Preparing video...
0:00 / 0:00
Chulin 36
0 views
Comments(0)
Transcript
Auto-generated transcript. Not time-synced to the video.
Today's
and we are about 20 lines from the top
of
the two dots.
Today's being learned as
today's also being learned.
So today's daf is another tom of daf
stating that it's way way lighter not
light but way way lighter than the
previous two and a half doen. The topic
of today's daf is one of the more
obscure areas of the laws of
and that is the idea of
so what's makiran? It's actually the
name of a maka. One of the makas in say
the tyros is called
mir. The premise of makiran is that
although we're familiar hopefully by
this morning with the basic ideas of
stating that the says that in order for
food to become
it first needs to be prepped. It has to
be
how does food become prepped to now be
subject to becoming tame in the event
that some liquid falls on top of the
food that is considered the preop that
it requires. Once that happens at that
point if it comes in contact with an
avail if it comes in contact with a mace
if it comes in contact with a person
that's tame aishi
that's when all these has fall into
place. So the only time food can become
tame is if first the food was wet in the
event that the food did not become wet
then it's not yet in a state where it's
able to be all the laws of don't apply.
Now there are obviously additional
that relate to how exactly the food
becomes
even when it is wet. Hence there's a
whole
that deals with those laws but super
duper high level which is believe it or
not where we can leave it for this
morning. In order for food to become
even
to being it has to be
and that would mean it came in contact
with a liquid. Now the source to this is
the Pik says and this is infidel
any food
where fell on it it's now able to become
pretty straightforward several later
this is
if water is going to fall on top of zer
meaning seeds something that grows the
and now a little bit of from is going to
fall on top of the zer
it should be treated as so
the says that in the event that food
comes in contact with it's only in if
first
then it's
then if however it did not come in
contact yet with water then the is it
will not be subject to being able to be
Tommy. Now what's the behind the the is
that something becomes tummy when it's
complete. When something is incomplete
it's not in a state yet where it's able
to become tummy. Food is deemed complete
when it first became wet. If it wasn't
wet it's incomplete. Something
incomplete can't become tommy. very
similar to the idea of Mess's ka which
deals with different kalin utensils when
are they considered complete so that now
if they come in contact with they could
become but it's the completeness
of the that there's an idea that if it
became wet like the Tyra says in two
different places it's able to become
otherwise it won't be able to become now
as it relates to this morning's daf
we're going to be discussing one of the
mash kins that are
in fact said there are seven mashkin
seven beverages that are
food so that it could be
one of those beverages is actually not a
beverage at all not something you're
supposed to drink is blood is considered
one of the mashkins that
is
now it's a little bit of aesh that blood
would be considered a mashka
First of all, just the physical nature
of blood is it's a little more viscous,
right? It's a little thicker than
regular mashka. But besides, it's not
really something that anybody drinks.
But we'll see in today's daf that kazal
derived the fact that we treat dam as a
mashka with regards to being
from a in the is a that's very much
tucked away. It's in par's balum
is talking.
So the uses the word in the context of
and that's where you see that dam
literally a is someone that was killed a
corpse be it a person be it an animal
but
oh you see the idea of regarding dam
that's how you know dam is considered
one of the mashkin stating that the
theme of the first part of today's daf
is going to be that not all blood was
created equally So there are certain
bloods that are makabma. There are
certain bloods that are not kabat. And
this is really the background that we
needed for this morning's stuff. Now why
are we talking about blood whether it's
or not? Same reason we were talking
about the last few days. It goes back to
the Mishna.
If you remember the Mishna discussed
somebody that
and no blood came out and the Mishna
gave a how you treat it. Mishna said
number one kasher you don't need blood
when it comes to that we saw in the gar
you need blood because there you need to
do a but when it comes to no blood
that's fine additionally the Mishna said
if you want to eat the meat with hands
that are that's going to be okay
because being that there was no dam the
bus never became
and that it never became no there's no
issue there's no way for to go from your
hands onto the boss
was he said
I disagree even if there's no blood
still the
itself this is a lumpus the isi
said what's the
it's a not the migu
but this is what we always refer to as
the other MIGO sense meaning being being
that you find that this had the ability
to take something from being in a state
of and now making it so that it's so too
this has the ability to be as well
meaning the is such a
that it could take it from being
where if somebody ate it would
his it would take away his
like talks about
right the ability of this when it's wow
and now all of a sudden it can't do that
to the contrary now if you eat it with
you could be so now all of a sudden
think about what took place so if the
was so powerful that it was able to
alter the spiritual DNA of this buser so
too the has to be powerful
in order for it to be able to be.
So here's the question that we're going
to talk about right now. Theim clearly
disagree with the say if there's dam
it's if there's no dam it's not
says even if there's no dam it's
when said that the
is also saying that I don't think is
he going that far or is just saying you
don't have to come on to the dam the
itself does the trick meaning even if
there's no dam it's going to be fine.
But you want to know if the dam would be
masher. Yes, certainly for sure the the
dam would be what would be if somebody
an animal dam came out and it landed on
a watermelon and then a fell on top of
it. If holds it the is like the
when it comes to you don't have to come
onto it because when it comes to the
itself was m so at the very least in
this situation we not discussing the
buser that you shed but rather you're
discussing the watermelon. So over there
the dam would be the watermelon.
If however is telling you that it's only
the that's however when it comes to the
dam itself the dam of the is not well
then when it falls on the watermelon the
watermelon is not falls on top of it
afterwards it's not gonna be okay. Now
first glance he would say why would you
even entertain such a
said was is that if you
he never said that d is not like where
would you even come from so the truth is
that if all we have is the information
of the it feels a little bit like but by
the end of the beginning of today's daf
oxymoron but by the end of the beginning
of today's d we'll see that rib shim has
a lot of interesting
in the world of and there's a lot of
different bloods there doesn't count
when it comes to being remember the fact
that
is in itself it's learned that from a
really
which opens up the possibility to what
we said earlier not all blood was
created equally so
that not all blood is
maybe when it comes
It's the same thing. And by the way, not
to give it away, but this is not just
going to be a it's actually be a mas.
