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Today's daf is
and we are at the Mishna 13 lines from
the bot of z today's being learned
and
so we're moving along in
discussing how is related to so the
topic of perabaser are the laws of
the last two daffin involve olved some
digression related to laws of
a bit of in today's we are very very
much going to return to the regular
program which is the of
says
a person's allowed to take a piece of
meat and a piece of
and wrap them together in a in some sort
of towel.
You just have to make sure that they're
not going to touch each other. So if
somebody is traveling, let's say, and he
needs to carry with him buser and he
could put them in the same. He just has
to make sure that there's a little
heftake between the two, they're not
allowed to touch each other.
said another
two guests
are eat on the same table if they're
staying at an in
the one person's bus the other person's
allowed to eat
and they don't have to be concerned.
What don't they have to be concerned
about? That maybe if they're eating
together on the same
the person eating the basa will end up
taking from the gina. the person eating
the gina will end up taking from the
basar and will violate the laws of and
oh by the way this was a mishna that we
saw on
it's a that we saw right at the
beginning of the per
together but over here where it's two
different people that are eating and
there we'll see in the what the
significance of that is it's in that
case that it's going to be okay either
way the Mishna said two and a both very
basic
related to the laws of the first a
person's allowed to wrap and vina
together in the same he just has to make
sure they don't touch another two guests
are allowed to sit at the same table eat
their respective meals even though one
person's eating the other person's
eating venus so as relates to the verse
says
who cares if it touches I mean the
Mishna says just make sure they don't
touch and if they touch what's the issue
who it sounds like from the Mishna the
is and the is now if you have two foods
that are each even if they touch each
other but there's no way for there to be
any
there's no chemical reaction that's
going to occur that's going to cause
some of the bus to go to the gina and
some of the gina to go to the buser. So
the Gmorra says who cares if the buser
and the are touching at the end of the
day they're meaning if the Mishna would
have said this regarding where it's ah
that's already a very important but for
the it sounds like even where it's
says the if it's why would that even be
an issue
I'll tell you why
it's it's true the only time for there
to be real and pl is if the food is
There we say because of the heat that
exists there's a little bit of buser
that would go to the gina a little bit
of gina that would go to the baser and
that would require a whole literally of
how you supposed to deal with it
remove a layer of it sometimes the
entire thing is when two things are so
and they touch all those don't apply
because you're not worried about bas but
you know what you are worried about
maybe there's a little bit of meat that
is sitting on the surface of the gina.
There's a little bit of gina that's
sitting on the surface of meat. That is
a real concern. And the way you address
that concern is by just washing the
buser and washing the Here's the point.
To the extent that the buser and the
would touch each other even though
there'd be no of etc. But there would be
of and it's for that reason the Mishna
says that if you want to put
you can make sure they're not touching
because if they touch you may end up
eating without not without but maybe
without that would be a violation of the
laws of and it's for that reason the
said this is something you have to be
concerned about. The second part of the
was
eat on the same table.
You don't have to be concerned that one
may end up taking from the other's food
and vice versa and be over the
says
the name of the great the only time the
of the is true that two are allowed to
sit at the same table is it's only if
they don't know each other if they know
each other then it's going to be if they
don't know each other then it would be
very socially awkward to uh you know ask
the person that you're sitting with you
mind passing your fries right that's
probably not something you're going to
do but if they know each other that
and in that situation the would not be
true it would actually be
that supports
that both arrived in one in
one came from the north the other came
from the south
one person came with a piece of meat and
the other person came with a piece of
cheese. They're allowed to eat on the
same table. That boss of he could eat
his meat. He could eat his cheese.
And you don't have to be worried.
Hit the pause button for one second.
This is
But there's one in the he didn't have in
the Mishna. And what was it? It's the
drama. But the drama is making a point.
The case was with two that came to Punt.
He came from the ta and he came from the
d. What's the significance of that? They
don't know each other. He lives up
north. He lives down south. It's then
and only then that is that they're
allowed to eat. If however they were
then ready it would be which was exactly
what said. So again
are allowed to eat at the same table
sounds a little bit like they don't know
each other but I don't know maybe
they're two that do know each other no
it's don't know each other the B seems
to say it a lot more
is coming to teach me the of
the continues and the
The only time it's the only time it's
ever for two people to sit together on
the same table and to eat is if it's
which literally sounds like says they're
in one bundle. It's in that situation
that you would ever have the says the
could it be that the only time it's
going to be is if it's in what's the
Rashi says if it's then even if it's not
two people sitting on the same table
even if you would only have the buser
you'd only have the once the buser was
or the was the at that point each one
individually would be like we saw in the
to the extent that it would mean that
they're touching and if that's the case
it would anyways be it. So the gar says
ain't what we mean when we say that the
only time it's user for these two people
to sit at the table is not if it's
because then it would be user even if
you have one without the other but it's
where it's so they're not literally
touching but they are somewhat on some
serving plate maybe it's in that case
and only in that case it's going to be
what's the point of this if there is
some sort of between the two people that
are eating in that instance this is not
going to apply so it's a very important
caveat The only time this is prevalent
is if it's but if it's not it's not
going to be an issue.
What happens if you have two brothers
but they don't particularly like each
other? What's
could they sit at the same table and eat
one person bos one person? What's the
shiloh? So if you have two strangers
that are sitting at a table, this person
is going to eat boss or this person's
going to eat. It's going to be okay. If
there are two people that know each
other, then it's not going to be okay.
What would be if you have two people
that know each other but don't
particularly care about each other? What
would be the there? Would it be or would
it be? So he asked this question
told him it has to be. You know why?
Because if it's going to be people are
going to say this is an expression.
