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Today's
and we are at the sixth wide line on
today's being learned.
Today's also being learned
benimas.
So at the very end of yesterday's DAFF,
the Gmorra pivoted to a technical
conversation which was in very stark
contrast to the overwhelming majority of
yesterday's DAFF which was anything but
technical. [snorts] It was historical.
It was mikrad. It was raid dig. It was
lumish. It something that is discussed
at length from the as in rashi
and the ra all the way through the
contemporary as we're going to seem in
today's raid. But the latter part of the
d got involved in a very technical
conversation which if you're a farmer or
at the very least a [ __ ] I think made
more sense. It discussed [snorts]
different piggyos notches inside the
sakin when it would render the n orita
and when it would actually be okay.
Either way, the gimmor is going to take
the queue and we're going to have now
another discussion as it relates to
knives and notches and how they
intersect with the laws of that, by the
way, is going to be the first part of
today's do. The second part of today's d
we're going to start getting into an
even more technical if you could believe
it discussion with regards to and that
is one of the five
specifically the one known as
which is going to require background in
the anatomy and physiology of animals
which is way above my pay grade stating
that a lot of gimar a lot of
technicalities
we will hashem do what we do and then
when it comes to raid this is easy we're
going to go back to yesterday's and talk
a lot about the between
but first we have a lot of ground to
cover
how do you know that the has to check
the knife to make sure that there are no
notches
from a
this is in olive peralid and the context
over there is checking a knife to Make
sure the is okay.
Always means you're looking it between
the eyes. So you see with something that
I looked at and then and only then is it
going to be okay.
I don't know why did need a to tell me
that you have to do a
being that in the event that there would
be a nevita
was done it would render the animal to a
trafer. So it's obvious by you should
have to do a bika meaning why you doing
aika to make sure the is going to be a
proper so I need a pik to know that you
have to do a a proper right it's as if
you would have a pik somewhere in the
that says that before you take your
aster make sure you the astric to see if
it's kasher if an has to be kosher I
have to do aika so obviously you need to
do aika why do I need a extra infar
says you're right to teach the
I don't need a
where was learning from that was that
you need
it was given to a third party an
objective person that's what you learn
from that
can't be you know why said
that the whole of giving it to is just a
way of being but it sounds like it's not
actually something that You have to do
now if you're going to tell me that the
is coming to teach me not because that's
but rather the fact that
so how could it be only
sounds like that's the from says the
you're right you have to say [snorts]
that really
and the fact that you have to show it to
that's only like said
the
this is
at the end of the day
after further review number one it's not
it's
and number two even though he brought a
all it is is an there is an interesting
sideby conversation in the which we're
not going to get into but it's something
that always comes up and
we've referenced so many times over
years and that is said.
It sounds like would be considered. So
we know that whatever it says in is
always referred to as
it only is it somewhere in between
sounds like it has maybe the
significance of either way. [snorts] So
just in a very structured way introduced
the concept of the gumar now is going to
have a lengthy discussion how exactly
the sak was checked meaning how exactly
is this done says the garit
they would look in the sun and that's
how they would do the which was in of
course they would put the knife in the
water and depending on the wave that it
created in the water that would
determine whether it had aim didn't have
a pima refacious just he would put it on
his tongue. That's the way he would
check it.
He would put a a here along the knife
and if the here would get stuck in it
that meant there was some sort of notch
there which was another local in they
would say.
What are you checking? You're checking
to see if when it's going to go through
the bus is it gonna create a nek or it's
not going to create a neck. So what
you're checking it in water, you're
checking it on your own tongue, you're
checking it with a cut through the meat
that you're going to ultimately be
cutting. And therefore, you have to use
uh real live flesh as the object of the
in order to know exactly what this is.
I'm rapa said
the has to be done on the bistro, which
Rashi says means the buser of the
which means on the fingernail.
Additionally, you have to be in three
different places. You have to be on the
blade side and then on the two sides of
the blade. There too, you would have to
be as well. Second on the says,
so again, we're not farmers, but it
seems that the mirrors just based on its
consistency [snorts]
theor mirrors tora. So you have to be to
make sure there's going to be no issue
with the there's going to be no issue
with the that's why you do it in those
ways. Additionally saying another you
have to do because again all three of
these sides are going to make contact
with the animal. So therefore you have
to check it in all three of these ways.
You know
told us in your name you say in the name
of
exactly what our papa said that the way
you do the is number one number two for
the additionally has to be under
it's true
but as relates to I never said some say
that told
It's true. I said all of that. However,
you got it a little bit wrong cuz you
said that. I said it in the name of
that part of it is not true. I never
said it in the name ofashi.
Ravina and Ra was sitting in front of
Raashi. Could you read this line the
same way after the ray in the beginning?