And really at the end of the day the of
is going to be that the of is actually
not
it's a more reading in the you would
think
but again it's more based on shims that
are mentioned elsewhere in the either
way after that what turned out to be
longer than expected introduction
zakumar
shim
says that in the event that somebody
went ahead and checked the no came out
is that you still can't eat it
because the buser is there was no dam
said
right what's the difference between just
this is what says or
so in Yiddish
this is something he used to often say
so he met in the street
so even though We tell you all the
desire says you want to hear something
of but you should know the dam is not if
the dam would fall on the watermelon
then the it wouldn't be says the
from the said
in the event that there was a and no dam
came out the is the itself is my doesn't
it sound like for
that it's only the not so says no way
why would you say that if anything if
you look in the they struggle a little
bit what was even the but the bottom
line is no just said that if there was
no blood it's still he never said that
if it falls on a watermelon it's not
going to be match but the sense I have
another this maybe is
so this comes from a which is always
wordier
And at this price is talking straight to
the turns to the and he says,
"Oh, this sounds already a little bit
like the D maybe doesn't have the
ability to be but
there's no right that means that either
because could be what was saying was
not the do you have to come onto the dam
in order to be
the itself is and therefore Even if
there was no dam it would be you want to
know if the dam itself is maker when it
falls on our proverbial watermelon could
be for sure that would be the case.
Bottom line is strike two. So we had two
but at first glance seemed like maybe
ras to raasi. The first one was a little
more uh kish. Second one felt like it
had a little bit more teeth but at the
end of the day both of them the gar
knocked out. Now the Gumar is going to
flip the script. Says I'll bring you
maybe not like
said now this is a
it's
so we're going from Mishnas and Tyrus
that was the last few days to
shim said
the dam of an animal that dies on its
own is not that's statement. Rab says
that even though dam is one of the
but if the animal dies on its own then
what's the reason it's because we said
earlier that what's the dam is even
considered a mashka
is a a wounded corpse meaning it's dead
but it died from some sort of gunshot
right or something along those lines so
says oh
where it was that's when that's when we
treat it like a mashka
Now my love says the
it sounds like telling you what type of
dam is he's telling you that the dam of
an animal that died on his own is not
going to be but let's say you went ahead
and you the animal in that instance it
sounds like it it sounds like it would
be that's a raasi says that according to
the dam of is not it sounds like told
you it's not dam is not but says like
could be even dam is
not a so why do you say dam it sounds
like dam
not but something else yeah isn't that
something else no
the something yeah is the says
you're telling me that is really
included in dam so just like dam is not
so dam is not but the says if that's the
case
we should have mentioned damita
Dam and I certainly wouldn't have known
damame. Now what's the behind that? Why
if I would tell you damashita would I
know for sure not dam but if I tell you
dam I'm not sure about damita. So really
rashi says that in order to understand
this we have to know a garra that's
coming up on the bottom of the we'll
just speak it out very briefly the gum
is talking that if somebody
so the p says if you
so the dam is not regular because you
can't put it on right usually you do
[snorts] but this being you don't the
says what do you do with the
you could just let it uh pour [snorts]
on the ground can't drink it either.
Right? So you just
[snorts] from the fact that the comp
that's a little bit of a to maybe say
that would also be considered
that has the ability to be but the point
the Gmorra says is that if you're going
to tell me that is also not then that's
for sure a big the reason it's a big is
because it's a hab to learn out from a
different that maybe it should. So
wouldn't it make more sense tell me is
not if you tell me is not so I'm going
to know it's because it has to be even
is not enough and if
is not included in certainly is not
included in
but the says that [snorts] it's not true
it's I'll tell you why the felt he had
to say and it doesn't necessarily
preclude
I could have thought
you could have made the argument that an
animal that dies on its own is very
similar to an animal that was killed.
When an animal
is killed, you killed it. When an animal
dies on its own, the Malikov has killed
it. When an animal is slaughtered, it's
considered completely different. Rashi
says that's already dam that's
considered that the animal was
which is its own class in the world of
how you can kill an animal. It's not
just
it's not but rather that's considered to
have been done in a completely different
way. The bottom line is it could be reb
holds that damita is not just like dam
is not I why did he say dam shouldn't he
have said damita I would think damita is
a bigger kadesh why is it a bigger kesh
because there's another limo to maybe
mean the answer is no it's actually
true that damita has its unique over dam
but dam also has a kdesh over damita
because dam is more similar to dam kal I
mean that it's more similar to dam and
was you could have thought that dam is
also why they similar because
and it's for that reason we mentioned
but just because he said dam is not ma
doesn't in of itself mean that
is
not and there's no said one interesting
sidebar related rate is it sounds like
from the when an animal dies it dies
Right. Maliki who? Mali Kot Malikov. Now
we know about the angel of death
[snorts] the Malikov
and you know he does his thing but I
don't know you would expect that the
Malikov goes after people. He goes after
animals also sounds like from the
garalik
unless you'll tell me this is just
hyperbole right it's not meant to be
taken literally. Truth is is another
gumar guml
that's better known than this. The gumar
talks about who was with an animal and
the animal ended up dying and the says
right so there's an idea you find in the
kazal said that when an animal is killed
he's killed we have a rabbit bite on
this it starts with actually earlier in
the
but either way return to our regular
program again
that is not
So this is also mentioned over there and
he said the dam of a wound. So if
somebody wounds an animal that dam is
not what does it sound like? It sounds
like d of a wound where the animal
didn't die then it's but if it died.