Now the source of this expression is
there discusses
as she brings it on the top of
that says that if somebody makes matzah
for pes you're not going to make
pictures in the matzah. You can't
engrave these different pictures. The
reason is because it may take time for
you to do it and during that time the
dough may rise and your mat end up may
end up becoming so as a protection not
to violate the is often
don't make these pictures over there
says that there was a baker his name was
bis and he had some technology where you
were able to make pictures in the matzah
and you were able to do it very very
quickly and the
discussed whether or
Bis is an exception to the rule. Maybe
because he makes these pictures so
quickly. So there's no it's going to
come with so maybe it be okay. And there
was a ch written by and this is what
they said it has to be. You know why?
Cuz otherwise people are going to say
all the and the bis
if you make a and you want it to stick
you have to enforce it in a plug way.
And it's for that reason they said that
even this was so it says the two
brothers usually are not and therefore
they would not be able to eat at the
same table
says for that reason it has to always be
why we're talking about we're just
borrowing an expression from there but
the says according to you that we always
apply this rule of
it's not just the unique but we're going
to take it from and we're going to shle
it literally drag it so far all the way
to
send the name.
If somebody has only one shirt,
you're allowed to wash
to do laundry, right? Why can't you do
the wash on? We're afraid that if you do
people will not do it before Yantiff and
they'll end up coming into Y improperly
for the same reason you're not let take
a haircut or shave on
the name of the third is my it's all
because of that you may rely on and you
may not take care of business prior to
so it's to protect
said don't do these things so you know a
week is coming now where I can't uh do
the laundry I can't shave etc etc you're
going to make sure to take care of
business prior stating that said if
somebody has only one
then it's okay. He's
why are you not worried people are going
to say
if there's a general principle that says
that institute
and the sources from the
well if that's the case so how come when
it comes to the laws of we don't say
that in other words what the is arguing
is that telling to matzah to tell me
that we make a plug and therefore
is going to be it's still going to be
us. Even though
I'm proving to you that you don't always
say that you don't always
when it comes to being
do the laundry
although generally speaking it's but the
proverbial street over there is actually
see you don't always say that it's going
to be no there's a distinction over
there
already explained the reason that were
okay with the person that has doing the
and the reason is because
his belt
is going to be nicker. So Rashi says
this is a a little bit of a mitas that
shirts these had some sort of belt. If
somebody had multiple shirts, so when he
would wash his shirt, he would remove
the belt. If somebody only had one
shirt, so might as well just leave the
belt in and just wash it that way. It's
not like you're taking it off and
putting it on your other shirt. So they
would just wash it together. It's nicker
to the bystander
and these suggest they're not such
innocent bystander. We always say he's a
big yenta this guy whoever he is. So
it's nicker to that guy that this person
only has one shirt. Wears a nicker
because he has the inside. It's for that
reason Kazal said, "I'm not so worried
that if we're going to allow this person
to wash his clothing, other people are
going to wash it as well because people
are going to this guy only has one
shirt, the other guy has a a whole
wardrobe, you know, they're going to see
it because a is going to be however as
it relates to as it relates to
you're not going to have any way of
knowing they like each other, they don't
like each other. It's for that reason
felt that's a better to the bis and it's
for that reason they said that just like
the bisal was also this has to be as
well if you have
that
were willing to make a distinction and
go away from the general rule of if you
don't have such a then we are not going
to say that either way this concludes
the first portion of today's daf by far
the lighter portion of today's daf so as
it relates
to the balance of today's daf. So is a
daf that requires an asterisk next to it
as it's uh daf that's learned in
yeshiva. When you learn in yeshiva you
spend at least a month that was in my
days at least a month on this a lot of
the lumbus of andan
is all playing itself out right here on
this. Now without further ado, one of
them were certainly one of them.
So somebody had a pot of meat and a
little bit a ta of fell on top of one of
the that was inside this
if there's enough
relative to the
for it to be meaning there isn't 60
times of connected
is
this
buser that has a little bit in it is now
going to be what would be if
the second the fell on top of the person
immediately took his mish and he stirred
the chant he stirred the pot so then
what we say happened is the didn't just
land on top of this it ended up uh
immersing itself in the entire so
then only if there's enough in
proportion to the
for it to be nice and in the entire is
that it's going to be if however you
don't have
enough for it to in that case it's going
to be meaning if the tas falls on top of
the
so then when you're trying to determine
whether there is tam or there's not so
you're going to look at the tasc
relative to the katikas if however the
tasc would fall into the entire so then
you wouldn't look at it as relative to
rather you look at the relative to the
entire right to everything that's going
on in the pot says the second way of
looking at it would be true even if it
landed on one but then you immediately
mix the together with the rest of the
then the of determining the shisha would
not be that one though it landed
initially on one it's going to be
everything in the relative to what's on
that one so before we start the garra a
tiny bit of an introduction and that is
we're familiar with the concept of tam
ker what's the
idea of tam ker
in the event they have a taru of is of
but there's no mamoshious of the iser in
the taru all there is is a tan so for
example somebody would cook a piece of
meat that's not kosher together with
meat that's kosher but he would remove
the meat from the pot so he cooked it
together but the actual meat was taken
out in that instance. The way kazal
termed this is you don't have the of the
all you have is the it's what's known as
tom kicker now we know from learning tom
is without a question stating that a big
sham whether is
which trickles down to a big whether is
or is
the gumar is going to suggest that the
laws of bus
would at first glance seem to be a good
source, a good mar to the concept of tom
kicker. Why? Because what is
where somebody cooks meat and milk
together and now he goes ahead and he
eats the if somebody simply eats meat
and milk together, he's not over.
