Chulin 3

Today's do is gimml and we are six lines from the top of so yesterday we began the began with the opening linear asked would seem to suggest that Whoever is being from the word is yet the next words would seem to suggest that [snorts] whoever is being from the word is only allowed to. So which one is it? is or is only biddy evident said that turn to raashi and told it's so posh to you that means hence this great debate of how exactly we resolve the apparent contradiction of mash whether This person being this from can or only and after an and a half of what emerged was yes that in this context for sure means hence the first question of we saw that the gmorra brought a ter in the name of rabula said that the hak is coming to include even somebody that's tummy. And when the Mishna says it means somebody that's tummy is a isn't it obvious that somebody's tummy is a lack it's talking about therefore there's an for somebody to go and be and then eat this would be able again is talking about a but in this case the is not he's when it comes to being that by is not only it's so would not be able to even if he's using stating that if he it's going to be so the is coming to be we have a stereo only where it's then it's where it's then it's only going to be. Rabbi Barula said that once you understand that this Mishna is talking about uh again not exclusively a tame but inclusively also a so let me show you how you have to read the rest of the or even is referring to Even if they're and even if they're and even if it's not is they would not be allowed to. The reason is because we're concerned that they may be like the explained that three of the five that govern the laws of are things that unless you're watching you would never know after the fact whether they were observed or whether they were not observed. gifts for that reason in all instances would not be allowed to. Then the mish concludes and says all these people that what's that referring to said it's referring to uh we although he's not allowed to but at the same time to the extent that he and people saw that everything was okay it's in that instance that [snorts] it is going to be cautious But as mentioned yesterday, Rabula's understanding of the Mishna is only one of six understandings of the Mishna. In other words, the first of the is something that was so debated by the that would emerge was six to roots into that and ultimately six different ways to learn of the Mishna. Again, Rabbul was the first and today's we are going to learn the next five. And then after we learn all six and a little bit of a recap, we'll see the is going to do some and minations and try to understand why this didn't hold like that and that didn't hold like this. Six different and six different that we're going to have to juggle. It's a fun daff. And without further ado, six lines from the top of took the second stab at this question. And he said Tommy, let me tell you the way you're supposed to understand the Mishna. When the Mishna says, and again is coming to be something. You want to know what it's coming to be? It's coming to be not the way understand it, but rather it's coming to be marba. So let's hit the pause button for one second. Now if you know you know that the primary source where kazal really got into the whole in of the koutim is in the beginning of school. So this is the first time we're mentioning kouti here in the daf but the kouti is going to be malava us through the next couple of daffin specifically tomorrow's daf also specifically the raid of today's daf but for now all we need to know about the kouti is that the kouti was a group of people koutim that had arrived to Israel during the time of The first basikdash. Shortly after that sash and were taken into galas. They came from a place called couta. Hence they were known as the koutim. Shortly after they arrived they were megay. And there was a big debate amongst the whether their gayas was a sincere gayas or whether it was an insincere gayas. Were they gay emis or were they gay arayas? To the extent that they were gay emis they had to be treated like gidden. to the extent that they were gay, they had to be treated like [snorts] Yehudim. Another thing that we need to know right now as it relates to the Kim is that regardless of whether the were Gary MS or whether they were Gary Aras, from a mig perspective, the Coutin kept certain aspects of the Tyra, but they also very blatantly did not keep certain aspects of the Tyra. If you want to simplify it on a very high level, the kim believed in the not so much in the we'll see in the next few there were certain aspects of the mess that they actually did observe but the were that kept the y and not that was a big debate did they keep all the in the no some yes some not bottom line is says that when the mishna says what it's coming to be is [snorts] even a ki even a ki is a latter Which means by the way two number one must be a must be of the opinion that to the extent that holds the and we're going to learn very much in the first is not and that's learned out from any person that is bound by the laws of is someone that's any person that's not bound by the laws in a is somebody that's not allowed. So if Abaya says that Hako was coming to be marbakouti, the first thing he must be of the opinion is is that the koutim were gay. Additionally, Abayo also must have