Yeah. And again it all goes back to the
defines what type of dam has the ability
to be. What's damal? An animal that was
killed not slaughtered didn't die on its
own with the also not wounded. It sounds
like when it's wounded only that dam is
not but if it's
more similar to obvious and as a result
maybe there yet says my love
says
the only you can make from there is as
opposed to but is like it's not going to
be but the say I understand
tell me it's not
wouldn't it make more sense to tell
Damita and I'll know for sure and again
why is that more of a so in this context
number one because more similar to and
besides you even have a lim to maybe
so it would make more sense says no
felt that it needed to I mean I would
have thought
I actually would think that if somebody
hits an animal wounds it and blood comes
out it's more similar to killing it
because you find this
If somebody wounds somebody, he killed
them a little bit, right? It's like a So
you would think that's more similar to
as opposed to is a different class than
therefore
you would have thought you would have
thought that
maybe
but from the fact that I told us that
doesn't mean bottom line is what is
according to is that Not only in our sug
but at the same time this is what
and it's sort of in line with some of
these others that we just mentioned in
the world of where holds that is not
is not dam is also not going to be but
says I don't understand
why Is it that
it's based on a
right we mentioned this before we said
is going to bring it brings it says
when you don't have to worry about the
dam there's no
what do you do with the
but the bottom line is we're comparing
to
we're comparing also so if that's a tok
for it to be able to be why don't we say
the same over here. So the says now
because this although it's a good and it
could technically theoretically be used
for this but it's taken already. It's
not available
because it's coming to teach me that the
is why would you think it's
being that
is meaning even though this
doesn't have anymore and it has a lot of
cool because of the fact that it's but
you find that you're not let she wool
and you're not allowed to do work with
it. So I would have thought maybe
Maybe it's blood require we should treat
it as
that's the that is not available. It's
for that reason we can't learn anything
from it. Another very much related
we learn from there that
is not. So what exactly is?
So again for this we have to be or it
would help be helpful to be a
veterinarian. But if you look at
says two lines from the top
if somebody causes blood to come out of
a
beginning
there's one or two drops of blood that
come out
and then afterwards it starts streaming.
It starts pouring
and then the blood starts changing
colors. It goes from red and it turns
black.
This comes from
is the soul of the animal to depart.
It's
it's from when the blood starts turning
black moving forward
which is before it turned black. That's
the original bloods that are coming out
is not considered. What's the bottom
line? The is not the dam that the
nephesh departs with. It's for that
reason it's not included in.
And it's for that reason it's
The bottom line is this is another
example
where is not let's just hit the pause
button exhale because this really
concludes the first third of the DA and
that is said in our
if somebody and there was no D say this
bus is not as a result if you want to
touch the bus
even if it's
etc it's going to be okay says no
that took it from being to make it
kosher meat that in it of itself has the
ability to be walks into he says I'm
going to tell you something said
not only don't you need the dam to be
to be
the dam of doesn't have the ability to
be
why would you say that it's not in any
way related to what shim is saying the
answer as we see now is really related
to
in the world of because the fact that
blood is aesh it [snorts] says and
that's where we learn that dam is but
it's only or something that's eerily
similar to what's a that's an animal
that was killed. So when the dam is
that's when it's and that's why holds if
an animal dies on its own it died
it's not
where it came out of a wound it's not
it's not by the way there's a time that
says is also not because that's not
considered but either way in the world
of shim holds dam is also not because
it's not the same thing and as a result
that is really the basis that is the so
that
one is holds that
is
because if it's enough to be met from so
to
the second is
is not
and that's more related to other
but that is what essentially at the end
of the day is saying and again more
based on
paragraph moving along
very much
we learned in
somebody shucked in an animal an animal
of they hit this at the last and then
blood squirted it's very bloodish and
some of it landed on a dalas. So it
landed on some sort of uh vegetable
[snorts] and the dalas Rashi says this
is very important was number one. It was
detached from the ground so it's able to
become to additionally it was truma. It
was also truma. Now
if you have truma that is tame is you
can't eat it. You have to burn it. If
you have truma that's not because you
have to eat it, you can't burn it,
right? So whenever you see a setup of in
the world of truma, the stakes are very
very hot. But we're getting a little
ahead of ourselves. If somebody again
and landed on the says
this becomes the max
says,
what does mean? So we'll see tomorrow
but for now it means uh I don't know
being that said that it's
what should we do tell you what we
should do
I think we should bring into the
conversation
used to say
that it's the that's not the right this
is Raasi's understanding of Rabim in our
Mishna [snorts] and it's for that reason
said Rabia I think we bring into the
fold and that's the way we're going to
be mak the situation so a very cryptic
bra with a follow-up statement for Rabia
we're looping in shim to this discussion
what exactly is going on that's going to
be the next third of today's da let's
just take in this price a little bit
better somebody blooded
on the dalas of truma We have a
whether this
is
or not
says it's the landed
was cryptic but it sounds like is saying
that for sure not that it's so said like
this I don't know what to do said it's
like not sure is saying something
you know what I'm going to do I'm going
to bring
holds that dam is not. So it's not
sounds like from the words we're going
to put on the side of and we're going to
end up being like will be whatever that
even means and we're not going to say
that this dalas is
now clearly this has a lot to do with
the first part of the d because you see
over here we're bringing in the
where the dam is where the dam is not
again the whole damita
That's why if you then there's no dam
it's not then there is the bosser is
we had a discussion of whether he holds
said that holds that is not is clearly
of the opinion as well but we have it
here in the context of someone who
landed on a dalas of
again very thear is going to bring two
first fora and then for aashi rightashi
second not first but first fora then for
aashi to try to uh navigate what's going
on over here. Papa said very he said how
come everybody agrees
in the event that the dam that landed on
the trum would be on the of
meaning from the beginning of the till
the end of the from when you the first
until you completed the second in that
situation everybody would agree that it
would be
there's no sh in the world and the
reason is because you have
and there's no
they both agree that is
like
the light corruption keep
where the blood got cleaned in between
holds that starts when you start doing
the and it ends when you end doing the
right sounds familiar and if that's the
case
so that even though you cleaned up the
dam in between the two but the dam that
was on the dalas before you cleaned it
was why was it because when you first it
was already considered a
doesn't happen until the end and if
that's the case
It's not it's and you ready for this
even
is
like said
is not and it's for that reason says
by the time you finish the second there
was no there anymore which means that
the dam was never
until you the second what is it then
it's for sure doesn't have the ability
to be. Okay. What did mean when he said
toilet, right? Rebi said that the dam
falls under the trum. And again, we're
saying that you cleaned it in between
the two. Why? Because
therefore it's
doesn't have the ability to be mash.
Okay. Didn't say. What do you mean when
he said he meant
what he was talking about was in real
time when it landed on the first simmon
he says oh now we got to wait around and
we have to see what happens
if the d is still going to be by the end
of the it's going to be because then
it's going to be
if it's not going to be because then
it's going to be
meaning the d landed right now on the
first uh on the dalas after you the
first point I don't care what happens
later right you don't have to Watch it.
