this is what took place so says if what we're saying IS THAT WE HAVE not but that's for sure what happened well if that's the case you know what you see from here that even by according to you in right because you want to go going to you find this idea that I assume for sure that the person will be so in this idea of so if it's true certainly it's going to be true by in other words if you want to tell me it's going you're not making it worse you're making it better because now not only do I have a now I actually have a in other words we have you're saying this big unless there's some incentive to just be the only incentive we can come up with whether you hold that the bright coin that holds or you hold this going you see for sure you see for sure that there's a of you see it by the dicesis. Could be you see it only by this could be you see it even byis but for sure you see it by rises. So if you see when it comes to there's a for sure of if it's true for it's going to be true for maybe there's another right here in the beginning of the sounds a little bit like our now when we learned the Mishna we said even right could be that's I don't know we'll see but the bottom line is that says so the is going to be from obviously right but before we get to that has to build up because again could mean anything we said there's so many different possibil abilities and variables of how you can touch the word. So we have to build up a little bit before we get to our point. says when we say an oral is a what kind of do we mean if it's talking about where someone is his brothers died as a result in he's not allowed to get and that's what we're saying this person is a lad right it's p that he's a lad why shouldn't he be able to I mean there's a you know carbon pesate from goods here that's a that's paragl right truma But there are places where there's a discussion. But when it comes to if he's a which he clearly is. So what would be the you have to say it's meaning not only could you say but it's obvious that this is the way it is. We're talking about someone that's not just an but he's a this person does not want to do he's a and still this is shocking right even but he's a he's allowed to must be the is of the opinion so even though he's not but maybe when it comes would be for now that we establish that when we say it's referring to a and it's based on the fact that is not a so how do we understand the part of the price that says [clears throat] what's that referring to is it referring to you already said that in you already addressed and by the way you even addressed a very extreme case, right? You tested the system at its limit and you're telling me even a letter. So what then must be going on? It must be something that's a bigger than it can't just be because you maxed out as far as goes. It must be with a person's but aggressor. You know what that must be? That's a big because we're handling the and he's a m for this thing. And if that's the case and you then it would be okay. I'll tell you if someone it's not okay and what's the reason if this is an Indian that he's if he's not repulsed when it comes to you're not trusting him when it comes to the laws of okay. So then what is the of the you addressed that already? It has to be more than a it is a it's a but that one is even worse than the and it's going to you throw even though you would have thought no way Jose you're allowed to eat from his and that's the extra if somebody is a Even if you not going to be okay. There's no the says and you can't tell me it's just coming to tell me because I know that already from it's talking about something more than but less than what it's referring to. It's referring to someone that's a mumar. You would have thought for sure should not be okay cuz let's be honest is not one thing is of that's the of that's when someone's violating not just one of the ten commandments but one of the two that we heard from the so you would have thought that's worse it's not worse and you know who said it said it in the name of now is that somebody everybody agrees with is that a little bit controversial. Yes. How do you know it's tomorrow's so tomorrow we'll get into this idea that said in the name of someone who you can trust but in the interim you can always be that that's what the price is referring to and if that's the case there is no what was the second part of second part of the was according to is allowed to unbelievable as long as And it's based on an idea of which we saw has a regardless if you learn the is at the same time has why we talking about I mean obviously it's neg the laws of but why now because Ashi had learned that that was really what The first line of the was discussing this exhale. So as it relates to raid as promised. So the began with a what's going on over here is coming to be something and whatever it's coming to be there seems to be a contradiction whether that person is or whether that person is only so said he turned to the great Raashi And he told Raashi that I don't hear the but every single time it says the word is it says it says and they had a whole exchange. It also says but it says and after an ominant change of back and forth between finally turned to and he told him let me explain to you what's going on over here. The reason I felt that in our Mishna means despite the fact that you find elsewhere that it could mean is because I was bothered that if also means so then why does the Mishna have to repeat itself and say that whoever this is oh and by the way they it makes more sense that the town of the Mishna is telling me that this person that's and also sometimes only and then is to try to figure out but told let me explain to you where I was coming from what was bothering me was the words and that's why I asked the question that I asked we mentioned that [snorts] makes a very subtle but profound dick in the gar After Raaka gives Raashi a little bit of a run for his money as it relates to this cash, let me explain to you what my cash was. Where was