held that theim were people that can be relied on and trusted that they're going to adhere to the laws of because if they don't adhere to the laws of well in that instance even if they're g we know they had their own thing going and they certainly could not always be trusted. So number one when he says is taking a position and that is that additionally what is saying is is that they could be trusted when it comes to the laws of but the bottom line is as it relates to the is coming to be something and the essentially says but when is it that is means that's only if there's aid that's watching. So as long as there's a yid watching then he can check but let's say was not watching even if he was right of fame even if he's coming and going he's not let if however went ahead and when there was not a watching him the whole time even if he was then there still you can cut off a nice and you can give it to if the eats. So then you'd be allowed to eat from the if you didn't eat it then you would not be allowed to eat it. So again the only time is if he's watching him and he's making sure that he does everything properly. If the Israel is not even if he's in this is not enough then the would not be able to what happens if he's and there wasn't this option and that is you cut off a piece of meat and you give him to eat it if he eats it then we could trust him it's okay and if not now not what do you see from here you see that the kouti himself is somebody that was careful when it came to the law of like we mentioned abai obviously is of the opinion that the ki was somebody that could be trusted when it comes to as a result by him eating it. That's a that the must have been okay which realize that means it was it means that he adhered to the five these are things you wouldn't expect the to be sensitive to but the bottom line is held that the were careful when it came to the laws of now if the koutim were careful about the laws of so why does the israel have to be immediab is because as much as the kouti cared about the laws He didn't care about being another. Isn't that a passing in the learned it based on which means don't put a in front of somebody that's not able to see it [snorts] to mean that a person is not let it be somebody that of kazal is something that the were not careful of and it's for that reason You can't trust the ki that he's [snorts] not going to be. So again, it's so tricky whenever you learn the you trust the for himself he's going to adhere to the laws of because that's something that he does. But you can't trust the if he gives it to you because I don't trust him that he is someone that's sensitive to our understanding of he buys into our but not our so what's the so watch him that's a good but let's say you didn't watch him well but yeah it give him something to eat if he goes ahead and eats it so then you know it must be okay because for himself he's that he's not going to violate the laws of therefore you can go ahead and eat it. If he doesn't need it, then you can't trust him. So that's not something that he's going to be sensitive to. But again, says who or is it only if there's not then it's really why would it be if there's no in the event that he ate a from it? That's when it's going to be okay. Now a like went and was he continued and he said with the exception of what the saying is right you can give the it doesn't matter he's not allowed to and the reason is like we saw in yesterday's because not going to know how to keep the and three of those five like spoke out you're not going to have any way of determining and knowing whether he uh did it or didn't do it. It's for that reason it's not going to be okay. When the concluded and the Mishna said, what's that referring to? So again this is a discussion that mirrors this the discussion that the had in yesterday's but what is referring to is it referring to and again that's certainly what it sounds like when you learn the it doesn't pass to say the word and the reason is because the last thing that was mentioned was the and if you want to tell me something else about the then you shouldn't be saying but rather Just from a grammatical perspective, what it should say is and it doesn't say, it says if that's the case, it's not that it's referring back to the Ella says the Okay, so maybe it's referring to what was in the and that's the now if it's referring back to the it doesn't work either. You know why? You said that sounds like it works. It doesn't sound like it works. and there were people watching again if it's referring to the that's part of the then it's even so you can't tell me that is referring to the who are mentioned explicitly in the Mishna why because it shouldn't say it should say and you can't even tell me it's referring to the ki who's mentioned implicitly in the Mishna because is just not true. If that's when it's if there was nobody watching but if someone's watching it's even okay and says which we know in English means I hear now it's interesting if you look in the there's a how to come out or how to what you're supposed to take away from the says kasha meaning what was abaya thinking the and that's the way we're going to learn says that what Abaya held was that the is referring to the what was the problem with saying that the problem was it shouldn't say the it should say on that the gar says I hear in other words no [snorts] that's