somebody doesn't wait he's not over
the didn't say don't eat the said
and from there we learn that the only
time there is
if somebody goes and he cooks the meat
and the milk together now if you would
go ahead and you would cook meat and
milk or meat and cheese together
assuming you take the meat out and now
the cheese out and you eat each one
individually you're going to be over the
But at the same time, do you have mushy
of the other men? I don't think so. You
take the buser out of this pot, you have
the buser. You take the gina out of the
spot, you have the gina. Why is there a
problem? Because the buser has in it a
gina. And the gina hasn't iter. It's for
that reason it's awesome. If you think
about it, it's your classic
quintessential protottypical textbook
any synonym vera of a Tom Ker. Every bus
of a is really a Tom Ker. I took bus. I
took vina. I cooked them together in the
same pot. I took my baser out. I took my
gin out. Each one is prohibited by the
rice to go ahead and eat. I It's
not really bos
of it's
the terret is there's some idea of of
kicker. So at first glance it would seem
that in this of
we have an amazing
form and that is the laws of right. So
again when you learn the sukis of uh tam
kicker you encounter a lot of very fancy
sources to kicker learns it from mish
that it says by the nuzer learns it from
the gle mid this is in paras you end up
flying all over the place really if you
think about it we're learning now at
first glance the most obvious the most
basic the simplest source to ko would
seem to be bos it's going to be abaya's
comment right here in the beginning of
this
abay tamoy
I hold
but I don't have
cuz if you're going to tell me that it's
I'll ask you a very good
why wouldn't you learn from that it
should be awesome. So this is a little
bit of a backwards
way of saying that I see from that Tom
must be because if Tom is I'll ask you a
question learn from that it should be
okay in English I learned from that Tom
is now says I know what you might be
thinking you might be thinking that
maybe you can't learn anything from you
know why because of
and we know the rule we don't learn
things from so If the Tyra says
something that's like very very novel,
it's like a real. So the rule is you
can't take that and learn from it. Just
to explain this a little bit better, one
of the
is which means that if the Torah tells
me something, I assume it's a rule and
I'm allowed to now apply it elsewhere as
well. It's what's known as precedent in
the legal world, right? Pyav is a
precedent. So the TYRUS SAID THIS HERE,
THIS IS PROBABLY THE way it's going to
be other places. But at the same time
there's a limitation to binav there's a
limitation to the rule of president and
that is if that thing is clearly aesh
what would make it a kesh because it's
inconsistent with some of the other
rules and regulations that govern the
terra so in that situation
we say that we can't learn from here
because this might be something very
very unique so says I know what you're
going to tell me maybe Tomk is really I
and being that it's aish you can't learn
from it now why would be a kadesh. So
Rashi says two reasons. One reason Rashi
says is because Baser is kosher and is
kosher. Yeah. When you mix them together
all of a sudden becomes non-cooser. Come
on, that's a kadesh. If it's kosher, it
should be kosher. The fact that
something could be non-cooser is not
aesh. But the fact that something is
kosher but when you cook it with
something else that's also kosher now
becomes non-cooser. That's another
reason Rashi says that is because of is
only a problem if you cook it together.
But if you would eat them together not
cooked in that situation it itself
wouldn't be a problem by the way speaks
out that the Gumar in different places
in says and the always brings the second
reason that Rashi says not the first
reason says as far as I know Rashi made
up the first reason but the bottom line
is says I know what you're going to tell
me. You're going to tell me that maybe
is why wouldn't you learn it from
the because it's a but said I'm not sure
I agree with that. You know why? Cuz
what are you going to tell me?
You're going to argue maybe you can't
live from because it's a then
should be that bus of that's cooked
together should be even if the bus is
not well the is not and the bus meaning
if you want to tell me that this concept
of bus of
cook together where it's
user not because that's the regular rule
of the way it would be in ter but is
somehow. So why are we limiting the
to limit the scope of the to where it's
it should be even if it's not. Now how
do you know it's not if it's not
but if it's not that it's going to be
how did Kazal know to limit it? Oh the
terret is they must have known to limit
it. This way Rashi explains it is
because they know that there's a general
of they learned it from as we learned it
in that there's a concept of something
called but the bottom line is that you
see that the laws of are also conforming
with the regular laws of if that's the
case this is not just some unique uh
parish in the that you can't learn from
you should be able to learn from it and
if you see over here that Tomkick is the
rice I think this is going to be the
case and call Tomkick is always going to
be the rice rahas said and he told him I
disagree with you. I'm going to tell you
that
it's a very novel para. You want to know
why it's only going to be a problem if
the bus is or if the is because
it says what does mean? If you put
ingredients into a pot, you expect each
ingredient to be nice and the is saying
don't cook meat and milk together.
What's the significance? Don't do it in
a proportion in a way where the meat's
going to be nice and time to the milk
and the milk's going to be nice and time
to the to the meat. It's for that reason
is that it's only a problem where it's
not going to be a problem where it's not
there's nothing to do with the par of
this is a very very unique
you can't learn anything from here and
that's the case says you have no from
here that is the bottom line is Tom kick
is riso is Tomake is lava if you
remember from perh even though ra's Tom
kick is lav riso but by Tomkick is the
riso but the bottom line is over here in
whether
what's can I learn from or can I not
learn from you
said well if that's the case it's
teaches me that Tom is always said is
and you can't learn anything from next
said that as it relates to the first of
the
You know what the word means? Said
as soon as the falls on the and it's
nice and assuming it is
the entire becomes a piece of
and it is going to all the in. And the
reason it is
because the buser is the same min as all
the other is that's inside in the and
being that it's the same min there's no
way for the other to be and it's for
that reason it's all going to be us. So
this one statement of rav
reverberates throughout
and all the sug
said uh
In fact, as we'll see, he said two and
he also said
so first
said that if you have a falls on top of
assuming there's no
you're not going to be able to eat the
bosser. That's easy right? What would
happen now if this katik's bosser would
beare with other katik's boser?