it? Raashi's cash didn't start with [snorts] rather it started heard this. He turned to Raashi and they had a shackaria. So what does Ravashi mean when he says Ravashi? You're taking ownership of this. You're becoming balabos is not your kasha. This is not your kasha. You're defending the kasha. But what did mean when he sent says it sounds like from the was the one that asked even though when we read the in real time it didn't sound that way. says from here there's a is the one that was and it's for that reason it makes sense for Ashi to take ownership of this because being that Ashi is the garra either Ashi is the one asking the question or at the very least Raashi is the one who's presenting this question in the cedar of the garra BUT RAASHI BECOMES BALABOS he becomes the mando of this kasha because He's the author of the kasha or at the very least the presenter of the kasha. Hence it makes sense that even though it was the it should be attributed to raashi and that's why he said it's interesting this identical that you find right here in you find in another. So again this is it's discussing the very first of which is and the had a sh whether or not it's for to be bo with or not the reason that is because when the happen through that there's going to be a and this is something that a person is not and this is what's going on. So I'm just going to pick up one excerpt of the said that say himself once got married and was on. He allowed to happen on not the name of awesome. When the says was don't think he's coming to be he holds that it's only but not on Shabas is always more than would hold it on as well. So why did it say because it was a it was a real story. gave a hat and the story happened. But if the story would have been shabas, he would have issued the same exact hat. Who said this in the name of said in the name of no wasab it's going to be. So is whether or not when was it only as well said turns to and he tells him why would you hold that there's a between I assume you would Because what's the problem with a but there's never a time that you're allowed to make and there's no therefore it's going TO BE SO POPULAR IT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU It should be to make. So this is old school. Once upon a time, they used to make on, right? These were real bis. This is the real deal. Either way, he said it should be to make you have the same. What's the problem with making? The problem is it's you're saying that if you say by a beer that means you should say when it comes to it's regarding you it says the following and this is one of the foundational principles in definitely when you discuss the of smoking and showering not for now but either way he told them the epic words it says Right. Trivia question. Where does it say that? It's not in it's not in but either way it has to be but is not a puppy. I don't understand what you're asking me. I hope it's only not on chabas because it's all predicated on what? It's predicated on you to tell me if you say you know you should say with regards to HAS TO BE CAN'T COMPARE smoking to taking a shower right that would be a contemporary way of talking about this but the bottom line is as opposed to when it comes to that's not a you readyash turns toash says If that's the case, if somebody finds a hash being that is not maybe you shouldn't be uh allowed to meaning you're telling me that the only time you say [snorts] that something's called is if it's so maybe it shouldn't be allowed to sher of a turns He told him what I meant to say was we don't need the right this is not what we're learning hears this whole between and he turns and he asks him a good he says how do you reconcile he says what I meant to say was well I meant to say Rash didn't say one word we just went through the entire more than we had to he didn't say for a reason he didn't say ONE WORD DID WHAT does he mean when he said the terret is even though doesn't speak it's a it's the same exact and that is and that's why just over here. Even though he's not the one that said it, the truth is we don't have time for this right now, but if you take a look with regards to in the event that she's trying to be from and if you take a look in that's you're going to find the same exact sign. So at least four places where this repeats itself where in the middle of a someone says something to Raashi RIGHT LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT I MEANT EVEN THOUGH RAASHI DIDN'T say one word but the if you take a look on this and on the Gammor says Ravashi and Ravino were take a look at Rashi says they were the end of old was not written Everybody would say whatever he wanted to say. [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And this is says it's a very long rash. What the means when it says that ra and this right here is with this and that is the raashi and in the you see together with they were the ones that were mad to the truth this is an Indian that I believe is if for no reason other than we do what we do and that is we learn to bi day in day out rain snow or shine and we have a t is tucked away in the beginning of school that tells us who the author of the babi is I think it's kadai to delve in a little bit but before we do that we have to introduce a person that I believe is one of the most underrated goim of the late 19th century and the early 20th century and that is hagoditiza raenowitz or more popularly known as Isaac Halevi or even sometimes simply as halevi. So who exactly was raised in the 1840s in lita? He was a child prodigy. At the age of 13, he had enrolled in the Yeshiva and he became a Talmud Muik of the Balevi who was Rashiva or one of the Rashivas in the at the time. As a matter of fact, not only did he become a Talmud Muik of the Balei, but he became with the Baley's famous sonic. He became best best friends with the Isaac was an incredible incredible guy. His bikus was almost surreal. Not just that his way of learning. His mahalik and critical thinking was very much like that of his grabbi