not a good enough reason for to go ahead and tweak and change his understanding of the Mishna it's a good don't get me wrong but at the same time all it is is aasha in other words according to is coming to be and the is when when does watching him again referring to the is that even if was not watching there are times that when is that to the extent that you give him a little bit of the boser and he eats from it then being that the kim themselves were trustworthy When it cames to the laws of for themselves therefore if he eats from it you'd be allowed to eat from it with the exception of they are never allowed to and the reason and others were watching the is going to be in other words according to according to one of the benefits that emerges is that the last part of the Mishna is a little bit moreish than it was according to according to the was referring back to the which when we read the when anybody reads the Mishna it's not what it sounds like it's referring to according to it's referring to thear doesn't like it because it should say the in Not but for that the in other words I hear it's not it's not perfect but at the end of the day we can make it work this mentioned that on the bottom of says that [snorts] even according to that that learned is referring to the it's referring to the person that was that wasing but is also referring to the says it based on a later in the But says that the is referring to the and also to the point is being that it's also referring to the is a better and therefore and therefore we use the word and not the word according to it's not referring back to what we mentioned the beginning of the Mishna it's only referring to the if that's the case is imperfect and the gar says as so heard what said and he said that when the says then it's referring to when there was literally and when it says it's referring to when isn't even if he was but if he's not it's not going to be okay in other words that being is in it of itself not enough to make it as if we know for sure that This ki is being watched. I mean, if a ki sees the yid watching him, he's going to do everything the right way. But if he's only no familiar with a term called mercus, right? Apparently there's no merc over here in itself is not okay. He has to be literally how could you say and this is at the very end of somebody had a store and in his store he sold wine. This is in the and he has a guy that works for him. If he leaves the as long as the is allowed to drink from the wine, you don't have to be concerned that the what do you see from here that the guy is merc when it comes to the has to be is not enough. You see when it comes to it's not the way it is. But the says, does it say maniac? What does it say? Bishop doesn't say it doesn't say it sounds like it's not something you could do is referring to is not okay. In fact, that Mishna is even mash that way. But the says the was from a different this is also in the sugis that deal with does not have to sit and watch the wine the entire time as long as he's that in of itself is going to be okay. And here it's for sure even you don't have to do that it's okay to be a how can you tell me is not enough that is enough because of this from the fact that proved from the end of that being is in of itself okay so said that you can't learn the Mishna the way Abaya learned the Mishna rather we have to learn a little bit differently [snorts] now as we're going to see is going to learn the Mishna differently than Abaya but the only difference is going to be this whereas according to it's not for if there's only according to it's going to be for the as long as but terms of the basic gist of how Ra is going to be Mafar to Mishna, he's actually going to be Mafar to Mishna exactly like so as much as this is going to be the third terrace of the gar from perspective it's literally ter with that tweak which by the way is not even so neg but it's not even so of my way you learn the word coming to me what's it When is that true? If this is this is the whole of that as long as the would come and he saw that then you can't just go ahead and eat it. What can you do? You can cut a nicely and give it to him. If the goes ahead and eats it, then it's okay for you to eat it. It's not going to be okay. This is all true even for but as relates to even the evidence not okay because we're concerned that he might not get that the last line of the mission that said what's that referring to is referring to that was the last thing mentioned in the if that's the case why does it say which It's referring back to the How could you tell me that it's only oh and by the way the cash is even better because according to you don't even have to be even if you're only it's going to be so you going to learn the and the gives the same exact ter which is I hear in the vernacular saying goodash The bottom line is identical to me and sometimes when or even if even if was not watching or if wasn't even if the himself ends up eating that's going to be okay and they're We're going with what does that mean? It's referring to it says it should have said that's where the I hear comes in either way. Fourth said, let me tell you what's going on in this Mishna. You want to know what is coming to be? It's coming to be even. Now the Indian of the Israel is also if you know you know a that's primarily featured in the beginning