This katika's bosser is user right you
can't eat it now it's with other katik's
bosser and you're trying to do I have
shishim that katika's bosser or do I not
have shishim
when you
am Iing
times the original that was the
troublemaker or do I
times the entire baser that became
because of the tasal that fell on top of
There's merit to both arguments. The
merit to view it as the
is because really the iser is together
with so when the
fell into the
right now from the perspective is that
little bit of so good I didn't have
shishim to be so is going to be but if
this is now cooked together with a whole
bunch of other at the end of the day the
only that I have is the as long as I'm
going to have shish that little bit of I
should be good to go. What's the other
side also merit and that is once the
falls into the so now I have a of meat
that's once the meat is if that's with
other piece of meat so I have to be the
entire piece of meat
you don't have to worry about this I'm
going to explain it to you this is the
when you have a that falls on
when the
I look at the entire as if it's what
does that mean? I look now as the entire
piece of meat is so if it's
I would need
that entire piece of meat it's
when I go ahead now to be it's not
enough that I'm
have to be the entire because
I look at the entire as if it's awesome.
Now again ra is not being that I look at
the entire as a piece that I can't eat
it. I knew I couldn't eat it. Of course,
of course, you can't eat it.
I look at it as an entire that hasn't
it. I look at it as if it's itself. And
if that's the case, if I'm going to try
to be in now in a new, it's not going to
be enough to be the original. The did
its damage. It went ahead and it
metastasized in this. So now the entire
piece, this entire piece of meat is one.
And if that's the case, I would need
shisha the entire NO or this piece of B
of that we're proverbally referring to
as and otherwise
wouldn't be a problem. But said
another's
once that happens once
falls into and it makes it because you
don't have
and if this piece of meat is
all the other are going to be and the
reason is
what does he mean first of all why is it
for
should be telling if
there's not
answer
is of the opinion that is raud
if that's the case once the
makes the itself into aer
now I have not just
of iser in this voice I have boser of is
in the as well can't be
and therefore the entire pad is going to
be so essentially is saying number one
additionally what he's saying is that
now as it relates to the right we said
that he's saying a little bit of the
let's go back to the
fell on top of
if there's a ratio a proportion where
the
inside it's going to be before rav what
did we thinker meant meant that that is
going to be asser is teaching us means
the entire is going to be because once
that k becomes I have meat of meat of in
a pot of meat everything is going to be
so ra is telling me
that is like
and based on those two
that what does means the entire is going
to be because once that becomes at that
point there's no way to be with other
everything at this point is going to be
now the next part of the daf it's going
to take us on to the is going to ask or
make two observations related to
so we have to stay mindful of it's the
backdrop to the next piece that we're
going to learn.
So returned to Ra and he said
when Rav said his who did he say it
according to clearly
right the second of Rav's
that means regardless of what else is
going on because once the
knocks out the one
I have and there's no way to be with
other bosser that's only true who I just
want to bring up one other point. I
think it's the two of
and are mutually exclusive. They're not
totally each other. You could
and hold and you could owe and you can
not hold
but at the same time but at the same
time
happens to be
he also happens to hold and he needs
both of those in order to bearish the
way he was because he was
the entire pot is and means it's always
going to No if spots or when as long as
the made at that point everything is
100% going to be everything is going to
be 100% maybe there's enough meat in the
to go ahead and be this one the is that
so again you don't need both
in order to have one they're mutually
exclusive of each other but you need
both in order to bearish the way without
I
that's making trouble. Not
even if you have
but if your whole
is going to be you have to give me more
information. How big is this pot? This
might be some massive commercialsized
pot and maybe there's going to be times
but if you
so the boss is
I don't care how big the pot is. this
going to be awesome. But again either
ways
told you know one second when he was he
clearly like well if that's the case
I think
is something
and we had earlier on the days
that even though
also says
anytime you have a
where there's
and The heter is made up of mininoi and
ano mininoi. So you have let's say me
that's aer and you have me that's motor.
So that's of but you also have may right
you have rov you have may of so I have
is and I have of that's the other meat
and I have
of that's the so what did rab say what
do you do in that situation according to
we make believe the is not there
and as long as there's enough of water
in that case to be the meat everything
is going to be mut. So what was the
even if Rav holds and even if Rav holds
I'm still not sure why the Mishna says
automatically you should still take a
look at the pot you know why cuz if
there's enough to go ahead and to be
that one
then it's going to be a what do you mean
there's all this buser inside and and
like bottle you'll never have enough
road to be mat all the baser inside the
that's true but you don't need that
because anytime You have a voice of min
and so
we make believe the min of is not here
and all you have to is the
and as long as this it should be so
again is being no if buts and you don't
have to do any don't pull out your
measuring you don't call your local rabb
throw the whole thing in the garbage you
don't have to do anything the whole pot
is because the bus is and And then whoa
one second there's mino and there's how
do you know there's mina cuz there
you have a cook there's going to beo
there's going to be so for sure there's
going to be as well and what's the rule
it's rule
and all you
would mean that if times
would be can just go ahead or
it's guaranteed going to be what do you
see from here what do you see from here.
It sounds like rabbin hold of robbed in
hold of see you know what Rab said Rob
said that if you have
where it's and
is going to spread you're going to end
up with so much there's no way in the
world the is going to be able to all the
meat inside and you're going to end up
with one big as of everything is going
to be brown but says the gum is that
true
raino told
said it's a beautiful but it's not
because
if the case in the Mishna was with the
rodev was ra it was like a very liquidy
then I would agree because that is
viewed as it's and if it's said there
might be a over here you can't just go
ahead and tell me it's
talking about where the was very thick
says has a d of and being that has a d
Boser. So this is minim.
So there's different types, right? So if
you have a chol, for example, a thick
cholen, the rotive over there is
considered boser. You have chicken soup.
So the rot is considered. So sometimes
it's considered and sometimes it's
considered berk where it was baser.
There's no sal to be had over here
because you don't have any. If that's
the case, there's no over here. But the
Gmorra says there's another observation
that needs to be made as it relates to
as it relates to the of and that is the
Gmorra now is going to introduce Shila
which is going to also be the topic of
uh the beginning of tomorrow's and that
is whether
or it's usually when you hear the word
make a beline to right but over here
means something else the question is if
you have a
that has in it a bah and then you go
ahead and you cook it. Do we assume that
that ble came out or do we not assume
that that ble came out?