I know I can't. So Ravina and Ra are
both sitting in the presence of Raashi
and somebody bored a in front of Raashi
to do
Raashi turned not to Ra. It's
interesting he turned to his other
right-hand man and he told him I want
you to do a okay. What did he do?
told him
doing
who was my he said the same thing
said
I hold that
is something that you have to do however
as it relates to
that already something that you don't
have to do which by the way in one of
the versions that was raashi remember Ra
told I heard in your name that you have
to do
I heard you say in the name of Ra. So
there were twoashi's responses. One
response was I never said the other
response was I said I just didn't say in
the name of so this is going like that
first list in the previous that there's
an idea for the but you don't know have
to why and the says [clears throat]
something very because
saying the name
in the event somebody made a sack in
white hat and he went ahead he did a
share it's going to be I warn you
worried that maybe before the ves
severed. Maybe they got burnt. They were
singed and as a result really this is
not a the reason is based on two things
because the sharpness of the is going to
se the before the is going to make it
hot.
It could what about the right are maybe
going to make it hot. He said because
the amount of heat that's on the is very
little but the amount of heat that are
on the sides that would be greater. Now
what was the terret? It's because
so as you slit the it spreads out and
the sides never actually touch it. Says
the said
that's why I hold you don't have to
check
because that's never going to make
contact. It's only that's going to make
contact. It's based on
more laws related
to notches.
There are three areas in where you find
the concept of a
so we know there's a
when it comes to the bones of the carbon
any in the bone of the carbon would
already be a problem
there's a big if it's pal or if it's
right either way it goes to the k but
whether the k has to be if it has a
carbon there's a big that's why the
sugis of balim are actually in the
It's the next
we're going to get to item. But the
point is there's a that if the has
specifically
it would be considered. If you take a
look at Rashi and they both say is but
for whatever reason it's not our nowish
picked on the and finally
really any animal any
of itself would be a problem. Now if you
mention
why do you also have to mention
again speaks out that there's a as it
relates to the laws of regarding and
that's why it's singled out
independently [clears throat]
said this is really what we need that
there's another area and that is if
there's
going to be an issue
saidish
he's not he didn't say why he only
mentioned three but he doesn't hold of
the laws of right by the way it's who's
the one who started the
he's the one that said
it's nice it's cute but at the end of
the day also holds that is going to be a
So why didn't he say it? So the says
were learning. He was learning
there's three of says as relates to all
these what is the
it's the same share as the of the so
another area where there was
the of the
if it's missing a little part of the
misb that in itself could be an issue by
the way asks if is also a game So why
did we say
there's a fourth? What about the but
either way [snorts] says
okay we're getting there albe it very
slowly. What is the He's telling me the
ship of all the affforementioned is like
the What is the
pirate? It's if there's enough that if
your nail would go across it, it would
get stuck. That's what the would
ask you.
I have a says a different
sounds like it's a different says the
one that says is talking about it's
referring to the sid the lime that
covered the
that we said that's
talking about the actual stones of the
so the stones of
the
and as it relates to these two things
they're actually not one and the same.
It's not the identical share either way.
So this last
discussed uh high level with regards to
said and then we said a it's the
and what's the really two we have the as
it relates to the coating which is the
and we have the as it relates to the
one is
and the other one is either aim
with the first kumar that we don't we
had like five different opinions in
terms of how the badika sakin was I mean
it sounds like it's not to putting it in
water putting it under the sun doesn't
it sound like really it should be ti
whatever just emerged from the sun again
that discuss is this another or is this
all somehow consistent with what the
previous was [snorts]
So we mentioned that who opened up
today's
meant not just that you have to do
because that's but that when you buy
you have to give it to the said that if
there's a butcher who does not show his
we put him in
that's nothing
we make him lose his job
for and not just that put out to say
that all his flesh is straight and ple
even though it sounds like there's right
one is a little more harsh than the
other
in the event that we did afterwards and
we found he's doing the right thing he's
just violating the principle of showing
it to
why
it's because we know one of the people
that was put in sha was a person that's
throughout so being that this person
he's not really violating the laws of
what he's violating is the that he's not
giving the
so therefore you get the
properly you're going to put if however
you find out afterwards that his was bad
well that's easy yeah this is clearly
not the right work for you additionally
because let's be honest it might be a
tra
you know said that if his was found to
not be
a
if his boss if the wasn't you know we
Rashi says we take his and we shmear it
with
because if we're going to just make it
into a okay so at least his dogs are
going to be wellfed
right
what we do is we make it disgusting we
do something to it that will cause even
to be from it and as a result he's going
to be punished so again it's
rather hell that at the very least will
allow from Whereas Rava says, "I
disagree. I don't even think it can have
enough a story, a postcript who there
was a butcher who didn't check his
meaning he didn't show it to
was the prevailing rabbi. He was the and
he was the one that was inspecting the
knives of all the butchers. And this one
didn't give his knife to soak
and he removed him from his job
and he said that his boss is right did
everything but put the on top of the
buser.
>> [snorts]
>> In the meantime, actually came to visit.
He told them I knew Ma. He says, you
know, they I feel a little bit bad about
what I did. You know why? Cuz I found
out that he has a he has a whole family
that he's supporting. My I caused this
guy to lose his parnosa because he
wasn't being me properly. Like in a way,
I feel bad. Maybe there's some sort of
soar says but
went he was
and he saw it was good
and he said oh based on that it's going
to be what's the methodology the
methodology is because in as much as
there is an idea that if [snorts]
there's a a that doesn't show the
that
but we already said that that's only
true if we found out that there was
something wrong with the well apparently
never did
because Raashi did and he found that the
knife was good. So Raashi sort of took
the position that
went a little overboard and as a result
he said you know what we could be mur
because at the end of the day at the end
of the day the only thing this person
did was is he violated giving the proper
to so put him in that's fine but at the
same time the will eventually be and
he's going to have a partn so we can
maintain his reputation he'll be able to
support his children but the mazucha
turned
How do you have a right to do that?