of school. And so we're going to see a lot more about the in the next few days and a lot more about ms in the next few days. Now we gave the brief introduction super brief introduction to who the kin are. What's a mumer? A m is somebody that is that he violates principles in the so you could be a m and that could be any one of the 613 mitzvah or somebody could be a there's certain ms where even if they could be treated in like a for example if someone's a or if someone's a at two can sometimes take on a life of its own. Additionally, there are people that are mak they're want to make angry and then there are people that are no they wish to serve Hashem but and their gets the better of them put in this world for the struggle and some people win some people lose. [snorts] The bottom line is Raashi said that when the Mishna said you want to know what's being what's being okay [snorts] says even says the word is a very open-ended word like we just said what exactly do we mean so the says even if the person is a mis what's going on he's a m for However, he's only a meaning he's a m to the extent that [snorts] he's going to profit. He's going to benefit somewhat off it. It's not like he's a m to eat because he wants to anger is really based on something said you could check the knife for him, give it to him. And you'll be allowed to eat from his meaning if you go and you check the and you give it to the oven and you want to eat from it's going to be okay. The reason is because this person is to be but it's only the he's not just going to recklessly go and not do a proper if he has something to benefit he will. Now an example of benefiting would be if he has to check the sake. He's lazy and he's not interested in going and taking the time to check the sake. So that's like an example of something that you would have to make sure that he's not tested with. but said ra as long as you at this point I don't see why he wouldn't do a proper it's only being that it's only now speaks if you'd be then it wouldn't be okay because you could be at the end of the day when you're not looking he'll do for a second or he'll do a little when you're not noticing and as a result he's going to end up purposely creating an issue but being that he's only a you have to be concerned that he's going to do that. I hear as long as you check off that box, you address that, it's going to be fine. But let's say you then you can't let him let's say then you have an you can go check the after if you look at the you see that it looks good and then you'd be allowed to eat from the if not you would not be allowed to eat from the says how do you make sense of the first line of the Mishna is coming to include the heck only only if you check the and you gave it to him. Let's say you didn't check the but only if you check it after the fact. So if you checked it as long as you after the fact that is the continue and said with the exception is not okay because we're afraid maybe the wasn't done good says the last that we tried making sense of according to how's it going to What's that referring to? Isn't it going back to we just finished mentioning the and if that's the case then the appropriate grammar would not be but rather it should say must be it's referring back to the beginning of the Mishna. What's the beginning of the Mishna? What was it? It was now says if the case is talking about where he was before the went ahead and checked it and what's the why do you need and even then it's only works for the to the extent that you check the he is allowed to go the case must be talking about where you were in and what what are we saying that even if you weren't As long as people were watching, it's going to be good. But the gar says, "Why should it be good if people are watching?" What are you worried about? You worried that the might not be says the is you should just be is not here. Who cares that people are watching? Again, we're not worried that he's batching up in one of the because he has no benefit of doing that. The only time we worry he's going to do something wrong is if he stands to gain. The only thing we could think of him standing to gain is he's lazy and he's not interested in checking the socket. Well, you watching him do the doesn't in any way, shape or form prove to you that he checked the so if that's the case, how do you understand the again? If it's going back shouldn't say the word referring to the beginning of the Mishna. If it's referring to where you check the then is even if you're not watching so it can't be that you didn't check the who cares the only that matters is is right now could you check the could you not check the how exactly could help us and here too answers the same way it answered and that is which again in English means I hear and what's the says that is going to learn the way Reb learned and that is that the is referring to the and the cotton and again like we spoke out from tus really even according to is referring to the just according to it's also referring to what was from and that is the it's only referring to if that's the case it shouldn't have said it should have said and say it's a it's a good but all it is is a meaning it's not That's not a checkmate. It's an I here. Ravino says the Gar is the fifth Mahalak in the Mishna. And as we'll see, by the way, Ravven is also going to be the [laughter] sixth Mahalak in