Yeah, watch it. I don't care what
happens. Either way, this is
he says, "No, wait and see." Suspense.
If somebody comes quickly and he cleans
the watermelon, then no. Yeah. Yeah. No,
no, that's we have to we have to be.
Okay.
What did mean when he said that? Let's
bring in and let
says
and well says it in a little bit of a
wordy way meaning what's bring because
it sounds like is going to support does
really support he doesn't support
does not at all
it is right he just holds
says the
It's true that are not really saying the
same thing is not
like but
so that unless you finish the dam is not
considered considered
which is not the says that's all true
but at the same time
in the event that you went ahead and You
cleaned it, you wiped it off, then
they're going to be in the same
position.
Is going to say that if you wiped it in
between, it's not because even if you
didn't wipe it in between, it wouldn't
be because can't be going to say that if
you wiped it in between, it's not going
to be because it's not
doesn't have to be. But here's the
bottom line right now. Now, if you went
ahead and you wiped it, I can tell you
two reasons why it shouldn't be okay.
According to the
it's not okay cuz it's and according to
even if you
it's not going to be because
is never rebi who says it's going up
AGAINST TWO IDEAS. HE'S GOING UP against
the holds of which is in the and he's
going up against
that is but here's the point how
ends up being the
is one against two and one against two
you're going to lose. That's
interesting. Usually when you think of
one against two the other two are saying
the same thing and the one is saying
something else. This is a different type
of one against two right because really
and are saying anything but the same is
saying but
is saying is not it's even more than
that shim even if you weren't it
wouldn't be acc.
But at the end of the day when you war
there's two that hold that it shouldn't
be
those two because
truth is is this considered when you
talk about one against two if two people
have two completely different opinions
that's you would think this way two
people see the same the world the same
way and I see it differently okay so
obviously they must be right that two
people everybody's driving one way and
you're driving the other way, there's a
good chance you're the guy uh in the
wrong lane, not everybody else. Even
though that person will never see it
that way, but that's probably the way it
is. But that's how he got in that lane
in the first place. But whatever
psychoanalysis for another day. The
bottom line is this. The bottom line is
is that is this considered right? So we
have a rabbit bite on this. The rabbite
is from Margolus. We spoke it out in the
super majorities in talks about where
everybody struggles what does it mean
couldn't figure out what it means and he
had this whole uh sometimes
literally and this is one of those
examples we came up with a hope in what
it means that one bezdon is from the
other
this is the idea regardless
That's what's going on over here in this
price. Again, let's take it again from
the top.
Somebody shed and dam landed on the
dalas was says
hold.
What does mean now holds
but is not also hold.
So we have to wait and see if the second
simmon is going to be
or if you're not going to be before you
go ahead and you uh the second because
then and only then will it actually be
so doesn't matter if you're not it's
automatically it's only if you're not
and that's what means
said
what should we do
for sure it's not
this dam is not even a beverage. This is
one of the bloods that were not created
equally to this dam is not at all for
sure it's not so bottom line it's not
it's only speak with both
So the bottom line is that's why that's
why
said I think at the end of the day it's
not going to be this wasa's
understanding of what's going on over
here specifically what meant when he
said that's really the big as we'll see
said I don't like you know why because
the way is means let's sit around let's
just wait a few seconds if
then no if he's not. Yeah. Sounds like a
so says well if that's the case you have
to say
you have to say that himself was what
would be in the event that you went
ahead and you were and what was his
suffix his suffic was the same lumbus
like in
his
Then even if you
know
inash he's not sure whether
okay what do you mean according to meant
let's just wait see if he's doesn't
matter even if he gonna have a suffic
according to mean that we're dealing
with truma so truma
You're not let
you're not let her burn as a result
because it might be to
means that this trauma now is going to
be in the twilight zone. It's neither
here nor there. Nothing you can do about
it. But at the same time, okay,
what did he mean when he said
sets it up the way it set it up in
right
says true
as it relates to whether or not you can
burn it and are going to both agree that
you can't burn it. According to you
can't burn it because the dam was not at
all. It's not Tommy. You can't burn
Truma. That's not Tommy. And according
to not going to be able to burn it
because even though the dam is but this
might not be might be because
maybe
what's going on over here at the end of
the day
comes out who you could burn it
because again holds them.
So comes
and this is what he meant when he said
what did that line add says nothing
interesting it's a delight does that
mean not supposed to be I [snorts] don't
know but it's a delight
says it's a new of something Garcino
it's a gears it's a gear
comes as news to me but the bottom line
is
how to understand this right that are
eerily similar to each other right let's
go back let's learn now the way raash
it's like the same way just with one
cage again [snorts]
somebody and then squirted on
says
I don't care happens afterwards it's
going to be
no because I have a existential
in the world of
and therefore if you go ahead and right
the case is you were not to see if
you're going TO BE
I'M NOT SURE I don't know I have to wait
around says that's what usually means
have tell me what to do with this
pumpkin with this dalas I probably don't
know what to do with it [laughter]
because If
then
it was but
it was
said what we do we wait till he comes
we need to act right now so he said
I think that's what we need to do over
here
according to for sure you're not going
to burn it right for sure you're not
going to burn according to and That's
what he meant that both
because as much as not saying the same
thing but at the end of the day they're
both sharing in common this idea of
this is going to be a situation of now
could you eat it that's a different
story but for sure because as it relates
to that and for sure is saying the same
things again the whole between and again
it plays itself out mathematically a
little different but really The whole
was what it was just one thing. The
whole was whether or not holds
or whether was
and from there we have enough. What does
mean? Does mean wait and see whether or
either way
this is part three of the d. So part one
and part two both dealt with in the
world of which is
that really starts from the
last part of the daf is going to
continue to discuss laws of
but from a different angle. We'll see
it's going to loop in tardaf but it's
coming from a different angle and that
is the
so we actually saw
he made a cameo appearance [snorts] on
right after but it's something that we
are more familiar with from
the [snorts] basic concept of is that
when it comes to the laws of don't apply
so buser for example even if it was have
a isab.