So when you have this new tar here if we
could assume that the ble came out so
then as long as you would have shishim
in the entire
that would be enough to knock it out. If
you don't assume that it came out so
then it's stuck inside this katikas
baser and even though your new taru has
a thousand times kga that little ble I
know but it's it's stuck it's nestled
inside this
and there's no way of extracting it now
through this second process of bishel or
whatever it was and as a result that
thing is going to remain asser
when you go ahead and you recook this
baser whatever ble is inside is going to
come out and as long as you have a a
shishim to knock it out in this whole
new taras that you're cooking in that's
going to be enough for everything to be
okay means that once it's there it's
there and there's no way of
extrapolating it there's no way of doing
this extradition there's no way of
getting it out it's therefore if it was
enough to make this it's something
that's going to remain now this sh of
plays right into right let's just pick
it up because it's so obvious
if Rav held that
if Rab held that if you recook a ba that
has a little bit of a inside of it, the
ble comes out and you reassess the whole
situation, then then his would make
absolutely no sense, right? It wouldn't
even get onto first base. It it just
wouldn't make any sense.
You can't say that you can recook a k
that hasn't it a
and everything is going to be fine and
also wholean because by definition means
that once the ble merges together with
the so at that point the entire BECOMES
SO WHAT DO YOU mean I went ahead and I
recooked it and I got the ble out and
now I have shish time from the fact that
you're telling me there's a ofan then
you clearly hold that this business
doesn't work. In fact, you're taking it
a step further. You're telling me not
only don't I hold that you can remove
the
entire even IF YOU TOOK THE OUT it would
be neither here nor there because at the
end of the day there's a concept is
available. So it's almost as if
is like an extreme
opinion, an extreme position within the
And it's even more than that. Not only
can I remove the but
and in the second bishel when I'm doing
my computation I'm not only
either way that's high level what the is
about to do. So let's see it inside says
the
what is
what does mean in the event you went
ahead and you recooked that piece of
meat. So we can now
again connect it that little bit of that
was there and assuming you have the
whole thing is going to be then
had it to make sense
to hold
right you're going to recook it it's all
going to come out and and everything is
going to be fine
it must be that rabb is of the opinion
that
is that once the becomes asser there's
no there's no second bishel that's going
to be able to remove it and that's why
if you recook it you put it into the
it's going to remain
inside that original piece of and ra
doubled down on that he said not just
that but you should know I also hope
that
so that if you're going to go ahead and
you're going to try to be it's not going
to be enough to be mat that little bit
of
that little bit of tub you're gonna have
to move out the entire bus again if
then you couldn't get to because then
when you recook it the ble is out this
this whole thing is a mood point the say
and on top of that
and the says by the way this observation
that we just made that that is that
is also happens to be thear
said,
"Which do we need?"
Which is consistent with this opinion of
does in fact hold. Now, this is a little
bit of a tricky gimmar because really
what the Gar means to say is not so much
that does holder. We're not going to
have any proof from what we're about to
ask from that he doesn't hold.
We're going to have proof that he
doesn't hold
is going to ask.
The reason the Gmorra is saying
is just based on we just said that you
can't hold
unless you hold. So we're picking on the
part, but really the is not
but it's
fell into a a big vat of
said
the bus is going to be and the m what
was the case? A little bit of baser fell
into a huge yer of
the buser is asser. The is the reason
the baser is asser is because there's
very little baser relative to the little
bit of that goes into the baser is not
bottle. So the baser is asser the
however is mut and the reason is because
there's so much relative to the baser.
So the little bit of bas that fell into
the is bottle to the and therefore the
itself is going to be right. So this is
like a little counterintuitive right
make up your mind is this is not no you
actually have to bifrocate right. So the
itself is because there wasn't enough to
be that's inside the itself is because
there was enough to be the little bit of
that was inside says
if you're going to tell me which we said
really means if you're going to tell me
that
why is that is
why don't we say that the That's inside
the now became.
So when it is together with the rest of
the being that
all the should now be awesome meaning if
you don't hold
so when you have the has a little bit of
inside of it from the perspective what's
the is the baser that's inside from the
baser perspective the is the that's
inside from the perspective the is the
is inside so you have that has a little
bit of baser inside that is going to
of now in the of that little bit of BA
that's inside of it is buckled a million
times over and as a result this is not
something you have to worry about if
however your whole
so that means when there's a little bit
of in the it's not just the that's the
and there's a little bit of inside the
it's not just the that's the that's so
you have a bus the isiker
and the isiker well If that's the case,
this piece of meat that's floating
inside this now has in it. If holds also
those are the two of
so the whole should be
if I only see the as being the
and the being the so there's enough to
knock out the boss there's not enough to
knock out the but
that one I have a little bit of that's I
see them each as a so in that I HAVE OF
AND
THAT is with the rest OF THE YEAR. SO
THAT THAT LITTLE BIT OF KNOCKED OUT THE
entire
that's something that should be able to
happen a bomb
a very surprising terrorist. It's a
fleeting but it's a surprising one
which again say means really ravels.
So what's the show if that's the case in
this case the whole should be because
and now
when the T says what does it say don't
cook a goat in its mother's milk doesn't
say don't cook a mother's milk together
with uh you know the son the goat it
says don't cook the goat in the mother's
milk
the meat is user not the milk it's only
the meat that's the milk was was never
assur in the first place and if the meat
was never in the first place it's only
the itself
that's well then in that case you don't
have to worry about it right take a look
at
right the itself is always going to be
even the in the is going to be motor
even the in the bus is going to be
Every time you have here's the point.
It's always the that's what's the whole
should beer. Why would it beer? Because
of right at the end of the day, what's
the is there's no real here is just an
expression. What do you have? You have
bas
never asks the all it ever asks is the
basa. Right? Every time you have a a
cheeseburger, it's it's not the cheese
that's awesome. It's the burger that's
awesome. Cheese is not awesome. It's the
burger. That's what the is suggesting
right now. So if that's the case, so so
what's the problem? The problem is that
the the is going to go ahead and is is
going to all the
is never user anyways. And if that's the
case, this is not something you have to
worry about. But the says it can't be.