and his and his. So this was a Yid who had an incredible incredible beas. And [snorts] in addition to the fact that he had an incredible beas, he also was a big London in the very brisk theologic in the very very liter sense. Rais was also very street smart. He was very politically astute and there was a feeling amongst the that being that he was blessed with this kishan he had to use it for the in fact if you're familiar with a little bit of the the Jewish history of specifically of the yeshiva I discussed this briefly this morning with David Safir so of course had a rashiva and sometimes more than one more than one rashifa but there was also a position that was known as gabay so gabay today is probably what you would refer to as the president of the yeshiva. So it was understood that the yeshiva was going to operate with rishas but also had to be someone that was a to make the big decisions and that person had to be a little bit more worldly and someone that was more sensitive to the political ramifications of what yeshiva is going to do or what yeshiva is not going to do. The gabi of the yeshiva for the last 25 years of its existence was which by the way speaks volumes of who he was and how he was respected in the liter world and also with his relationship with because of course was one of the shivas of but the bottom line is this was a y who was a great great guy but he was also someone that had a certain instinct when it came to understanding worldliness and politics that transcended him and put him into a very very [snorts] unique category. Now we all know that the second half of the 19th century was a very very dangerous time for the Jews. If not physically, certainly spiritually that was the height of the Hascala and the the whole world of looking at the Tyra in a different way was plowing through all parts of Europe and it had even penetrated the one of the big sakonas that was unique to the is that there were a few Masculum whose names don't have to be mentioned that had written history works and they started questioning what Yidden always took for granted. They had this new scientific method and approach to going about history. And just because you heard something from your father, heard something from his father doesn't necessarily mean that we have to take it at face value. And they started uh writing newsletters which eventually became multiolume historical works and these works started making their ways into the shenan the best. And there was a big feeling that even though we tried to ignore but at the same time this was too powerful and something had to be done. There had to be some counter movement because if there's not going to be a counter movement you know who knows what kind of is going to take place just to appreciate this a little bit better. One of the ideas that were being very much undermined in these uh was the origin of the Talmud and exactly how things came about and it was considered to be very very dangerous to people that dedicated their lives to studying the Talmud. Regardless, uh, a group of Raan got together and they decided that we have to be Manu, one of our, one of our people and by the way, those works were written by former yeshiva guys as well. But right now, we need one of our to go and he's going to have to write a work that's going to counter everything that's being done. And they decided that the person that's qualified to do this is none other than our hero Isaac. He had the credentials from aus perspective. He had the credentials from ankaharim from a London perspective. And he also he was very astute and as a result they felt he's the one that should go ahead and do it. As a matter of fact, in the letters for there's a letter where is so excited when he hears that undertook this uh work and he's going to go and he's going to put SOMETHING OUT WHERE HE'S going to show the world the truth and he's going to give credibility. Unfortunately, we've come to this point to arm and present the facts the way that they really happened. And either way is he took the calling of the Israel and he embarked upon this project and this project became his magnumopus. If you know you know it's [snorts] what's known today as a six volume work it's called the shim. The dish was written by Isaac and the purpose of the sham was to go and it was the counter. As a matter of fact if you go through over the years I've gone through several segments of it. It's very very unique. First of all, it's unique because it's in large part a palemic. He quotes all the masculimarim that you're not supposed to learn and he quotes them chapter and verse. He had to it was he had to do what he had to do [laughter] and as a result it a big chunk of is literally quoting all these different additionally it's a history work. So you talk about classic history works comes up in every single intelligent conversation but on top of that it's also a real safer because as we're about to see he made incredible ppulin and he answered kashes and he brought so you have to make before you learn maybe not for the component and maybe not for the Jewish history component ask your local rabbi but there's A LOT OF PILL there's a lot of there's a lot of raid going on in these and it's an incredible incredible work it was authored by this great great goyen who really if you think about it was nephesh to dedicate years of his life to do this and he did it literally to make sure that the would realize and they would understand that really their messiah was the proper messiah now it's interesting if you go through so was going up against very formidable opponents right the again who we haven't named who wrote books were very intelligent people but at the same time had an unfair advantage and you see it in one second and that is he was a much bigger than that it wasn't even close so his level of is so gagal gag you know how we get excited when we speak out some of the rep Margolas pieces it's that level and then merge that with type of lumbus [laughter] so the the brilliance of