So although we have tukim that talk
about
the idea of needing
food to become wet in order for it to be
that's all true in the world of when it
comes to it's what's known as
what's the
we'll see in the discussion
but for sure there's an underlying the
underlying is because when food is not
the way we view it is as if it's not.
comes from some lack of
is by definition and as a result it's
right similar to that if makes it not
for sure the fact that it's now
for sure it's the idea of
where this is going to tie into our
and
of being similar. They're both examples
of where you have something that's even
though it doesn't meet the requirements
of what food needs to go through and how
food needs to be prepped in order to be
says a can do it. That's not what the
says
says, oh the love of makes us work. It's
not what the says. So again, two
examples of where you find that we're
somehow overriding
That's the
between what we learned up until now and
what's going to be the latter part of
today's.
And if this sounds a little bit
familiar, we had this not so long ago.
So we know the was but sometimes it was
a part of the ma that was dry. So the
dry part of the carbon for our purposes
being that it's dry, it never came in
contact with the oil. It was never
going backwards now. But uh do we have
the laws of rishi or do we not have the
laws of what's the shashi
explains the shslakish
knows there's something called
wants to know is does just mean that
something that's not could become or
does it mean that it could become to the
point that it could actually transmit to
meaning if it touches something that
becomes a sheni
like we're going down that road or no
it's a that's very limited in its go the
whole concept we said [laughter] it
defies
so the question is what is the extent of
that was it said 100% regarding to said
whatever you know about you can apply
now
or maybe no or maybe no maybe it's only
true with regards to it itself becoming
but
to go already on that level that's not
something you're going to be able to do
that was his gracious and let's see it
inside
maybe there's no difference
I'll bring you the says
now this is one of the tim that we
mentioned in the introduction to the one
of the tips that says that needs to
become needs to come in contact with in
order to be
said, "What do you see from here?"
So you see it has to be through water in
order for it to be taught. So the did a
double take on what said what lessly
but you think didn't know that
knew the he knows that the conventional
way of becoming is through
wants to know that being that there is a
concept of you also know that how far do
we take what's saying it almost sounds
like telling how that there's something
The says
so like doesn't even understand
what
was to ask from that. That's the we know
there's another
wants to know how far goes. In other
words, the says that knows the idea of
stating that
says
knew what knew that knew
asked this question. He didn't mean to
say you're clearing. Don't you know it's
all about everyone knows everything.
Everyone knows the says everybody knows
there something called. Everybody
understood
was how far does work? Does it work only
to make itself a problem or does work so
far that even allows the convey to
staining that as a good
look at
it says
why does the have to tell me twice we
made a big deal about this. It says two
times
the concept of
it says
so why do I need to laugh said here's
the punch line
isn't it coming to be
on the top line
the punch line is the last word
says I hear you Shila very very nice
Shila. You want to know is like the real
thing is if went on the the food
could even go ahead and convey says I
think I have a right because the twice
tells me that food becomes when water
falls on. Why you tell to me twice? Tell
to me once. Why do you have to tell it
to me twice? I know what the answer is.
The answer is cuz the terra is coming to
tell me that there's something unique
about when water falls on it as opposed
to all the other ways that maybe
because it's only when water falls on it
that
as opposed to the other way such as over
there you're not going to be so wasn't
sure whether makes it to the point where
it could even convey to him or not. Rab
said me too. In fact, the Torah told me
twice that happens when falls on it. I
think that in of itself is going to be
right. But the says I don't think you
have any cuz I can tell you the reason
the said it a second time is for
something else.
The reason the twice told me the
needs in order for it to become is not
to teach me that that's the only time
it's as opposed to it's not going to be.
It's telling it to me twice to teach me
the twice. Why to tell me that twice?
want to tell me that the way Tomas mace
is conveyed is want to tell me the way
is conveyed is
mummas
I would have thought over there you need
you find a you find a
maze that if it's only the size of anash
it's not how big does the buster of the
maze have to be a which is bigger than
the
I would think maybe you don't need a
shar
but
I would have thought that maybe it
doesn't require that's why you need
both. So says is not a says I have an
extra isn't it coming to tell me
doesn't have the ability to convey to
note the reason told me twice is because
I have to know that the is true s if the
food comes in contact with a m if it
comes in contact with a shar for both
says
asked again has a
Right. That is the Shiloh that's going
on over here.
And said I have a
sh was very bothered with the shim
said
that in the event that somebody
and no dam came out the itself is the
that's the fact the dam doesn't even
have the ability to be masher but the
itself is now said
doesn't that
right? It sounds like even
know that
says in the that itself is means even
so says not just guessing. It's because
at the end of the day our is talking
about remember four is talking about
that is not possible. You're allowed to
eat that's right. So if you where's that
it's only transmitting it's the only
place it's
right it's it's not anything else and if
we say that means it has the ability to
transmit that means
of has the ability to convey to what's
the
is not in other words
is very similar to like we mentioned
earlier because it's a way of being
without actually coming in contact with
and what do you see you see it's even to
be able to convey how do you know that
because that's the only that's in the
cuz if it doesn't have the ability to
convey then what's in the gay that it's
that I can't eat it I'm allowed to eat
it it's I can't be mama with it but you
tell me it doesn't have THE ABILITY MEAN
IF I EAT IT I'M NOT GOING TO BECOME
tummy because it can't convey if
something touches it it WON'T BECOME
TUMMY IF THAT'S THE case then it's not a
gay anything so why are we even having
this conversation deterrent is it has
the ability to convey it's not
said
maybe when it means meaning it could be
it could be that's
for sure
what was
wants to know whether has ability to
convey to but he knows for sure it could
convey and therefore the Mishna is not a
because the Mishna might be talking
about true you have a from the even
that's not has the ability to convey to
but maybe only
asked another question this is from a
Mishna
that's mentioned in Shabas one of the
if somebody was harvesting his uh grapes
and he put it in his vats. This is one
of the phases of the wine producing
process. Shame says that the liquids
that come out
to be says it's not what's the over
there the sh is because we know the only
time is if it's if the bum is happy with
the fact that his food is becoming wet.