Impossible.
Rav holds that every time there's only
the
what would be if somebody has a half of
and he cooked the two together.
He would get malus for eating the half
of the half of but he wouldn't get malus
for cooking. Now the is going to explain
soon what the difference is. But
if you going to tell me that whenever
comes to the is only under is not inval
for eating a half a
of baser and half a zas of
the is not even
it's
can't be that rav holds that the is of
was never said regarding the was only
said regarding the baser because if
that's the case if somebody is he would
not be over anything it
But it would not be enough for him to
get Malcus. And Rav said that
is
that means because he has a
together. But if the is then then what's
the issue over here?
You have to say
is what's the problem? So let's go back
to the case with the cuz fell into the
of the buser but the motor why is the
motor the buser makes the
knock out the entire
it's talking about that yra wasn't just
hot now we knew it was hot because if it
wasn't hot they couldn't have been ble
and plus but it was it was boiling hot
Okay.
If if you have a situation where a piece
of meat is in a
so there the can be blay from the but it
won't be able to be maflit back into the
so what are you worried about you
worried that the it was now went back
into the it became
it should knock out the entire it's
Now the reason that it's pa is because
apparently it could focus on one thing
the piece of me. So if I'm being ba
right now I can't be maflin now but the
says that's
once it's not so anymore once it calms
down then it should be able to do
another thing as well. So
it's not going to be so boiling the
entire time. So when the waters calmed
down a little bit at that point why
don't we say it's mafl
the case is talking about where before
it calmed down you removed it it had a
chance to be ba it didn't have a chance
to be meaning it's a big but could be
true it could be true in the event that
you had this now if you take a look at
struggles with this very very much in
fact says
that if you put a piece of meat
It's going to be it's going to be so
strugg
struggled a little bit to understand
what the exact mas here was. Either way,
one last.
If somebody would cook a half of his
together,
you get malus for eating it. You don't
get malus for cooking it.
If a half is half of
you should get malus for cooking it as
well.
You shouldn't get malus for eating it
either. And by the way, the not cooking
and not eating is the same.
How could it be that with regards to
cooking
and with regards to eating the makes no
sense says
half of his eyes
the case of was talking about where it
was the way Rashi explains
of
but
were two completely different cases.
The case of bishop was where someone
takes a half his eyes of this, half his
eyes of that. You cook it together,
you're not this because a half a and a
half as of
each other men is not you haveis of
that. Yeah. But a half and a half is not
going to be mitarf. The case of eating
uh half aas and a half a bear is talking
about where someone had a big yra and in
the yra he had a bunch of kaza. He had a
full kaz of this full kaz of that. He
had kazish kazayas of each one inside
the and then he pulled out a half a zas
of this and a half of that and he ate
it. In that case, you're going to be if
the starting point is a half aas of
each, you don't have the basis for if
the starting point is a kazas of each
and I only eat a half a zas. If it's
not just a half as half as it's a halfas
from
that was cooked together with a half as
in that situation it's definitely going
to bear.
Either way, what's
with regards to bish is with regards to
he said you get malus for the bish as
well. So somebody would cook half
you would get malus for the bish
that said the same thing
just like you get malcus for eating a
half his eyes and half his eyes you're
going to get malcus for cooking a half
his eyes and half his eyes.
What kind of bish did mean? It's
it has to be a type of bish that other
people would want to eat it.
Right? Meaning if would eat from it says
this is just a fancy way of saying
if it was cooked properly, it's well
done. It was it was made in the right
way. That's when you would have this.
If it wasn't cooked properly, meaning
the sheer bish of
is when it's cooked to a point where
somebody would want to eat from it. But
if it's not cooked to the point where
somebody would want to eat from it, in
that situation, you would not have this
x hail.
So, as it relates to rate,
there's so many directions that you can
go with a daff like this, but I think
it's good to focus on the last last part
of the DAFF,
one of the lighter portions of the DAFF,
which really ties in to some of the
Goras and some of the raid that we saw
earlier this week. And that is the
primagod in his
declares the following question. He
said, "What would be if somebody would
cook a half a zas of B of not a full Zas
of B of a half a Zas of B of Would he
violate the
or would he not?" In other words, it's
we just learned it a minute ago that
there's a sheer
as it relates to the is of
whether you need a bus or an or whether
are going to be
that there's a shear and the only time
one would get malus for violating the
would be if he went and he cooked the
shear of
but we also know that
and we pass like
which means that all the that you find
of etc. It's only with regards to the
punishment with regards to the with
regards to the malus but as it relates
to the
issim
would there be
with regards to the
or would there not be
with regards to the
at first glance you would say why not
ifra
and this is a general rule that you find
in so why would you think that the iser
would be any different says I'm going to
tell you why because if you take a look
at the
gives two reasons why
the first is a it says in the thou shalt
not eat but doesn't just say thou shalt
not eat it says thou shalt not eat all
the says you're not let it eat that word
is coming to be something it's coming to
be but the gives another reason why is
The Gmorrah says that being that a half
a
is
it's for that reason it's for that
reason that
is
what does it mean it's so we know that
whenever the says you're not let
it doesn't mean that you can't only eat
it or can't only not eat but if you
would eat a little bit of
And then
you would go ahead and you would eat
another little bit of a those two within
that short time frame would be
it's
and it's for that reason here's the lus
even when I only eat half the share even
though I didn't eat the other half to
bear is it's already going to be
awesome. In other words, the gave two
reasons why is
and the is it says not just and the is
that it's says the prim if that's the
case I think there's mock to say that as
it relates to the
there would not be a problem
because being that one of the reasons
that the gave and both are needed for
is
in if somebody would book a bus of a and
then five minutes later he would cook
another
of a bus of a would they be mitarif says
why would they be mitarif when it comes
to there's a special that says to pick a
brows but why in the world should a
that's not a bear with another bishop
that's not a zenar 0 plus 0 is zero each
one is
And how could two make one complete and
being that says the you don't have
so could be you wouldn't have
says the I'm not sure what's
the says that
because
maybe the gamarra doesn't mean because
after I eat a half a shir I always have
the option of eating eating another half
a share and then the two will be
that they were of and it's for that
reason even that first half is already
awesome it could be the of
that when I ate the half a I could have
eaten more at that time being that all I
was in was in the amount I did
everything I needed to do it's just
that she I could have always added I
could have tacked on a little bit more I
could have taken another bite out of the
sandwich or a bigger bite out of the
sandwich. that what means not that after
I do the shir I could do another half a
share but what it means is that when I
did the half a share I didn't have to do
a half a share I could have done more
and maybe that's why if that's the case
by bishop I didn't have to cook a half a
I could have cooked an entire share and
being that had I cooked an entire share
it would have been so maybe when I cook
it's also going to be in other words is
claring what is the lumbness of is the
lumbness of that after I eat the half a
shar I can eat another half a shear
Or is the lumbness of that when I ate
the half a I could have eaten more. If
it's after I eat I could always eat
another because it's going to be by you
don't have a way to bear of two half a
bishials. If it's that I could have
eaten more by as well. could have cooked
more and if that's the case maybe I
would have the
this is the suffic
of the prim in his
the truth is the primagod in another
place is this identical sh and this is
in
this is in
the primar if somebody would eat a gdan
would there be
or would there not be again it's pos not
going to
But would there be
or would there not be
what did it says?