the Mishna. So the Gumar is going to bring out two versions of Rava that are going to be the last two mahalim and how to understand the Mishna. If you know Ravina said, let me tell you, you're supposed to read the Mishna. When it says you know what is coming to be marb it's coming to be even now you need a word to be marble if the he's the professional is not included well then who is included so ra explains meaning that if somebody's a means he's proficient ient in the laws of even if he is not he's not as far as we know a that is in the that he's constantly doing this you know he has the certificate hanging on his wall but he never got dirty right that as long as he's a even if he's not a that in of itself would be okay when is that true that that's not a That's that's if we know that he knows. But if we don't know for sure that he knows, meaning he's a then it's okay. But if we don't know that he's a little let's say he went ahead and he shed it anyways. So he didn't have the he didn't have the certificate. He went ahead and he did well in you could always give him after the fact if he knows right now meaning even though you didn't know it beforehand that's why he wasn't supposed to beforehand but you could always do it after the fact. So if it turns out that he knows it then you're allowed to eat and if not then you would not be allowed to eat. So according to Ravina version 1.0 No is the answer is coming to be if he got the already and we know that he knows then if he didn't get the he's not let only if he took the if however he and heard him after the fact well then it's going to be okay what's the ham continues and says that this is all good for someone that's but when it comes to a person like that doesn't matter who what when and where even the evidence is not going to be okay and the reason is again says according to how do you read the of the says I think we get the gist of it by now. That's the last thing that was mentioned in the rather what it should say is it's referring to someone that was not a right. person that was not a that person was not a but that person who was not let maybe that's what the Mishna means that as long as people were watching him it's going to be okay but the says for him to be okay you don't need to find people that saw him do the in of itself would be okay says it's true that would be okay live with. There was nobody here to or he wasn't here for us to be able to beim. He got on the next plane. So, he's not in town anymore. And he left us here with a lot of meat and we're trying to figure out can we eat it or not? As long as there were people that watched them and they said that we saw him do this and everything was okay, well then it's going to be fine. Really for the option to work, you don't need a a in of itself would be fine. just give him a but he's not here. You can't say as long as people say we saw and he did it mish exactly the way it's supposed to be that in of itself is going to that in of itself is going to be okay. So Ravino's first shot is the fifth shot in the garra. And by the way, one of the things that Rava was able to accomplish that Abay and Raashi were not able to accomplish. You have to go back to yesterday's to find someone who was successful at this and that is to explain the last line of the mission of you don't have to say it's referring only to the by the way would be true here as well. according to is referring to the it's going to be okay. But you don't have to say that it's only referring to the hence the word the is a better word. It's actually referring to everything mentioned. It's mentioned to what's it's referring to what's from and that is someone that's not a additionally it's also it's also including in it the Raven's second which is the sixth say let me tell you how you're supposed to learn the when the says what the means to say any person that's a is a lad. So what does it mean? A mik somebody that shacks. Someone that's a this is what he does. 9 to5 this is what he does. So someone's a lack and someone that's a is a lad even if he's not a and the reason is because if he's a then we assume that he's also a but when is that true? It's only if he's meaning two or three times. Why two or three could be whether is established when something happens twice or whether is something that hap is established when something happens three times. But the bottom line is if he shacked it two or three times and he didn't. So it seems like this is like one of the big concerns we have. A person can know from today till tomorrow. But to the extent that he never really uh dealt with the blood, you don't know if he's going to have the ability to be able to to handle it, right? It's not meant for the faint of heart. It's not meant for everybody. So if we see that he did this two or three times and by the way, what would happen if he was? What's the end of the world? Well, number one, Shia, right? You have to do this really fast. So if he passes out and then they revive him and a half hour later he finishes the he violated Shia right. So just for starters this is so nuanced this process that if he blacks out even for a second this can throw the whole thing off. So okay when is this true? That's if he shacked in front of us two or three times. So we know for sure he's a but let's say he's not meaning by the but we didn't see him two or three times to know