How do you have a right to go ahead and
now say it's told he told me to look
into it? I don't know what you want from
me. Says I'm not making this up. Said
look into it a little bit. What did he
mean? HE THEN TRIED TO BE TRIED to come
up with an so he was able to come up
with an but the bottom is what you see
from here is that
speaks this out was of the opinion that
really any butcher that's
even if we find out afterwards that was
good still it's gi
meaning when we started the said
because everybody agreed agrees that if
the sake ends up being good, it's only
everybody agrees. It's not good. He has
to find another job
clearly didn't hold that way cuz had not
checked the and the only thing that he
knew for a fact this person was
violating was he wasn't giving him the
proper
and he went ahead he put him in that's
fine but in addition was said really in
the of the was a third at the end of the
day was overriting it and he says no
there's a ple that's pit that you have
to do something he violated your covet
But he doesn't have to lose his job
because in the fact he didn't show it to
the the only time it would be warranted
for him to lose his job is in the event
that he actually was using a bad sock
says
[snorts]
detached tooth
or a detached fingernail.
So that's a long nail and a sharp tooth.
But the bottom line is if you uh want to
do with that that's something you could
do has like Malikica vibes right says
we learned
what
so what's the
right
[laughter] as relates to the in chain
said you could check with the said you
can with that's not
you could say very simply
said in the singular the Mishna said
maybe there's a difference you want to
do maybe one you can have more control
over that's going to be okay two is
already going to be an issue
like as relates to then you can't say
that why because said in the singular
and the didn't say it said also in the
singular so it's not going to work but
there too you can answer Rauna
said
as opposed to that's attached is not
going to be okay. By the way, once you
say, you could probably answer Shane
that way also. But Shane, you didn't
have to come on to that. He said Shane,
he said it's from that it's to say this
distinction and that is there's a
difference between whether it's or
whether it's moving along.
If somebody goes ahead and he shacks
with a cut was one of the things that
the previous men had mentioned is in the
small group of exceptions of things
you're not allowed with right
few things one of them was the mager
that's the harvest sickle stating that's
up to Mishna what would be if somebody
shs with a magic
say he was but he wasn't maybe so we saw
this writing yesterday not every time
did you have to
for example, you could be without being
but either way somebody
was only
going to be
say it's going to be kasha. Why is it
going to be kasher? The reason is
because the way the magle cuts are is
shaped is all the notches are on a
diagonal which causes all the sharp
points that the notches created to be
facing downwards. So if you're
you're not going to make any contact
with those edges. It's when you're maybe
that's when you're going to so
nothing happened stating that
maybe was always in this case as well.
What would be if somebody went the butch
went and he was like he smoothed out all
these edges.
Everybody holds like a sake that's for
sure going to be okay eating even though
you see we're sensitive to the magal
cutser still mager right you take it out
of your farming toolkit doesn't matter
at the end of the day there are words
it's going to be okay even if it has the
edges as long as you bashi doesn't like
that but does agree if you smooth out
the edges even though it's a cutser
still it's going to be fine
said that
it's
all they said was it's not gonna have
meaning they didn't mean that you could
even eat it
I'm worried about that it's not an assh
right from the said
it didn't Hey [snorts]
would say you're allowed to eat it means
it's what does means it's it's not
kosher really mean it's not
would mean it's not next
according to you
this
I don't hear so much because
will say I think it's all one and the
same and as a result I don't think that
there's a to be had. So again if you
want to say it great and said it who are
we to argue but to say
I hear that really it could have said
but if right it should have said
is somewhere in between right it's
somewhere in between and if anything
sounds a little bit more like or sounds
a little more like a little less like
moving along without coming up for
breath. No shah. So as it relates to the
next so now we're really getting into
the process of if you think about it up
until now it was the mi
and it was when can you do? What type of
animals require? What type of knives can
[snorts] one use for? Right? Can you
pull out your chainsaw? Right? All these
different that we've been discussing up
until this point. Now we're up to the
next part of the story of and that is
the actual. So we know there are five
that govern. The first one that's going
to be discussed right now is what's
known as hagma. So what exactly [snorts]
is hagma? Soita had to be done on the ka
and the vash [snorts] stating that not
the entire ka and not the entire vet
will caut. So you can get the k and the
vet right and you can actually get
everything else RIGHT AS WELL. BUT IF
it's in the wrong place, the location
location
within the and the vet is not where it's
supposed to be, that in and of itself
could
end up being an issue. If somebody the
animal on the
again, you got everything right. The
problem was it was in the wrong of the
that's going to be an issue.