We learned the gar earlier this week
with the says that asked what would be
if somebody took
and he cracked it in half and he ate
each half individually. Would we say
that he would get malus now assuming the
two halves made a a hole that's a or
would we say that
is not by what's the says
in days is because really this whole
idea that
is
very big the fact that there's a concept
of
if that's the case is mo to say that the
only time you say the
is when it comes to a regular laugh. But
the lab of
why is it a because the is not just the
it's
being that it's
and maybe there's no
and that was
if somebody would eat but he did it in
where it was
do you say
or do you say it's a
is a
say if somebody would eat two half of
they would not bear. Why wouldn't they
bear again? because it's
not says the prim
that that's just like
is also it's the biggest in the world
because it's an says and you find that
it's if that's the case Dr. of them.
It's part to me in math that just like
and he ate them in two shots. It
wouldn't be when it comes to it's going
to be the same. If that's the case, says
the here's my is
not it's totally in how you understand
the
if means that after I eat a half a she
could always eat another half a year and
it's going to bear well when it comes to
it can't be mitarif why not because
that's me by and what can say by the
prim to me would apply to as well so if
the
can't bear if you don't have the but if
it doesn't mean that after I eat a half
a I could always bear with another half
a
means that I could have eaten more if
I could have eaten more well if that's
the case when it comes to also could
have eaten more
you can always have eaten more and if
that's what
means then would be in other
Sha
whether this
when it comes to
is the same exact
as
whether this
as it relates to the
it all boils down how you understand the
infur
explains this of
is because
If means that after I ate my half a I
could eat another half a which would
retroactively mean that what I ate now
was really a aer and that's why I view
it today even without eating the other
half a as if it's well if that's the
case I don't think that's true
and I don't think that's true when it
comes to
if means not after I eat a half a share
I could eat another half a share but I
could have eaten
full share when I only ate the half a
share. Well, that's true for as well.
You could have cooked the full share.
And that's true for you have eaten the
entire share. And if that's the case,
you would have by and you would have
when it comes to the of of
the of by the lav of Gdan. So he brings
the second primagod that we mentioned
the primagodam is simak and he says that
even though the primagodam had a suffic
but the shagasar a contemporary of the
primagod one of the great 18th century
he in simmons pale took on one side very
very clearly. The shagasari declares
whether this
by the love of
this is like a classic
portion of
declares whether this
when it comes to
it's to me no he says you know why
because why
does mean that if I have half and then I
tack on another half
they're going to bear says if somebody
would have a half as she often
then afterwards he would have another
half and they both happened within a
certain time frame WOULD THEY BEAR NO
WAY IT'S 0 plus 0 equals zero the only
time you find is when it comes to it's
in this
but by the
you're not going to have it says
to me that you say there's no
it's totally how you learn the it's
totally
in other words
means that after I do a half a I could
bear for another half a year then I
agree but means not that now I could
bear but I could have beenar I could
have done more by I also could have done
more the ter is the
what is
mean when it says that after I do half I
could always add on another half. Well,
if that's the case and you see that boy
in his
of the
and that is okay this is all raid we've
spoken about over the years and that is
says
if somebody eats a kho of
thou shall not eat somebody eats a khu
he's
even though you're not going to be
punished there's no there's no carbon
I'll ask you but at the same time it's
and you're going to be misus you're
going to get makas the ra brings a pik a
special pik to teach us that if somebody
would go and somebody would eat
oft
you don't need a special for that says
it a bunch of times but there's a sh the
is a
what if you eat less than a culture it's
also awesome because it says
I quote
And if that's the case, why do I need a
special?
I've no I can't for the life of me
understand
the ra needed to pull out a p to teach
me that if somebody eats
it's of course it's user we pass.
Now let's explain the catch a little
better.
would be there's a real oh that's
because but there's no but the says
clearly
only see anyway he's not being punished
really so if you're not being punished
anyways it's a regular answer REGULAR
ANSWER
WHY DO I need a separate
and
they Paul said, I'm going to tell you
maybe why the ra needed a what would be
if somebody would eat a half a
so this guy made it through the whole
pes but he couldn't control himself at
the last second
as the curtain is at the last second he
says you know something I'm going to
LET ME QUICKLY AND HE GOES AHEAD and he
eats a half a would he be
or would he not
He wouldn't be.