for sure that he has this down pack because we're concerned that again he might pass out. He said I'm telling you I was conscious through and through. I didn't pine I would know if I passed out is going to be so what's in the first line of the is referring to that person can you don't have to know he's a he because if he's a he's probably a as well you could be if however as far as we know he's not if as far as we know he's not then [snorts] he's not allowed to by the way it sounds like even if he's but if we don't know that he's with concern that he might if he says however it's going to be the continued and said it's not going to be okay as relates to the last line of what's referring back Is it referring to that was the last thing mentioned in the if that's the case why does it say maybe it's referring to someone that's not a right to that he's not a we said he's not he's so it's going to be okay right it can't be talking about where he's because if he's talking about where he was not You don't need as long as he's a burly that in of itself is going to be okay. Just ask him. And if he says I didn't pass out, we'll we'll take him at his word. He's talking about where he wasn't here. He wasn't here. Therefore, you can ask him. There is an option. Even if you can't ask him, meaning the Mishna said that if you ask him, it's going to be fine. Well, what happens if he's not here to ask him? that too that in it of itself would be okay. That concludes and really that concludes the six that the gives in terms of understanding the Mishna which again began with reconciling the two opening verses of the Mishna. But as we saw what evolved was really a completely different understanding of not just the opening line of the Mishna but even the specifically the so we have to do the now not at the end of the now before we see the that the Garra is going to make which is the very very last leg of this. So again the bear said there seems to be an obvious contradiction sounds like whoever is being from sounds like that person's only which one is so the first in the wasab said the word is coming to me even someone that's okay well it depends if If it's only going to be when the Mishna said that means that being that we're concerned we're concerned that they going to violate the it's for that reason even if that and even if >> [snorts] >> They're always going to be excluded. when the Misha concluded and said it's referring to the but you want to know why we use the word because it's referring back to the beginning of the Mishn well it's really it's referring to everything in the Mishna and that is that even in that instance is going to be caution the second was ab said that is coming to be not a button is coming to be marba Abai is of the opinion that the Gary he was also of the opinion that the even though their messiah was not okay but at the same time they actually observe for themselves the laws of what the mission is saying is allowed to as long as is watching him. So as long as is watching him is it's going to be okay. If was not watching him even if the was being well then it's not fine but it could be fine. How so? To the extent that he eats a little bit of it. It's going to be okay. And the reason is because we're not concerned that the doesn't we know he knows and to the extent that the is going to eat from it he even observes the law. just are concerned that the doesn't care about our understanding of is not something that the subscribes to. It's for that reason you can trust him if you see that what he's doing is okay or or if he eats from it. So if you're watching that's going to be fine. If you're not watching it's not okay. But that if he eats from it that's going to be fine. By the way, something you see is that even though it's okay if he goes ahead and he eats from it, but you can't be you can't say go ahead and then I'm going to give you a little something afterwards and as long as you're going to eat from it, it's going to be fine. It's only something you're allowed to work with. [snorts] But the bottom line is that's what the Mishna means when it says when the Mishna continued and said according to it has to be referring to and the reason is the reason is because to the extent that it's referring back to the beginning of the Mishna and that is the well it's not you would allow be allowed to and the Gar didn't love that because the Garra said if it's referring to then why does it say said which means I hear it's not so but the bottom line is that's the only learned almost exactly the way learned the only difference is whereas according to is only if the is literally but if that falls into the part of the according to if the isnas that's included in had which in his mind was a big from the we see in of is the equivalent thereof of to literally being was the fourth said that when the Mishna says and it's coming to be marba not to like not like it's coming to be specifically what the mission is saying is to before you give it to the He's a lad because he's not a he's not looking bad to mess things up. If he has a reason to not do it right, then he will not do it right to be is the only reason we can come up with. So as long as you check the then would be allowed to in the event that you weren't well you could always be after the fact that would also be fine. By the way, here too, you see, you can't let the on that