There's another part and that is the law
of GMA states that it's not even enough
that if you did the part of the in the
right place could be it's not even
enough if you did of the in the right
place you may actually have to get the
entire in the right place in order for
it to be okay as we'll see it's a major
so again really at its core defines the
in the that
had to take place. Now, naturally, the
muck is going to have a
high point and a low point, right? How
high up the kashet can one go or not go?
And how low on the k and the vashet can
one go and not go. Naturally speaking,
it's going to be, you know, how high and
how low, right? That goes without
saying. That's what the definition of
hagr is going to be. Our Mishna, as
we're going to see, is only going to
discuss the high watermark. As far as
the low watermark, it's not discussed.
It's a discussion amongst the
Talmud. Why is it that we only discuss
the high part and not the low part? As a
matter of fact, it's not going to be
discussed in this Mishna. It's not going
to be discussed in a later Mishna
either. It's going to be discussed a
little in the but it's not going to be
discussed in the actual Mishna. And it
seems like it was so pushet to the
exactly what that was that it was
something that didn't even have to be
said. So again, we're going to introduce
the laws of a but it's going to be done
in a not such systematic way. You would
have thought I'm going to tell you the
low part and the high part
as we're about to see that's really not
the way it's going to be. Now we need a
tiny bit of background as it relates to
the anatomy and physiology of the animal
in order to get this right. We're going
to be focusing right now on the ka which
is also an interesting point. We don't
even mention the hagrrama of the vashik.
It's fascinating right? So we're
discussing only the hagama of the kana
and only the high part. How high is
considered okay and how high would
already be considered too high. So what
we need to know is as follows. The ka
was surrounded by tissue and cartilage
just the physical nature of the ka was
surrounded. Now these cartilage that
surrounded the kana is what the gimar
refers to as tab. The reason they're
referred to as tabois because they were
rings. Okay. The tabos that went all
along the trachea the ka were tab that
didn't cover the entire ka important in
terms of understanding the gumar. So it
covered most of it as we'll see but it
didn't cover it 100%. So if you want to
visualize it visualize it like a
horseshoe. A horseshoe is a ring that
almost closes but doesn't close 100%. On
the top of the ka there was one tabass
that's referred to as the tabas the
grace of tabass and that tabass was
number one thicker than the other tabos.
[snorts]
Additionally it also covered the entire
k on top of the tabas if you have a
picture this is very helpful. There was
what the gumar is going to refer to as
the ka. The gumar is going to refer to
this as the helmet. He's going to refer
to it as the hat. And this hat was
shaped as being slanty on all sides and
it slopes upwards until it gets to the
top which is the
it has this little uh spitz like a hash
this ka that's how it's going to end up
being on the top. The bottom line is I
think this is uh already baltov in terms
of trying to fake it. the [laughter]
if you have a presentation you can watch
I highly recommend that but the re
bottom line is this is just a little bit
of an understanding of exactly how this
went and without any further
introductions of the hillish
if somebody from within the or really
what it means is
if somebody inside the
ideas are referring to that big tabas
that goes around the entire ka that's on
the top of the tracheo the
and you left over a little bit meaning
you didn't color out of the lines you
didn't cut outside of the what was on
top of the we mentioned there was a ka
so you didn't go into the ka you didn't
actually go into the hat so you left
over
so there's one little piece of the that
still covers the entire circumference of
the right you still have that intact
because there's a little bit of
leftover. You didn't cut through the
entire thing. You left a little bit of
of it
is going to be kasha. Clearly implying
by the way that if somebody would cut
through it even a little bit now you
went a little bit too high. So you have
to leave a tiny bit of the top of the
in order for the to be a that's hag
defines the muck of the again how high
how low. We said not talking about how
low not even talking about the vet.
We're just talking about how high on the
ka you want to know. You got to leave
over a little bit of the
but if you don't leave over a little bit
of it's not going to be okay. And by the
way this is the if you would do it there
but you would just cut a little bit that
means part of the went so you don't have
a a little bit ala
why because a tiny bit went there. I
don't care a tiny bit 98% of it was
UNDERNEATH IT. THERE WAS ONE LITTLE NICK
THAT I GOT AND that's a problem because
says according to the first sheet in the
Mishna that the entire
business the entire has to be done in
the right place.
He said
he said that no in the event that you
got most of it in the right place even
if you ended up getting a little bit on
top meaning you were only Misha
alba.
Why is it only alpine ruba? because some
of the ka that severed
was severed in that area. It doesn't
bother me because as long as of what had
to happen was in the right place that in
of itself is going to be okay. In other
words, at first glance, the is between
the
and
is what would be if somebody got of the
in a way where he conformed with but
there was a meat of it that he did not
get in the right place. Would that be
okay or would that not be okay?
according to the of the Mishna if
but if it's not even if it's not going
to be okay
that itself is going to be okay another
thing that you see in the Mishna and
that is what's the high watermark what's
the highest your on the highest is the
that's the highest but once you cut
through the you already went too high
the Mishna was where I got in the right
place I only got a little bit above
that. Is that an issue? Is that not an
issue? Say yes, it's an issue says as
long as it was done in the right place.