You know why? Because why is
because it's
that's why it's because it's I could
always eat another HALF A SHARE. THIS
GUY can't eat another half a share. YOU
KNOW WHY? CUZ TOO LATE BECAUSE THE THE
MINUTE YOU'RE READY TO HAVE ANOTHER IT'S
CAN EAT PIZZA ALREADY. IT'S at that
point it's going to BE MUT. SO YOU DON'T
HAVE THE
DR. Even that guy is going to be you
know what says and there's a new answer
for someone that NEEDS A EVEN THOUGH YOU
DON'T HAVE the but
they like the they both
means it HAS TO BE NOT I COULD HAVE
eaten more during the time that I had
because if that was the case every time
that you eat even at the last second
before yum I could have just taken a
bigger bite. I could have just taken a
little bit more the
means I need to physically bear and I
have no time to go ahead and bear. In
other words, what the prim was about
with regards to bishop of and with
regards to
we have from the regarding the labs of
and from
with regards to the
jumping all over the place a real smogus
board of but this is like a realmous
board right. So you have over here this
grace of grace was had to learn the
what is the is it that after I ate a
half I could have eaten another half a
or when I ate the half I could have
technically gone ahead and ate more
wasn't sure and that's why he had a
suffic whether you say
as it relates to
and whether you say with regards to the
held for it means you have to bear and
that's why there's
when it comes to and
as well and they
that's why the need a special to tell me
that it
is he did it at the last second of I
just want to end with one last a
beautiful
and that is
the Rambam in
the beginning of it's the first
if somebody goes ahead and he steals
or more he's over the stating that
even though that's true but you're not
let steal even
so
Geneva is that when it comes to Geneva,
you can't steal from somebody even a
says also in
even though the talking about
and
says the same exact
that's invigor
that's in
if you take a look at the in the
beginning of if take a look at the on
that
says quote
it's referring to
it's
57a
And by the way, this whole idea that
you'd be for
oh it's like
it's true for
right we discussed it in the context of
so many there's no reason it shouldn't
be true with regards to as well
says
57a Okay, you have the dick. Do this one
more time.
57A
57A leaves out the second part
says that.
But invest
THESE ARE IDENTICAL
made a beline to the same
but here he added the one LINE
and
did not add that line says
he says why is it that is so he brings
from the and our list is the shagar and
and that it's based on the fact that
meaning after you do the half a you
could always go ahead and do another
half a share says I want to ask you a
question if somebody would steal from
somebody
and then he would go and he would steal
from that person another
would the two be mitarif or would they
not be mitarif
says pes here's my muskarish my musition
is they won't be mitarif You know why?
Because the says in that very same
and it says it elsewhere as well that a
person is if somebody takes from him
and being
so it's yours you don't have to give it
to me anymore. So once I'm you you don't
owe it to me. I later you stole another
half. Whatever that's uh that's that's
another half that I'm maybe at some
point I'll stop being but once I'm right
if you chip away then at some point I'll
get the memo. But the bottom line is
this person is if this doesn't pass.
What's the difference between a and a
right? We know the gland doesn't pay the
pays. What's the difference? The gazel
looks you between the eyes
and he takes it. The ganiv goes in a
cunning way. He goes in a discreet way.
When someone is a golin, you know he's a
golin. When someone is a ganv, you don't
necessarily know that he's a ganva.
In his gazum says, you not let us steal.
He knew it from a gar
says to I'm wondering you think this has
something to do with
can't be you know why because the guy
knows you stole and we have an implied
that he was once he's not if he would
steal another half a share as a result
this can't have nothing to do with
anything to do with
and it's for that reason it's posit this
must be just a separate but in is where
Nicknav doesn't know that it was taken
away from him. He doesn't know to be. HE
DOESN'T KNOW TO BE. AH, IF HE WOULD know
about it, he would be. What's the answer
to that? We passing like
for now, right? But that's
we touched on enough big sluggies in
this.
But here's the point being that doesn't
know about it. SEE, HE DOESN'T KNOW TO
BE. IF HE DOESN'T KNOW TO BE
if it's
going to work with
could be that's this in this such subtle
in the you know the
talk about
teaching us
in such a subtle way in where there's a
there's no if there's no it can't
He doesn't know about it. He doesn't
KNOW TO BE DOESN'T KNOW to be
if it's over there. You're going to have
it. But this is only true if you learn
like
you learn like you learn like that the
way works is that it physically requires
you to be able to do another act for it
to be. But if the way works is I could
have
So I COULD HAVE STOLEN ENOUGH WHERE IT
WOULDN'T be
but
like
means that it physically has to be and
if that's the case that's the why
or the invoked
and he did not invoke
just to really come full circle and that
is that we said that
they said there to answer who's
why did the need to teach me
and the oblied
what would be ashhat in why the wouldn't
have answered the way and the answered
is because maybe the held that the way
works is not that I could be mitarif
later it's that I could have done more
so what WAS THE TERRORIST WAS THAT what
would be a case where I eat it by where
there's no time anymore for it to bear
that's all true if I needed to p to bear
but JUST MEANS I COULD HAVE earlier made
I could have had more then that is not
going to be as far in other words the
maybe maybe
is from the fact that he
didn't say what said that he must have
held like the other
doesn't mean that
means that I could have done more. All I
was missing was in Shir. If that's the
case, it's really a between the kfishna
and the magishna from
Frank's in the magna
and gaz you see that he held like the
shag and you see he held like and
means that after I do a half I have to
be able to do another half for it to go
and bear and that's true by it's not
true by there's always going to be a
whereas the mishna from The fact that he
didn't answer like
doesn't require me to
the fact that oh I'm lacking that enough
is going to be in other words
of exactly how
works his
whether this with regards his
could be really between the magishna and
the mishna the bottom line is And this
very
in terms of how to understand
we discussed it in the context of
bishop.
At first glance, this would seem to be a
huge a huge mus.