Now in that case the matas was with the
mashkin that's oozing out is actually
not mashkin that the owner wants should
ooze out. He'd rather contain the
mashkin. It's in like a wicker basket.
He's going to lose it. It's so he's not
happy about it. And that's why there's a
whether it's not. So sham says it was
said
this is one of came around to sh and
he'll said sh I agree with you. But the
bottom line is again we have another
example of
that's being
even though really it shouldn't have
been now you got to tell me what do you
mean it became wet. Yeah, but it was and
being that was it's only because of some
that we're being. So what's the why is
it and again in the way that it should
be able to convey
it's not so
it's also not a riot
knows you can be his midday you're going
to be able to do it. So again whe is the
dry part of the which is
could it also make or notish
I know but what's the crux of where it's
not
does he have the ability to be
in our
can make as another
said gas over there even though it
became wet but it was like it wasn't
really in the regular
you could be what's
answered both questions answericked
it
he wants so what we're about to see now
doesn't happen very often in chas right
throughout choice says something and
comes very shar here is going to stick
up for himself a little bit turns says
I said
I had a good
and you told me
also had a good from
and you told him it's
right according to
also it should be so according to what's
sh is whe you're telling for sure
there's veni so so then what's he
claring for sure there's a a rish veni
so even told the rabbi he said well we
know he's going to tell him I'm all he
told me you don't understand what I was
saying
wasn't clearing whether it's
what he's claring whether the is going
to be right if something becomes
you can't eat it you can't burn it right
you can't eat it you can't burn it his
wasn't coming his was burning it he
wanted to know whether and that was my
you don't understand me I know that
would be
My whole point was clearing mida right
again we went through the gum a little
too thoroughly that it's almost hard to
understand what's comeback was but again
was telling that's okay so what's what's
told
was there's one postcript to this says
the one thing you see from this whole
affformentioned discussion and that is
that the concept
is a right the whole institution of is
says the what's the inra to the idea of
say maybe you know from the following he
says
that comes in contact with Tommy so you
have all the oft
How do you know doesn't have the ability
to be the says
and we learn from there
only that you can pour out like water
dam that doesn't go on the has the
ability to
but that goes on is not so we know is
not so that buster that became sure
didn't become because it was
because can't be oh this guy should HAVE
BEEN MASH
MAYBE BECAME tummy through some of the
other mashkkins in the kitchen. Rashi
says like when they wash the meat, they
wash the water. Maybe that's how it
happened. But
the mashkin in the kitchen of the
not only does it itself not have the
ability to become
it can't be either. You'll tell me maybe
when [snorts]
can't be he meant the blood. mean he
means
he meant all the
so must be says
so you want to know how you know because
how else is it's not the it's not any of
the other so how's it going to become
but say it's not
I'll tell you it's like
was talking about something else but he
discussed a case where it was a that was
a
and when it was being brought to the
base of Mikto. So it was brought through
a and it got wet in the event that the
and the [snorts] buser is wet. So it
becomes so there is a way to be where
the came from outside the base isn't
that then going to be basement once you
brought it in
isn't no it's talking about where the
animal was wet the animal was wet that
mashk is not basement that mash has the
ability so from the fact that you see
that is not a in of itself
it says twice in the buster
And we learn from the other
that
says the
right forget about it being it's not
even there's no starting point even for
it to be what do you have to say
that makes it into
fact theor says that [laughter] not only
something it can even make something
that's not and convert it into an but
the point is the point is there's an
idea of
it's a and you want to know what the is
from the fact that
oh must be because you see even more you
see you can even make something that's
not
that's not so you're right from
the way explained it you see for Sure he
understood
was what was something that became
is it only possible or is there even
that even if it's not
so why should be different only reason
but I have examples of things
and they have
Maybe it's only
what's
this where you see the in fact this was
very wordy my just fears and even spells
out now that we established that
says
wasn't like this do we
We say only works to make it possible
for
maybe there's no difference. And the
says right markers to the says
what exactly
the is something we're gonna have to
wait.
Either way, this concludes not one, not
two, not three, but four do that relate
to.
So I think it's kadai
to speak out a little bit of raid. It's
been a few days and go back to raid that
we spoke about at the beginning of the
week and that is raid that relates not
to but raid that relates to.
Now truth is tomorrow's daf we're going
to return to our regular program. We're
going to have again a lot of hashita
here at the end of that's going to segue
us into
so again we're doing a deep dive right
back into the basic of so I don't know
if this raid is more related to 4 days
ago's daff or maybe more related to
what's coming in the future daffin but
regardless
in the beginning of the week we
discussed
the gamaro and lamides which is also
which is what would be if you have a
who
in a way where it would be apostle
would that knock out the would that
knock out the andra said take we
mentioned
had learn
says
whereas
and then
that he didn't even have to he went
ahead and he did
and the is do you say that being that
you got of it right already so at that
point I don't care that you messed up
the measure or no at the end of the day
I messed up a part of
And as a result, this is going to be a
problem. Tom said there's no way that's
the sh because once you get of it right
at that point for sure it's kosher. SO
HOW COULD YOU disqualify
a animal once the animal was already
gishle that it's kosher if it gets the
glad kosher symbol on at that point you
can't make a trace anymore. So says that
couldn't have been the sh. So what was
the shil? The shil was not
rather
we also mentioned that there's a big
ship
what is
asking a very good and we said the
and really understood that that rash
that
should be a problem was only
is
to say
but
speaking that's
never thought that there was a that that
should be an issue stating that brings
that says no rashi learned the even
that is that even though
which means that mida was Okay. But if
you decide to go and do the and you mess
up the
even
so we mention
who said
that we know when it comes to you don't
have to the whole
what is the of what's
is the that the sheer of how much of the
sim you have to shrive And anything
beyond is not even included in the sim
or is the that the she of how much you
have to do is the entire you just don't
need to the whole sim for the entire sim
to be because
I have a whole sim in other words is is
the twing in the or is the not even part
of the it might as well be the foot as
it relates to Theita if the shear of the
is and you don't need more than so that
last smear is not the part of the if the
shear of the koi just rub is when I shed
it's as if I did the whole thing
[laughter] that means when I SHED I'M
REALLY SHING everything I just didn't
need to physically shack everything in
order for it to be considered an as if I
treated everything
it's to me that understood that the way
and the way Rubik
works is is that really I need to shack
the entire simmon. The of says you have
to shack the entire sim. No teaches me
that if I shack the roy it's as if I
shacked the entire sim. But here's the
point. It's true if I shack the roy it's
as if I shacked the entire sim. But what
if I decided TO GO AHEAD AND CHECK THE
WELL THEN THE is happening not all day
the is happening all day and if I go
ahead and I mess up that look at the is
going to be puzzle meaning the is not
any less a part of the than the first
parts of the nas I don't physically have
to do it in order for it TO BE BUT IF I
DO PHYSICALLY DO IT then the didn't
happen I'll day the happened I'll my
messed it Mali if it was the last me if
it was the first mid the reason there
would be a between the last mid and the
first mid would be because I didn't have
to do the last the last not part of the
if the last is the
as the first mid is well then I HAVE TO
GET THAT PART RIGHT JUST LIKE I have to
get this PART RIGHT NOW IF I work with
so I did
then we consider it as if I did the last
part in the same way also picashas I got
everything I NEEDED TO GET BUT ONCE I
decide to go ahead and do the and I mess
it up. Turns out a part of the was
messed up. Part of the is messed up.