That in it of itself is going to be okay
both said right. So whenever says
something you pause whenever says
something you pause. If it's
you do a whole double take. So
is like even though he's a thought
is actually like says
when he said his
he said that it's going to be okay if
you
because as we mentioned in The
introduction to this Mishna covers the
entire
but let's say the would have been done
in one of the other in that instance it
wouldn't be okay. So what's being so
let's just touch the words what he's
saying is that even holds that the if
it's on this cartilage in the event that
it's but if it's one of the lower that
not the entire in that instance it's not
going to be okay. Now what's to do with
anything like why would you think
holds it is good it's not good like why
is this even a discussion even
was only the have to do with the
is if I got in the right place do we say
do we not say and you know what the high
watermark is it's the top of the now the
low part I don't never discuss the low
part and what
who did tell you in the would have made
you think that maybe one of the other is
going to be okay and
like why do you even have to say this
I'm going to tell you why cuz what's the
what's the essence of
when it comes to if what he's saying is
rub you could think that if you would
check on one of those tabos that only
cover of the ka that would be a proper
moita cuz even though you didn't she in
an area that technically is the entire
ka cuz it's just something that's
encircling
most of it but if
the of so maybe that in of itself would
be okay that's why felt the necessity to
speak this out that even that said what
he only meant it that in the event that
you did it IN A MIM AT
and only if it was in that mock
even if you colored out of the lines as
it relates to that last little piece but
if the was done in an area THAT ONLY
COVERS RUBIK THAT ALREADY IS GOING TO BE
DIFFERENCE that's why Raban felt that
they had to speak this
so Raban essentially just said that
there would have been aud
holds that if you one of the other tabos
being that they cover ruba you say ruba
kakula that in itself would be okay
rammool needed to make it very clear
that's not the case but the says is that
in fact true meaning what's going to
emerge now is that that
had that would hold based on that if you
one of the other it's going to be okay
is actually maybe a reality
you ready the punch lines the first
If somebody one of these other
cartilages, one of these other rings,
even though it doesn't encircle the
entire
being that it's most of it
is going to be now, we're going to
finish the BRCA, but really that's the
extends the concept of
to these other as well. But again, let's
finish the BRA first.
M is going to be possible. So what does
this mean? In the event that most of the
was done in the right place but only
part of the was done in the wrong place
that in of itself would be okay. Rashi
says if that's what mug means then you
have to say this is not talking. It's
the rabbon of our
clearly holds
and then finally there's even a third
opinion mentioned over here in this
Antiggnos said as it relates to the
it's
going to in the course of the have a
little bit of a discussion what exactly
means but for now let's stay focused and
that is both started off they said I
want you to know two things number one
is like the other thing I want you to
know is that even though the to think
that just like holds that if is in the
right place the little bit that's in the
wrong place is fine based on but as it
relates to in a mim him that encircles
only rub of the you're not going to say
that's the two members that ram say
number one is like now that you know
it's I need to clarify that only said is
as it relates to where the was done in
the but if you're going to one of the
other then already it's not going to be
okay by the way I just want to be clear
according to
raven in rahuda If the person would she
in between the tabos that would also be
fine because the area that's in between
the tabo is the itself and if you check
on the it's fine right you shouldn't
walk away from this thinking rash speaks
this out that according to
you have to you don't have to there's a
low water mark too he's just coming
that it only covers you wouldn't have
thought it isn't that
but the bottom line is said it's up
Now we'll get to the next part of
but now that in itself
you have to say really said two things
are not denying that
said that works Even for the tabas that
only covers of the if that's the case
what did mean when they said
that we don't like that I like
if you colored out of the lines but in
terms of if you did on that already is
not going to be okay but the says not
ram said right it didn't feel right if
you look back at the
right that's not what he says
You gota do a little edit
where came from
as he very famously did.
So he went and he ate.
What does this mean? So Rashi says this
is talking about he ate from an animal
where there was a that was done on one
of the tabos not the one of the other
only covered most of it [snorts]
which was something that in the world of
it violated the principle of because
they hold
in that case. So is going and he's being
like
said that even though it's only with
regards to
but as
they were already not so the says I'm
relay so the
turn to ask don't you come from Raven so
if you're from Raven how could you uh go
ahead and go not like Raven right you're
coming from a place where the is to
follow this memory of that is not like
it's how you're going ahead and you're
being by the way this is another where
is getting caught up in right
refer back to the three in the beginning
of the but the bottom line is so they
told him don't you come from honestly he
told him not he said one second this
that ram quote unquote said that in
as relates to the did not tell me who's
about mera. So they told him
more popularly known as Rav. So the says
told him
he has from everybody you know he's a
big m he was ai right
but it comes with an invoice and that is
sometimes he knows prices and things
that are not 100%
he's not a bar when it comes to this. So
the say word trickled back to
got wind of this by this.