you're going to be afterwards. You would have to be it first in order for it to be. But the bottom line is that's the of when the concluded and the Mishna said that according to like according to it has to be referring back to the and the reason is because it's if it's referring to the who cares the only that matters is was the checked or was it not checked if you check the he can go ahead and do it and you could always check it after the fact. But without checking the means nothing and if you check the then that's all that matters. So what does have to do with anything? must be that that line of Mishna is referring to which is not because why did and you have to say the same thing that the meaning no I hear but at the end of the day that that emerged according to emerged according to as well the fifth and really the six were presented by Ravina very similar albeit with one different in the fifth ra when the mission says what it means is a you would have thought that in order to be able to it's not enough you know you have to have operated in the field right we saw there's right and if someone is a he's allowed to go ahead and he's allowed but only if he's a what does mean in the event that you didn't him before the as long as he him after the that's going to be okay And again here too you see you can't say and I'll you afterwards and we'll determine whether or not we're gonna eat it. Only time you could sh is if you gave him the if you didn't give him the is not let but after that in and of itself is going to that in of itself is going to be okay said that according to ra when the mishna fears and says that line of the does not have to be referring exclusively to the but it could be going back to the person that You didn't before where it's okay if you do the right you after the fact where he's not here and they say everything look good to us then that's going to be okay and this is a ra has like where you don't have to say on the no because the although it's referring to the but it's referring to the first part of the mission as well the second shot was almost identical But it's not coming to but it's you would have thought that maybe you have to be ash if you're a even if you didn't take the we assume that you probably got it right but what if uh as far as we know you never did it two or three times in front of us to know for sure that you don't pass out then if you say borly it's going to be okay if you're not around That in and of itself is going to be okay. So again, that's the longer recap. The shorter recap and now we're diving right in. The shorter recap is according to is coming to be according to is coming to be according to coming to be and according to it's coming to be either another the last line of the according to it's referring to everything in And also the tummy according to both is referring to everything and according to those it's only referring to the which was a little bit of even said bothers it's like a little bit a little bit notish either way. So now we're going to have to try to figure out why each one of these didn't learn like the other and [snorts] Ravina and didn't learn like we should be able to get this all out. They don't want to learn like Raashi. Why not? What was the deficiency in Abay and Ravashi's? We went through this many times to make this uh flow very smoothly because at the end of the day it was a big the so it's why and would not have learned like it's also why the didn't want to learn like you know why says like this if you remember the takash in yesterday's daf according to why Does the Mishna have to tell me the Tommy? I know that already from the either the over there was and here we're mentioning or the over here was mentioned over there like this according to the says that over there was the and over I'm sorry that this is the if you hold that the only way to explain And why the Mishna would have repeated itself is because and there it's mentioned. It's so obvious why didn't want to buy that. How could you tell me that this is the place to mention the it's for sure in that okay? But according to the that maybe you're right the over here and this is only being mentioned because being that we mention so we're also mentioning you're telling me that you're only mentioning even those may be held did not have to be mentioned and you know why because really it's so obvious that Tommy is a lad what did the say what's the deal with and well may be held and if they so then it's why according to them it doesn't make sense that our is referring to again to tell me. I'm not buying that. It's been mentioned. Oh, it's mentioned what it's only. As a result, it's why they didn't want to learn like [snorts] says it's also obvious, I think, why the maybe would have held like According to the hel that is coming to be it's coming to be someone that is not a well if that's the case meaning that's what's going on in the if someone's a even if as far as we know he's not a for sure he's allowed because most people usually know and if that's the case it's going to be okay and according to the that says that what's going on is we know he's we just don't know if he's a and what's the concern the concern is maybe that he maybe and that's why we don't want to let him do but if he tells me says so that would be the reason why maybe nobody wanted to learn like Ravina so in other says like