That in it of itself is going to be an
issue. That's the ink mahalak of the
balei as it relates to understanding
rashi.
I saw
in the sher
this is in ya simur. He asks a bomb
kasha
a kasha from the world of kachchin
the Mishna in
lid.
We saw this Mishna together in some of
the previous over here discusses that
was done by the
and we know that all that was done in
kipper had to be done by the kang. So
Mishna says that when the would do the
so he had to act fast. So what he do is
he would check
and then he would allow someone to
finish the
what does mean in it means he would
finish the last uh part of the he would
do the proverbial
and he would quickly run ahead and do
the now ordinarily the if he wanted to
sh the entire animal mitzvah we know
when it comes to
scotch he would check the whole thing by
himself but over here he couldn't check
the whole thing by himself He didn't
have that liberty because he needed to
be the one that was going to do the
kabala cuz all that had to be done by
it. So he would check and he would
quickly do the who would do the last it
would be done by somebody that wasn't a
says
that
we go
that when it comes to the as much as you
don't have to DO IT BUT IF YOU DO IT YOU
better get it right why is it okay for
someone that's not the kind to go and do
the mir TO DO THE MASTRA OF the onful
has to do all the and that's why he's
doing the up until the and that's why
he's DOING THE AND HE SHOULD ALSO have
to DO THE MIRA WHAT ARE YOU GOING to
tell me cuz YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUT ONCE
YOU DO IT IT'S A PROBLEM SO IF no one's
going to do but how could you allow to
go ahead and do it once the non is going
to go ahead and he's going to do it at
that point.
At that point, at that point, it turns
out that the mia was done not by a kong.
And if the mia was done not by a why is
that different than
why is that different than
where you find that even though you
don't have to do it, but based on the
basis love this once you do it, YOU
BETTER GET IT RIGHT. WELL, if a non went
and he did the mira on, why is that not
an issue? a bomb kasha a kushiatsuma
from dab then is there's another kasha
in the world of ken this kasha I saw in
the
in the right in the beginning of also
known as carbonus right the is called
carbonus it's
if somebody goes and he
And then he did the mirror.
It's going to be
because once you got rid of it, right?
So who cares that you did
at that point
in
what's going on over here? WHAT DO YOU
MEAN? YEAH, BUT IS A PROBLEM is a
problem. It's a take. So why is it so
that if a would go and he would do the
end of the with a
that would be because you got of it
right. It's true. If you got it right,
it's fine. But the me you the me that's
a good pun. THE MINUTE YOU DO THE AT
THAT POINT YOU BETTER GET THAT M RIGHT
BECAUSE IF YOU GET THAT m wrong well
then the basis it's on that then now you
have that's already a problem. So at
first glance at first glance we have two
is a problem that's a yet in the world
of if a non
doesn't sound like that's an issue
that's not a steer the law that states
that had to be done by the and if you do
the
doesn't sound like that would be a
problem at first glance at first glance
what's the at first glance
What's the now? It feels like the is
right. That's certainly what it feels
like. It's certainly what it feels like
and
is I had the a few days ago to meet
Solvikita,
my friend Pearl. he was staying at his
house and um he gave me the opportunity
to sit down and and to talk to him and a
little bit of learning as well. So I
asked him this kasha and he told me it's
posh he said it's posh because when you
it's considered when you it's considered
a so that's why
it's going to be a problem
it's not and that's why in the world of
where we'reing not
does it have to be done
it's not so I said one second
right so you always have to understand
the rem said that and is really one of
the and that's why so he said right away
that he just means
and that was pretty much the
conversation he told me to take a look
at and he said take a look at the
whole conversation took lessons 60
seconds. But the bottom line is I have
tell one thing but the boom the bottom
this was his mahal there has to be some
over here between
and between the which is going to be
more the I also had to discuss this with
one of the brisker shivas this week and
um over the phone and he told me that
he said
He said that doesn't bother him. He said
that
he said why? He said because what's the
says that the had to be done by the he
said it's it's just the
has to be to the has to do the he said
it's if the does of the and then
somebody's going to go ahead and he's
going to do the it's not considered that
the didn't do the meaning there's no den
that says that if a nonod does avoid
the avoid becomes possible Zarus right
there's no that says that if a nonod
does avoid the apostles it says that
that the congodle has to do the as long
as the congod did of it it's considered
that the congodle DID IT I SOMEONE else
did the last me who cares that doesn't
bother me the fact that a nonodle did
the mute
that doesn't stare the fact that doesn't
stare the fact that the ro of it was
done by the kong godle so that it's
still considered that Kongo did the and
as long as we can see it as if the kongo
did the in of itself is going to be
enough and it doesn't bother me that
also did it meaning let's say could do
it and a nonod could do it IT WOULD BE
MAYBE fine again after that divide the
but if it was done by the
he said
and um told me a very very long but I
just want to suggest Maybe one thing and
maybe it's posit at least again this is
clearly for conversational purposes only
and that is and that is that
why is it that if somebody has a
as it relates to let's talk about the
second
said that it's that if someone has
by
is it's not going to disqualify the
carbon. Why is it different than
which is a which according to as quoted
by the with the lumbus of the it's true
even on the gal I didn't have to do the
mute but if I messed it up it's a
problem so I didn't have to do the at
the very very end but if I had
let it disqualify
let it pass so why is it that if you do
is it's a problem I just asked the
question a little bit better right So
right this is uh to quote my son that's
the first question everybody asks when
they start learning kachum
[snorts] so why is it that if you have
you know
it's going to be a problem the liner
said
okay nobody have a why should a maka be