So somebody pedal back this but he got
angry
says what I get my from everybody
and you know whoa was he was in his if
he had a suffic who the person is in
that he was saying over he would mention
both I'll give you an example I'm
there three
when it comes to the but the bottom line
is
but what do you see from me that he was
so modactic I come from
he was but he was very disappointed
about what happened but the asks aasha
so again comes and he sits down he's
going to eat a suda and what's the suda
that he eats the suda that he eats is
it's mug raishm
looking at what are you doing? How could
you EVEN RA SAYS AH this this whole
rabbit comes from he's not about okay
but the wherever he's coming from but
the bottom line is but they said okay I
I hear but the says I still don't
understand because you see from the
reaction of the that the minigan bubble
was to follow this now you want to tell
me it was ara that was based on a flawed
ms
from
but said there's something called
Makagu, right? There's something called
a minig. So the gam says at the end OF
THE DAY YOU CAME from a place where the
minig was to be and by the way let's
explain this a drop better it sounds a
little bit from the gum that zer when he
was in maybe or when he was in b he
maybe didn't eat mug but now he came
down ah he felt like a free man I'm not
to this anymore right but the says
of
the mid was not to eat and the assuming
himself probably didn't eat that now
he's not it's not true he is it's the
one of the most famous that somebody
goes from a go this way to going that
way so the is
so he came from a place when they were
should have been
said you know when that was said that
This is talking about when somebody goes
above or
even
being
right there was a more authoritative
they were able to pass.
So over there it's already going to be
different a different
could be even when a person goes from
you still have to keep and maintain the
of the
but
was not planning
but that's only true if the person plans
on coming back was not planning on
coming back and being was not planning
on coming back so as it relates to
this was something that was not neg by
the way this gamura feels like a good
sushel to
that's in it goes terra you keep one day
two days it is a good right this is very
much the
when we learn we did a whole raid bite
on this junk but either way one last
piece
told
that came from
said
that said in the name of that
G is actually kasha. So what's the
kasha? The kasha is that the assumed for
pasha that in bl the mig was that people
did not eat the mug of ram this mug of
rab right people were mm in that the
question was comes ter he's a free man
he's allowed to eat it like what
happened over here like what so the gave
different toen but the gumar says told I
don't even think that's true cuz I heard
that rau came from and they said that
zer himself said nman that McGre is cher
it sounds like was mas was mas that
should undermine this whole discussion
should have said or the should have
defended no he came from a place where
mis was actually treated as being okay
told
this is an expression that you find
different rivers flow different ways
meaning was not all created equally
there were places in bubble where they
were a little bit more uh there were
places in bubble they were a little bit
more makeel we're going to stop here
will pick this up tomorrow we're still
middle of the technicalities. Tomorrow's
DAFF will start off with a little bit of
a a recap which will segue into the next
part. some heavy lumbus in tomorrow's
daf as well as we are going to see but
as it relates to raid stopping this a
little bit abruptly and really going
back to the
portion of yesterday's d and that is the
epic
between and let's just set this [snorts]
up a little bit we mention that there
areim in par this is in pericute
tucked away that describe telling the
when you're going to come to Israel
you're going to want to eat bas
stating that you have to also make sure
you don't eat you can eat a also
recognize it's only true for as it
relates to that already you're going to
have to bring to the mikd and if you do
that
that's basically What tells the now it
would seem to suggest that before the
yidden came direct there was something
in this par that was really off limits
and there was a major
what that was raish said I understand
reading the simplest translation of
these words and these that what the is
saying is that until the camel if
somebody wanted to eat meat just because
he wanted a piece of meat it would not
have been okay but was during the 40
years that the was when they came
that it became
said that's untenable for sure
when they were in the midbar. Okay.
What's the
is that when they win the midw they
wanted you can go hunting but here
now already you have to conform with the
laws of say according to
there was an is 40 years in the which
became when they came to according to
there was a head of during the 40 years
that and when they came now all of a
sudden became we also saw very much in
yesterday's daf that the gum said that
in as much as Rabish holds there was an
isba but it was only with regards to
baser an animal that was able to be
brought on but the in the for example
the we mentioned in the post game
yesterday any animal that wasn't
actually put on the misb that you were
allowed to eat
also qualified
that as much as hold that you allowed
that was only true as it relates to but
catch
learn
etc. So over there there was going to be
it was just as it relates to
as it relates to there there was that
you allowed to eat. Another thing we
mentioned very much yesterday was that
this has ramifications how to learn the
parish of we know there's a parish of
and then there's a parish of this is 101
etc. And I think a 100 out of 100 times
a learns the parish of and he looks at
[laughter] it's a parish stating that
and
really all the say that in the world of
short to say that that parish of is
actually not unique to
there is an Indian maybe oft
but the parish is
because even by there was an iso and IT
COULD BE THAT EXTENDED ITSELF. up to
that if somebody would even
say I prefer this and he says that all
the
and therefore
here
[laughter]
the goes and he's like that it's not
even dealing with
but rather what it's dealing with is
what it's dealing with is an is
and if a person would go ahead and do
that he would be we mentioned yesterday
in the end of where learns like
but even in world the learn
is talking about because even who held
that theight of it is that if you want
to eat it has to be because the only
time you're allowed to
is in the way this is some of the we
spoke about yesterday we mentioned from
the what would be the beer
period and that it's the says
that's what the says and that is a
reason maybe not only
but not even and if this is an
you understand why it's something that
would carry with it this harsh
punishment of again there's so much to
be on this
but again a very very short recap of
some of the raid that we spoke about
yesterday but as it relates to today I
think it's to have a little bit of fun
as it relates to raid specifically from
the base medish of
the
mashma in paras
This is emperic.