this why Rav and didn't want to learn like a raashi that's because of the why nobody wanted to learn like because why do you have that the main places in my because you wanted to tell me and you mentioned me is not says no over there so rabb to me if someone's a we assume he's a and if someone's a we assume he's a so you don't need to be right. That's uh that's good. So what then do we need to figure out? What we need to figure out is and why did they hold of their own and why didn't one not learn like the other? Again, we know why nobody learned like Rabbi Barula. We know why nobody learned like Rava's. So three of the we knocked out. We also know why Ra and Ra didn't want to learn like a rava and raashi. But why did abay not learn like or like raashi? Why did not learn like a raashi? Why raashi not learn like a ra? That's what we didn't figure out so far. Right says didn't learn like this looking. Why did not learn like cuz he had a learn like why not? because obviously he added terret to right the only between and is so ab must added terret to the what was his terret his ter is his terret is that is a good shir you know when it's a good shir it's a good when you're sitting in a wine store you're not emerged or submerged in the wine right now and as a result the fact that I'm not in the wine and I know you're that in of itself is going to be an as opposed to as opposed to if you're and your mom is holding and by the way with the blink of an eye literally you can go ahead and you can mess up the just being it happens too fast I'll go boom I'll take care of it in a second before he ever comes back in so if he's standing in front of me okay then I have a merc but of itself is not going to be okay so I understand why didn't he told you why he didn't learn and I could hear why didn't want to learn like raashayu I can also tell you why Rabashi went to learn like either or why because and were both predicated on a very big it was the of andashi maybe is of the opinion that areas right so if saying that would explain why Raashi didn't want to learn like I understand also why abaya didn't look like raashi we're almost at the shot was based on the fact that who said holds that way. By the way, it's not just who said if Ra held that way, it's good chance, right? The analytics tell you high probability a doesn't hold that way because they always see things differently. Says the el this was all a build up. Why did Rava not learn like Ravashi? And by the way, Raashi's was all based on a Raa. So if it was all based on a Raa, why would he have not learned like him? So the every single variable you can come up with, I could I could explain. Whoever didn't learn like Rabbah, I understand. Whoever didn't learn like anyone raim I totally get I understand why Rabbul and Ravina who both had these controversial wouldn't have learned like Raashi because they weren't interested in getting involved in the in the I understand why Ra didn't know like telegraphed why he didn't like he asked the I even can understand why went to learn because maybe he held his between is enough because It takes time to go ahead and mess up the wine as long as a as opposed if I'm holding the animal in my hand and in one [laughter] second I can go ahead and I simply being that in and of itself would not be enough of a I could understand says the why didn't or because it's predicated on a being a y if he's a [ __ ] then this whole idea of him is then on arrival so maybe is of the opinion that the koutin were gay aras they weren't even y I understand Why ab like raashi is octamara because raashi is based on maybe didn't like but why did raba not learn like raashi if raashi is goofa based on raba that would have been a satisfactory and says guess what he could have would have should have learned like so why didn't he all he told was he said you're learning the hak is coming to I hear what you're saying and it it's and it's very possible that Hak is coming to be but if it's coming to be then the way you have to read the Mishna is even if he's only when he wasn't even based on the now it just so happens that as far as this being I don't even know if that's John Mishna. I think I could learn the is actually coming to me. But really the whole point of Raa was he was talking to and by the way in real we learned the gar that's exactly what happened in the what did tella said I don't like your I don't like where you're putting said a different that is if you want actions and you want to go with your mahal over here in the well then that's the only way you're going to be able to make it work but in terms of la in terms of lisa says the r really did not have to learn that way. Ra could have very much learned the way Ravi learned. He was only saying it. This concludes really a twoblot uh series of trying to understand and seeing in real time the grace of how the went about explaining a Mishna, what the Mishna meant when it said haka, what's that coming to be? How do you reconcile the apparent contradiction of additionally the last line of the what exactly is the going back on all in all these different I know we said hashtag raid we're going to save the raid for tomorrowe tomorrow we're going to really get into uh a very very fascinating topic something that we touched on and even promised that we were going to get into on but uh we'll save that already for daftala Mar.