a problem when you're doing kchim also
said that after sitting and learning
kachch for two years you still don't
have a clutter exactly how to answer
that question but the bottom line is I
think he's right but the bottom line is
is that what what's what's
but the
in the brisk is it's based on the fact
that anything that you need to do
anything that's the carbon if you have a
the is going to pass the is that is
carbonus but you have to figure out a
way to get the into the carbon right how
do you bring how you your to the carbon
so if you're doing something that's the
carbon and you have a at that time that
somehow brings the into the carbon and
knocks out the carbon but here's the
point the
creates
is anything that's in the carpet and
really the to this is
talking about but you know most
instances it's the same and the BC the
BC over there says
You would think that if somebody does
and he does
in the world of pigleap
And this is the that you see from here
that anything that's if you have a pig
like the talking about that is that is
going to have the ability to go ahead
and the carving. So maybe you could say
it's posit that if somebody
and then he fears and he does the
is that that is considered and that's
why
is a problem
in the
level because like the was when you do
the you're doing
because not only of the in the entire
it's just that you didn't have to the
last in order for it to work. But once
you
right that's that's the way it works and
it's for that reason it's for that
reason in the event that you're
it's going to be a problem and if it's
considered a right I think it's posh I
mean it's not posh but there's mock to
say that it should be considered an
avoid as well cuz a is considered a what
you did in the midstra it should also be
considered did in a what it is that you
did in the midstra
stating that let me ask you a question
when you get up to the masra right now
do you have to check it do you have to
DO THE M YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO YOU COULD
STOP RIGHT THERE IF I DO IT IT'S A IF I
DO IT
IT'S BUT DID I HAVE TO DO IT NO I DIDN'T
HAVE TO do it if I didn't HAVE TO DO IT
you can't have
Because that's the rule. The rule is
NOT
which is also something I don't have to
do. when you're learning
the question is is the
yes and it could be it's even
the
that ALREADY IS THAT BUT THE QUESTION is
if that's the case if it's a and if it's
an so why if I did the mira
is I'm not going to ple the carbon THE
THERE IS CUZ I DIDN'T have to do that
and being that I didn't have to do that
being that I didn't have to do that. So
it's for that reason it's not it's not
IT'S
going to tell you THAT'S NOT IT'S
BUT THERE'S A TONIGHT IT HAS TO BE WHEN
I GET UP TO THIS point I don't have to
do the next move if I want to drop my
guns I could drop it take the sword put
it on the floor let's make peace I have
every right to do that I have every
right to do that means it's not my
active anything if it's not my active
out It's going to be okay. And I think I
have a brewer to this the beginning of
per the fourth per of
so
whether the of the was
if somebody would have the says but says
true for as well. If somebody would have
a pelis during any one of those raas it
would be a problem
once I do the first at that point if I
would have a pelis by one of the later
it would not disqualify the carbon why
because once I did the first right I
don't care what I did afterwards because
I don't have the ability to pass after I
ready made caution let me ask you a
question is there anyone in the world
who's going to tell you that the latter
zas of the msb
of the are not considered. Of course,
there's and there's a mitzvah
that you have to go ahead and you have
to do. There's no sh in the world that
THESE ARE REGULAR BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A
MAKLE. Why can't you have a mach's
PICKLE? THE TER IS NOT OF BECAUSE IT'S
NOT. So you see already that we could
spout the and we could say that even
though it's but it's only the I need to
do where I have the ability to be uh I
have the ability to have but the I don't
have to do doesn't have that ability
with the same way the I have to do the
here I can have
A THE LATER ARE ALSO now a little
different because once I do the I have
to do I'm done I already got my full you
know I still have to do theap
But again, that doesn't bother me. The
bottom line is you see from it doesn't
bother you. But here's the bottom line.
The bottom line is is that when I go
ahead and
it's considered a
it's considered an as well. Why then is
it if you have
it's not going to be an issue? It's
because over there the criteria in order
for this to be considered an for the to
disqualify is it has to be anap
that that I don't have to go ahead and
do it. It turns out it's not it's true
if I do it it's the same like the first
part of the which was but right now we
pause we freeze the screen and we say do
I have TO DO THIS MOVE? YEAH. YEAH.
YEAH. YEAH. But do I have to fear? I
DON'T HAVE TO FEAR. So if I don't have
to fear, let it be an
issue. You know when you learn you take
for granted
and right that's
right like why is that right
almost
what do you mean is a big deal according
to someone
right try being a doing don't right it's
not going to end well so these are not
things you're allowed to do these are
very active in
That's the whole
IS
less than
THE
but it could be the
mean
I don't have to do that and if I You
don't have to do that would make it
bottom line is I think this is a
fascinating concept and that is that
when you learn
is this big deal
one of the most longish in the first
part of isashi
with there's other mahal and rashi by
the way we may come back to this a lot
more to talk about as it relates to the
there's a lot there but it's interesting
that when you learn the this
Who are you? Nice to meet you. When you
learn the mas gets its own name. It's
called and the mir. You want to be a non
do it. He did.
I don't care. The whole
doesn't bother me. It's clear that
there's some distinction going on over
here. The is
the
but could be this is the could be the is
that when it comes to
what we care about is it or is it
because really that's the only thing I'm
zoning in on
anyways what I'm focusing on is not
if I do it the whole nine yards but I
don't have to do it and it could be that
I don't have to do it that makes it
So that EVEN IF I DO it and I do it the
wrong way, it could be it won't be an
issue.