He brings
that also we've spoken about so many
times over the years and it's said over
in the name of the it's
in the beginning of
but the said that we know that the only
time a person was allowed to go into the
even then it was only
it was the holiest person on the holiest
it said the goen that it's not true it's
a misnomer Because in reality if wanted
to enter the
he was able to enter it any day of the
year
as long as he followed this that was
mandatory to be done he was able to go
whenever it is that he wanted to go
we've mentioned that in the back of
was written on was written on in the
back of he has a little kress that he
wrote his son that died prematurely he
named named him son's name was Mo and he
brought seven rias from to this of his
which really is
and that is that if
for those 40 years wanted to enter the
on a regular Tuesday he could as long as
he followed the
has a whole on THIS AND HE SAYS WHAT'S
the pmius of it like what would be the
reason why is it that for all the
generations the was only able to go one
day a year but when the were in the then
he can go whenever he wanted says we
know from the
the first
that was for what it was
in fact everything other than the pretty
much was for different permutations and
v variables in the world of mikades
it's talking to say that ordinarily
was not something that was so wasn't so
as a result one day a year.
But when the were 40 years in the
midbar, we know is that there was an
isata
that was anytime a person wanted a state
dinner, you know what he had to do? HE
HAD TO BRING A CARBON AND THE BOS THAT
HE WAS EATING WAS ALWAYS SO HE SAYS IT'S
[laughter]
which means there was more
and there was more being that you had
more you needed more opportunities TO
GET YOU COULDN'T RELY on doing it once a
year that's why when the were 40 years
in the midbar there was a sus
for
to enter more often By him doing that
there would be more opportunities for
the to be able to get that's the first
second this is
this is a that we mentioned recently a
few times the last
and we had it here in the beginning of
as well
if you're going to bring a carbon you
should bring what does mean but says why
does the say this only by the it doesn't
say by any other car but make sure you
bring it
by the we say make sure you bring says
cuz what is means you should do it
wholeheartedly when you bring a carbon
you shouldn't be bringing it you should
be doing it 100% the way you want to in
fact if you take a look at Evan Ezra
right in the beginning of so the say
and It's really based on
that famous but the point is that when
we talk about bringing a carbon what it
means is you want 100% to bring the
carbon he says anytime a person brought
a carbon he was probably bringing a bar
why else bringing the carbon he said but
in the 40 years of midbar the were not
let a tifa which means if I want a steak
dinner there's only one way I could do
it I have to bring a carbon says it's
that maybe when he's bringing this
carbon he's Not really bringing it
because he wants to. HE'S BRINGING A
BINUS. WHAT'S THE I HAVE NO CHOICE. BUT
REALLY, I JUST WANT TO ORDER A STEAK TO
GO. I WANT A PASTRAMI ON A RIDE. THAT'S
REALLY ALL I WANT WITH A PICKLE AND
MUSTARD. I'M NOT INTERESTED RIGHT NOW IN
BRINGING a carbon.
That's why by the
I know what you might be thinking. It's
a singlan, right? We mentioned that dick
in the par of yesterday because the
schlumman served a dual purpose 40 years
in the midbar. It was the way you had a
STEAK DINNER. SO YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
THAT maybe you're not going to have the
PROPER
that's why the says
another
says
there were three things that were very
difficult for
pointed to these three things and then
he understood Those
were the three things. How do you know
it?
and him because it says
there are those that say
because the says
why is it that this
says
learned that it was to do [snorts] and
that had to show him how to
from which
the by the way is
it's from the carbon why was taught by
the carbon
it was always to have to know how to do
why is the
who
SO WE WAS IN ONLY THAT'S WHY it's talked
when we're dealing with
we Aren't you eating meat every day?
Yeah. Aren't you eating the Slav? Yeah,
we've been eating the Slav, but uh we've
been shooting it out of the sky. That's
how we've been doing it. Old school. But
uh in terms of We've never done a Now
you're telling me there's something
called Willita to me in the the carbon
the the carbon of all the carbonas. Oh,
that's a
like said shiny shiny. That's why I grab
the saw the in right here on this P. He
says exactly where and he actually makes
a a second level because who's the first
and the
he makes
and
he has a slightly different staying in
the world.