if you know where look is on a different planet and that was as far as uh we we're concerned looking at this as somewhat non-objective observers that gave him a tremendous tremendous unfair advantage but either way that's what the dusum is and that's the introduction. So believe it or not, a big chunk of deals with who wrote the now you say how could that have been a debate of who wrote the how could there be a debate we quoted by the way the raman in histo and his famous say exactly what rash and both saying that is that who was misaru was raashi but at the end of the day in ter It's in terms of the kaz it's one gra it's a and even that garra is a very vague the garra says and raashi what does even mean it means they wrote the gmorra doesn't say they wrote the garra it says they were so rashi says what it means but we're dealing with people that weren't taking what rashi said as and as a result and his where he believe it or has to defend this. SO HE NEEDED to somehow make the argument again using the scientific approach to wrote the because that one blurb wasn't enough for these mascul and the fact that said it being that it's coming from that one as well they didn't feel necessarily held that the level of credibility and therefore even though said it's and if the raman writes it in histo and writes it is and it's a ratch and it's a that [laughter] this is the way you have to learn the IT'S THE SO [laughter] IT'S posit it's posit that this is what it means but at the same time at the snip time he was sort of forced to go ahead and try to come up with some scientific proof from the m that raashi is the one that raashi is the one that wrote the bath So if you have access to the this is in it's starting from page 562 you just turn page after page after page made an incredible observation an observation that repeats itself over and over and over again that it's literally just going to start with one and then we'll get the gist of it. This is the says as follows. It's a man would go over to his wife, give her a get and say, you're now a a free woman, right? Sounds like she needs a get. It's nothing because is not a lotion of what's the if somebody goes to and say and you would say because what's the lion of what would be if somebody went over to his wife and said you are to yourself do we say that what he meant was that Now your paycheck goes to me moving forward. Your paycheck you can keep for yourself. Or maybe means you're not just uh your paycheck but it means you're 100% freed. You're severed you're not going to be my wife anymore. This is the says turned to and he said bring your and that was his why is it that Ravino said his terret toashi why you JUST SAY HIS TERRET say I have a term doesn't say Ravino just said his terret ravina went and he said his terret to Raashi nowish had Ravashi said something previously in the sug that would explain why Rava is talking to Ravashi Raashi had said something or IF RAVASHI WOULD RESPOND TO RAVINO AND HE WOULD SAY SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT that's why we're bringing Ravi we're looping Raashi into this CONVERSATION CUZ HE'S GOING TO CONTRIBUTE. Ravashi didn't contribute one thing in that there was an Raven is the one that said the just one raash that you want to know who Rav told this to Raashi and there said that this anomaly where you have an who's going to say a terret to Akasha and rather than just say it he's going to address IT TO RAASHI DESPITE THE FACT RAVASHI WASN'T mentioned earlier or isn't going to be mentioned later is something that you find in if you know how to look over and over and over and over again. He quoted Gimmel. He quoted. He quote over and over and over and over and over again where there's a cash and it's always different by the way and whoever it's [snorts] You just go through these guitars. It's always a different am every single one is somebody else. And instead of just saying the terret, he says it to RAVASHI AND RAVASHI'S WHOLE CONTRIBUTION TO THE IS THAT HE'S THE ONE HE WAS THE RECIPIENT. HE is the one that this terret was told to. And he said IT HAS NO HAVANA. WHAT'S the he said? BUT IT'S POSH. BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW HOW TO LEARN GAMARRA, if you're not a historian, but you're someone THAT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE GAR, YOU WILL KNOW THIS THAT RAASHI has a very unique role in the Gumar and that is he was the messader of the Tami. So when Tuts were being said, they weren't just being said, they were being told to Raashi and the reason they were being told to Raashi is because Raashi had this very very unique role of being Msum and being that he had this unique ROLE BEING MSOR. SO HE'S COLLECTING and that's why you have all these different going out and telling things to that you're not telling to anybody else. In other words, we have a based on which we showed which we saidashi didn't say a word and then at the end of the is what I meant to say. It's four ripe our boy Adam there's no question in the world I'm going to double down on this I'm going to show you how many times where even though you don't have that very unique punchline where Raashi says this is what I meant to say but at the same time the talking to Raashi and being that they're talking to Raashi it means Raashi plays a very unique role over here what's this new unique role the Raash is playing the ter is he's the messiah of the it's not one line in a mia that that the mascul could be makone. THIS IS THE WHOLE T OF BI. It screams IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS THAT RAV ASHI is the one that was mass of the Tabi. I'll tell you something very interesting. Rabbari Bergman from Lawrence. So he wrote his dissertation on Isaac's. It's called the formation of the Talmud. though it's a synapsis with a lot of his on this thesis of Disar Shim specifically the formation of the Talmud components there's a lot more going on in Shinum but he's referring specifically to this part on page 117 he brings this whole Indian