[clears throat] Either way, so far we
did three, right? First one was in par
with regards to the why was able to
enter whenever he wanted to enter. The
second one was parad has to say
as it relates to the carbon and the
third one was the one that we just
mentioned this is in world why the that
was how to do the is something that was
mentioned by the
all the
it should have been a gay already by the
ter is because then already was but I
want to mention a fourth
and this one is a dot longer but It's
classic Benocial classic and this
is in par it's based the says
makes a deal and that is that the Torah
mentions twice this idea that the carbon
should be it mentions
and then it says it
Why is it that the first time it
mentioned
the carbon should be and the second time
it says
means
that should be it's in the same peri
the second time the dogish is on
We know that is
that although there's something called
when it comes to but at the same time
the says
so if somebody brings a carbon and he
has a a different carbon
that's but if somebody would be
>> [snorts]
>> being that that's not
that's the over there wouldn't be a
problem stating that the
If somebody checks the carbon
says there's one exception to this rule
that's the carbon if somebody would
check the carbon and he would have it in
mind
would be possible how do I know that
and the question says why is it that the
carbon is different and even in the
carbon the
[laughter] it sounds like it's only the
carbon
And look at the
envel
that talks about THE
what's the reason for it why would it be
that the carbon pes would be different
and why within the world of the carbon
would be the carbon says take a look
what I wrote in my my right here in par
and if you take a look at over there he
says he says what's
Why is it that if somebody has a
it's not considered a
he said the reason is because in order
for to pass the has to be has to have to
have he says if somebody is going to go
ahead and have a that has nothing to do
whatsoever with what it is you're doing
it's not going to have the ability to
have any impact. So it says that's if
somebody would do a
pick your car and you would have in mind
of course it wouldn't be because there's
no
when it comes to
the only place it would even be
there's one place in the whole world
that would be but let's be honest
as much as we know
but they're not one and the same because
to
And
is to be also to be to be able to go. SO
EVEN
it's not going to be okay. Everybody
knows that there's one carbon in the
world that's different than all the
other carbon. There's one carbon in the
world where the of the carbon is not
the carbon is and that's the carbon.
That's why the carbon say and that's why
by the carbon someone that's can't be
part of a carbon p and that's why even
if you have a you don't have a bus you
can't bring the carbon and that's why
there's something called
that you have in THAT YOU DON'T THERE'S
100 to this is that we spoke about
countless times when we learn but the
bottom line is this is 101 that it's
fundamentally different than all the
other carbon all
GRAVITY IS
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE and that's why
the said that in the minister never
counted any of the as a separate mitzvah
with the EXCEPTION OF
IT'S THE six mitzvah in the world of
[laughter] it's a special mitzvah in the
world of the is because
there is different
when it comes to the of the carbon when
it comes to the of the carbon p that is
really very similar
>> [snorts]
>> because coming to be and this although
it's not EXCLUSIVELY COMING TO BE BUT
THEOR IS COMING TO BE THAT'S THE ONLY
PLACE where has to what it is you're
doing that's why said
that this is the one place in the world
where
is actually going to passel the carvin
this is where says in our and he tells
you to look at in his over here
Now
that I want to say that it could be
during the 40 years that the midbar
during that kufa we know holds that they
were allowed to eat basic
like that means during that kufa they
were allowed to eat. Was there no? Of
course there was kacham shiny. There was
dapka in the world of kutchin but during
that kufa when a yid went and he did on
a carbon that was very unique to kutchin
because there WAS NO SUCH THING AS
IN FACT YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED THERE AM YOU
kus if you went ahead and if that's the
case during that it was
that if somebody would have gone ahead
and he would have the carbon and he
would have had a mindless no in the What
is that? This is a a that's unique to
Kachin and you're having a mind you're
shacking an animal which by the way not
even allowed to do but that would be the
equivalent of pulling a putting a bullet
BETWEEN ITS EYES THAT would have no if
that's case during that would be
when it says in theor of
days it talking about the
how to bring
Yeah. Has to beem
like two people could eat the carbon.
One eats of and the other person eats
WHICH SAYS IS TELLING YOU WHAT IS NOT
GOING TO BE OKAY. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
BECAUSE IT'S
THEY HAVE LIKE ALL THE OTHER THEY HAVE
EVEN BY THE CARBON but if you look
before
you're going to go there [laughter] and
you're going to prophes
and then you're going to bring the
carbon.
Oh now already you're living in where
there is
that you're living already inf
wanted to say it's the it's the oh now
we're ready now we're ready
that's where it's the
no of because there was no where's the
that's something that was when the came
before it's in the it's
then it's already
said
over here but what emerges from this is
really
but what emerges is the and that is that
shifted fundamentally in the world of
Rabaka from when the yidden were in uh
midbar to when the yan came in terra the
definition of was very different because
when the yidden w the midbar the only
that you had was aita that was
shiny but when the yen came into now all
of a sudden every required
this became a very different iss
you'll find this
with
and that is we
This is Kachchum 101
brings in the name of the re mayor
linish also known as the re of Orleans
but the mayor lin said that why is it
that
it's because the reason you're doing the
is part and parcel because you want
going to want to eat the baser and the
only time you can eat the ber is if you
do a if that's the case there's mockim
to say
that the only time you're going to say
that he was only once came but when the
midbar before they came in at that point
was very much yes in so in terms of
understanding the shift and the move in
the world of
that's how fundamental it is the
which is very much
this is something that was when came
into before they came into notes I saw
in this room from all the scenes
Flighter from Pittsburgh in
other places they quote different from
different that said this that according
to
was not true when the were in the mid
because then the only had I was who I
saw at the
piris
the
surk
Rab Hamburger de Maram and Rome Shapiro
the founder of
some of this is very raidworthy and
maybe talk about in one of the coming
days but the bottom line is this is that
the and the spanned everywhere from VNA
to Poland
and everything in between where the all
took out this and the world again this
is just four mesh because uh why not and
it's So, but again
there's so much raid that comes out.