that made this observation that you find suggest with his accasha and is going to say a ter and he tells the terret to raash even wasn't mentioned prior, he wasn't mentioned after. This is what he writes. He says, "Today, Halevy's assertion can be proven by computerass assisted research which validates his hypothesis, a feat not possible in earlier generations." This author has tested for similar patterns among the most commonly quoted, Rahuna, Rafisda, Ravisf, Rabba, Abaya, Rava, Rav, Raapa, and Ravina. by checking all instances in which answers were addressed to them and verifying that they were previously involved in the same discussion. The phenomenon Halevi found for Aashi is not present even once with any of them. the only ammo that you're going to find this to where there was a cash and someone saying the ter and he's addressing the terraash to someone that wasn't mentioned earlier or later is going to be raashi and that's because ravashi is the one that was mad raashi is the one that was the so this dik that spoke out which we showed you see already from other as well but really there's a broader and a more general dikto and that dto repeats itself over and over and over and over and over again. But I'll tell you one other came as shocking news to me that I saw as I was going through a little bit of and this is and this is on page 80 who was the one that turned to Raash right in the beginning of school. You ever think twice about these right there that features so prominently? I mean, we know it's not the first time we heard we've definitely said the words a lot. But if we ever stopped to meditate a little bit on on that name says that if you look and we're going to start finding it a lot if you look you're going to see is mentioned countless times in countless you can't count literally [snorts] not just that almost every time he's mentioned he's talking to Raashi this idea of repeats itself close to a hundred times in where is not just saying something but he's talking directly to and said you ready for this we're used to thinking of the rightand man so to speak of but if you know how to look you're going to find that aside from that you find part and parcel of the equation but in a unique way was next to him in the identical way that was next to Once you know how to look, you'll see was on Raashi's side in the same exact way as Ravina was on his side. So the it wasn't just Ravashi. It was Ra and Raashi as well. In fact, when you look at contribution and you look at contribution in the world of Isaac who is the appointed by to KNOW THIS HE SAID I'M TELLING you is literally side by side and how much more meaning will that give to sing the words of how much more meaning will that give to sing [snorts] the words in other words this beginning of the for two days and the began raashi and at the end says and you can almost miss this and all of a sudden throws in over here that we can see and send This of understanding the names and appreciating what's going on right here isn't just a insight in terms of understanding but it's a insight in terms of everything that we do understanding the whole cedar of the gar understanding we are ra and raashi and kadisha that's sitting down and they're going right now the perish and they begin and who's the head of this he puts it out there what do you mean raashi puts it out what's going on over here AND ALWAYS AS YOU'RE going to see on his right side he turns to him and he says what do you mean DOESN'T MEAN THAT WAY SAYS LET ME EXPLAIN it to you and then they deliver some contemporary like raashi's and like ravenous and then they even bring from the past like this is all in the cedar of the shas let's be mass let's put it in writing a verb lived 100 years ago I understand but now we're putting it down now we're going to canonize it for generations the bottom line is it's an insight not only in terms of understanding in terms of understanding this right here but really it's a it's a way of understanding the entire of exactly the cedar of the shas I'll just end that is so uh one of the things that you discover when you learn the story of Isaac is that as we mentioned he was someone that was politically very very sharp and very respected by all the Israel from the to the nagden to the litfisher to the pisha to the da he was somebody that was able to build bridges is and was able to unite Yidden in a very very very unique way. As a matter of fact, if you know, you know. Barisaki was also very instrumental in the founding of agrade. It's claimed that he's the one that came up with the name a good Israel. He's the one that in one of his letters said I even have the name. The name is going to be called Israel because the objective is going to be to unite all the Yidden. And if you look at how far he went to make sure every single Yid was going to be included in his vision of what a good was going to be. Ultimately not everybody joined Poda, but read his letters and you'll see what he was trying to do. And he said that's what we're going to call it. We're going to call it our because we're going to look away from differences and we're going to make sure we're going to unite all the different the way Bergman concludes his dissertation is that it's so interesting that the legacy is the sham and a big part of the sh maybe the but a big part of the sham was the formation of the and his contribution that he gave to in terms of understanding the a few years after passed away at a hago which was hosted by Audra the idea of Duoi came about which further cemented the contribution and the legend of Rabutka you know it's interesting in today's raid introduced us to an that maybe we never fully appreciated an unsung hero of the Talmud I think Isaac Alvi himself is one of the unsung heroes of Jewish history a name that the world has forgotten a name that the world deserves to remember. This was a yid that contributed so much to the sur of clawus the way it is today. He was a yid that was matos at a time when was at a tremendous The dice.